Communism

[Anonymous No.15431416]

Prove to me that communism doesn't work without using any boogieman like Stalin

[Anonymous No.15431453]

>>15431416
>having a sandwich with your family
>3 niggers approach, demand that you share the food
>each of your family members take a slice and give it to niggers
>niggers eat happy but want more, they hit you and your family and take your shit
this is called redistribution by commies, fancy word for theft

[Anonymous No.15431493]

Do you like the current government? Of course not, so why would giving them all of your money make them better?

[Anonymous No.15431501]

Laws of Physics

Conservation of Matter

There is a finite amount of food. So how do you decide who gets it?

[Anonymous No.15431521]

>>15431416
Leave your basement and DYOR

[Anonymous No.15431539]

For the same reason why Capitalism doesn't work.
People are not equal, the smart ones ALWAYS come up on top doesn't matter what system you try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Afvt0o3yE

[Anonymous No.15431541]

>>15431501
What if we had a system of trade where people who create value are rewarded with some kind of place holder for economic energy... So those who provide the most value for society are typically rewarded more than those who do not. Sure there will be some who fall between the cracks, either because of their own poor decisions or I suppose some genetic/environmental determinism, but I think it's about as fair as we could get.

[Anonymous No.15431585]

It doesn’t really matter honestly. Because of power vacuums communism is essentially just an autocracy so you’re dependent on the virtuosity of your ruler. Since communists are naturally demagogues its probably going to end badly. Would it be better than the current plutocracy? It would probably be about the same. The best ideology is ethno-national socialism objectively. Also FUCK NIGGERS.

[Anonymous No.15431594]

>>15431541
Value like ...money ?

[Anonymous No.15431605]

case and point, current china/n korea.

[Anonymous No.15431659]

>>15431541
Yeah the rich banker elite that charge interests and fees on everyone and the jews in goverment taking all our sheckles, they are providing so much value, how about the all the Instagram thots and video game streamers. So much value, they are making the world a better place!

The truth is capitalism rid a Jew scheme and it mostly rewards (((them))) and other degenerates at the expense of people who contribute true value.

A system that rewards those who do what’s best for the genetic interests of the nation’s people. That is the only thing that’ll work in our interests and is the final redpill.

[Anonymous No.15431663]

>>15431585

But communism is reached when we don't have leaders and everything is democratic

[Anonymous No.15431689]

>>15431416
Venezuela
Cuba
Soviet Russia
Europe in like 2-10 years
Vietnam 40 years ago compared to today
Hong Kong vs. China

[Anonymous No.15431708]

>>15431663
I don’t care about theory I care about reality. It will always be an autocracy unless you come up with some very clever incentive system or implement it at a small scale. The former I have no reason to believe exists and the latter doesn’t matter really.

[Anonymous No.15431711]

>>15431659
>thinks we're living in a capitalist society
>even manages to name communist central banking
>LITERAL COMMAND CONTROL ECONOMICS

baka

[Anonymous No.15431714]

>>15431416
every ideology is shit, because power corrupts.

I seriously can't wait to be ruled by A.I overlords.

[Anonymous No.15431750]

Central banking does not work.

[Anonymous No.15431774]

>>15431416
Communism is the thieving and looting of wealth generated by productivity. It's knocking over the apple cart to steal an armful of apples.

[Anonymous No.15431800]

>>15431416
It's against human nature.
99.9% of absolute hardcore swj's, communists, socialists ... whatever we call it ...
will become corrupt as soon they are in a position of power. And the 0.1% honest communists will be removed from the play.

[Anonymous No.15431811]

>>15431708
You should care about and learn the theory, communism and autocracy are contradictory.
>>15431714
Look into ETH and the machine (Moloch), by 2030 we are going to be fully ruled by an AI

[Anonymous No.15431829]

>>15431416
The simplest and easiest refute of communism is that nobody ever voluntary chooses to be communist. Outside of the family, where do you ever see communism?

We have at the very least, millions of people who are communist in the West alone. How many of them open their own collectivist businesses? Why can't you find a single collectivist restaurant or store?

Communist is so antithetical to human nature that it only exists when forced upon others. You'd expect something heralded as the most efficient, most creative, most humane form of trade, production and negotiation to be scooped easily, yet it never does

Communism is the equivalent of trying to sell someone a car with square wheels, and when nobody buys it, you put a gun to their head

[OP No.15431844]

>>15431811

Yeah, the theory is basically an utopian democracy. I wonder how will society will work at a large scale without hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.15431850]

>>15431829
>Outside of the family
>implying communism exists within the family

Just because you have people who depend on you doesn't make it communism.

[Anonymous No.15431926]

>>15431416
>prove to me the communism doesn’t work without pointing out the dozens of times it has been tried and didn’t work
Nah bro

[Anonymous No.15431997]

>>15431850
It has similarities because in a family unit you don't redistribute based on economic value. Communism is a mass expansion of the family unit

[Anonymous No.15432009]

>>15431416
in Communsim the government owns everything and guess who would be running the government? The same politicians that run our current governments but with complete control over everything.

[Anonymous No.15432045]

>we can barely run the post office
>this is why you should trust us to control every little nuance of your life

[Anonymous No.15432091]

Communism, socialism and facism only fails due to sanctions by the "free" market.
>muh human rights violation
>muh dictatorship
Look at how stocks plunge with US VS China trade war. Now Imagine a global effort that actively does everything to see your form of government to fail.

[Anonymous No.15432103]

>>15431997
Communism is a mass expansion of the slave class. If you're running your household like a gulag, you're doing it very very wrong.

[Anonymous No.15432142]

>>15431711

This

[Anonymous No.15432253]

DR;NS

[Anonymous No.15432294]

>>15431663
So basically materialist version of jewish eschatology
Mhh we’re definitely gonna have this in 20 years, I can clearly see it happening

[Anonymous No.15432377]

>>15431416
>prove to me that communism doesn't work
>without using any actual examples of communism in the past

[Anonymous No.15432385]

Communism works but it isn’t some utopia. It just gives all power to the states, there will still be some sort of currency but any type of work or business venture will be monitored by the state.

Honestly our current system is fine. It’s much better to sacrifice a few years to the man, to amass dividend stocks to get that constant cash flow later in life to be financially free,

Or you can just go all in crypto but not all will make it to the moon and your only gonna get a lump sum since there’s no dividends.

[Anonymous No.15432407]

You need to enforce that the freeloaders have to produce something for society and the ones with ambitions keep ambitions. The system doesn't allow freeloaders to freeload and ambitious people to fullfills their ambitions. That's why you have to send in the goons and send those people to gulags or kill them on the spot. See: Stalin, Mao, Pol pot and others. Oh sorry, you said no boogie man (although they were just doing what the communist system implies they have to do).

[Anonymous No.15432436]

>>15431689
europe in 2 years please yes

[Anonymous No.15432465]

America will never be communist.

[Anonymous No.15432467]

I don't have to prove anything to you, the burdon f proof is upon you.
But still I reply: because it never did.

[Anonymous No.15432478]

It could work, but only if the government is a fucking computer.

[Anonymous No.15432498]

>>15432478
If only...

[Anonymous No.15432507]

>>15431416
Central planning is impossible to use to price products accurately 100%. In a free market it is supply and demand, but in central planning you can set prices too high or low and destroy inventor or hinder economic growth because people can't afford it

[Anonymous No.15432520]

>>15431416
>Proof
Common sense.

[Anonymous No.15432521]

>>15432507
*inventory

[Anonymous No.15432570]

>>15432507
>free market
Damn, you got to get off that blue pill bro. Let me give you a hint, it doesnt exist

[Anonymous No.15432575]

>>15431416

Basing a society on theft means everyone will want to steal instead of working. Once enough people stop working your society collapses.

[Anonymous No.15432596]

>>15431659

I bet you think the bureau of central planning is capitalist too, goddamn

[Anonymous No.15432626]

>>15431539
Its called survival of the fittest, you know, evolution? The reason why we're here in the 1st place.

[Anonymous No.15432633]

>>15431416
First of all, define what you mean by 'work' in "communism doesn't work." Then define communism, because chances are that you have a completely different definition of what it means compared to Marxist professors and the like, who themselves can't seem to decide on a single definition either. If by 'work' you mean be as productive as possible, and by 'communism' you mean 'forced equality of outcome' ("any situation where people have equal opportunity but differing outcomes is an unjust one because no person is inherently better at something than any other person, and therefore the only way someone could do better than another is by exploitation, so to fix this there must be preventative measures in place to ensure no one gets ahead of another"), then the reason is quite simple: communism does not incentivize anyone to work. There is no reason to compete if you are just going to be seen as an exploiter and have your productive value stripped of you.

>>15431541
Who decides what is valuable? Value is subjective. Both the person who produced the valuable thing and the person who wants whatever the first guy is producing are the ones who gets to decide the value. That is freedom, and that is as fair as you can get. There is inherently no exploitation existent there.

[Anonymous No.15432660]

>>15431659
>the rich banker elite that charge interests and fees on everyone and the jews in goverment taking all our sheckles
>capitalism
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.15432669]

>>15431605
>case and point

[Anonymous No.15432675]

>>15431663
This is so vague. So communism has no rulers? Then how is equality of outcome enforced? If not, then is it really communism?

[Anonymous No.15432689]

>>15431416
This isn't pol you fucking useless
Faggot. If you don’t understand human nature or markets or history just shut the fuck up and go back to your retarded life

[Anonymous No.15432706]

>>15431416
yeah bro not rewarding individuals for their work is such a good system. please implement communist i'll be the first to do jack shit and just ask for gibs in the name of equality

[Anonymous No.15432753]

>>15431663
>But communism is reached when we don't have leaders and everything is democratic

what the fuck is that supposed to mean? How would anything get done? Is everyone supposed to vote on everything? Then we would be spending all day voting on whether Martha down the street gets a new vacuum cleaner or if Steve can move into a new house, it's stupid. Not to mention it would be a mob rule, imagine all the nig nogs in Chicago voting to kill all white ppl in their city lol.

[Anonymous No.15432788]

>>15432706
Communists usually figure that problem out pretty quick after they try to implement it and just start shooting people who don't work.

[Anonymous No.15432809]

>>15431416
>prove to me that communism doesn't work without pointing at every example where it was tried and didn't work

[Anonymous No.15432810]

>>15432103
He means the economics of the family (the distribution of resources) is communist in nature, not the morality. Children are not rewarded for necessarily providing value to the parents, children are rather given resources because they are incapable of acquiring those resources themselves.

Why do you think so many communists act like children? It's because a lot of them were either coddled or neglected and never got the experience they need to sustain themselves (or be mature). So they would rather change the society in which they live (rather than change themselves) in an effort to get their society to provide for them.

[Anonymous No.15432815]

>>15432788
This unironically makes communism worse, because you're forced to work in some shitty factory or whatever the government decides you should do. There is no option to be a creative or start a business or follow your dreams. You're just a mexican until the day you die.

[Anonymous No.15432861]

I will support communism if I get to be the guy that decides on housing.

Me and all my friends will get beach houses in Hawaii while all the incels and losers will get to live in commie block apartments in downtown Chicago and gangbanger roommates.

[Anonymous No.15432875]

>>15432815
>This unironically makes communism worse
No shit. It's national enslavement.

[Anonymous No.15432904]

>>15432091
Sanctions? You mean just withholding goods to an ideology-ridden state is what causes those states to collapse? Wow, then communism must be very weak if it cannot sustain itself without the help of free market imports.

This isn't even true, though. No fully free markets have ever existed, and the closest is late-19th century America and Britain. The US/Venezuela sanctions have nothing to do with the free market simply because there exist vendors in both countries who would like to exchange goods between the two, but cannot, because government interference exists on both sides that prevent that exchange from occurring.

[Anonymous No.15432946]

>>15431659
Spotted the nazbol

[Anonymous No.15432956]

>>15432294
>So basically materialist version of jewish eschatology
I'm always confused as to why people even bother to say this mumbo jumbo crap. You have to know that it makes no sense right? Or if it does, only you and maybe a small number of people understand what these words put together even mean? Are you just trying to look smart? Because that's not what a robust debate is for.

[Anonymous No.15432974]

>>15431416
basedmmunism

[Anonymous No.15432982]

Lol ol at everyone in this thread defending their Jewish masters


Keep defending those bankers wagies and I'm sure one day they will reward your hard work lol. Meanwhile the superior beer has already found the superior economic system that is communism

[Anonymous No.15433024]

>>15432385
>It just gives all power to the states
How is this power fairly distributed? Voting? Then what about the <=49% of the population who did not want that power relegated to where the >=51% voted for it to go?
>there will still be some sort of currency
How do you know? How will it be regulated to ensure no exploitation? If unregulated, can it really be called communism?
>any type of work or business venture will be monitored by the state
How so? Who decides what is exploitation? Why have a business venture if the communist state will seize any extra profits deemed unfair? If there is no seizure of extra profit, can it really be called communism?

[Anonymous No.15433052]

>>15432407
>You need to enforce that the freeloaders have to produce something for society ... The system doesn't allow freeloaders to freeload
Nature enforces that by itself. No communism needed.

[Anonymous No.15433060]

>>15432570
Wow, he said a word, let me just not address his argument at all.

[Anonymous No.15433074]

>>15431416

>Prove to me that communism doesn't work without using any boogieman like Stalin

>San Francisco.

Next challenge please.

[Anonymous No.15433084]

>>15432669
You should probably tell him

[Anonymous No.15433090]

>>15432982
You are an illiterate monkey.

[Anonymous No.15433095]

>>15433074
>San Francisco
>working

[Anonymous No.15433751]

>>15431416
Huterrites.
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