How bad is the economy going to get bros?

[Anonymous No.15253936]

[Anonymous No.15253948]

>>15253936
Buy guns, non perishable food, and water NOW

[Anonymous No.15253957]

Bad enough. And we'll talk about it TOMORROW.

[Anonymous No.15253999]

fucking nothingburger. News cycle has been doing a rain dance praying for economic collapse because muh orange man, market will recover in a week and proceed to moon. SCREEN IT FAGGOTS

[Anonymous No.15254038]

>>15253957
stop yelling you might knock over the economy

[Anonymous No.15254046]

No one knows.

[Anonymous No.15254051]

>>15253999
hmmmmmm you do have nice digits

[Anonymous No.15254122]

>>15253936
It wont.

Once upon a time only big financial players knew that a crash was a good thing, it was basically a sale on every asset possible, leading to massive yields after the crash turned into a boom. I mean the whole Rothschild quote sums it up so perfectly "the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets".

But now, everyone knows that. Every major drop since the end of last year has been followed by a major rally, as people buy up shares on discount. The SP500 has had numerous 2 to 3% drops and then rallies.

People cry about the debt levels, but the fact is there is actually a massive pool of money held by households, companies and financial organizations waiting for a bust. Its been building up for a long time because interest rates have been so low there has been no need to pay off debt. Additionally valuations on the whole market at in line with long term averages, so while some companies are overpriced (Netflix, Apple, ect) the overall market is not.

tldr big finance wants a crash for a sale, everyone else is ruining it for them by buying up assets as they depreciate.

[Anonymous No.15254148]

>>15254122
can someone confirm this anon?

[Anonymous No.15254151]

>>15253999
can't argue with those digits.

[Anonymous No.15254190]

>>15253999
This and checked. Zoom out. It's unironically nothing.

[Anonymous No.15254243]

>>15253936
it's going to be an absolute fucking carnage. empty malls and stores everywhere will be the new norm. degrading quality of basic goods and services. sharp rise in crime and homelessness. consolidation in private security industry and gated communities. the central planners will be taking their mask off and go full soviet style UBI/MMT to prevent riots.

[Anonymous No.15254301]

>>15254243
Debt means nothing if interest rates are near zero. You're turning a mole hill into a mountain.

Additionally there are no major financial instruments like CDOs circulating to overinflated the debt. Derivative based debt investing is pretty much dead ever since 2008.

[Anonymous No.15254302]

>>15254243
So I should invest in ring like Nas? Thanks for the tip

[Anonymous No.15254326]

>>15253936
>How bad is the economy going to get?
All of the doomsayers are just retarded faggots. Year-to-date over the last 8 months, we are up +17%

[Anonymous No.15254345]

>>15253936
>How bad is the economy going to get?
All of the doomsayers are just retarded faggots. Year-to-date over the last 8 months, we are up +17%
See these posts: >>15253999 >>15254190

[Anonymous No.15254372]

>>15254148
I agree.
Before the internet, no one really knew even what we now consider the basics of finance (ex. Buy low sell high).
Because of the internet, everyone now knows and refuses to sell on any dip.

[Anonymous No.15254378]

>>15254345
>j-just keep z-zooming out anons, literally n-nothing..right?

[Anonymous No.15254401]

>>15254378

[Sergey No.15254431]

Not for 8 months.. right when halvening starts

[Anonymous No.15254445]

>>15254378
The SP500 accumulation index recovered from the 2008 crash in 5 years.

Like >>15254372 said. No one cares about dips anymore. Never sell, always buy more, you cant go wrong in the long run.

[Anonymous No.15254454]

>>15254038
why isn't this gif shaking

[Anonymous No.15254488]

>>15253936
takes 22 months on average after yield curve inverts for recession to happen.

[Anonymous No.15254504]

>>15253999
yup. been the trend since december. expect it to roll through into 2020 and then tank when a pro-green-deal dem wins the office

[Anonymous No.15254509]

>>15254488
>takes 22 months on average after yield curve inverts for recession to happen.

By then gold will be at all time highs and then some.

[Anonymous No.15254532]

>>15254488
>An inverted curve means recession!
>Except for all those times it didn't
>But it will in 3, 6, 12, 22, 44, [insert when recession happens for unrelated reasons] months, maybe!
In the entire history of economic theory, no economists could ever predict a recession reliably any morose than a coin flip.

The idea that what has happened, or is happening, will happen again, is one of the most flawed illogical shitty logic ever to grace the world of finance.

An inverted curve means nothing except for people wasting their money on bonds like they always do because they are panicking. There may be a total sharemarket rout caused by fear as speculators flee as they usually do when the wind farts in the wrong direction, but thats fear, and a coin flip chance of happening.

[Anonymous No.15254553]

>>15254038
kek

[Anonymous No.15254563]

>>15254122
That won’t work if the dollar becomes worthless. And behold the dollar is getting more and more debased every year.

[Anonymous No.15254574]

>>15254532
>In the entire history of economic theory, no economists could ever predict a recession reliably any morose than a coin flip.

Gold going parabolic magically for no reason...

[Anonymous No.15254659]

>>15254574
Gold is a speculative "safe haven", when people see the market fall they buy gold, and when it rises it drops. Golds price has been volatile as fuck next to stocks.

But gold is a shit long term investment because it cant compound in any shape or form. You are better off buying stocks and holding them. Buying more when they drop in price.

>>15254563
It wont become worthless because nothing unifies opposites like common advantage. The advantage for example of the entire house of reps being wealthy is that when one is harmed, they are all harmed, and they will ensure their own survival over the rest of the countries. The same principal applies to all nations politicians. They are some of the highest net worth individuals on average with millions in assets across housing, stocks, and private equity. They wont let anything happen to those investments.

They will however, let the economy sink so they can buy more.

[Anonymous No.15254788]

>>15253999
i was about to dump my 5k in btc but i guess ill hold

[Anonymous No.15254819]

>>15254574
debased and goldpilled

[Anonymous No.15254842]

>>15253999

>Record levels of debt
>Manufacturing and home building down
>Retail earnings down
>Fed lowering rates
>precious metals rising
>bond curve inverse
>Tarriffs driving up the cost of imports
>defaults rising

yea everything is fine

[Anonymous No.15254857]

>>15253936
Nothing is going to happen

[Anonymous No.15254890]

Idk Im just gonna hold and stake this stack of ALGO's and get my block rewards

[Anonymous No.15254936]

>>15254563
>That won’t work if the dollar becomes worthless. And behold the dollar is getting more and more debased every year.
Versus?

>Inb4 muh gold or BTC

Yeah no one using that. It's a fiat world whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.15254952]

>>15254842

boogity boogity, sell and leave fag

[Anonymous No.15255047]

>>15253999
Digits confirm the S&P will be 999 EOW.

[Anonymous No.15255053]

>>15254345

Yeah, +17%.. after being down 20%... We are still below the 2018 highs. Seems like US stocks are in a rising wedge right now, if stocks bounce soon we could see ATH but there is like a 90% there will be a stock market bear market at least, if not a recession.

[Anonymous No.15255083]

Bad, but unless you’re close to retirement just hold onto your stocks. The bad times will come to an end and you will be rewarded for your patience like always. Just try to tie up any lose ends with debt if you don’t have a steady job already.

[Anonymous No.15255098]

>>15253936
can someone convince me that the economy is doing bad?

[Anonymous No.15255129]

>>15254842
>>Record levels of debt
Irrelevant interest rates are low
>>Manufacturing and home building down
Neither are down significantly
>>Retail earnings down
Because Trumps dumb trade war, actual economy is fine
>>Fed lowering rates
Makes debt irrelevant
>>precious metals rising
Irrelevant panic base reactionary movement
>>bond curve inverse
Same as above
>>Tarriffs driving up the cost of imports
Again, irrelevant, gone the moment Trump stops being a retard
>>defaults rising
This isnt 2008 and you have no idea what caused that crash. Defaults were necessary but were not led to a economic collapse, it was the CDO market which caused the disaster.

Everything "wrong" with the economy is because people are waiting for Trump to stop being a little retarded bitch and end his trade war. The moment it goes everyone can go back to business and forget this moron was ever in office.

Hes such a fucking moron hes had to hold off on 10% of his tariffs because all his friends came to him telling him he was a moron and that it would hurt their retail sales. Days after saying video games caused all the mass shootings he holds off on the tariffs on video games and consoles because of this.

What a fucking hypocrite jew. Why /pol/ supports the king of jews is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.15255133]

rough times ahead

[Anonymous No.15255163]

>>15255129

>>Record levels of debt
>Irrelevant interest rates are low

Imagine being this fucking retarded. Interest payments bottleneck spending and defaults pile up leading to institutions tightening lending.

[Anonymous No.15255191]

Dow @26.5 EOW

[Anonymous No.15255194]

>>15255129
>t. Keynes

[Anonymous No.15255199]

Money is an illusion

[Anonymous No.15255203]

well the upshot of the impending communist revolution is that most of the people i hate on this dumb board are going to get shot by a firing squad along with me

[Anonymous No.15255205]

>>15255163
Do you even understand how debt works. It doesn't matter if you have a hundred thousand or tens of millions in debt if interest rates are close to zero.

[Anonymous No.15255221]

>>15255205
> It doesn't matter if you have a hundred thousand or tens of millions in debt if interest rates are close to zero.

Yea it further over inflates asset prices making them unobtainable to ordinary people who already have no savings.

[Anonymous No.15255229]

>>15255129

The tariffs are red haring. People are so quick to blame the market drops on ONE thing that happened to happen around the same time. When trump delayed the tariffs, retards bought back into stocks thinking that is what was bringing them down. But it wasn't and now stocks are dropping more.

Stocks have been turned into a ponzi scheme by continual low interest rates which make stocks the only think people can invest in for decent returns. The rich are cashing out right now which is why you're seeing massive IPOs of big companies trying to sell the peak. The bubble is collapsing.

>>15255163

Interest rates are low because there is a lot of deflation due to global trade + expansion of USD share of global reserve currencies. The federal government never spent enough or cut taxes enough to address it so the fed can cut rates very low. The federal debt is just an artifact of the money supply and is nether good or bad by itself.

[Anonymous No.15255240]

>>15253999
FUD cycle

[Anonymous No.15255243]

>>15255221
>Yea it further over inflates asset prices
Oh good you really have no idea then. Valuations are in line with long term averages you absolute moron. Go back to economics 101 because you are literally spurting buzzwords hoping you're right.

[Anonymous No.15255247]

>>15253936
the btc dump from 20k was conditioning the world not to over react to the epic dump we are about to see in the real markets

[Anonymous No.15255269]

>>15255229
>The rich are cashing out right now
God I love the insane fluff /biz/ comes up with.

[Anonymous No.15255271]

>>15255243

Stock performance over the last couple of years has been through stock buy backs fueled by low interest rate loans you mong lol

[Anonymous No.15255352]

>>15254190
kek if you zoom out it's literally the top
kys retard

[Anonymous No.15255371]

boomers and their pensions are going to get rekt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9_bWbrYPKg

unironically the greatest wealth transfer in history is incoming

[Anonymous No.15255528]

>>15255129

You don't understand the relationship between long/short interest rates and the credit cycle at all you goddamn candyass.

[Anonymous No.15255696]

>>15254243
>empty malls and stores everywhere will be the new norm
it's already the norm you fucking retard. it's been the norm since the end of the 2008 recession.

[Anonymous No.15255745]

>>15253999
pls be real I'm financially unprepared

[Anonymous No.15255763]

>>15254842
>corporate debt just a quarter away from defaults starting
>when this happens tons of businesses will begin shutting down
>this in turn will leave hundreds of thousands jobless
>consumer retail debt is the highest its ever been - jobless will default
>bankruptcy will skyrocket
>govt debt going into overdrive - inflating the debt away is just a matter of time
>hyperinflated USD by the end of the 2020s
>a new currency system is created

millions will be dead before this depression is over and crypto will be the ONLY safe store of value

[Anonymous No.15255791]

>>15254936
sounds like the case of the COPE

[Anonymous No.15255880]

>>15254936
over the last 4 years the USD has inflated another 14%
you are fucking retarded.

>on avg fiat currencies only last between 20 and 200 years
there have been THOUSANDS of fiat currencies and every single one of them has failed.
its literally one of the oldest running scams engineered by the jews

[Anonymous No.15255915]

>>15253999

every fucking month. media blows their load on orange man bad here comes recession.

[Anonymous No.15255939]

>>15253999
my gold ID trumps your retarded meme magic

[Anonymous No.15255941]

>>15255880
>there have been THOUSANDS of fiat currencies and every single one of them has failed.
And every person ever born will die, what's your fucking point? None of this shit is real. Dollars, gold, BTC, yen, wampum; it's literally ALL shit we collectively agree to pretend has some magic inherent value at the end of the day.

[Anonymous No.15256029]

>>15255880
>there have been THOUSANDS of fiat currencies and every single one of them has failed.
Then either you think there are no fiat currencies left (in which case you're severely deluded) or you have a weird definition of "failed" which is broad enough to include success!

[Anonymous No.15256125]

>>15255696
Not everyone lives in bumbfuck montana you fucking inbred

[Anonymous No.15256154]

>>15255941
except currency determined by math and algorithms is a lot more sustainable and dependable than human greed and kikery

[Anonymous No.15256164]

>>15253936
Every republican president has had a recession in their first term for the last 100 years, Trump will be no different. The goal is to make assets cheap to squire while while the rich can claim huge losses and not pay taxes for the next few years. Trump goes over this in detail in 2008. It's a smart business move to consolidate.

So how bad will it get? It will be good if you're ready to buy, so for everybody with at least 2 working brain cells it will be great. For you and those like you? Bad, like lose your house bad, but you won't starve to death. You may have to take a second or third job.

[Anonymous No.15256169]

>>15253999
C H E C K E D

[Anonymous No.15256195]

>>15256154
>except currency determined by a government kill switch on the power grid is a lot more sustainable
kek

[Anonymous No.15256209]

>>15256195
>what is decentralization
also, absolutely delusional if you believe any government would do something like that. it would trigger civil war and massive unrest.
imagine being this retarded.

[Anonymous No.15256231]

>>15256209
Have fun broadcasting to your chinese nodes without internet lmao. Yeah imagine that, a whole 3 day long riot until they give up anything for clean water supply.

[Anonymous No.15256235]

>>15253999
Please do keep tying Trump to the economy.

[Anonymous No.15256273]

>>15256231
>thinking the government and the military are homogeneous bodies
you are genuinely retarded. you genuinely have no clue how any sort of civil war scenario would play out in the US.

in any case, crypto would still keep moving on in the rest of the world, while americans have their fun. you literally cannot delete the blockchain. you can disrupt it temporarily, but the blockchain will always be there once people are ready to return. the same can't be said for fiat, the biggest shitcoin of them all.

[Anonymous No.15256280]

>>15256235
how about i tie my dick to your forehead and piss down your cheeks
then tell your mom you posted on 4chan
racist

[Anonymous No.15256376]

>>15255053
We passed the 2018 highs and hit 3000 on SPX lol

[Anonymous No.15256461]

It's going to be biblical.

[Anonymous No.15257216]

>>15256280
stop making homophobic comments you disgusting bigoted homophobic racist nazi. white supremacists like yourself all need to die

[Anonymous No.15257265]

>>15253936
It's going to be so bad op that Americans are going to resort to cannibalism and pedophilia will be the norm. Everyone will directly know 10 people who died brutal deaths and your house might very well burn to to the ground. Civil war will happen and the federal government will nuke a city and drop nerve gas on its own people. It's going to be the worst event in history and humanity might go extinct!

[Anonymous No.15257269]

>>15253936
no, recession, i can personally garuntee it

[Anonymous No.15257357]

>>15256461
Gotta love Denver international airport.

[Anonymous No.15257550]

>>15254936
>Versus?
Versus everything. Ever heard of inflation retard?

[Anonymous No.15257596]

>>15257550
>>15254936
>>15254122
Also depressions are caused then the resources can't be produced into goods and distributed to the people fast enough so there isn't enough to go around.
Stop thinking about finances as some magic number shit on paper and start thinking about what it actually is if you wan't to get a good idea of what is actually important and what isn't .

[Anonymous No.15258118]

>>15253936
If meme digits ittl be Armageddon but you will not only survive. You will thrive but only if you reply to my post.

[Anonymous No.15258244]

>>15253936
Worse than anybody alive has ever seen

[Anonymous No.15258350]

>>15253948
Years ahead of ya, hoss

[Anonymous No.15258507]

all those stock faggots NEVER tell you about japan. just look at a chart that includes the 80s.

that's what's going to happen, a crash and stagflation, just including most of the "west" this time.

[Anonymous No.15258535]

>>15258507
And at this point crypto seems like the only viable option to hedge against. Should also explain the trump tweet, he's trying to keep crypto in the shadows

[Anonymous No.15258565]

>>15254148
He's right. Plenty of shit is undervalued right now. $cgc is like 50% off rn, I think I might buy some.

[Anonymous No.15258599]

>>15253936
Lot’s of people are gonna lose money, and multibillion dollar companies will go bankrupt
But there will be no end of the world. It will just be a global Great Depression.
Anyone sayin “DURR BUY GUNS AND BEANS WORLD GONNA END LMAO” are retards though it might moderately happen in the US because of niggers and wh*te incels

[Anonymous No.15258608]

We are on uncharted territory. Since the 80s we have been kicking the can down the street each time there is a credit crisis, and each time we did that the can got heavier and heavier. In 2008 we were so fucked that we had to use forbidden techniques to kick the can further and now we are in a scenario where we may be fucked if we let it happen, and attempting to kick the can again could end up being a pyrrhic victory.

[Anonymous No.15258742]

>>15253999
It's been months since the last time we talked about this shit. also the media loses alot of money in a market crash so trying to scare investors makes no sense. Your /pol/kike shit makes no logical sense

[Anonymous No.15258806]

>>15254532
>The idea that what has happened, or is happening, will happen again, is one of the most flawed illogical shitty logic ever to grace the world of finance.

Recession will happen again and that is not shitty logic. Or are you saying this time it's different and we'll go up forever?

[Anonymous No.15259013]

What is going to cause the recession though? Small to mid-tier companies profits declined a bit, but nothing worthy of cutting employee hours or mass layoffs. All the rest of the fundamentals seemed to be going alright. I mean they aint great, but they still moving forward.

[Anonymous No.15259046]

>>15253936
>10K market crash
>Fed QEs into oblivion
>Dollar hyperinflates
>Trump defaults on all debt and returns to the gold standard

Then the party really starts anon. Start exercising for the draft now.

[Anonymous No.15259058]

>>15253936
Hopefully it will be a complete meltdown worse than 1929, economy is way too bloated and needs a good reset. Unfortunately, it is more likely to just be a slow and gradual decline over the next 15 years or so with an occasional recession sprinkled in.

[Anonymous No.15259214]

>>15253936

Been hearing this shit since 2011. Still waiting for the "big collapse".

[Anonymous No.15259228]

>>15259214
'Any day now', for an unknown number of days, and then it will happen all of the sudden.

[Anonymous No.15259654]

>>15254122
>>15254372
>>15254445
This might really be THE most absolutely retarded thing I’ve ever seen anyone scribble on this board with a straight face. And I’ve been here since 2017 and experienced the depths of retardation.

I think the essence of your laughably bad idea’s grandness, lies in its simplicity. I am truly impressed that anons have evolved to the point where this degree of brainlessness can be concisely and neatly fit into a few lines on a single post. Bravo, and congrats on this, seriously

[Anonymous No.15260260]

>>15256209
>implying that doesn't happen already

[Anonymous No.15260453]

im not sure if there will be crash or if they'll just keep printing money(quantitative easing) while us peasants slowly bleed to death. normies dont even know what inflation is, so its a lot easy for them this way

[Anonymous No.15261015]

>>15256273
The people couldn't even win the civil war against the yankees with near equal weaponry. You think the plebs that can barely grow its own food stand a fucking chance against the most technologically advanced army in the wolrd? Lmao. You'll be locked up in FEMA camp waiting in line for your daily meal like a little bitch.

[Anonymous No.15261036]

>>15253948
lmfao

[Anonymous No.15261061]

>>15254952
did you get lost on the way to /lgbt/? this is /biz/, we hold bitcoin and ether, not boomer bags

[Anonymous No.15261068]

>>15254532

Tons of people in history have predicted recessions within a 1 year window and have gotten rich from it.

[Anonymous No.15261179]

>>15253936
The truth is we can't know for sure,but can it be an unprecedented disaster? Fuck yes. Back in 2007 the global financial system almost collapsed. Most people think this can't happen again, but where do we really stand now? The impact of the last crisis still hasn't fully unfolded and systemic risks still exist. The current geopolitical situation of the world is noticeably more polarised than it was and many metrics suggest that corporations and individuals are in greater danger than back then. What I'm trying to say is that history changes slowly and the next recession might be both the trigger for and the continuation of a catastrophic consequence of events. It's up to the decision makers to mitigate the damage once the downturn starts, but they don't have many options right now, according to their own word.

[Anonymous No.15261261]

>>15253948

Do this Anons. I'm telling you it's going to get very bad very soon...

[Anonymous No.15261265]

>>15261179
>Back in 2007 the global financial system almost collapsed
What would such a collapse look like? Worse than the Great Depression?

[Anonymous No.15261379]

>>15261265

Credit crunch, indebted corporations that rely on easy credit to make payroll suddenly can't pay their workers, people lose their jobs, can't their bills, rioting in the streets -- PANIC!!!

[Anonymous No.15261414]

>>15261265
It would surely be comparable just considering the social implications.

[Anonymous No.15261572]

>>15261379
so selling riot gear would make a killing?

[Anonymous No.15261780]

>>15254038
A hearty kek

[Anonymous No.15261791]

>>15253948
>now
Huge sell signal

[Anonymous No.15261817]

>>15258118
Rollin