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[Anonymous No.14248804]

Are Nordic countries successful because of socialism or in spite of it?

[Anonymous No.14249077]

>>14248804

It has a lot to do with their culture too, but yes, they are proof that socialism leads to healthier societies and can coexist with private enterprise.

[Anonymous No.14249102]

>>14248804
Socialism works if the majority of your people are willing to work. Most germans for instance are beeing ashamed if the can't get a job and have to take gibs, though the sentiment is beginning to turn over the last two decades.

[Anonymous No.14249116]

>>14248804
it was so successful that they decided to import half of Somalia and that was it. Now it will either turn into a right-wing roll-up-your-sleeves decade long cleanup or it will totally fall apart and become just like the other Somalia.

[Anonymous No.14249119]

If people are good, it doesn't matter what system they have You can put dictatorial tyranny in Nordic countries and it would work out for everybody.

[Anonymous No.14249138]

>>14248804
>>14249077
>>14249102
Social Democracy, NOT democratic SOCIALISM.
I.e = welfare CAPITALISM, there is no nordic socialist country.

Just stop. Please.

[Anonymous No.14249140]

>>14249116
Thats true, the system was so succesful that blue eyed, good willing nordics thought they would be able to cure the whole world.

[Anonymous No.14249165]

>>14248804
it's because they're white

[Anonymous No.14249192]

>>14249165
Whitest on earth, feels good man.

[Anonymous No.14249218]

Does the state own most or all means of production?
Are you allowed to own property?
Are you allowed to be the owner or shareholder of a company?

Then it is not socialism. Plain and simple.
Fucking liberal American millenials. I blame boomer Republicans too for instilling the idea that "ANYTHING GOVT DOES IS STALINISM!!".

[Anonymous No.14249230]

>>14248804
Small, European and (until recently) white countries are always successful regardless of governmental structure.

As they are diluted with mudskins, things will get worse. Look at Sweden.

[Anonymous No.14249244]

>>14249138
Norwegian here. This.
Also, tons of oil for Norway. Swedes have this uncanny asperger-like knack for manufacturing processes (see Volvo, IKEA) which they've built their economy around. Finns are like white celestial chinks, they work hard and play hard with pure good genes giving them very high average IQ. Denmark and Iceland can fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14249250]

>>14249140
Watch the new movie Stockholm, it shows really well what not taking part in world wars while profiting immensely from them then spending that money on increasing the living standard of the average Joe does to people.
And then remember this was in the 70s.

Sympathizing with the one holding a gun to your head is ingrained in them for generations now. Sure they will be afraid, just like any animal, but in the end they will want to befriend and help the "poor soul". Their whole society is one giant collective Stockholm syndrome victim and if there is nobody to hold them hostage, they just import them en masse.

[Anonymous No.14249323]

They are not successful, they are being stolen from. They are subject to among the most fortuitous market conditions in the world owing to geography and demography yet pay over half of their wages to their worthless government while receiving nothing in return that isn't available in many other countries that take less. Norwegians in particular have been taxed so severely over the past 30 years that the government, while maintaining a substantial public debt, has a surplus fund worth over $95,000 (might be EUR equivalent actually) per citizen locked away where they can't touch it. Brainwashed faggot losers lmfao

[Anonymous No.14249338]

>>14249250
It would be awesome if modern Social Democracy didn't come with cuckold in its package.
And it's a very Swede thing, from what I hear other Scandinavian countries are not insane like Sweden.

>>14249138
Underrated. Young Americans think that Norway is a example of Democratic Socialism, but Cuba is actually closer to their theories.
Nordic countries do have high taxes and advanced welfare states, but they also have strong property rights, strong justice and courts and stable governments, all of which are essential in building a healthy Capitalist economy. Not to mention their small populations and high productivity and technological advantages.

[Anonymous No.14249562]

>>14249138
This.
Using nordic countries as an example of socialism is wrong, they are not.

[Anonymous No.14249586]

>>14248804
They were successful because they were 99.9% white.
Social democracy in a mixed country is a death sentence.

[Anonymous No.14249617]

>>14249323
American liberals point to the nordic countries as evidence of socialism's success.

[Anonymous No.14249628]

>>14249323
Norwegians get free healthcare and generous welfare from their publicly owned oil company. I love when Americans talk shit about other countries when they can't even realize what kind of third world shithole they live in.

[Anonymous No.14249667]

>see a bunch of foreign people praising scaninavia on /int/
>make a post and show that my flag is norwegian
>everyone starts screaming cuck, commie, shithole etc suddenly
But why?

[Anonymous No.14249737]

>>14249077
Lutheran ethic and high morale.

[Anonymous No.14249873]

Finn here, this place is a shithole.

[Anonymous No.14249886]

>>14249628
A lot of other european countries have "free healthcare", yet they pay less taxes.

idc how you spin it (im norwegian), taxation is theft.

[Anonymous No.14249908]

>>14249873
I agree but, that nature and family keeps me in here.

[Anonymous No.14250003]

>>14249873
Ever lived abroad for an extended period? It's p ok here, despite the downsides.

Also, needs to repeated ad nauseaum: welfare state =/= socialism. Though our public sector is too extensive.

[Anonymous No.14250112]

>>14249908
Agree, nothing wrong with the nature here, its awesome when the weather isnt shit, its just the people here are fucking absolute trash.

[Anonymous No.14250328]

>>14248804
>capitalistic societies
>democracies
>have some different social policies than the US
huuurrr it's socialism over there
>being THIS fucking stupid
god you are a dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.14250336]

>>14249077
you are stupid as fuck

[Anonymous No.14250339]

>>14249119
Remarkably redpilled and based

[Anonymous No.14250353]

>>14249886
the us taxpayers are paying for the military that protects those western free healthcare societies from sand niggers and commies. those societies don't have to pay the true cost of their defense

[Anonymous No.14250359]

>>14248804
Nordic countries are successful because Nordic people live there.

[Anonymous No.14250387]

>>14250353
Extreme cope
>muh we live like third worlders to protect you all

[Anonymous No.14250406]

What if I told you that Nordic societies are actually not successful?

[Anonymous No.14250441]

>>14249192
Enjoying your stay Mohammed?

[Anonymous No.14250448]

>>14249244
What's wrong with the Danes and the Islanders?

[Anonymous No.14250501]

>>14248804
Scandinavian countries are not truly successful. They're the most highly polluted countries in the world, full of weird crazy people. Denmark, for example, has the world's highest cancer rates and lowest sperm counts. Almost everyone has to live in social government housing.

The system for them was even just barely working when they started importing millions of shitskins.

Nevertheless they'll be praised by the UN and such and be called the "happiest" countries in the world, even though scandinavia is just a sad place with nothing going for it.

[Anonymous No.14250540]

>>14250328
>polmagatards constantly call those countries socialist, all euros are socialists etc
>when the argument is made "why is socialism successful in these countries" suddenly "HUUR THEY ARNT SOCIALIST!!!"
get your shit together

>>14250353
the US taxpayers are paying for the military that makes countless thousands of middle eastern shitskins leave their bombed shit holes for western soil
ftfy

[Anonymous No.14250542]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqrpYbArCI

[Anonymous No.14250543]

>>14248804
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how many fucking times does a mixed economy have to be explained to amerifats

[Anonymous No.14250564]

They have massive amounts of natural resources. Any country can be rich if it has them. Look a Saudi fucking inbred tent dwellers but they are some of the richest people on the planet cause they live on an oil field. Its the same to some degree for these Nordic countries.

[Anonymous No.14250573]

>>14250448
Nothing I guess, they're just not as remarkable.

[Anonymous No.14250578]

>>14249628
>free healthcare
Stop saying that. Also our benefits doesn’t come from Statoil. It’s just a Government Corporation. Our benefits comes mostly from taxes, while retirement benefits come from the Oil Trust Fund

[Anonymous No.14250579]

>>14250353
US taxpayers pay more for healthcare than any other first world country.

[Anonymous No.14250606]

>>14250353
>protects Western countries
>you mean “””protect””” Israel. Helping them acquire more land through attempting to set up puppet states

[Anonymous No.14250609]

>>14250578
Everyone knows "free" in this context means free at point of service and funded through taxes. Usually it's only americans that don't get this.

[Anonymous No.14250651]

>>14250609
I always use universal healthcare because it’s the proper term: everyone is entitled to subsidized(sometimes fully) healthcare funded through taxes. This means everyone has access to healthcare no matter their economic status
Saying free almost sounds like we think it’s free and is not funded by our taxes but other incomes from the government which is not the case

[Anonymous No.14250742]

Nordics have slave like mentality, which results in lutherian works ethics. Maybe this has helped to pass genes through times in extreme enviroment conditions. Socialism is also in nord blood. You can only survive winters by planning and working together. Capitalism is the result of more individualist population which the founding people of USA mostly were.

[Anonymous No.14250840]

>>14250501
What are they doing? Did someone fart?

[Anonymous No.14251059]

>>14248804
>high IQ
>risk takers (unlink chinks) but not too agressive (unlinke blacks)
>protestant work ethics
>christian culture

Nordic countries are successful because they're white.
The redpill is that the economic system (outside of very extreme cases) doesn't matter that much.
For an economy to flourish you need smart, driven and energetic people who are at the same time decently individualistic and not too belligerent.

[Anonymous No.14251087]

>>14250353
>the us taxpayers are paying for the military that protects those western free healthcare societies from sand niggers and commies.

Fucking muttretards, it's the opposite, they pay for wars that encourage all the middle east to migrate here.
The US have been nothing but malevolent toward Europe when it comes to geopolitics, they are scared shitless of an eurasian economic axis that would make America an irrelevant island.

[Anonymous No.14251168]

>>14250840
>pic from finnish bus stop
Personal space, very, very important in finland

[Anonymous No.14251335]

>>14248804
Unrelated, they are successful because of oil.

Related, the socialist policies worked with Nords because they are autistic workaholics.
With the recent 'demographic' shift, the social policies will fail.

[Anonymous No.14251643]

>>14251335
Because of oil? Ok.
Wait, are you the guy who thinks Nordic means Norwegian?

[Anonymous No.14251675]

>>14248804
theyre successful because of white people

[Anonymous No.14251884]

Social democracy built on the template of National socialism is the Nordic way

[Anonymous No.14252031]

>>14250441
la creatura.................................

[Anonymous No.14252059]

>>14251643
Nordic means fag

[Anonymous No.14252088]

>>14251675
No, success is funneled from globalized cities to hillbillies via taxation.

[Anonymous No.14252132]

>>14252088
*stops farming*
oh... now ur dead :((

[Anonymous No.14252234]

>>14250353
>pay for wars against ME countries that don’t submit to Israel
>people from the war-torn ME countries flee to Western countries
>Western countries absorb both military costs of war and welfare costs of refugees

[Anonymous No.14252263]

>>14248804
Socialism only works in homogeneous societies, where you don't have an entire fucking "welfare class".

NAZBOL is the only way to break free of Jewish control.

[Anonymous No.14252272]

>>14250112
What do you mean? People here are awesome

[Anonymous No.14252380]

>>14252272
Voted for far left marxist cabinet just to keep the patriots in the opposition, for example

[Anonymous No.14252571]

>>14252380
So people want to starve and gulags? Good

[Anonymous No.14252809]

>>14248804
Socialism is capitalism. Socialism is organizing society in a way to make capitalism a little less harsh by taking a little money here, and giving it there. But it's still structurally capitalism.

[Anonymous No.14253297]

>>14250328
nice idiotic response dumbfuck. demonstrate that those capitalistic democracies "are socialism" if you can. Having different social policies does not make a country "socialism".
>imagine being as stupid as you

[Anonymous No.14253319]

>>14252809

[Anonymous No.14253330]

>>14252809
THIS, even Burgland is more socialist than capitalist.

[Anonymous No.14253335]

>>14250540
I meant to reply to you not the other chad, so I'll just copy/paste it here for you.
>nice idiotic response dumbfuck. demonstrate that those capitalistic democracies "are socialism" if you can. Having different social policies does not make a country "socialism".
>>imagine being as stupid as you

[Anonymous No.14253352]

>>14252809
THIS, even Burgerland is more socialist than capitalist.

[Anonymous No.14253401]

>>14252809
no it isn't.

[Anonymous No.14253421]

>>14248804
they're succesful because they became rich being capitalistic for a long time before turning socialistic, but it's not going to last forever

[Anonymous No.14253442]

>>14248804
Nordic countries are no more socialistic than germany, france or spain. Similar tax rates and public pie, denmark has higher tax rates of all tho but the whole tax system is a bit different there

Also tax paid public services work only if you dont import people from third world as sweden has done, they have fallen far from top in standard of living compared to other western countries

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

[Anonymous No.14253447]

>>14248804
>Are Nordic countries successful because of socialism or in spite of it?
a socialist country cannot be successful. It's an impossibility. All 'success' is confiscated by the state.

[Anonymous No.14253569]

kek amerimutts weighing in on politics in eu

stay poor and fat

[Anonymous No.14253608]

>>14253569
KEK

[Anonymous No.14253642]

>>14248804
Posting /pol/ threads here should be a permanent IP ban.

If I wanted this circle jerking over whos the most woke, I would browse that garbage dump. Eat shit

[Anonymous No.14254075]

>>14251087
>wars 30 countries away means you need to take in refugees

This is what government worshipers actually believe. European countries like Britain and France openly support US military hegemony because the alternative would be a Chinese or Russian one, they directly benefit from the USA "running tank" on the world stage while playing the victim card and pocketing the savings

https://amp.france24.com/en/20190617-germany-uk-warn-iran-over-uranium-plans-eu-urges-caution

The countries the US invades are a potential military threat-if they pose any at all-to Europe and Jizzrael, not the US; European firms were also the ones that received the majority of oil contracts in post war Iraq

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/business/energy-environment/15iht-srerussia15.html

>When Iraq divided up its oil pie two years ago, the Russian company Lukoil won a slice equivalent to about 10 percent of Iraq’s known reserves.

>It was part of a trend: Five of the six major fields, together representing several million barrels per day of potential output, went to European, Russian and Asian oil companies.

[Anonymous No.14254096]

>>14248804
The Nordic countries are not socialist, they are social democrats. Most of the means of production in these countries are privately owned. It's basically just welfare capitalism.

[Anonymous No.14254355]

>>14248804
>https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/03/20/ed-dutton-with-an-evolutionary-perspective-on-the-rape-of-finland/
the nords will lead the way on dealing with the t*rkroach and sandnigger menace
it's gonna be like the bullied nerd at school walking the hallways with an assault rifle one day

[Anonymous No.14254409]

>>14254355
>muh Swedistan
>muh Muslim rape
Are right-wingers the ultimate NPCs?

[Anonymous No.14254425]

>>14253642
>discussion of economic models does not belong in /biz/
dilate

[Anonymous No.14254477]

>>14254409
if you ignore the past my s 0 y slurping friend you'll be buried in the snow with invaders

[Anonymous No.14254516]

>>14254477
>muh invaders
>muh heritage
>muh past
How original

[Anonymous No.14254551]

>>14254409
>muh browns
Get new lines

[Anonymous No.14254558]

>>14248804
In spite of. Socialism can work but only in small homogenous countries where everyone is relatively equal in terms of values, capability, IQ, etc.

[Anonymous No.14254587]

>>14254409
>>14254516
>quoting worsening trends hoping to trigger an inexistent self-rebuttal
the absolute state of deluded libtards

[Anonymous No.14254600]

>>14254477
In the past, Sweden WERE the invaders. My town still celebrates each year that we fought them back.

[Anonymous No.14254637]

>>14254587
What worsening trends?

[Anonymous No.14254927]

>>14252380
So what? Mestari will win next election after they fuck up literally everything

[Anonymous No.14254950]

>>14250003
I have and Finland is pretty shit except for nature and ok housing prices. If I had no family/friends there, I would probably never even visit. Taxes are insane also

[Anonymous No.14255037]

>>14249244
We give you our oil and you tell us to fuck off?

Ok, keep sucking that Muhammed Swede "manufacturing" dick

[Anonymous No.14255113]

>>14253401
Socialism. Private property of the means of production (wheter private owner or a State), wage labor, a State. This is Capitalism.

There is no clear definition of socialism, however, if socialism is a system were the means of production are owned by the state, that's basically what USSR was. It's shit because is doesn't solve the wage labor problem, nor the fact that production is based on a market (exchange value).

[Anonymous No.14255175]

>>14250336

stop projecting

[Anonymous No.14255981]

>>14249323
>Owing to Geography
>Any Nordic country but Norway and even then all they have is oil and fish
Like the other anon said, hilarious when Americans flaunt how inefficient their education systems are while simultaneously having to wade blindly through the flood of shit that is current America.

[Anonymous No.14256134]

>>14250353
Could you please remind me of then you glorious Americans actually defended anyone? You can't even defend yourselves. Thank you for your sacrifice I guess but the only real reason you are being skinned alive for your money while simultaneously receiving less benefits for it compared to all the other first world countries is that you are just literally too dumb to vote in your own interests. That and that alone. To go back to my question when did America defend anyone else the last time? Don't say WWll you came in to steal the glory at the very end and only to protect your own interests after the Japs took the fight to you out of desperation as the Axis were already losing.

Infact if I remember it correctly the only country to ever use NATOs Article 5 is America themselves so if anything the other countries were called in to protect americas "freedom" to keep being lazy and uneducated. All of this is just well known facts of the world.

[Anonymous No.14256284]

>>14253569
whats it like that far up north ahmed?

[Anonymous No.14256391]

>>14249586
Yeah the fault of social democracy. Niggers and joos dindu absolutely nuffin.

[Anonymous No.14256598]

>>14248804
>>14249077
Socialism worked because the Scandinavian countries were homogeneous, high trust societies that had strong shared cultural values of co-operation/teamwork/protestantism and had natural resources and industry that didn't get flattened during WWII which gave their economies a head start on the larger industrial countries in Europe after the war. Now the countries are no longer homogeneous (demographically, culturally, values), public trust no longer exists, the industry has all been outsourced, the companies have left for countries with a lower tax burden, and people are in more debt than ever. The conditions for successful socialism/social democracy were there in the mid 20th (which is when wages in these countries peaked historically iirc), but those conditions no longer exist and Scandinavian countries' living standard (especially Sweden) are increasingly held up by huge private debt.

[Anonymous No.14257126]

Then you get raped by refugees.

[Anonymous No.14257390]

>>14251059
>christian
Kek

[Anonymous No.14257401]

>>14248804
its a combination.
like both sweden and norway have had ether the capitalists or the social demo. they are basicly capitalism with a social system and unions its a good combination.

[Anonymous No.14257532]

>>14250573
>they're just not as remarkable

As if you wouldn't be poor salted cod niggers if not for oil

[Anonymous No.14257643]

>>14249737
Norwegian here. Literally nobody takes religion seriously. If you want a realistic image of the Norwegian spirit, just imagine a decently wealthy, white and liberal American state, and make every single person a Democrat.

[Anonymous No.14257717]

>>14256598
This, all swefags are bound up by loans. The upper class has also started to fuck their workers in their ass in a very unswedish way. I mean they always fucked them in the ass hard, but now it has a cynical touch to it.

t. swefag wagecuck

[Anonymous No.14258214]

>>14257717
Du borde ha pluggat McDonalds broder..

[Anonymous No.14258524]

>>14258214
NEEEEEEEEEEEJ MAMMA ETT GÄNG AUTISTISKA RASISTER HAR SAGT ATT JAG KAN TJÄNA HUNDRATALS MILJONER PÅ ETT ÅNGVARUMELLANPROGRAM

[Anonymous No.14258985]

>>14254096
>>14249138
>>14250003
>the nordic countries are not socialist except they are socialist

>>14249338
>strong property rights
>high taxes
you have to pick one

[Anonymous No.14259083]

>>14249886
Im a Norwegian, and taxation is needed.
I gladly pay my 46% tax, cause I know i can go to the hospital every fucking day and get a x-ray, medicine or what ever. And if i get fucked by my employer, ill get my money anyway.

[Anonymous No.14259160]

>>14259083
what if you're healthy and take care of yourself? you would rarely see a doctor enough to justify being robbed half your income

[Anonymous No.14259293]

>>14259160
People usualy go to the doctor once a year for a check up. Broken foot or arm? Free. Infection? Free. Your child is getting sick, as every child do? Free. I know ill have a security net IF i get sick without getting in alot of debt, so im fine paying 46% tax.

[Anonymous No.14259338]

>>14259293
It shouldnt cost half your income for a doctor to check your blood pressure once a year

[Anonymous No.14259366]

>>14248804
With their natural resources (in combination with low population) and the work ethic of the population you can try any political regime and still see success. You can have a monkey dictator and they'll still scrape by for a few more decades.

[Anonymous No.14259389]

>>14259293
And you think this justifies a 50% tax LMAO what a cuck. You literally work half the working week to enrich the state.

[Anonymous No.14259417]

>>14259338
The last year my doctor sent me to both an MRI and a CT just to check if things was okay, and it was. In the IS this would have cost $5.000 for the CT and $2.600 for the MRI. Money I would never pay for such, but could have cause a bad outcome.

[Anonymous No.14259430]

god damn it they aren't socialist

[Anonymous No.14259768]

>>14250353
While I agree that a lot of Western European have pussy armies your argument is invalid because you guys are the ones poking the hornets nest most of the time..

[Anonymous No.14260752]

>>14249244
Agreed and thanks from Finland!

[Anonymous No.14260808]

As long as USSR existed
Nordic countries where Socialist, run by Socialist Democratic parties

USSR ded
Sweden is going to absolute shit
Capitalisms taking over
Cant even walk outside at night, gotta fear the subhuman scum
The capitalists imported them, they are cheaper