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[Anonymous No.1411981]

Money making idea:
1:Go to a 2/4 table of nlhe poker or higher, enter with largest stack
2:Be a nit
3:Have 7-8 friends that join the table, when you have hole cards in top 2% give a signal for them to go all in, call it.
4: repeat, and you should have a stack 5-8 times as big as others
5: play TAG and clean up for hours

Obviously more detail can be added, some tables allow you to buy-in half largest stack, it could be considered colluding but really hard to prove..
Other than that I think it could work.

[Anonymous No.1412002]

>>1411981
>"I have friends who would give me free money"

Why dont you just go beg them for money?

[Anonymous No.1412008]

>>1412002
Didn't think I'd have to explain that.. you give them your money to come to the table, then they give the chips to you... get it now?

[Anonymous No.1412068]

>>1411981
>be a nit

You'll get folds all around anytime you play a hand.

>nine handed table
>have eight friends including yourself
>have them literally dump money to you on a card game instead of just literally giving you money

>keep playing TAG

>>1412008
This is extremely fucking stupid, you should just play slots and lose all your money.

[Anonymous No.1412107]

>>1412068
>you should just play slots and lose all your money
Couldn't he just invest in penny stocks?

[Anonymous No.1412119]

>>1412107
he's not losing his money fast enough

[Anonymous No.1412122]

>>1412119
Yeah, I guess.
If you let him loose in Caesar's at 4pm Friday, he'd be broke before he'd technically lost anything when the market opened Monday.

[Anonymous No.1412256]

>>1412068
The nit part is so you don't lose much whilst waiting for friends to join.
They aren't at the table at the same time obviously, they stack you once each and are off. And like I've already said it's my money, my friends are just giving it me in chips. Explain how it's extremely fucking stupid please?

[Anonymous No.1412270]

>>1411981
>he thinks having a stack > max buyin gives him an advantage

Confirmed fish.

[Anonymous No.1412274]

>>1412270
Lol.. ok

[Anonymous No.1412280]

>>1412274
Have you played a single hand of poker in your life?

I have 200.

You have 1000.

You can't bet more than 200. Your extra 800 is completely irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.1412328]

That's collusion and retarded. Besides, the chances of getting all on the same table are really slim.

Here's what I've done:
>play 1/2 at a casino
>friend and I both at same table on opposite ends
>play like total fucking retards heads up against each other
>play well but LAG against anyone else
>eventually tighten up
>shit regs can't adjust
>profit

[Anonymous No.1412335]

>>1412256
what you're saying is this
your friend buys in with your money
you buy in with your money
you lose with your money to your friend who has your money, as well
your friend gives back your money to you

like what the fuck

[Anonymous No.1412337]

>>1412280
Let me preface this by saying that OP's idea is retarded.

However, your statement is true if you have the bankroll to buy back in multiple times. If you're only willing to buy in for one buyin, having a large stack means he can afford to make more retarded and statistically improbable decisions against you, because the one time the cards play out not in your favor you are broken.

[Anonymous No.1412360]

>>1412337
fucking idiot doesn't understand what effective stacks are
having your entire roll on the table is no different than just buying in

[Anonymous No.1412367]

>>1412360
>how much ya got?
>"200"
>raise, 205
>"well i guess i'm all in..."
>not so fast! the bet is 205. call it or fold, pal
>"but i only got 200..."
>guess you have to folding then, buddy, nothin' personnel ;)
>"damn you! if only i had more money on the table! i fold..."

On second thought, this is actually fucking genius OP. Can I get in on this?

[Anonymous No.1412378]

>>1412360
You have a stack of 100
I have a stack 1000000
If i go all in every hand and you call me with only AA i still have like 15% to win or so
Obviously you are going to double up a lot, but you only mned to lose once for me to get your initial 100

That's why the house always wins (apart from the house edge): you can go broke, they can't

Another example i have infinite money and you habe 1 dollar
We play a game where you are 99% to double your your money
Even if you only ever wager 1 dollar you are still going to go broke after a fuckton of bets

[Anonymous No.1412390]

>>1412378
>people don't rebuy

[Anonymous No.1412599]

>>1412335
that isn't what I'm saying, I don't lose money to my friends, they give me the money to increase my stack.
>>1412280
Larger stack is an advantage, the bigger the stack the bigger the advantage. That's why the have a buy in limit in the first place.

[Anonymous No.1412658]

>>1412599
>That's why the have a buy in limit in the first place.

You know absolutely nothing about poker. Care to play me HU? :^)

[Anonymous No.1412708]

>>1412658
Why do they have a buy in limit then?

[Anonymous No.1412757]

>>1412599
>I don't lose money to my friends, they give me the money to increase my stack
If all the other players are your friends playing with your money, then whose monwy are you planning to win?

[Anonymous No.1412771]

>>1412757
I've explained this a few times, they come to the table at different times, give me their stack then leave.

[Anonymous No.1412786]

>>1412771
I don't know much about poker, so forgive my ignorance, but is there a possibility of them losing their/your money to someone else, increasing the wrong guy's stack instead of yours?

[Anonymous No.1412792]

>>1411981

Where is the fish retard? What about the rake? Are you and your friends sitting out waiting with a sit open?

Regulars will notice in about the second this table of randoms and stay and play with you guys until you broke or leave. If you dont play vs regulars ever and just sit around waiting with your 7 friends, the website will kick you out and keep the money.

Also, having a big stack doesnt help you in any way, if you cover vilain, nobody cares if you have x2 or x8

[Anonymous No.1412797]

>>1412771
Lmao have you ever played poker in your life? How much chip stack your opponent has does not matter at all when playing cash games. The only thing that matters is the blinds. Let's say you buyin for $100. Your opponent can push you all in just as easily with $100 as he can with $1000. Chip stack only matters in tournaments where the blinds are being raised periodically. Your "masterplan" is retarded and the only edge it will give you is a psychological on (whoa he has a lot of chips, he must be good!). I would be able to tell in 15 minutes that you didn't get your chip stack from skill.

>be me
>buy in $200 for 2/5 cashgame a few days ago
>have aq suited
>catch queen on flop
>bet 1/2 pot
>LAG with deep chip stack ($1000 chips) has position on me
>reraises me to half my stack
>I would probably let this hand go to a solid TAG
>I push all in on him (I would have just called but I want to make a statement)
>he folds

His move would be more effective if I had $1000 too but I'm pretty much capped at my buyin. $200 is the most I could have lost at that hand.

[Anonymous No.1412799]

>>1412708
Because the game's supposed to be played with 100-200bb stacks. It makes for the most interesting action, shallow poker is just following a boring all-in/fold chart and super deep stacked poker has everyone peddling the nuts.

Consider blackjack:

You're playing at a $100 max blackjack table. You have $50k in front of you, the guy besides you only keeps $100 on the table but rebuys if he goes broke. Who is in a better position to profit?

Poker is the same exact thing. The "max bet" is determined by the player with the SMALLEST stack. If I only have $200 on the table it doesn't matter if you have $100,000,000 the "max bet" is still just $200. The other $99,999,800 is useless, it might as well not even be on the table.

[Anonymous No.1412808]

>>1412799
I understand, thanks. Was just an idea I guess, though wouldn't it work with tournaments do you think?

[Anonymous No.1412878]

>>1412808
Yes. It would give you a clear advantage in tournaments. But you'd be seated randomly so getting an opportunity to dump all your chips to a single person would be difficult and would get you thrown out if it was obvious. You're also fronting the buyins for all your friends so you're making a substantially larger investment than the other players.

If you want to "cheat" poker the best way is just to play online, share hole cards, and induce action.

Theoretically if you controlled 5/6 seats at a PLO game you'd know 20+/52 cards in play at all times. That gives you a tremendous advantage. If you perfected this "skill" you could top lots of opponents who'd destroy you in legitimate games.

[Anonymous No.1412889]

>>1412878

+ the logs will get you fucked. Created accounts at the same time, always playing when you are playing + hand history analysis. You'll get flagged, either by the system or by the players. Also, unless your friends all have a decent level in poker, they'd probably end up losing money on their own, witch would be most of time.

PLO thing is the same problem, unless you play very low stakes it will be flagged very quickly and you'll lose the both bankrolls. If you cash in/cash out only to play, it will only add suspicions. There is no getting around that really, unless you play low stakes but the rake will kill you, not really worth it.

[Anonymous No.1413150]

>>1412367
>effective stack is 200
>dumbass has 2000
>effective stack moves all in
>dumbass moves his 2k stack all in cause he doesn't realize the tell in this

>>1412378
the thing is, the bigger my edge is, the bigger my double ups will
from 100bb to 200bb to 400bb to 800bb instead of
from 100bb to 200bb to 300bb to 400bb

>this is why the house wins in a non house playing game

Confirmed for non poker player.

>>1412797
>buying in for 200 at a 500nl game
>not extracting maximum value from value hands
>bet, not cbet, but bet half pot
>not shoving AQs facing a raise pre with less than 50bb

I can keep going on and on about how horrible you are.

[Anonymous No.1413183]

>>1413150
>buying in for 200 at a 500nl game
I only had $200 on me at the time you dumb nigger. I pulled $300 from ATM and blew $100 on a steak dinner.
>not extracting maximum value from value hands
Like I said, if you had some reading comprehension, I was making a statement you dumb nigger. There was also a flush draw out there.
>bet, not cbet, but bet half pot
I bet half pot knowing he would come over the top you dumb nigger. It was done on purpose to extract maximum value out of him. I do it to trap dumb niggers like you.
>not shoving AQs facing a raise pre with less than 50bb
I wasn't playing a tournament you dumb nigger. It was a cash game. There was no reason to push there. Learn to fucking play.

[Anonymous No.1413256]

>>1413183
>literally defending this horrible strategy
>i knew he was going to come over the top
>he still folds in the end
>not understanding that AQs should always be bet/raised
>he only raises pre with AA

[Anonymous No.1413274]

>>1413256
>not understanding that AQs should always be bet/raised
Ahahahahaha. Are you sure you even know how to play poker? Do you even understand the concepts of trapping an aggressive player? Holy shit its like you have only been playing a month or so and think you're a poker pro. You do realize that I raised preflop and made the continuation bet on the flop right? I never said I didn't raise preflop you dumb nigger. The only reason I made a semi-weak bet on the flop (if you can even call betting half the pot weak) is because I knew there was a pretty high chance he would come over the top and I could push on him. There was a flush draw so it made a call more likely. What the fuck are you going on about? You're smelling an awful lot like salt water right now.

[Anonymous No.1413287]

>>1413274
>trapping an aggressive player
>he still folds in the end

Like, you tried to trap him with a 40bb stack AND HE STILL FOLDS.

You never said you raised pre, either. I'm not sure how you get someone to fold, especially an aggressive player, to your stack after your betting.

Im sure you only raised 3x pre, so the flop pot would be roughly 7.5bb, which you raise 4bb, he raises to 16bb, you shove, he folds... You lost value on that hand, bro.

I've been playing for about four years and it's how I make my living.

[Anonymous No.1413311]

>>1413287
>Like, you tried to trap him with a 40bb stack AND HE STILL FOLDS.
What can I say, LAGs are usually dumbfucks. I was hoping he had a flush draw. The only reason he folded is probably because he had total air.

>You never said you raised pre, either.
I don't know why the fuck you assumed I didnt raise pre. That was a pretty stupid assumption tbqh.

>Im sure you only raised 3x pre, so the flop pot would be roughly 7.5bb, which you raise 4bb, he raises to 16bb, you shove, he folds... You lost value on that hand, bro.
I didn't lose any value. How the hell do you not see that? I have half my chip stack in the pot on the flop if I call. I'm not going anywhere on the turn or river so he's not likely to bluff at it again or call a big bet if he doesn't have anything. I also don't want to let him see his flush without paying out the ass for it. It was a good size pot so I wanted to take it down there.

>I've been playing for about four years and it's how I make my living.

I'm confused by this. You say you have been playing professionally for 4 years but it seems like you don't understand basic concepts. I'm not buying it.

[Anonymous No.1413318]

>>1413311
lags are pros
you're just talking about a loose fish
lag and tag are only to be used for skilled players

you also never said you raised pre, so how am i supposed to assume you raised pre? you did say, though, that you only bet, not a cbet, but a bet. so going off of that, you're a fucking idot.

you had top pair top kicker with a 40bb stack. how you don't get full value is beyond me. then again, why would you bet into an aggressive player instead of letting them bet your hand for you?

[Anonymous No.1413331]

>>1413318
>lags are pros
Nope. No they are not. The majority of LAGs are fish. There are pros that are LAGs but that is far from the norm. LAG just means "loose aggressive", it does not determine their skill level. You may want to read up a bit on poker basics to educate yourself first before discussing poker with people.

>you also never said you raised pre, so how am i supposed to assume you raised pre? you did say, though, that you only bet, not a cbet, but a bet. so going off of that, you're a fucking idot.
Holy shit you're a dumb nigger lmao. I didn't give you all the information. You just filled it in with whatever dumb shit was in your head. You assumed I didnt raise preflop because your a dumbfuck, plain and simple. You also assumed that my bet wasn't a c-bet just because I didn't specifically call it a c-bet. It's ok to think stupid shit but next time maybe keep in your head and not post it.

>you had top pair top kicker with a 40bb stack. how you don't get full value is beyond me. then again, why would you bet into an aggressive player instead of letting them bet your hand for you?
Ahahahahhaha. Holy shit. He did bet for me you dumb nigger. When he reraised me on the pot he pot committed me. That was the only real move he had. Assuming he is bluffing, after that bluff fails, he has to give up, knowing I'm not going anywhere on the turn or river. The next time I bet, its going to be an all in anyways so I figured why not do it on the flop where he might not be totally drawing dead. Fucking hell how many times do I have to explain basic poker to you? Is this a teaching site now?

[Anonymous No.1413341]

>>1413331
>There are pros that are LAGs but that is far from the norm.
>There are LAGs that are pros but that is far from the norm.
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.1413348]

>>1413331
LAG is specifically a term used for skilled players, though. keep up with the times, gramps.

you said you only bet on the flop. if you knew anything of poker, you'd say you cbet, instead, but you didn't, cause you're a fucking fish. i mean everyone who plays poker uses the correct terms. if they donk bet, they say DONK bet.

>being scared of getting drawn out on when you have tptk
>not understanding how ranges work and the likelihood he's holding two suited cards that give him the flush draw
>not understanding how ranges work, still

>if the bluff fails, he has to give up
>i mean there's never, EVER been a triple barrel bluff in the history of poker
>it's physically impossible to do that

you lost so much value bro.

[Anonymous No.1413378]

>>1413348
>LAG is specifically a term used for skilled players, though. keep up with the times, gramps.

No it really isnt you dumb nigger. Please, please learn the fucking basics and people wont think you are so retarded. I'm trying to link you at least 5 sources where you are BTFO but it thinks my post is spam. I'll try again next post.

[Anonymous No.1413380]

>>1413378
lag tag = skilled
deal with it, faggot

[Anonymous No.1413403]

>>1413380
>what is 2 plus 2?
>what is poker strategy dot org?
>what is cardschat dot com?
>what is any fucking poker forum that exists?
Lmfao. All you even have to do is google LAG + fish you dumb nigger. Educate yourself.

[Anonymous No.1413424]

>>1413403
2+2 is a liberal cesspit
>watching ten year old poker videos for current metagame strategy

I bet you're a 10/5 player.

[Anonymous No.1413446]

>>1413424
>implying I go on any of those sites
LOL. I was just using them as proof that LAG does not mean pro. Way to sidestep though you dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.1413473]

>>1413446
>proof
>nigger

Okay, racist.

[Anonymous No.1413500]

>>1413473
I'm racist because you're a nigger? k

[Anonymous No.1413625]

>>1413500

[Anonymous No.1413650]

>>1413625
Shutup nigger.

[Anonymous No.1413658]

>>1413650

[Anonymous No.1414099]

I regret making this thread :/

[Anonymous No.1414127]

[Anonymous No.1414248]

>>1414099
>1 post by this ID

Try gitting gud like me. Busted my ass this month. Every day, five hours. Wake up, turn on PC, open lobby. When tired, movies, articles, and podcasts. I have not go outside one time last month.

[Anonymous No.1414252]

>>1414248
filtered just for the funstake

[Anonymous No.1414253]

>>1414252
and for the nosebleeds

[Anonymous No.1414259]

>>1414248
How do you even survive off of that? Do you live in a 3rd world country? I don't think I can play thousands of hands and make chump change. I just dont have the patience for micro-stakes.

[Anonymous No.1414265]

>>1414259
i dont
i play live and survive off of that. highest ill play online is 25. i play up to 500 live.

[Anonymous No.1414269]

>>1414265
>grinds thousands of hands playing microstakes making literal pennies
>yet makes a living off of playing 500 live
...naw lol

[Anonymous No.1414275]

>>1414269
thats about 15 hours over a month
around 1k hands an hour
thats like one hour every other day

[Anonymous No.1414276]

>>1414248
>I have not go outside one time last month.

>>1414265
>i play live and survive off of that.

Why the fuck do you lie on a Norwegian cruise bartending forum?

[Anonymous No.1414281]

>>1414276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgvgWekV4w

>its impossible to make a living playing live small stakes

[Anonymous No.1414289]

>>1414259
He doesn't. He is full of shit.

>>1414275
You said you play 5 hours a day online you dumb nigger. Also, people don't make a living playing 500nl live and then go home to grind out a dollar here and there. You're such a bad liar.

>>1414276
This. How do you make a living playing live if you dont even go outside you dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.1415141]

>>1414289
>>1414281
Watch this video. You'd see that I was obviously referencing it. Holy shit. The retardation is beyond comprehension.

>people literally never play an hour of online poker ever thats just impossible

>last month i haven't go outside once
>my only weakness is hungry and sleepy
>i am a robot professional poker player

Am I literally talking to the literal FGators?

[Anonymous No.1415228]

>>1415141
Troll detected. Abandon thread.

[Anonymous No.1415390]

>>1415228
He's not a troll. He's just a dumb nigger. And a fish.

[Anonymous No.1415583]

>>1415390

[Anonymous No.1415589]

>>1415583


rapE

RRAAPEEEE!!!!

[Anonymous No.1417463]

>>1415589

WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?!?!

SB: 111 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 13)
BB: 316 BB (VPIP: 32.18, PFR: 26.13, 3Bet Preflop: 16.88, Hands: 472)
UTG: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 17.36, 3Bet Preflop: 12.28, Hands: 1,693)
Hero (CO): 101.5 BB
BTN: 115.5 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 48)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7s Ac
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (11 BB, 2 players) 3c 3h 6s
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn : (21 BB, 2 players) Qs
SB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

River : (41 BB, 2 players) Td
SB bets 19.5 BB, Hero calls 19.5 BB

SB shows Js 9s (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 46%, Flop 27%, Turn 32%)

Hero shows 7s Ac (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 54%, Flop 73%, Turn 68%)

Hero wins 76 BB

[Anonymous No.1418969]

>>1417463
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 106 BB (VPIP: 20.46, PFR: 17.32, 3Bet Preflop: 12.02, Hands: 2,099)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.75, PFR: 13.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 161)
CO: 138 BB (VPIP: 22.95, PFR: 20.11, 3Bet Preflop: 13.99, Hands: 366)
BTN: 269 BB (VPIP: 20.62, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 101)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3h 3s
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) 7c 6h 5c
Hero checks, UTG bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB

Turn : (16 BB, 2 players) 6d
Hero checks, UTG bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

River : (36 BB, 2 players) Js
Hero checks, UTG bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

Hero shows 3h 3s (Two Pair, Sixes and Threes)
(Pre 51%, Flop 44%, Turn 57%)

UTG shows Kc Ac (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 49%, Flop 56%, Turn 43%)

Hero wins 78 BB

[Anonymous No.1419045]

>>1414269
That same guy shows up every poker thread, he's been playing for a few months, is horrible, and has delusions of grandjeur. The first poker thread he developed a "strategy" to open for 8x with AA and nothing on the button, because the blinds might have KK. You can tell he tries to read 2+2 or some other poker site but can't quite understand strategy, only regurgitates some of the lingo.

[Anonymous No.1419060]

>>1419045
They call me "Hero"

CO: 121.5 BB (VPIP: 19.74, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 78)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 186 BB (VPIP: 30.95, PFR: 26.19, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 45)
UTG: 124.5 BB (VPIP: 20.27, PFR: 13.75, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 305)
MP: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 46)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5h 4d
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 5.5 BB

Flop : (16.5 BB, 2 players) 8s Qh 5s
BB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn : (28.5 BB, 2 players) 3h
BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River : (46.5 BB, 2 players) 9d
BB bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

Hero shows 5h 4d (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 37%, Flop 74%, Turn 86%)

BB shows Ac Td (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 63%, Flop 26%, Turn 14%)

Hero wins 82.5 BB

[Anonymous No.1419085]

>>1419060
They call you a calling station that is playing on irrelevant microstakes tables
>but I play 500NL IRL all the time and make a living
There isn't a 2/5 game in the world that you could make a living off unless there's no rake and you are playing against special needs children. If you were making a living playing live you would have moved up to real stakes. Why lie on the internet anonymously?

[Anonymous No.1419162]

>>1419085
>people don't tell the truth online ever: the post

[Anonymous No.1419207]

>>1419162
Many people do. You are not one of them. What you fail to understand is some people on the internet know more than you about a subject, so when you make up stories or say something wrong it is very apparent. You know how you feel when you read OP's post, like "what the fuck this retard has no idea how the game works what does he even think he is accomplishing?"? That's how I and other actual poker players feel when we read your posts.

[Anonymous No.1419225]

>>1419207
It is time to stop posting. You only offer insults.

>muhmmmmm
>someone posted things on the internet THAT I DONT AGREE WITH
>!!!

[Anonymous No.1419410]

you just wish you were as good as me

SB: 133 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 1)
BB: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 71.43, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 40 BB (VPIP: 28.91, PFR: 22.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.10, Hands: 224)
MP: 121 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6h Ah
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB raises to 8.5 BB, BB calls 7.5 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop : (25.5 BB, 3 players) 5h 4s 7s
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 15 BB, fold, BB calls 15 BB

Turn : (55.5 BB, 2 players) 7h
BB checks, Hero bets 76.5 BB and is all-in, BB calls 76.5 BB

River : (208.5 BB, 2 players) Th

BB shows 6c 8c (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 89%, Turn 77%)

Hero shows 6h Ah (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 68%, Flop 11%, Turn 23%)

Hero wins 198.5 BB

[Anonymous No.1419420]

>>1411981
Okay have fun losing all your money to rake while you pay with your friends. Also having a larger stack in a cash game doesn't mean shit unless you're the most skilled person at the table, but even then you only need enough money to cover the largest stack. I'd argue in many cases its actually easier to play with a short stack because its much easier to setup the SPR in such a way that you can effectively play a shove-or-fold game on the flop.

[Anonymous No.1419517]

>>1419225
There is no agreement or disagreement. You are lying about being a professional, there are 0 pros that play the stakes that you are wallowing in, that is a fact. Your play is extremely poor, that is also a fact, every hand you link you make poor mathematical calls that nobody outside of microstakes would make. Nothing I said about you is insulting, unless you consider the truth insulting. Let's look at this hand

>>1419410
The preflop play is OK, I could just as easily see a fold to a 3 bet or 4 bet, really just depends on the table so I won't say it's bad

The flop bet is terrible. Why bet here? Neither player is going to fold anything that's better than your hand. What hands do you get value out of? Just looks like a "well hope I win this hand" bet.

Obviously even you know you made a huge mistake on the turn bet because you were behind. You OVERBET with the worst hand. If the BB had bet and you raised it wouldn't be a bad play, but just open shoving is vomit inducingly bad.

[Anonymous No.1419972]

>>1419517
>you play bad
>i mean seriously
>LOOK AT THAT HAND

>folding to a 3bet when youre IP with a suited ace

I mean, I COULD 4bet. i wanted to take this down on the flop, actually, with a float bet since ya know... 3bettor checked to me on the flop. yeah, i got lucky here. but so did he, flopping a straight cold calling a 3bet oop LOL. also it allows me to stab at low draw heavy boards and have people think im on just a draw and they'll be more inclined to call down with just ace high or even two face cards.

>open shoving
>on the turn

[Anonymous No.1419975]

>>1419410
Every hand you post is so poorly played that I can't even believe you win even in microstakes where there is mostly fish. What's funny is that every single person on here is telling you that you play bad yet you still have convinced yourself somehow that you are a pro. A semi-decent player can absolutely wreck microstakes, but why would they? There is literally no money in it. You aren't even semi-decent. You baaaaarely stay in the green even at the worst possible level playable. You would get absolutely murdered in a real game.

[Anonymous No.1420010]

>>1419975
The thing is, is that after years of playing like this, I'm still playing and winning. Weird, huh? It's like you don't understand post-flop range math and the multitude of decision trees that come along with it and which lines are GTO and which lines are bad.

[Anonymous No.1420020]

>>1420010
>barely winning microstakes
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.1420074]

>>1419972
>I only bet because I was hoping they had nothing and I could win
Wow, great play! But in reality you stacked off to someone who had a good hand and hit a <20%er. Then you share that hand as if it's notable for anything but showing how bad you are?

>>1420010
You've been playing microstakes for YEARS? You are a professional poker player, that plays "up to 25NL", can't move up in stakes in multiple years, and whose hand highlights include overbet shoving into a straight with a flush draw on the turn. Do you really think anyone that is even a remedial poker player will ever believe you? I assume you ended up somewhere like this because you are anonymous, and know that most people on this board don't know anything, does it really make you feel good to feel like you convinced a few 17 year olds trying to learn about bitcoins that you are an actual poker player? I just don't understand why you do it, do you lie about things like this IRL or just on the internet?

[Anonymous No.1420106]

>>1420020
Yeah. I must be SO bad.

>>1420074
>every person that cold calls oop pre is going to flop the straight
>not understanding that i can shove draw heavy boards without a draw now since everyone will think i have a draw and will down much lighter

I've been playing live for years. I started playing a few months before Black Friday, which forced me to play live if I wanted to play at all. I'm not looking to put a bankroll online after that.

>you ran into a straight
>obv that means your bad cause he flopped a straight

Pretty sure the guy who 3bet pre had a better hand than me and laid it down thanks to my float bet.

[Anonymous No.1420142]

>>1420106
>I've been playing live for years.
A few live games doesn't count. Nobody wins consistently at higher stakes and then drops down to grinding microstakes "just for the fuck of it". Either your luck ran out or you were never really winning to begin with. If you are so good, why aren't you playing 1/2 or higher? Real question.

[Anonymous No.1420154]

>>1420142
>he thinks people actually want to grind it out for years and years without ever taking a break

I am in a state right now where the only poker games that exist are the illegal house games that rake like there's no tomorrow. I'm not sure why people go to these games when they know they can't win in the long run, no matter how good they are, thanks to the rake.

Really sucks that poker is still viewed as degenerate gambling.

[Anonymous No.1420161]

>>1420154
Playing microstakes isn't even "taking a break". It's just a total waste of time. You can't even make minimum wage playing at the level you are playing. Again, if you are so good why don't you at least play 1/2 online? I'm not even talking about house games. You talk a big game but put your money where your mouth is.

[Anonymous No.1420163]

>>1420106
>obv that means your bad cause he flopped a straight
You are bad because you made two terrible bets. Either he has a better hand than you and calls (which happened in that exact hand), or he doesn't and you get 0 value. What's going to fold there, 2s? AK? Not a chance above microstakes. It's a massively losing play with your hand no matter what the opponents have. Do you really think after presenting all the evidence of how bad you are and how nonsensical your story is you are somehow going to talk your way out of it and convince the world you are a pro? Come on man, it's just embarrassing, you got caught lying on the internet, big deal, either suck it up or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1420182]

>>1420161
I'm not playing microstakes to play for money...

Though, like I said, I was burned by Black Friday. I know the sites that I play on are losing their traffic thanks to increased legalization (these sites won't be able to continue to operate in legal states) and the other ones that are legal have a very segregated player pool. I also don't want to move to mexico or canada just to play on stars when I can just go to florida or las vegas.

>>1420163
>float betting is bad
>cbetting is bad, especially when your equity improves (even though faggot cold caller had a straight)

Do you think the 3bettor had a better or worse hand than me? Remember, he was the last aggressor, so he should at least be calling any ace high here since his range is going to be AJs+. I got his hand, a better hand, to fold. If he had a polarized 3betting range, then this board would still be something for him to peel off 100% of the time. Anyhow, calling down on the turn with a straight when I could have a boat is also a pretty bad play. After all, I flatted in position.

Why don't you show some hands?

[Anonymous No.1420218]

>only fish bet like this

MP: 83.5 BB (VPIP: 19.04, PFR: 17.68, 3Bet Preflop: 7.04, Hands: 1,076)
CO: 275 BB (VPIP: 22.33, PFR: 20.98, 3Bet Preflop: 15.17, Hands: 451)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.39, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
SB: 125 BB (VPIP: 21.58, PFR: 18.26, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 249)
Hero (BB): 117 BB
UTG: 110 BB (VPIP: 20.32, PFR: 17.15, 3Bet Preflop: 12.04, Hands: 1,952)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Th Kh
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Flop : (18.5 BB, 2 players) Qh 8h 5c
Hero bets 11 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

Turn : (40.5 BB, 2 players) Td
Hero bets 15 BB, BTN raises to 45 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

River : (130.5 BB, 2 players) 6h
Hero checks, BTN bets 35 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 35 BB

BTN shows Kc Qs (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 69%, Flop 62%, Turn 75%)

Hero shows Th Kh (Flush, King High)
(Pre 31%, Flop 38%, Turn 25%)

Hero wins 190.5 BB

[Anonymous No.1420226]

>he doesn't understand that bluffing lots of draws lets you get paid off with your monsters


SB: 105 BB (VPIP: 22.17, PFR: 20.94, 3Bet Preflop: 15.22, Hands: 426)
Hero (BB): 123.5 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 18.61, 3Bet Preflop: 11.83, Hands: 237)
MP: 111 BB (VPIP: 28.16, PFR: 21.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.52, Hands: 467)
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 20.26, PFR: 17.05, 3Bet Preflop: 11.90, Hands: 1,927)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Th Td
fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.5 BB, 2 players) 6c Tc Js
Hero checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, CO calls 11 BB

Turn : (36.5 BB, 2 players) 5s
Hero bets 20 BB, CO calls 20 BB

River : (76.5 BB, 2 players) 6d
Hero bets 30 BB, CO calls 30 BB

Hero shows Th Td (Full House, Tens full of Sixes)
(Pre 0%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)

Hero wins 130 BB

[Anonymous No.1420231]

>oh no
>an ace fell on the flop
>we certainly can't cbet here, someone is sure to have an ace

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.73, PFR: 13.48, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 95)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.15, PFR: 24.06, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 139)
SB: 107 BB (VPIP: 36.25, PFR: 23.75, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 83)
BB: 308 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 10.26, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 40)
Hero (UTG): 169.5 BB
MP: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 19.61, PFR: 13.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 261)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kh Kc
Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 3.5 BB, BB calls 3 BB

Flop : (12 BB, 3 players) 9s Ad 2h
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, SB calls 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB

Turn : (30 BB, 3 players) Ks
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, fold, BB calls 11 BB

River : (52 BB, 2 players) 3c
BB checks, Hero bets 20 BB, BB calls 20 BB

Hero shows Kh Kc (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 0%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)

Hero wins 87.5 BB

[Anonymous No.1420240]

>>1420218
Stop posting microstakes hands, fish.

>oooh I won pennies off of pajeet by coming from behind on the turn to catch a flush on the river
Nobody wants to see that bullshit here you calling station.

[Anonymous No.1420241]

SB: 40 BB (VPIP: 27.37, PFR: 23.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 191)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.86, PFR: 21.71, 3Bet Preflop: 11.59, Hands: 183)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.92, PFR: 10.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
MP: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 20.47, PFR: 17.20, 3Bet Preflop: 11.89, Hands: 1,982)
CO: 275.5 BB (VPIP: 22.88, PFR: 21.40, 3Bet Preflop: 15.92, Hands: 481)
Hero (BTN): 111 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9s As
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Flop : (19 BB, 2 players) 4c Ts 4s
SB bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 39 BB, SB calls 22 BB and is all-in

Turn : (81 BB, 2 players) 5s

River : (81 BB, 2 players) 5c

SB shows Qh Qc (Two Pair, Queens and Fives)
(Pre 68%, Flop 60%, Turn 9%)

Hero shows 9s As (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 40%, Turn 91%)

Hero wins 77 BB

[Anonymous No.1420271]

>>1420218
>>1420226
>>1420231
>>1420241
Who are you trying to impress with these hands? Take this shit to 2+2 and ask them to do a line check on them and most of them will laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.1420272]

>>1420271
obv tryn to impress your mom brah

[Anonymous No.1420343]

It's amazing how many people are so aggro nowadays compared to pre black friday.

Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 36)
SB: 373 BB (VPIP: 64.71, PFR: 38.24, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 35)
BB: 91 BB (VPIP: 31.71, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 42)
UTG: 82.5 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 81)
MP: 202.5 BB (VPIP: 31.70, PFR: 26.03, 3Bet Preflop: 15.82, Hands: 521)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6h 6s
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (9 BB, 3 players) 9d 5h Qd
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn : (29 BB, 2 players) 6d
SB bets 18.5 BB, Hero calls 18.5 BB

River : (66 BB, 2 players) 9s
SB bets 60 BB, Hero calls 60 BB

Hero shows 6h 6s (Full House, Sixes full of Nines)
(Pre 52%, Flop 10%, Turn 100%)

SB shows Th Qs (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 48%, Flop 90%, Turn 0%)

Hero wins 177 BB

[Anonymous No.1420396]

>>1417463
fold pre (1st time), fold flop, fold turn, fold river

>>1418969
turn call is so bad. flop call is v marginal without a club too.

>>1419060
fold pre. fold river

>>1419410
bet way smaller on flop. or just check that is fine too. i would check. the backdoor fd makes it more of a check with these stacks. going to really suck being checkraised here when you bet with this sizing.

betcall turn small with everything here like 40% pot or something. shove is a little silly but it is not such a big deal

>>1420218
checkcall turn. no reason for this kind of sizing ever on this turn. bet big with your good stuff or check the marginal (and some good stuff too obviously)

just shove this river. he has mostly hands that are now marginal, you have some marginal some nuts and there not much money behind, get it all. luckily for you he made a terrible shove anyway.

>>1420226
reraise preflop. shove river what are you doing? in a spot where he is nearly never raising and your range is monsters/bluffs you have to size it so all the money goes in.

>>1420231
check flop. bigger turn+river

>>1420241
do not shove flop he is not folding anything better. he is not bet-folding AK/AQ here with these stacks. just call, you can get away on some turns (K, Q,J) and you can do stuff other than have to shove when you get a favorable turn and he checks. it's actually a big error to shove over his cbet here

>>1420343
just fold flop, it is way too likely he is making some kind of a feeler raise with a weak showdown hand like he has. and you are crushed versus those hands. probably just check flop and give up vs two players too.

shoving the turn here vs a seemingly retarded player also

[Anonymous No.1420659]

>>1420396
>fold getting a good price in a multiway pot with a hand that can flop very well

>turn call is bad
>not understanding post flop ranges

>not understanding polarized opening ranges
>still not understanding post flop ranges

>dont bet bigger with draws
>not building the pot to realize equity

If he check raises me, I shove.

Especially with the turn, I want to bet as big as possible. I don't want to come up on a brick river and have to fold a large amount of bets. (especially when im pot committed)

>not understanding post flop ranges
>"just shove the river"
>after i call, so i dont get called

>he doesn't ever set mine with pocket tens

>he doesn't cbet A flops with pocket kings

>not understanding that vill's stack size is so short there is no use in doing anything other than bully the fuck out of him

>still not understanding post flop ranges
>not understanding that people check people love check raising flush draws
>folding when you're getting 4-1

Methinks you need to learn how to post flop.

[Anonymous No.1420975]

>>1420659
>>not understanding polarized opening ranges

:DDDDDDDD

gl at the tables. funny guy

[Anonymous No.1421002]

>>1420975
>he doesn't understand post flop range equity

I'm going to be moving to Vegas soon with a 30k bankroll. Hopefully I can break 6 figures this year

[Anonymous No.1421010]

>>1421002
vegas and the fucking mirage

might as well aim for 7 figs

good luck.

[Anonymous No.1421039]

>>1421010
thanks
i need all the luck i can get

[Anonymous No.1421057]

>Using terms like LAG and TAG in 2016

Haha, remember only to 3bet AA, KK, QQ and AKs preflop guys.

[Anonymous No.1421064]

>>1411981
Poker players are scum

[Anonymous No.1421168]

>>1421002
Wahahahaha. This fish thinks he is going to go from microstakes online to grinding out Vegas. Lmfao.

[Anonymous No.1421238]

>>1420241
This hand here is the perfect example of why you suck.
>called 3bet with A9s against someone with a low 3bet percentage
>shoved the flop in a spot where the only hands you're getting to fold are Ax hands which there aren't going to be a lot of
>get lucky and hit flush
>post the hand and act like it was skilled

>>1420231
This hand is pretty funny as well. 2 people called your UTG raise so odds are pretty good someone has an Ace here. That being said I don't necessarily dislike the cbet because I think it could possibly go either way, but its pretty obvious you sucked out by hitting the K on the turn.

>>1420343
There was no reason to cbet this flop. Congrats on once again getting lucky and turning the only card that could've saved you.
>>1420218
>Bluff with a draw
>Finally hit the draw and check it
I don't feel like I should explain why this is retarded. Just be glad the guy you were playing against is even worse than you.
>>1420226
Standard. nh