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is it just me or does lightning network seem cumbersome and like more of a band aid than a permanent scaling solution?

what is the solution to the scaling problem?

>> No.14016576

>>14016553
LN is not a sclaing solution... scaling occurs on fucking chain

the solution? you buy the real one

stop being a subhuman low iq idiot

>> No.14016609

>>14016553
cumbersome doesn't mean impossible

>> No.14016650

>>14016576
you don't seem to be aware of the scaling problem.

>> No.14016663

>>14016553
Current real prospects for solving the scaling issue are:
Sharding
Layer 2 stuff.

>> No.14016670

>>14016609
i'm not suggesting that it is impossible, I just worry that adding complexity doesn't help with user adoption.

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>>14016553
>is it just me or does lightning network seem cumbersome and like more of a band aid than a permanent scaling solution?

Yes. It's vaporvare, and unironically meant to mimic the current banking system so they can keep the fiat fraud going - pic related

>what is the solution to the scaling problem?

Bitcoin SV on-chain scaling, like Satoshi told us from the beginning

>> No.14016839

>>14016576
Faketoshi detected

>> No.14017101
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14017101

>>14016839
Cope

>> No.14017152

Bigger blocks are an unsustainable band-aid

>> No.14017471

>>14016826
bsv and bch are extremely vulnerable to 51% attacks.

>> No.14017502

>>14017471
... for now.

>> No.14017517
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>>14016553

>> No.14017551

>>14016553
Unironically Matic & Serenity.

LN is worse than you even suspect. It's what happens when you don't give up on bad ideas.

>> No.14017565

>>14017101
Literally all the scammer has to do is move some of satoshis shares and the entire world will be satisfied.

>> No.14017571

>>14017502
yes. meaning that for now, there is a high chance that you could lose all your money buy holding them.

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14017823

>>14016553

>tfw women would rather kiss a guy whose face is literally rotting off than you

>> No.14017856

>>14017152
No, no they aren't. They are all that's needed to scale. BCH not BSV.

>> No.14018043

>>14017565
He's not here to satisfy incels like you. Use your hand for that, like you are used to.

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>>14017471
Good fucking luck with that

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>>14017565
>shares

>> No.14018788

>>14017823
What's up with her forehead

>> No.14018832

>>14018043
>He's not here to prove it, hes just here to say it
That's how we all know this is the biggest, most committed, and least convincing bluff of all time

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>>14016553
Yeah, state channel projects are pretty much a dead end. There are projects that try to make them a bit more user friendly and stable, like Celer, but its still not really anywhere near close to adoption friendly.

I'm currently thinking white paper related will be the first to make something that can actually be used and has a long term scaling strategy. There is stuff that works RIGHT NOW and works well but has no good way to scale beyond a couple of thousand tx/s, like tendermint/cosmos, or have big tradeoffs like trust POA, like LOOM.

https://www.hubii.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/nahmii-whitepaper.pdf

Necessary attributes of a useful, widely adoptable scaling solution is:
Fast finality
TX/s potential in the tens of millions at least but preferably billions. (a problem to have at the same time as fast finality with plasma variants)
Trustlessness
Predictable fees, extremely small minimum fees.
No need to stay online (hi most state channels) or pay rent for others to store and enforce your balance states for you (hi celer).
Liveness guarantee enforced by non-operator/validator watcher nodes that can trigger and exit of all the 2nd layer's funds to the correct owner addresses on ethereum should the 2nd layer fail.

There's a bunch of other stuff I could probably think of but I'm tired so here you go.