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Reddit here Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:48:42 2019 No.14008509 [Reply] [Original]

Who the fuck is buying SV??

>pajeets
>India
>biztards
>bitconnect
>scam
>etc.

Seriously. I want serious answers. Look at the volume. Look at the chart. Look at the memelines.

Who is buying this shit and pushing it up past BNB?!?!

Use your 4chan autism to figure out why.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:50:03 2019 No.14008524 >>14008509 how about... chink himself while fudding it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:50:06 2019 No.14008525 File: 136 KB, 722x770, 1559686733957.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >corecucks so distraught they come to us for answers KEK

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:51:11 2019 No.14008535 >>14008509 Go back

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:52:42 2019 No.14008547 >>14008509 >I am contacting the Spirits >I see the letters, C and A? >and something something 'twerking' ? >and 'Polish Hookers..' ??? >no, its fading..

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:53:26 2019 No.14008553 >>14008524 thats- thats actually a good theory >delists sv >buy it at the absolute bottom >relist sv at $1000 >users fomo and drive volume on binance >profit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:54:19 2019 No.14008564 File: 3 KB, 113x135, HeadShot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14008553 >he thinks it's a theory

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:55:46 2019 No.14008580 >>14008553 That's the chinkiest thing I've heard this week. ...It's probably true. fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 23:57:42 2019 No.14008599 >>14008509 Calvin is mining BTC and selling it to buy BSV.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 00:01:15 2019 No.14008634

>>14008509
BSV is Bitcoin.

No pyramid like Bconnect.
It got rid of the shady Roger Ver fucker from BConnect.

Run by Satoshi himself Dr.Wright (yeah its really him, you retard).

Wright brings a shitload of Blockchain Tech and Patents his company researched on. One Example: No more retarded addresses like 1BhHdiBslu... but useable ones like "name@domain.com" for accounts.

BSV is fast, and that not because 'its not used' but because it can scale.

There's likely very little integration work to be done by merchants who accept BTC to make them accept BSV because the interfaces are close & similar.

BSV can be used as a currency and cash, does not only lie around like BTC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 00:02:51 2019 No.14008648 >>14008509 Did you ever consider it might be because BSV is the real Bitcorn and Creg is Satoj? The volume you see now is smart money getting in at ground level

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 00:05:58 2019 No.14008673

>>14008648
just imagine having this shit figured out already 2 weeks ago when it was at 50,-.

One day the barrier that currently blinds these BTC Core Cucks will evaporate completely and then the time of extreme early gains is gone. It might still increase heavily then, but the current price, even at 200,- is a fucking joke and laughable. It's like buying Bitcoin in 2011 or 2012.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 00:06:10 2019 No.14008678 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOlvOiGPPio

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 00:13:38 2019 No.14008774 >>14008678 tinfoil hat BS. true & false info mixed together in the vid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 00:44:02 2019 No.14009100 >>14008553 fucking cz

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:00:11 2019 No.14009285 File: 2.79 MB, 3456x4608, IMG20190603144258.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14008509 146 IQ whiteys like me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:02:34 2019 No.14009303 >>14008634 >>14008648 >>14008673 Can you fags actually prove he is satoj? I mean I unironically would go all in if he was. But evidence for years and years is that he is just a scammer faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:05:33 2019 No.14009326 warren buffet to btfo justin sun and his guests before their lunch

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:08:01 2019 No.14009344
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>>14009303
>But evidence for years and years is that he is just a scammer faggot.

>But kvetching by corecuks for years and years is that he is just a scammer faggot.

https://www.yours.org/content/on-the-satoshiness-of-dr-craig-s-wright-6d80f2050fe1

Not proof, but maybe you can understand how an aggregate of information can prove to one without a doubt without the act of signing a tx.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:09:07 2019 No.14009353 >>14009303 we love it that you will get stiffed twice the same year by the same jews >muuuh prove it do you think you're something here, faggot?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:09:19 2019 No.14009356 File: 164 KB, 1000x741, 1559435509142.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14009285 you look tired as fuck bro get some sleep holy shit. hows the hairline?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:10:33 2019 No.14009368 File: 20 KB, 249x249, 79285051.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14008524 >>14008553 S-shit! I should have bought BSV all along! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:10:33 2019 No.14009369

>>14009303
You won't find one single evidence than prove without doubt he is Satoj. Waiting for that one allmighty evidence is a loser mentality. It is the total that proves to me that he is who he says. It is more info about Craig out there than almost anyone else, both valid and fake news. If you start reading about him 2 hours a day, you'll be all in by the end of this month. Oh and then there is his medium blog that contains more oc about bitcoin than any other source.
I you can't take the time to do your own extencive research, you will never make it. Nothing I can write in a post will convince you, you have to convince yourself through your own journey and research

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:11:29 2019 No.14009378 >>14008509 We are not your personal army. Fuck off to where you belong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:13:12 2019 No.14009393 >>14009369 >You won't find any evidence nope

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:15:04 2019 No.14009408 >>14009369 He faked blog posts

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:17:02 2019 No.14009419

The buys are literally done in single long-ass 5 minute green candles.

It's obviously one person/whale just doing it.
They tried to disguise it after those two long-ass green candles by making the green candles smaller and more frequent, BUT if you zoom in, the buys are still obviously done in isolated specific green candles with huge single spikes in volume.

It's obviously Ayre buying all the supply.
Try to ride the wave if you want, but I'm not touching this chart manipulated by a single whale, that's a recipe for disaster on the chart later.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:17:48 2019 No.14009429

>>14009408
You stopped asking questions. Never stop asking questions. Did he really fake it? If not, why do people tell you he did? If yes, why did he do it?

So many questions and so many potential answers, yet only one answer is true to anyone question

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:18:30 2019 No.14009435

>>14009303
this is not evidence what you have seen. this is largely hear-say, interpretation, speculation and laying out things in a way agains him. some of the "evidence" against him is not even originally from hin or could be explained otherwise. there's no smoking gun and people that think he's a scam are convinced of that by just a superficial pile of shit that is thrown at him. i digged deeper and was shocked as i realized that but you need to have that experience yourself, its of no use to convince you here. it also makes a fuckton of sense that he doesnt produce the privat via a "proof of social media". But you need to get WHY he does it (1) he owes u nothing 2) he keeps it private for reasons that are 3) none of your business to know his exact amount of coins 4) proving publicly wouldnt convince people "u stole it from original satosh!" 5) tax & legal problems with authorities, maybe even get sued for all the shit bitcoin has been misused for 6) keeping scammers/fraudsters/criminals away from him 7) proving in court is his only serious option to kill it all)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:20:03 2019 No.14009446 >>14009408 b-but he faked blogposts to suggest he invented 'Bit Coin' PRECISELY TO THROW JOURNALISTS OFF THE TRACK OF THINKING HE INVENTED BITCOIN! >genius, no ? no

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:23:33 2019 No.14009477

>>14009435
>this is largely hear-say,
EVERY FUCKING PIECE OF BS that is offered up by this charlatan as 'proof' is fucking hearsay, the definiton of, or ALREADY PROVEN TO BE STUFF HE HAS ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT FORGING.
Want to know what ISN'T hearsay in Crypto ? Signing. Signing is Proof. Signng isn't hearsay. I guess thats why he CANT FUCKING SIGN THEN, isn't it ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:27:05 2019 No.14009509 >>14008509 >spoonfeed me

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:30:42 2019 No.14009535 Clueless beginners and brainwashed fanboys. All of CW's astroturfing and shilling works.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:35:41 2019 No.14009587
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>>14009477
>he has been caught forging
really? he provided the real documents doing a picture while it's proven that greg forged documents.

check the NSA present

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:43:14 2019 No.14009663

Guys I still want to kill myself. I have known Craig is satoshi since mid-2017, back when everyone here was calling me a stupid fuck. He was supporting BCH at the time, so I went pretty much all in, rode it all the way from $2000 to $100. Then when the BCH-BSV split came I went all in BSV. I had 80 BSV when it was $50. I thought BTC was gonna crash and BSV wasn't moving, so I sold my BSV to short BTC. BTC pumped from $5000 to $9000 and I got liquidated and lost it all. Meanwhile BSV did x5. And now I don't have anything.

What the fuck do I do to not kill myself?

>>	BagholderExtraordinaire !kDjFcJuZkQ Wed Jun 5 01:45:16 2019 No.14009681 niggers in the know know nothing #followbagsy is the best anti-indicator.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:46:05 2019 No.14009686 >>14009663 Take out a loan and go all in. Stay away from leverage though

>>	BagholderExtraordinaire !kDjFcJuZkQ Wed Jun 5 01:47:19 2019 No.14009702 >>14009663 you should probably kill your self, but since your such a failure already you can't do that well either.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:49:21 2019 No.14009723

>>14009303
>I mean I unironically would go all in if he was
Really?

If CSW is Satoshi, all that would do is make me lose respect for Satoshi.
I still would not switch to BSV.

If BSV manages to overthrow BTC, I would unironically cash out of crypto and never look back.

To me BTC is the world experiment on whether crypto can be a store-of-value like gold. Unfreezeable unseizeable assets are a huge market, just look at the Panama papers or gold's marketcap. If it proves to be obsoleteable like any other technology, like Friendster/Myspace, or proves to be susceptible to things like fake news campaigns, then to me, crypto as a whole has failed to prove it can be a store-of-value.

I'm sure lots of big money and institutional money is thinking the same. It's either BTC makes it, or it doesn't and crypto proves that it is obsoleteable and not reliable as a store-of-value.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:50:44 2019 No.14009735 >>14009663 Just realize that it's only money, stop gambling, and find something else in your life to make you feel fulfilled. The money will follow eventually, don't try to chase your ath.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:52:40 2019 No.14009755 >>14009477 dense faggots like you are the reason why he chooses to produce in court. let that sink in. /saged

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:53:23 2019 No.14009759

>>14009723
>To me BTC is the world experiment on whether crypto can be a store-of-value like gold.

BTC was not supposed to be a store-of-value you fuck, it was supposed to be peer-to-peer electronic cash. Gold is a store-of-value because it has uses, if BTC has zero use because of its congestion and high fees then the only value it stores on the long run is $0.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:55:09 2019 No.14009776

>>14009723
This makes holding all the more simple and easy. If bitcoin cannot stand this attack, and come out unfazed, then crypto itself is dead. It is the only truly decentralized crypto. There is no face. There is no figurehead—only a man claiming to be without proof. If bitcoin is thrown aside by something as meager as this...then it deserves to die, and along with it, crypto loses the very essence of what it was intended for.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:55:19 2019 No.14009777 >>14009735 Yea it's only money, money that would have saved me from 40 years of wagecucking, which for some reason I find incredibly hard to find any fulfilment in, I'd rather die than have to endure this slow death of the soul and of the spirit.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:55:35 2019 No.14009781

>>14009723
1)bsv is better tech-wise than btc
2)plus they have the legal angle through Craig being Satoshi
3) brc loses official status of being a piece of history/the original bitcoin

you have to understand:
its of no fucking interest if you "like" the man or not. this is totally irrelevant you stupid socialist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:56:41 2019 No.14009789 >>14009759 >not a store-of-value Then why would big money and institutional money ever buy into crypto. If it isn't that, then they wouldn't care to buy in, and we can all just be content with bitcoin trading at $1000 forever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 01:59:53 2019 No.14009814 File: 115 KB, 500x282, Stiffed_Vision.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14008509 >Who the fuck is buying SV?? Elite

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:00:42 2019 No.14009819

>>14009776
Based

>>14009781
As I said, if a better tech can overthrow BTC, even if it was ETH or XRP, even if there was no Craig in the equation, this means crypto has failed the test of being a store-of-value.

It only goes to show, crypto is obsoleteable.
Gold will never be replaced.
But even if BSV wins or some other coin, it is still not a reliable store-of-value, as the history of BTC being overthrown will forever loom crypto as being obsoleteable tech.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:04:22 2019 No.14009842

>>14009789
>Then why would big money and institutional money ever buy into crypto.
They're not buying crypto, they want to take your money, they don't want you to take theirs. Early adopters have collectively millions of BTC, why would institutional money pump their bags to get dumped on? BTC pumps because it is manipulated by these early adopters, it's a ponzi scheme, they pump it with hundreds of millions of fake tethers and attempt to make retail fomo in, then they dump on retail, that's what has been going on for years and that's all that's been going on, not institutional money entering. If they build crypto services it's to take fees from you, not to pump your bags with their money.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:15:02 2019 No.14009916

>>14009842
So if it is all a Ponzi scheme why even ever buy into it?
All your post is is a conspiracy theory.
It applies even to the stock market, or any market.
>Why would they ever buy stocks, all they want is to take the retail investor's money
>They pump it by buying such assets during Quantitative Easing using printed fiat

When put that way, that makes a store-of-value even more important when everything falls apart and the next recession hits. People will have their value stored in assets real estate, gold...

But as I said, crypto is still proving its worth in that field. And if BSV wins, then you are right, even your precious BSV is nothing but a Ponzi scheme that will fall along everything else, and not hold value like real assets like gold or real estate.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:15:16 2019 No.14009922

BTC will be abandoned by next year, Craig will dump his 1 million BTC, and whales will probably offload their bags beforehand, this is the last BTC pump you will ever see, it might pump some more in the next few months and then it's over, don't be the one left holding worthless tokens. It will soon be perfectly clear that this is no store-of-value.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:16:21 2019 No.14009930 >reddit here You have to go back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:16:34 2019 No.14009934 >>14009922 Then ALL of crypto will not be a store-of-value. He might as well also dump his BSV bags, because those are also gonna crash along with it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:21:16 2019 No.14009954

>>14009916
>It applies even to the stock market, or any market.

Indeed it does, and in the stock market they're pumping their bags, your bags might get pumped temporarily but then they dump on you. Markets are a way to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

>But as I said, crypto is still proving its worth in that field. And if BSV wins, then you are right, even your precious BSV is nothing but a Ponzi scheme

The difference is BSV is meant to work as peer-to-peer electronic cash and more, the very thing that BTC was meant to be in the first place before it was subverted, BSV will have plenty of uses, that's what gives it value, when people buy it to use it, not when they buy it waiting for the price to go up, because then at some point there is no greater fool and it all comes crashing down.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:23:46 2019 No.14009970 >>14009777 What's your handcash handle?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:24:37 2019 No.14009976 >>14008553 That chink fuck! He won't list it again though. FAR too prideful for that. The only way it happens is if CZ is removed by a board or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:25:14 2019 No.14009983 >>14008599 Calvin isn't mining billions worth of btc a day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:25:47 2019 No.14009987 File: 876 KB, 868x1204, 1559536838618.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14009922 Based trip dubs Do the needful.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:27:15 2019 No.14009998 >>14009983 >Calvin isn't mining billions worth of btc a day. Except he literally is. Where the hell have you been the past week. Under a stone? Read this thread >>14009280

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:27:39 2019 No.14010004 >>14009970 I don't have one

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:32:11 2019 No.14010033

>>14009954
Who really even cares about peer-to-peer electronic cash?
Is that even a market?
I don't see Visa, Mastetcard, PayPal, or even fiat being easily overthrown in that regard.
This is solving a problem that isn't even there.

As I said earlier, the HUGE market is unseizeable unfreezeable accounts, the Panama papers and gold's marketcap clearly shows that.

I mean, your responses seem to be just copy-pasted from the BSV shill handbook. Doesn't even answer any of my points.

And you're wasting your time shilling to me, I have equal amounts of BTC, BCH, and BSV (and BTG, Bitcoin diamond, Super Bitcoin etc) because I can't be arsed to get my forks from my cold storage and redo my backups.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:33:42 2019 No.14010050 >>14008509 I'm a white American in the midwest, and my entire crypto stack is BSV. As usual, OP is a faggot.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:33:56 2019 No.14010051
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Imagine having 1m bitcoins and trying to destroy bitcoin. This aren’t make sense. Why would you create a direct competitor to the 7.8 billion dollar asset you possess?

Unless you didn’t actually possess that asset...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:35:53 2019 No.14010065 >>14010051 Or he is satoj and care more about fulfilling his original vision for bitcoin than the money

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:36:21 2019 No.14010066 >>14009723 >Bernie or bust

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:37:03 2019 No.14010071 >>14010065 Fulfill original vision by deviating from original vision. By adding in measures that allow him to “hand the keys overnight to authorities”. I aren’t red that in bitcoin white pppr

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:38:06 2019 No.14010079 >>14010071 Over** not overnight.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:39:51 2019 No.14010092 >>14010071 >by deviating from original vision This you'll have to explain

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:46:33 2019 No.14010157

>>14010033
>Who really even cares about peer-to-peer electronic cash?
People who want to control their money, be able to send it and receive it from whoever they want, almost instantly, with low fees, without seeing their buying power dilute because some central entity has decided to inflate the currency out of thin air?

>the HUGE market is unseizeable unfreezeable accounts
Did you know law enforcement have advanced tools to track BTC transactions? It's all written forever on the ledger, they might not force you to give them your private key, but they can effectively prevent you from being able to use that money by identifying you and arresting you if you do. Which amounts to freezing your account.

>And you're wasting your time shilling to me
Shilling my non-existent bags? I'm broke, I lost it all, I explained it, I'm just countering the bullshit I see, that temporarily puts my mind off wanting to kill myself.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:50:49 2019 No.14010188

>>14010092
The philosophy and demeanor of Satoshi and that of CW are so insanely opposite, it’s not even funny. If Craig doesn’t want the money, why is he gobbling up smaller tech patents and muscling people out of the crypto space? Why is he aligned with a wealthy investor? Why is he flying in a private jet sipping champagne? Why does he wave a massive ego around now? People will say he’s just throwing us off the trail or misleading purposefully. I say—if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It’s a duck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:54:23 2019 No.14010220 >>14009819 >BTC being overthrown will forever loom crypto as being obsoleteable tech. BTC changed the tech. BSV is literally going back to 0.1.0 to set the protocol in stone as intended. To be a sound money system the protocol cannot change. Fuck BTC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:55:29 2019 No.14010231 >>14010220 Crypto takes a massive hit if btc is dethroned. Like it or not, public opinion matters, and it’s already shaky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 02:59:05 2019 No.14010264 >>14009998 >Except he literally is There aren't even a billion worth if btc mined in a day by all miners.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:00:29 2019 No.14010274 >>14010071 >hand the keys overnight to authorities In what way?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:02:04 2019 No.14010290 >>14010231 I literally don't care. Core and Blockstream set us back 5 years with the shit they pulled on Bitcoin. The stuff we're seeing out of SV today should have already happened years ago.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:02:55 2019 No.14010298

>>14010274
Shit man, didn’t you watch his talk at the Toronto conference? He had a pretty lengthy breakdown as to how in his “Satoshi vision” people would no longer get away with the shit that’s going on with regards to darkweb activity. Shouldn’t be hard to find a vod

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:03:44 2019 No.14010308

>>14010231
That might be my only hope to get BSV at $50 again, unless everything crashes to oblivion except for BSV. If Craig dumps 1 million BTC and buy BSV with it it won't crash. But people will learn that most cryptos were a ponzi scheme manipulated by early adopters, Tether will get shut down eventually, however once it is proven in court that Craig created bitcoin BSV might be the only one that retains legitimacy in the public eye. They'll make a movie about this at some point.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:04:53 2019 No.14010324

>>14010290
Hey everyone—I know you’re all burned over this whole bitcoin thing. Yeah—yeah...it was a big mess. It cost a lot of people a lot of money, I know.

Well the good news is—there’s a new bitcoin! It’s got all the fixes in place. And the best part? It’s made by the same guy!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:07:55 2019 No.14010341 >>14010298 Law enforcement can trace transactions on the blockchain, but they can't ever get your private key unless you give it to them or you have poor security. But effectively if you do illegal shit they can prevent you from doing it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:09:49 2019 No.14010356
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>>14010157
>People who want to control their money, be able to send it and receive it from whoever they want
EXACTLY what I was talking about...
>I'm broke, I lost it all
...and as a poorfag, something YOU can't possibly understand.

I have several online stores, and a few local businesses I gave my mom (a rental space and a laundromat). I've made enough money to be set for life, several times.

Pic related.

I've had my share of headaches with the traditional banking system.

PayPal freezes my account like twice a year to ask for documents such as proof of non-US citizenship (or some US tax document if Iam a US citizen), and regularly asks for documentation like identity and proof of address, because I keep breaking set thresholds.

I've tried to deposit $5000 in cash from our local businesses, the teller called the manager, who pulled me aside and questioned me for like half an hour like I was some drug dealer because I dress like shit, wearing 10 year old clothes and flip-flops

I've had the bank call me continuously for a month like everyday threatening to freeze my account when I withdrew $20,000 from my PayPal account into my bank account. I had to send them reports of my daily sales, even the complete list of individual transactions of each customer exported from PayPal, and business documents, before they were satisfied with the "income source".

I have MORE bank and PayPal horror stories.
Something a poorfag has no experience with.

You know what I want?
I want a STORE-OF-VALUE that us unfreezable and unseizable.

NOT "electronic cash" poorfags can use to buy coffee, but something that will allow me to transfer hundreds of thousands of dollars without oversight, and actually STORE that value.

I don't care if it isn't instant or the fees aren't low, the STORE-OF-VALUE part is the most important.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:11:35 2019 No.14010367 >>14010220 Institutional money looking for a store-of-value does not care about the tech. Gold has no "tech". If crypto is not a reliable store-of-value and can be replaced with "better tech" ala Myspace, institutional money will never touch it again.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:12:04 2019 No.14010375

>>14010298
>crime is good

I don't see the issue. The petty crime you pull off with your shit head friends wouldn't even register. The criminal networks that Bitcoin brings down are THE criminals. Bankers, government bureaucrats, extortionists, frauds, etc. Bitcoin keeps all participants honest and in an honest game Jews lose. We can't even imagine what a government forced to play an honest game would look like entirely.

If you want a world of crime, stick with Monero. You might be able to shoot your drugs, but your government can also hide the bodies so to speak with something like Monero.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:12:14 2019 No.14010380 >>14010033 This, I already said in another thread I have no interest in using crypto beyond an investment class, I will not use crypto until my financial institutions require me to, like the chip on my debit card. This is the majority's mindset.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:13:21 2019 No.14010389 Literal Chink fake news made it pump Now the cult of Sanjay shills it here

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:13:58 2019 No.14010392 >>14010375 Think you missed my point. I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. Craig seems to have a blurred vision.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:16:21 2019 No.14010409 >>14010188 you should learn, when you grow up, that people in real-life are multi-facetted and not dead end one-dimensional as hollywood and the media subliminally suggest 24/7/365.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:17:17 2019 No.14010417

>>14010367
>store-of-value
This meme means nothing if the ledger the commodity is based on is completely unusable and made that way by developer teams. Crying about the original protocol coming back online with a vengeance and utility will get you absolutely no where.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:18:16 2019 No.14010424 >>14010409 Thanks. I’ll continue to leverage simply childlike logic in solving the case of “why isn’t the homosexual Australian sociopath actually the inventor of bitcoin”

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:20:00 2019 No.14010436 >>14010409 Hitler was largely a nice, caring and loving person too but you don't hear that. If you think this comparison is offensive or even a joke you are a prime example of successful brainwashing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:25:24 2019 No.14010474 >>14010436 Satoshi or not, that’s no longer the issue at hand. The way he’s conducting himself goes against a lot of what made bitcoin appealing to many of us in the first place. He’s playing a very short sighted game.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:28:16 2019 No.14010498

>>14010417
>>store-of-value
>This meme
As I said in my post here >>14010356
Only poorfags don't understand the need for an unseizable unfreezeable store-of-value and would call it a meme.

Dealing with moderately large amounts (several thousand dollars with banks in single transactions, or just several hundreds of dollars if with PayPal) and you'll INSTANTLY feel all the limits, and required paperwork and verification for purposes like "anti-money laundering".

> completely unusable
And as I said in my post here >>14010356

As someone who isn't a poorfag and actually has value to store:
You know what I want?
I want a STORE-OF-VALUE that is unfreezable and unseizable.

NOT "electronic cash" poorfags can use to buy coffee, but something that will allow me to transfer hundreds of thousands of dollars without oversight, and actually STORE that value.

I don't care if it isn't instant or the fees aren't low, the STORE-OF-VALUE part is the most important.

And if BTC is overthrown, then crypto is permanently off the table as an option.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:28:22 2019 No.14010499 >>14010389 This is true, but it's going to pump again before this is over.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:29:00 2019 No.14010505

>>14010356
Happy for you.

You're set for life, and yet you don't understand what you're putting your money in.

99.99% of people don't care what you want, because they don't have your problems. Bitcoin wasn't made to solve problems that 0.01% of people share with you, it was made for everyone. Having a currency that can't be inflated by a central bank is for everyone. Otherwise people are at risk of facing what's happening in Venezuela.

Again, your bitcoin account is effectively freezable by law enforcement, because your transactions can be tracked, and if you do something they don't want you to do they can arrest you.

You keep saying it's a STORE-OF-VALUE, have you looked at the chart? Went from $1 to $1000 to $100 to $20000 to $3000 to $9000 and it's probably gonna go back under $1000 by the end of the year. You like BTC because you made money with it, but when its price goes below the price you bought BTC at suddenly you will stop seeing it as a store-of-value. It can't store value if no one uses it except for speculation. You're delusional.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:30:47 2019 No.14010520 >>14008509 Mainly Calvin and his friends getting scammed by him

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:33:15 2019 No.14010547 >>14010505 Hello, 1739jsbnsu73hjdjsue? This is the FBI! Tell us your location at once!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:37:24 2019 No.14010574 >>14008509 >Who the fuck is buying SV?? Coingeek which is working for the gov is buying it to pump the price.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:41:16 2019 No.14010609

>>14010547
Oh, 1739jsbnsu73hjdjsue has been involved in illegal activities and we see that 1739jsbnsu73hjdjsue sent money to 3xbgtk559302kdfnka which is associated with a known physical store, let's contact the store owner and ask him who bought what recently, then let's go put 1739jsbnsu73hjdjsue behind bars.

1739jsbnsu73hjdjsue may hide his tracks for a while, but one single mistake and he is done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:44:38 2019 No.14010631 >>14010609 I understand the idea behind the ledger. But it’s the best option presently.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:48:02 2019 No.14010657 >>14010498 Are you angry because you're in denial your useless shitcoin is losing value to a scalable unlimited Bitcoin?

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:48:58 2019 No.14010663

>>14010505
99.99% of the people don't really matter in the market.

It's the 0.01%, the ones who hold 99% of the money in the world, the institutional money, that matters in the market.

And I bought in back when BTC was $1000, with 5% of my net worth. As they said, don't put in money into crypto that you can't afford to lose.

That had ballooned to 30% of my net worth now (it was more than 50% at the bubble peak) but I never really cared about cashing it out. As I said, I have all forks, BCH BSV etc.
It's untouched in cold storage.

It cannot be a store-of-value now with such a tiny marketcap ($140B). It needs a larger marketcap to be more stable, so that even large whale moves will only cause small price movement.

Gold's marketcap is $8T, at that point we may get a similar price stability. That would put BTC at more than $300k each.
So it is a VERY LONG way to go.
If BTC is overthrown before then, then crypto has proven that it will never achieve a similar store-of-value as gold.

And I've spent large amounts of BTC and it was frictionless. No law enforcement went after me because I wasn't doing anything illegal. BUT I didn't get threatened to get my accounts frozen and have to provide paperwork for my source of income or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:51:01 2019 No.14010674 >>14010663 If you control the wallet. The keys. The coin. Who’s freezing your account?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:52:19 2019 No.14010681 >>14010663 >If BTC is overthrown before then, then crypto has proven that it will never achieve a similar store-of-value as gold. Your opinion is complete shit tho.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:54:06 2019 No.14010691

>>14010657
I'm not angry at all.
Did you even read my posts?
I have ALL forks, BCH BSV BTG bitcoin diamond etc
Because I can't be arsed to redo the backups of my cold storage

So I am not here to defend "my useless shitcoin".

But I don't care, if BTC is overthrown, I am selling it ALL, BTC BCH and ALSO, my BSV.

Because if BTC is overthrown, even if it was overthrown by a completely different coin like ETH or XRP, it shows that crypto can be obsoleted lile Friendster/Myspace, and so it is NOT a reliable store-of-value.

You BSV shills cannot seem to grasp this concept.
You act like it has to be one camp or another, can't even see the possibility that someone who accidentally ended up holding both (because forks are free) is looking at it from a perspective where I don't care about taking sides.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:54:22 2019 No.14010693

>>14010674
What is blacklisting? How are you going to spend your bitcoin when every single store has blacklisted your money because the government told them to because your address is connected to crime? And now they even know where you're located. Stop being a fucking brainlet and think

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:56:40 2019 No.14010712

>>14010681
You have provided no actual arguments.
All you did was call me angry here >>14010657
And call my opinion shit now.

Well, my opinion is obviously made from the perspective of someone who has money, and holds BOTH BTC and BSV (and even BCH) so I'm completely unbiased.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:58:00 2019 No.14010719 >>14010712 That's all well and fine, but you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:59:19 2019 No.14010729

>>14010691
>f BTC is overthrown, even if it was overthrown by a completely different coin like ETH or XRP
Spoiler alert: it will be overthrown, if only because it's technologically unable to meet the public's requirements, and cannot be upgraded enough to meet them because of the cult of personality that has been built up around satoshi, with morons like all of blockstream who think it's a sacrilege to even change the block size, let alone trying an entirely different consensus method...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 03:59:29 2019 No.14010730 >>14010719 >Projecting

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:06:06 2019 No.14010782

>>14010729
I mean, if BTC has really been hijacked by Blockstream, then it is no longer decentralized and governments can command them to add KYC AML etc.

At that point, as I said, I am cashing out of crypto completely, because if even crypto#1 can be hijacked, then let's say CSW is Satoshi and BSV becomes #1, what stops a state-level actor from assassinating him and taking control of BSV by seizing nChain?

This is why I said that if BTC fails, crypto the world experiment has failed. It is just another state-controlled bank at that point.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:06:19 2019 No.14010784

>>14010663
What you don't get is why the hell would institutional money buy BTC?

The early adopters are moving the market, not institutional money, why would they spend billions to pump their bags?

Some funds are buying a bit of BTC, "just in case".

Now ask yourself, why did people buy BTC in the first place? Because they could use it to send money to each other, because it was USABLE. Then the early adopters who had a lot of BTC realized hey, we can pump the price artificially to make people fomo in. And then the speculators came in, all the people like you who bought BTC because they saw it rise. Once the hype dies down the early adopters dump on the speculators, and one year or two later they start to pump it again to make other speculators fomo in. In 2017 they got mainstream attention and dumped on a bunch of retail.

Meanwhile, almost no one is using BTC, because it doesn't scale, the network is limited at 7 transactions per second, when that gets reached the fees skyrocket. People buy BTC either to use it, or because they see it rise. If they can't use it, then they only buy it because they see it rise. And that can never be a store-of-value. All that can be is a pump-and-dump. Once speculators are tired of getting dumped on, they will stop buying BTC. Then the early adopters will stop pumping the price once they can't suck money out of speculators anymore, and BTC will simply die.

People will buy something that they can use to do something that they want. That won't be BTC, but that will most likely be BSV. The death of BTC cannot be the death of BSV, you only believe so because you fail to understand bitcoin and what moves its price. It's not institutional money.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:07:54 2019 No.14010799

>>14010693
You’re getting so angry, lol. It still persists as a massive upgrade over what we have today.

Imagine having all of your assets frozen in America as it stands today. You’re fucked. Every store notified not to deal with you.

Now imagine having a borderless currency. Bye, America. I’m going to Switzerland now, where they don’t give a fuck about how dirty my bits are.

Obviously, If you’ve done something so fucked as to not be allowed to leave the country, then of course none of this matters and you may as well kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:08:58 2019 No.14010803 >>14010784 You don’t buy coffee with bitcoin, and that’s obvious.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:10:47 2019 No.14010817 BIG THINGS COMING PREPARE SIRS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:11:50 2019 No.14010831 >>14010782 The vision is clear on BSV you fucking nimrod. Scale to unlimited blocks and set the protocol in stone to 0.1.0 and fully restore Bitcoin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:13:37 2019 No.14010858 >>14008634 >Wright brings a shitload of Blockchain Tech Patent trolling is not inventing.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:15:14 2019 No.14010874

>>14010784
>why the hell would institutional money buy BTC?
As I said, an unfreezeable unseizeable store-of-value is a very big market.

I already gave two examples. The Panama papers. Gold's $8T marketcap.

>People will buy something that they can use to do something that they want.
The Panama papers accounts weren't filled with money by their depositors looking for something "they can use to do something they want".
Nobody buys gold for that purpose either.

BSV shills keep repeating this, but literally no one with real money cares about that at all.

>>14010784
>The death of BTC cannot be the death of BSV, you only believe so because you fail to understand bitcoin and what moves its price.
It's the death of crypto.
Even if BTC doesn't die, but is actually hijacked by Blockstream like most BCH/BSV shills claim it is, that the death of crypto.

That means even crypto#1 can be hijacked to be centralized. So attacking any other crypto the same way should also be possible. A state-level actor can assassinate CSW and seize nChain to hijack BSV.

This means crypto has failed.
Decentralized money is not possible.
We are all just playing musical chairs with the crypto Ponzi market, no matter the coin.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:18:35 2019 No.14010893

>>14010831
>Didn't even respond to the main point
>Muh "clear vision"
If BTC can be hijacked, that means decentralized money is impossible.
Because if crypto #1 can be hijacked, anything can be hijacked, and then eventually centralized.

Just like BTC was "centralized" by Blockstream.

It just requires subverting the right people.
The "vision" doesn't matter, you can change it after you hijack it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:26:50 2019 No.14010961 >>14010893 You're a defeatist faggot.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:27:50 2019 No.14010970

>>14010657
he definitly is.
the problem BTC faces is that its 'store of value' proposition vanishes when BSV can successfully claim to be the original bitcoin - and legally enforce that.

Look, a lot of value into BTC derives from the assumption that it's the original one. That's one core pillar. Derived from that is also the point of "owning a piece of history". With that GONE by the creator personally stating "this is not Bitcoin or what i intended" BTC will be in one league with shitcoins like 'Bitcoin Gold' or 'Bitcoin Diamond'. There's literally no differentiation between them anymore. Lightning won't fix anything scaling-wise and as Craig pointed out it's even gonna be a ticket to jail if you operate a Lightning Node (Money Laundering, Terror Financing, Tax Evasion).

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:33:43 2019 No.14011026

>>14010874
>As I said, an unfreezeable unseizeable store-of-value is a very big market.

As I told you twice, your BTC account is effectively freezable, in the sense that if your account has been involved in some illegal activity, you will get arrested if you ever fail to cover your tracks just once. BTC transactions are not anonymous, they are pseudonymous, these past few years intelligence agencies have worked on associating BTC accounts with real identities through various means. If you ever transact with any of them, or you fail to cover your tracks in any way, you are identified. So by then how is your BTC account not freezed in effect, if using it means getting arrested?

You may not care if you don't want to do anything illegal, but most of the big money that wants to evade taxes does care. So the Panama papers you keep mentioning is not a good example, they won't buy BTC.

And again, BTC is not a store-of-value.

Gold doesn't have the marketcap it does because it is only a speculative tool, but because it is used in many ways, jewelry, electronics, and because it is a historical currency, and banks actually buy it like they buy silver, but they don't buy BTC.

If you can understand that, I might have just saved you millions.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:34:02 2019 No.14011029

>>14010970
>the creator personally stating "this is not Bitcoin or what i intended"
That's a central point of failure right there.
Just like BCH was the real Bitcoin.
Then they agreed layer 2 was a good idea, and BSV forked off.

Now BSV is the real Bitcoin.
Then say Ayre gets greedy and kicks CSW out of nChain.

Suddenly Bitcoin next version is the real one?

If a fork wins, this proves nothing in crypto can be a permanent store-of-value. Institutional money will never touch it with a 10 foot pole, because it's a game of musical chairs until the next "civil war" overthrows the current "correct bitcoin".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:35:34 2019 No.14011040 >>14011029 dude he is going to court to legally ENFORCE this, its not just some blabla like 'my coin is the real'.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:37:05 2019 No.14011050 >>14010065 This has to be the stupidest thing I read all day. In fact, all of your posts in this thread are stupid. Craig is a money hungry bastard, that's all.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:38:24 2019 No.14011060

>>14011026

>>14011026
>You may not care if you don't want to do anything illegal, but most of the big money that wants to evade taxes does care. So the Panama papers you keep mentioning is not a good example, they won't buy BTC.
Do you even know the names uncovered in the Panama papers?
Jackie Chan, Simon Cowell...
These are rich people and institutions hiding their money from the tax man, not looking to do something illegal.

Banks freeze funds not because you are doing something illegal, they do so even simply out of suspicion (hence suspicious transaction reports).

This is not something law enforcement will do, these people are not terrorists.
These are EXACTLY the type of people to buy bitcoin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:39:09 2019 No.14011072 PREPARE FOR A GREAT RUN, VERY BIG GAINS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:40:36 2019 No.14011080 File: 10 KB, 366x402, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14011040 >Courts dictating which is the right crypto >Because that is what crypto i.e. Decentralized money, is all about

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:42:25 2019 No.14011094

>>14011040
the scenario is likely (cause i dont know that - but those would be the next logical steps) to get confirmed in court, getting subsequently the rights to the name 'bitcoin' and then to send out cease-and-desist letters to anyone who does not comply with it that bsv is the real bitcoin.

And if you, as an exchange, do not rename coins like BTC from 'Bitcoin' to 'Bitcoin Core' and BSV towards 'Bitcoin' you will be forced to pay a hefty fine until you do so.

This is a very likely scenario im describing here, if you are a IQ100+ person with guts you would certainly pursue that. I estimate Craig can and will do this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:43:25 2019 No.14011105 >>14011060 >hiding their money from the tax man, not looking to do something illegal. You realize tax evasion is illegal right?

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 04:49:18 2019 No.14011147

>>14011029
Eventually it won't matter who created bitcoin, all that will matter is what crypto people can USE.

A business acquires value because people transact with it. Big investors may invest a lot of money in it, but if the business never takes off the money is lost.

Goes to show that people can be financially successful while not understanding jack shit about the system they live in, but at some point that will come back to bite you in the ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 05:00:42 2019 No.14011240 >>14011094 Fuck you're retarded.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 05:09:18 2019 No.14011306

>>14011105
Ugh, that came out wrong, lol.
I meant, most people looking into such assets where they can store their value aren't looking to do something majorly illegal.

I mean, even Apple does tax avoidance, but they get away with it through legal loopholes.
Just google "Apple tax avoidance"

But I'll admit that sentence came out completely wrong.

>>14011147
You keep saying this
"use use use"
But as I said, that doesn't matter.
It's not even a problem that needs a solution.
Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, fiat, they all work fine for coffees.

Nobody buys gold to use it.
Nobody buys stock ane bonds to use it
Sure, people buy real estate to live on it, but people who buy lots do it to store value or to speculate.

>Goes to show that people can be financially successful while not understanding jack shit about the system they live in, but at some point that will come back to bite you in the ass.
Oh, is this something you know by experience? Something you've read about? Not knowing the system will come back to "bite me in the ass"?

How will this happen when I'm set for life several times over, and diversified enough that I don't fear a recession?

Aren't you the broke poorfag? Maybe you should be thinking more about how to make money instead of making predictions about how people set for life several times over will get screwed and how world cryptocurrency will progress.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 05:35:23 2019 No.14011542

>>14011306
But if they want to evade taxes, and their BTC account can be linked to their identity, then the tax man will know about that money, so they are not evading taxes by buying BTC, and your whole premise that they will buy BTC to evade taxes is flawed.

>You keep saying this
"use use use"
But as I said, that doesn't matter.

You don't understand that this is precisely what matters. Value comes from use. People will use a crypto if they can do things with it that they can't without. To use it they need to buy it. That's what makes its value go up. That's what makes the value of any business go up in the long run, beyond short-term speculative volatility. If no one uses the business, the business dies.

If no one transacts with bitcoin, miners don't earn transaction fees, they earn less money so they spend less hashpower, so the network is less protected and easier to 51% attack, which can kill the whole network or get your money stolen depending on the motivations of the attacker. You don't understand what you are investing in.

>Nobody buys gold to use it.
Jewelry makers buy gold to use it (then sell it), electronics companies buy gold to use it in hardware, gold used to be a currency, it might be a currency in the future.

>Nobody buys stock and bonds to use it
Their value is backed by a business, if the business gains value (because it is USED) then their value goes up.

>Sure, people buy real estate to live on it, but people who buy lots do it to store value or to speculate.
Real estate stores value precisely because need to use it, so they buy it.

>Oh, is this something you know by experience?
I can tell you don't know what you are talking about, you don't understand how your view is flawed. When people rely on something that they don't understand, sooner or later they get fucked.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 05:48:45 2019 No.14011633 >>14009303 Real satoshi is dead

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 05:53:30 2019 No.14011656 >>14011306 >Maybe you should be thinking more about how to make money Give me your email if you want to discuss all this further, I'm thinking I can save you a few millions, and in exchange you can help the broke poorfag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 05:59:43 2019 No.14011719 >>14011240 Lol no that‘s not so far off actually what he proposed

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:03:46 2019 No.14011753 >>14011719 It was you, do you know we can see your ID? Qr/3eVyS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:07:35 2019 No.14011790 File: 134 KB, 810x1080, csw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14008509 You have to go back

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:08:03 2019 No.14011797

>>14011542
> your whole premise that they will buy BTC to evade taxes is flawed.
What? No I did not say they buy Bitcoin to evade taxes.
They buy it to prevent their assets getting seized and frozen.

Manny Pacquiao has a net worth of $190M.
But when the BIR (Philippines IRS) was accusing him of not paying taxes properly on one of his fights they froze all his assets.
He was literally borrowing money from relatives to buy food.

If he had Bitcoin, they would have had no idea about it, unless he was stupid enough to declare it. And he would've had some money to spend. They cannot freeze that.

>Value comes from use.
No, in a market all that matters are that there are buyers and that they push the price up.

Users with not much money do not matter, no matter how avid users they are.

>If no one transacts with bitcoin, miners don't earn transaction fees, they earn less money so they spend less hashpower, so the network is less protected and easier to 51% attack
>You don't understand what you are investing in.

But I thought the narrative was that there are SO MANY USERS, blocks are full, lol. Last block I looked at had over 3 btc in fees.

It's BSV that has no users. There's even that article where that guy did a double spend on it, I don't even care to link it because I'm not here to attack BSV. I don't even want to defend BTC, I'm just a realist that is trying to be unbiased.

>Jewelry makers buy gold to use it
>electronics companies buy gold to use it in hardware

That is not the reason for the $8T marketcap. It's because it is a store of value.
Speculation is what created that market cap.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:08:35 2019 No.14011805

>>14011542
>I can tell you don't know what you are talking about
>When people rely on something that they don't understand, sooner or later they get fucked.

No, I can tell YOU don't know what you are talking about, you seem like you don't even know about that article where the guy for a successful double spend on BSV.

And aren't YOU the one fucked financially? LOL
In my experience, it's people who are arrogant and think they know more than they do are the ones that get fucked, like you.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:25:12 2019 No.14011942

>>14011797
>But when the BIR (Philippines IRS) was accusing him of not paying taxes properly on one of his fights they froze all his assets.

So he got his assets frozen why? Because he was trying to evade taxes.

If he had Bitcoin, he wouldn't have declared it, but at some point he would have left tracks, which would allow intelligence agencies to associate his Bitcoin address with his identity, and then the IRS would have access to this information and pursue him all the same.

They couldn't freeze his Bitcoins, so what? If he kept spending his Bitcoins at some point he would simply get arrested. In any case, to get his other assets unfrozen, he would simply have to pay the taxes he owed.

Bitcoin offers no advantage to big money that wants to evade taxes. There are even disadvantages, Bitcoin is highly volatile, doesn't have value based on use but only on speculation, and if it gets 51% attacked their investment could go to zero. If you are betting on big money to buy Bitcoin so your investment can go up, you will be disappointed.

>No, in a market all that matters are that there are buyers and that they push the price up.

Here is the fundamental thing that you do not understand. Why do buyers buy? Either to use, or because they expect the price to go up. If people don't buy Bitcoin to transact with it, if people don't buy Bitcoin to evade taxes, who is gonna buy Bitcoin? Pure speculators hoping to attract greater fools, conducting pump-and-dumps until people get tired of getting dumped on.

If we all lived in boats, real estate on land would have no value. Sure you could buy a bunch of land and try to sell it for a higher price, and maybe someone would buy it from you and attempt to sell it for a higher price, but at any time there might be no greater fool and the value would vanish. But real estate stores value because plenty of people need to buy some to live on it. It wouldn't store value if the market was only made of speculators.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:40:44 2019 No.14012065

>>14011797
>But I thought the narrative was that there are SO MANY USERS, blocks are full, lol. Last block I looked at had over 3 btc in fees.

The vast majority is bitcoins moving across exchanges. When the greater fools stop coming and the pump-and-dumps stop, these transactions will stop too.

>That is not the reason for the $8T marketcap. It's because it is a store of value.
>Speculation is what created that market cap.

Speculation alone can give the illusion of value short-term. The price depends on both use and speculation. The market cap of gold is not only speculative, far from that.

If I create a crypto that no one use, and buy 0.000000001 unit of it for $8k, it would have a marketcap of $8T, that doesn't mean I can sell it back to anyone else, unless I manage to attract greater fools. If all speculation ceased on gold, it would still have a big market cap, because a lot of gold is actually bought to be used, that buying pressure doesn't disappear even when all speculation is gone. When a market is only speculative and all speculation disappears, your investment becomes worth nothing.

>that article where the guy for a successful double spend on BSV.

That's isolated and can be fixed, it's not a systemic issue like a 51% attack. And in principle BSV could be 51% attacked too, but if the network grows fast enough it will become practically impossible, but that's only if many people use it. It's possible for many people to use BSV at the same time, but not BTC.

>And aren't YOU the one fucked financially?

People who inherit a lot of money have a lot of money, that doesn't mean they know how to keep it.

Anyway time is money, if what I say has value to you then give me your email and we'll keep discussing, otherwise I'll go do something else.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:43:50 2019 No.14012096

>>14011942
>If he had Bitcoin, he wouldn't have declared it, but at some point he would have left tracks
It's easier than you are making it out to be.
There's Bitcoin ATMs, LocalBitcoins, Bisq, Hodlhodl...

I've bought tons of btc this way and neither me nor the seller have had anyone else know except the two of us. I even know someone who lives off the grid and just spends and earns crypto...one of the sellers I used to buy from on LBC.

It's actually BSV that's much more dangerous. In the last Coingeek conference, CSW said "I will hand law enforcement the tools they need to catch criminals". Yes, I watched that because as I said I prefer to be unbiased.

>Here is the fundamental thing that you do not understand. Why do buyers buy? Either to use, or because they expect the price to go up.

No here is the fundamental thing YOU don't understand. The market for "users" is extremely small compared to the speculation market.

There is $200T liquid money in the world, but if you add the derivatives market, it goes up to $500T. Institutional money is literally buying to make more money, NOT to use it.

Tulips had no use and yet that market bubbled up. Because people thought they saw value.

If BTC gets overthrown by ANY coin, it means these are all just tulips. Institutional money will never touch it then.

You also keep talking about users, but everyone is on BTC. I was talking about BSV being so barren and secretly centralized that you can double spend on it, here is the article:
https://honest.cash/reizu/making-double-spending-0-conf-with-bitcoin-sv-117/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:47:22 2019 No.14012125 >>14009303 Guy is a fraud, but a lot of people make money playing confidence games with crypto though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:47:40 2019 No.14012129 File: 445 KB, 2778x1521, 1544075054880.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14009781 >1)bsv is better tech-wise than btc no it isnt you lying fuck lmao when was the last time Bitcoin had a 6-block reorg? BSV had a 6-block reorg last month.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:53:20 2019 No.14012169

>>14012065
>If I create a crypto that no one use, and buy 0.000000001 unit of it for $8k, it would have a marketcap of $8T, that doesn't mean I can sell it back to anyone else
Not this stupidly basic example.
That doesn't even apply here.
Because trading is not all about marketcap.
Trading volume is also important.

>That's isolated and can be fixed
But CSW refuses to do anything about it, he's confident it's impossible, didn't you read his tweets?

>People who inherit a lot of money have a lot of money, that doesn't mean they know how to keep it.
Er, didn't I already tell you I'm self-made?
And right now, I can even live on the 4% safe withdrawal rate (SWR) on my traditional investments. I'm literally the poster child of "knows how to keep it" lol

>Anyway time is money, if what I say has value to you then give me your email and we'll keep discussing, otherwise I'll go do something else.
Eh, I'm not really interested in discussing further. I was just hoping to get something unbiased out of you since you SEEM to be listening, but when I think we are about to have a good discussion, you suddenly go back to the BSV shill handbook tagline about "something users can use".

I personally prefer ETH, due to the decentralized world computer idea, and Monero, due to the mandatory anonymity

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:55:05 2019 No.14012181

>>14011942
>If you are betting on big money to buy Bitcoin so your investment can go up, you will be disappointed.
I mean, I already said, I bought into Bitcoin with 5% of my net worth, money I can afford to lose.

I don't really care about it, I just want to be a part of the revolution if crypto does succeed.

But if it happens the way CSW is doing it, I'll pass.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 06:58:53 2019 No.14012204

>>14012096
>No here is the fundamental thing YOU don't understand. The market for "users" is extremely small compared to the speculation market.

And what you don't understand is that buying Bitcoin to evade taxes is not speculation, it is USING Bitcoin for something.

However, hoping that institutional money is gonna come and buy Bitcoin to evade taxes is speculative, and if your assumption that they are going to do it is flawed (which it is as I have shown), then that use will never come and at some point the speculation will vanish along with your investment.

>Tulips had no use and yet that market bubbled up. Because people thought they saw value.

And then the bubble crashed and never recovered. Are you hoping to sell at the top of an incoming speculative bubble? The top of the bubble was in late 2017 for BTC, it's most likely not going there again.

>It's actually BSV that's much more dangerous. In the last Coingeek conference, CSW said "I will hand law enforcement the tools they need to catch criminals"

They already have plenty of tools to track people on the BTC ledger.

>There's Bitcoin ATMs, LocalBitcoins, Bisq, Hodlhodl...
>I've bought tons of btc this way and neither me nor the seller have had anyone else know except the two of us

Law enforcement has infiltrated LocalBitcoins, people have been arrested. They're going after every loophole. And even if you manage to buy completely anonymously, and the person you buy from cannot identify you in any way, your money is worthless if you can't ever use it or withdraw it. And the pretty much impossible part is to use it or withdraw it without ever being identified. Big money won't buy Bitcoin to evade taxes.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:04:28 2019 No.14012246

>>14012181
>I bought into Bitcoin with 5% of my net worth, money I can afford to lose.
Then you'll most likely lose it, unless you keep your BSV.

>shill handbook tagline about "something users can use"
That's the fundamental basis of economy, value comes from use, exchanges, transactions. Use means buying pressure that doesn't disappear. Speculation is a buying pressure that disappears at some point. I can't explain it more succinctly than that.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:09:41 2019 No.14012296

>>14012169
>I personally prefer ETH, due to the decentralized world computer idea

Which is implemented on BSV in a more efficient manner, peer-to-peer electronic cash is one use out of many. ETH is not much of a world computer when Cryptokitties can clog the network to the point it becomes unusable.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:15:23 2019 No.14012346

>>14012204
>hoping that institutional money is gonna come and buy Bitcoin to evade taxes
You keep repeating "evade taxes" when I already told you "NO" in my previous post.
Do people buy gold to evade taxes?
I said it's too have an unseizeable unfreezeable store-of-value.
I even gave an example, Manny Pacquiao.

You can't grasp the idea of needing such an asset because you are poor and have nothing to store.
Imagine, I have over $500k in one of my bank accounts. Suddenly, the bank tells you they're gonna freeze it until you provide complete documentation where the latest deposit came from.

Do you know how that feels?
Once you do, you'll understand.

>The top of the bubble was in late 2017 for BTC, it's most likely not going there again.
Dotcom bubble peak was near $7T
Same for the housing bubble.
That literally means a $300k Bitcoin.
Those are US only bubbles, this is a global one.

Wanna make it?
Buy 1 BTC and hodl.
Seriously, trust me on this one.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:21:35 2019 No.14012408

>>14012204
>Big money won't buy Bitcoin to evade taxes
I already said this isn't the point, I even gave an example, can't understand why you fixated on this.

>>14012246
>Then you'll most likely lose it, unless you keep your BSV.
I feel like you aren't reading my posts.
Didn't I already say I have all my free forks (BCH, BSV, BTG etc) because I can't be arsed to redo my backups.
And that shilling to me is a waste of time.

I'm the most unbiased person you can talk to about this because I actually hold them all.
Although CSW said he's gonna give unmoving hodl'd coins back to the miners so there's that.

>>14012246
>That's the fundamental basis of economy, value comes from use, exchanges, transactions
You almost sound like you support inflation and quantitative easing, both things that "stimulate the economy" and "promotes spending".

>>14012296
>Which is implemented on BSV in a more efficient manner
Ugh, 1GB blocks sound like the most retarded thing to me. I don't believe everything should be on a blockchain. Centralized databases are much more efficient, not EVERYTHING needs to be decentralized.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:22:05 2019 No.14012412
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>>14009934
Nope, because BitcoinSV is actually useable technology. You know, peer-to-peer electronic cash. Extremely low fees, instant transactions.

Read the white paper retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:23:38 2019 No.14012426 >>14010004 >Asks for your handle to give you some pity money >doesn't immediately download hashcash and make a handle in 2 mins and post that Not gonna make it. Low IQ, bad decisionmaking. That's on you dude.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:25:14 2019 No.14012442 >>14010051 Everything makes sense when you realize BTC is not Bitcoin. It's a fake and crippled blockchain project run by kikes, with the sole purpose of acting as a ponzi scheme for market manipulators.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:26:16 2019 No.14012449

>>14012412
Nobody with real money cares about that.
Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, and fiat bills work fine for your coffees.

As I already said countless times here, bitcoin is still a world experiment on whether crypto can be a store-of-value. If it can get obsoleted by better tech, ala Myspace/Friendster, or if it can be compromised by a fake news campaign, then it shows crypto is obsoleteable and not viable as a store-of-value.

If that happens, institutional money will never consider crypto again for that purpose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:27:17 2019 No.14012459 File: 23 KB, 1840x242, Satoshi_government.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14010188 CSW is Satoshi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:27:46 2019 No.14012466 >>14012412 BSV is a general purpose database, not a p2p electronic cash system. The whitepaper doesn't apply at all

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:29:37 2019 No.14012484

>>14012426
>Low IQ, bad decisionmaking. That's on you dude.

I mistaked it for something else, that's on me indeed. Although I don't even have a working smartphone at the moment, so couldn't have downloaded the app.

Here's a BSV address in case anyone has pity 35K6k8nxRszDqJnXQKMBNdG48LRNcybhFA

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:37:39 2019 No.14012561 >>14011029 Ayre is not employed by, or has ownership of nChain. nChain is Craig's company founded and funded by himself. You can't kick him out of his own company lmao

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:39:12 2019 No.14012572

>>14012346
>I said it's too have an unseizeable unfreezeable store-of-value.

It doesn't become a store-of-value by believing it is one. People might have believed tulips were a store-of-value, they didn't store value for long.

So unless big money knows that the unseizable unfreezable asset is going to store value, they aren't gonna buy it. And to store value, it needs to be used as something else than a speculative store-of-value.

>Imagine, I have over $500k in one of my bank accounts. Suddenly, the bank tells you they're gonna freeze it until you provide complete documentation where the latest deposit came from.

If many who have a lot of money thought like you, your "bitcoin is a store-of-value" might become a self-fulfilling prophecy. For a while. Once the price starts going down, and more and more people realize it doesn't store value, then the bottom is $0.

A speculative asset retains its value only if those who own it have enough faith in it that they never sell. Once that faith dwindles and people start selling and the price goes down, more and more sell and then it's over.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:47:06 2019 No.14012644

>>14012449
>Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, and fiat bills work fine for your coffees.
High fees, central company, freezable assets, censorable payments and most important of all - IT IS BASED ON FIAT MONEY WHICH IS FUCKING DOGSHIT BECAUSE OF KIKES DEBASING THE VALUE.

The whole fucking point of Bitcoin is that it's an electronic money system that can not be debased. The supply is fixed - hardcoded on a decentralized immutable ledger. It's the perfect form of money.

"store of value" is completely worthless when 1) you can't use the value you store for anything. 2) it doesn't actually store your value, look at the fucking charts. What exactly is being stored here? Only hopes and dreams.

Learn the basics of money. If it's not a medium of exchange it will never be a good store of value.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:49:20 2019 No.14012667 >>14012466 It's going to be both. Turns out that you can build a database run by economic incentives on a protocol that is solid peer-to-peer electronic cash. One use case does not exclude the other.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:50:28 2019 No.14012682

>>14012346
Also you moved the goalposts, first it was that big money was gonna buy Bitcoin because Panama Papers (hence to evade tax), I showed you how Bitcoin is a poor way to evade tax, so you moved it to big money is gonna buy Bitcoin because unseizable unfreezable store-of-value, but now I'm showing you that it takes more than faith for an asset to becomes a store-of-value, faith gives you a temporary buying pressure but at some point the buying pressure and the faith vanish and then it crashes to oblivion. Buying an asset on faith and luring more people to buy on faith is pretty much the definition of a ponzi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 07:52:09 2019 No.14012696 >>14008525 >everyone who is sceptical of bsv must automatically love btc

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:02:22 2019 No.14012812 >>14012572 You are correct. I DID say bitcoin is a world EXPERIMENT. We'll see what will happen soon enough.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:04:35 2019 No.14012834 >>14012484 >gambles away thousands of dollars worth of crypto >beggs for more

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:07:33 2019 No.14012865

>>14012812
>I DID say bitcoin is a world EXPERIMENT.
We've had plenty of ponzis and we know how they all end.

Bitcoin stores the value of the money people buy it with into the pockets of the early adopters, that's the only way it stores value.

Now if there is a crypto that people can actually use to do things that they want, and that they can't do otherwise, then that crypto can come to store value, in the sense that it won't crash to oblivion when speculators sell their stacks.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:10:36 2019 No.14012900

>>14012682
>Also you moved the goalposts
Did I really?
>first it was that big money was gonna buy Bitcoin because Panama Papers (hence to evade tax), I showed you how Bitcoin is a poor way to evade tax, so you moved it to big money is gonna buy Bitcoin because unseizable unfreezable store-of-value

Let's see my SECOND POST in this thread don't we?

>>14009723
>To me BTC is the world experiment on whether crypto can be a store-of-value like gold. Unfreezeable unseizeable assets are a huge market, just look at the Panama papers or gold's marketcap

Damn BUSTED.
Where in that post did I even mention evading taxes?
How about the unfreezeable unseizeable store-of-value?

This is the quality of the BSV supporters and CSW believers, ladies and gentlemen.
Can't even verify a fact when all it takes to do so was to scroll up.

Saying institutional investors will come in because they can "evade tax here'' is silly, that's a strawman you made and kept bringing up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:11:11 2019 No.14012909 >>14012834 That's what desperation does. If my life wasn't horrible I wouldn't have gambled, I would have held and waited. I didn't think BSV would pump so soon, and that BTC would pump so high. That's life, I played and I lost.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:12:44 2019 No.14012929

>>14012865
>We've had plenty of ponzis and we know how they all end.
>
>Bitcoin stores the value of the money people buy it with into the pockets of the early adopters, that's the only way it stores value.
Have you seen gold's historical price chart lately? How much it had risen recently?
I suggest you check it out, you seem to think benefiting "early adopters" is an argument against Bitcoin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:15:57 2019 No.14012952 File: 108 KB, 1024x768, nohomo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14008509 him probably

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:19:53 2019 No.14012987

>>14012909
DCA until you get 1 btc.
Hold until 2022.
This is the best advice you will ever get.

When 2022 comes around and you are still lurking /biz/ gambling on moon mission shitcoins, remember I once told you this.

Drop your email here, if Bitcoin hits $350k+ and you're still poor, maybe I'll send some gains your way for being reasonable enough despite being a BSV shill.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:20:30 2019 No.14012993

>>14012900
>Where in that post did I even mention evading taxes?
>just look at the Panama papers

Don't people mostly store money in Panama to evade taxes? Or to conduct fraud through shell accounts? Illegal stuff basically. Which they couldn't hide through Bitcoin.

I doubt most store money there because they are honest citizens who follow the law but they are tired of their bank freezing their accounts for no reason. Your case is an exception rather than the rule.

I thought you were thinking about evading taxes when you kept referring to the Panama papers. But in any case they can't use Bitcoin to store value either if only speculators are buying it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:26:10 2019 No.14013039

>>14012993
>just look at the Panama papers
Nice crop.
Why not the whole phrase?
>Unfreezeable unseizeable assets are a huge market, just look at the Panama papers or gold's marketcap

I also mentioned gold.
So you think I mentioned gold because people buy it for tax evasion? lol
Sorry, you were already busted like CSW.

> Don't people mostly store money in Panama to evade taxes? Or to conduct fraud through shell accounts? Illegal stuff basically
Yes, that is not purely "evade taxes".

A lot of those in the list are politicians.
They are not evading taxes, they are protecting proceeds from corruption.
In an UNFREEZABLE UNSEIZABLE account.

So NO, I was never moving the goalposts.
You just never understood my point.

If you want it clearer: it's MONEY LAUNDERING
Because yes, a LOT of institutional money and big money do come from questionable sources.
And their biggest fear is getting these assets frozen or seized.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:28:38 2019 No.14013068

>>14012987
>DCA until you get 1 btc.
>Hold until 2022.
>This is the best advice you will ever get.

I'm not ever holding this shitcoin any more. In fact I am shorting it now with the few pennies I have left. It might have a last pump over the next few months, and then it's done. A huge selling pressure is coming. The Mt Gox coins (a few hundred thousands btc). Craig's tulip trust coins (over 1 million btc). And the early adopters that know this and who are attempting to lure speculators one last time with this pump before dumping their bags on them for the last time. Apocalypse is coming, I will never hold this shitcoin ever again.

>Drop your email here, if Bitcoin hits $350k+ and you're still poor, maybe I'll send some gains your way for being reasonable enough

That won't ever happen so no need to drop my email. BSV might hit that value though, so if you want the advice of a broke poorfag who isn't that dumb, sell your BTC for BSV, or at least don't sell your BSV.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:35:57 2019 No.14013134 File: 63 KB, 1125x388, Satoshi_kills_corecoin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14012987 BTC is a pyramid scheme, stop trying to dump your useless bags on others.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:37:38 2019 No.14013155

>>14013039
>I also mentioned gold.
And as I said, gold is a store of value because it is actually used, businesses buy it to use it, and it was historically used as a currency and it might be at some point in the future.

>If you want it clearer: it's MONEY LAUNDERING
>Because yes, a LOT of institutional money and big money do come from questionable sources.
>And their biggest fear is getting these assets frozen or seized.

They should have done what the Columbian drug cartels did, launder money through Bitcoin. Accumulate Bitcoin at a very low price. Pump Bitcoin with drug money. Sell Bitcoin at a high price to speculators. There you go, clean money + profit.

These drug cartels want unfreezable unseizable assets, but they're not buying bitcoin to hold it, they're buying it to pump and dump it. But they're running out of narratives to lure speculators, the pump of these past few months hasn't generated much hype, probably they hoped for more, but they'll still suck all the money you give them.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:47:36 2019 No.14013265

>>14013068
>A huge selling pressure is coming.
I'm excited then.
I have like a few thousand dollars worth of crypto I don't keep in cold storage I use to try to "play trader".

I might use it to put a few btc buy orders at $3500, $1000, $150 heck even $1 and $0.01.
Might get a flash crash and get lucky you know.

>That won't ever happen so no need to drop my email.
Broke poorfag turning down free money, really?
You have literally nothing to lose by giving it, you can even use a throwaway.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:50:48 2019 No.14013307

>>14013134
I'm not dumping any bags.
As I said, I have all forks for free (BCH, BSV, BTG, etc) because I can't be arsed to redo my backups.

I'm the most unbiased guy here because I'm discussing as someone who actually holds ALL forks.

Seriously, I've said this like ten times in this thread, it's like these BSV shills can't read.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 08:56:25 2019 No.14013385

>>14013155
>And as I said, gold is a store of value because it is actually used
That doesn't warrant the $8T marketcap as I said, that's because of price speculation

>it was historically used as a currency and it might be at some point in the future.
Lol @ being used as currency again
Normies won't even have any easy way of checking for counterfeits. I didn't respond to it when you first said it, but this is a pretty wild statement. Lol

>There you go, clean money + profit.
That's still not unseizeable nor unfreezeable.
Manny Pacquiao's earnings were clean, but a SINGLE misstep and all the clean funds were frozen along with the untaxed funds.

Those drug cartels, if they get caught, will most likely have any funds in traditional banking frozen, even if they have a clean paper trail for it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 09:00:13 2019 No.14013429

>>14013265
>Broke poorfag turning down free money, really?
More like broke poorfag turning down money he will never get.

>You have literally nothing to lose by giving it, you can even use a throwaway.
Ok here is one, but I know btc is never going to 300k ciep@protonmail.com

>I might use it to put a few btc buy orders at $3500, $1000, $150 heck even $1 and $0.01.
>Might get a flash crash and get lucky you know.

$3500 and $1000 will get definitely filled, $150 most likely, $1 and $0.01 maybe. Don't put an order at $3500 though, it will get filled but Bitcoin might never go back up there.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 09:14:03 2019 No.14013551

>>14013385
>That doesn't warrant the $8T marketcap as I said, that's because of price speculation
Sure, but there is some buying pressure from actual use, while Bitcoin is 99% speculation.

>Lol @ being used as currency again
If society collapses, it could be used locally. Speculation doesn't store value but use does, the problem with Bitcoin is if you remove all speculation the market price corresponding to the value it stores is close to $0.

>That's still not unseizeable nor unfreezeable.
>Those drug cartels, if they get caught, will most likely have any funds in traditional banking frozen, even if they have a clean paper trail for it.
I suppose, but they don't seem to believe in Bitcoin besides as a money laundering tool. And again even if the asset is unfreezable, if you can't use it without being identified and arrested then it becomes effectively worthless.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 09:22:23 2019 No.14013630 >>14013551 Well fren this has been fun and all but I have to go. Pretty decent convo I think for a BSV shill. >>14013429 >ciep@protonmail.com Sent an email, don't forget to check this throwaway when BTC either moons or crashes. I won't forget.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 09:31:30 2019 No.14013721

>>14013630
Cheers.

I don't see myself as a BSV shill, just a believer. I've been following the space closely these past few years, and to me BSV has the most chance at becoming a successful cryptocurrency used by millions and maybe even billions of people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 09:34:13 2019 No.14013745 >>14013721 >I don't see myself as a BSV shill >35 posts by this ID

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 09:38:48 2019 No.14013794 >>14013307 >Saying I am unbiased makes me by definitionn unbiased CNN logic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 5 09:41:45 2019 No.14013833 >>14013745 lol, I guess I would be a shill if I was trying to shill my bags, but I don't have bags, just regrets.

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