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there is beauty in the struggle, ugliness in the success anons. the dream that once i made it my "real life" would start kept me going end energized. the delusion and cope daydreaming about wealth made me euphoric. now that i got it i dont know what the fuck there is left to do. thanks to hedonic treadmill i got used to everything i have now and after the initial dopamine spike im back to my baseline depressed baseline.

you get used to everything. being able to sleep as long as you want will get normal, a wagie gets euphoric when friday comes but i been living like its christmas for months now and im miserable.

got addicted to coke and alcohol aswell which i will stop doing come june 1st. what the fuck should i do now? i have no motivation to get out of bed or brush my teeth.

i went from daydreaming about making it which kept me going to daydreamimg about offing myself if it gets too bad which is what keeps me going now. to have the option open to exit is a nice thing to have.

>> No.13831201

>inb4 nice r*ddit spacing and nice blog faggot

>> No.13831276

>take some drugs a friend offered
>the experience is meh and unmemorable
>don't give a shit about drugs afterwards
this came with age

>> No.13831319

>>13831276
even though I'm too anxiety prone to touch it myself anymore and am addicted to meth/opiates myself, try a few big tokes of DMT and see if "drugs" are still "meh"

(nb: "drugs" does not adequately describe the DMT experience)

>> No.13831340

>>13831319
and since you rich now may as well buy the GVG and a good torch to smoke it with, not a crackpipe.

>> No.13831389

>>13831188
Most people here want to be financially free. To live their life by their design and not be stuck to someone elses schedule. Quit drugs and do some soul searching. Not sure what you're crying about. What are your interests? Any hobbies? Why don't you volunteer your time to work with animals or people down on their luck?

I'll tell you something. Humans are most happy in service to others. Whether that be kids, clients, animals or god. In hinduism the highest service is considered the service you give to god. You don't have to be a hinduist though, but the philosophy in my experience checks out. Self-serving individuals are bitter. Heck even nature is build around service. Everything serves a purpose in one way or the other. There are different ''levels'' to it. A being not in service to others is a being unfufilled.

The biggest prophets were always in service, to god. Seems logical but if you give it a little more thought it shows you thats exactly what humans really want. To be of service, to have purpose and be of use. To be able to make an impact and share the results.

>> No.13831437

I went from being broke my whole life to an 80k salary and life was great but i ended up losing the job and am broke again.

I imagine that when I make it financially, I will pursue my hobbies. building up my cars and playing the real estate game.

I think you need to find hobbies that require some money and allow you to feel accomplishment when you create something cool or excel at a passion.

you could also look into humanitarian endeavors and trying to solve some of the larger problems that we face as humans.

good luck to you anon.

>> No.13831442

>>13831389
based and servicepilled. this anon understands purpose

>> No.13831454

>>13831188
>the dream that once i made it my "real life" would start kept me going end energized.
Whata would you have done once your life starts?
what do you want your life to look like
why aren't you doing shit to get there?

>> No.13831472

>>13831454
can you figure out a smaller version of the big dream you have? break it down into parts and slowly work towards it

>> No.13831482

>>13831389
gotta disagree with you about the god thing and everything serving a purpose.

is it the puddle of waters purpose to perfectly fill the shape of the pothole that it rests in? or is that just a reaction based on the properties water has?

>> No.13831484

>>13831319
Tried DMT. Also meh

>> No.13831495

>>13831188
>got addicted to coke and alcohol aswell which i will stop doing come june 1st.
fuck you and start today.

>> No.13831510

>>13831188
Poorfag inside. But everybody has those phases, and the lack of a goal is what is draining your energy. You don't have a goal to work for, find one. I didn't have one for months now, finally found the world of crypto and im pumped to become finacially stable, once I become, ill find new goals. But just find one

>> No.13831572

>>13831495
yes quit alcohol cold turkey and have the worst time of your life + risk life threatening seizures

bet you won't cus u arent TUFF like us

>> No.13831584

>>13831482
>>13831482
You're right it is the property of water, but a puddle can be drank from or played in. Just saying. Everything has and can serve a purpose beyond itself.

>> No.13831599

>>13831572
allright fine
didn't think about that.

if it was sugar i'd say fuck you though / I'm going to start eathing healthy (after this one last pizza)

>> No.13831624

>>13831188
You're in the wrong social strata. You need to start doing VC shit.

>> No.13831628

You probably don't have enough money desu.
You need radical change, stash money, join ashram or budhist temple if you have no family to take care.
It's getting really sad, we have stories about people making it and then getting caught in negative circle every week now. It's a sad state of affairs, now im afraid of making it.

>> No.13831638

>>13831188
I am stuck. I know that I'm going to make it, it is basically set in stone. In 3 to 5 years I will have 5 to 10 million. But what do in the time between?

>> No.13831639

>>13831389
Based

>> No.13831653

>>13831389
>Not sure what you're crying about.
that my life was basically a lie. since a child i thought materialistic things, shiny toys are the end game. i was egoistic my whole life and went into social isolation just to have that focus to acquire wealth. now im in my mid 20s and i think i have permanently damaged myself. i think this all came from lack of self confidence but how is it my fault if im just a product of my genetics, education of parents and enviroment. does a free will exist?
>What are your interests? Any hobbies?
no, besides consuming media and lifting weights. i tried many things but only these i can stick to.

>serving
makes sense. i dont know if i change myself or who i am though. i will start by getting a puppy and serving him my time.

>> No.13831677

>>13831653
if i can change*

>> No.13831699

>>13831653
>My life is a lie
Join the club. You're right. Atleast you're young figuring it out.
>Interests hobbies
Plenty of stuff to do. Just keep trying new things.
>Getting a puppy
A dog is a lot of work. Don't underestimat the responsibility.

>> No.13831708

>>13831653
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.

>> No.13831726

>>13831628
they could always give me all their money then they can be happy again and I can have a place to live again. faggots.

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>>13831628
>join buddhist temple
i really thought about this. if everything else fails, i will try this before ending it.

the principle of hedonic treadmill is also a basic lesson in buddhism. maybe i should just study something and go to private paid uni for fun or learn a new language. the thing is im lacking motivation and energy to get out of bed which is mostly because of drug withdrawals. i been trying to quit cocaine for months now. such a shitty drug.

>> No.13831770

>>13831188
>money didnt cure my depression
Yes it did, you just don't realize it.

>> No.13831775

>>13831482
yes but is that purpose assigned by a mind or do see attribute purpose because we see a benefit? if we see a lion eating a gazelle, we could say that it was serving its purpose from the perspective of the lion, but I don't think the gazelle would agree.

>> No.13831810

>>13831188
This is the inevitable fate of every hedonistic retard on this site who sees crypto as a means to a life of lazy debauchery.

Wealth shouldn't be a ticket to a lazy, materialistic life. It is a vehciel for power and opportunity. The precious hours you'd normally spend waging to build someone else's legacy can now be toiled to build your own. That can be through starting a Business, artistic endeavors, raising a family on your own terms, or even pursuing a life dedicated to the acquisition of knowledge. The Norman wagie can't spend an afternoon teaching himself topics like quantum mechanics or classical Greek philosophy. He is too tired from many taxing hours of lining another man's pockets. He just wants to kick back and relax. 'turn his brain off'.

If you squander the opportunity given to you to achieve greatness, you deserve misery.

>> No.13831816

>>13831188
turn to god.
Life will feel incomplete otherwise.

>> No.13831817

>>13831653
>does a free will exist?
On the one hand I think every action you take is on some extend predetermined by your past and environment. On the other hand I believe there is a basic free will.

Example: put two pieces of paper (exact duplicates) in front of you. Decide to pick up one. You can decide. There is your free will.
Counter example of the not-so free will: some idiot on the street approaches you and starts harassing you. Do you ignore him, go away, or tell him to shut the fuck up and drop him? However you decide, your action is not a free will is already determined based on your past and every interaction you had in life. (put in some genetics too. Emotions and behavior are definitely genetically predetermined to some extend of x%)

>> No.13831845

>>13831810
>If you squander the opportunity given to you to achieve greatness, you deserve misery

This is good. Really good.

>> No.13831941

>>13831810
good post anon, thanks.

>or even pursuing a life dedicated to the acquisition of knowledge.
this sounds neat but how to get out the pessimistic mind state that everything you do, build or learn will not matter in the end you become dust.

>> No.13832028

>>13831775
>>13831775
They're animals so it would be hard to say what they're agree/disagreeing about. Funny you'd use that example. I was reflecting on the same thing. seriously. But in nature things are kept in perpetual balance. The Lion eating that gazelle is a form of that balancing out. You don't have to agree with any of it. It simply is fact. Acceptance of that and surrendering to it has a big emphasis.

A bee pollinates flowers not because its happy to do it. It just happens as it fulfills its duty to the colony. If that is all a product of our imagination? I don't think so but sure if you consider Berkley's philosophy then maybe. Anyhow whether it is a product of our mind or not, these things are what is observed and is what we can apply and experience.

If we see the same pattern over and over then we consider this as truth. If a I drop a ball and it bounces of the ground untill it comes to a standstill somewhere random and do this a thousand times then you can conclude that this is truth. Similarly if you observe the same patterns around you in nature you can conclude this to be truth. Our brains are wired to see patterns. So if it is a product of our mind to see these things and attach meaning to it. I won't argue that it can't be. But frankly its besides the point wether it is or isn't. Because the application shows results.

>> No.13832031

>>13831638
>In 3 to 5 years I will have 5 to 10 million.
And how much do you have now?

>> No.13832051

>>13831810
I want to achieve greatness, at least for myself. I do have a lot of hobbies. But not being interested in pursuing those things nowadays has brought me down quiet significantly. I remember last time I always have that energy to talk to women for example. Interest in reading books about science etc. after years gone by, now that i'm 28, I don't know what happened, it is all gone. I just feel like sleeping all day and scroll aimlessly on this board. Can someone start a discord channel for coping things like this? I see a lot of threads here talking about disinterest in their behavior lately. Sorry for my english. But i really need help. I don't do drugs and will never do. I know I have to help myself but somehow i think having someone to keep this spirit alive (like reading this thread) always give me a little bit of relieve as I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

>> No.13832082

find serenity in routine and stability.

>> No.13832117

>>13831775
Similar with OP's case. We constantly observe getting rich doesn't bring happiness. Money serves a purpose as we designed it to. But that purpose is not happiness. It can improve quality of life but that doesn't necessarily equate to more happiness. Thus we can consider it truthfull that money doesn't make you happy and that if you do believe this then you're in for a dissapointment.

What OP describes is well known within eastern religions. It gives a dopamine spike because its new, then when the new wears of it leaves you where you were before. That is a pattern. And I think were just intelligent enough to see it. I don't think its a product of our minds but you can certainly reason that way. In that case again, I say its the end results that matter. Not the value we attribute to it but the action/reaction expressed.

>> No.13832175

>>13832117
eastern religions even have special words for these. And they acknowledge that it is a form of happiness. But its temporary. Lasting happiness can only be achieved by serving god. You don't have to agree with it. But its a pattern, and that pattern shows consequences. I guess the question isn't then if its a product of imagination but rather what kind of results/consequences do you want? Do you want to be unhappy and unfufilled chasing material pleasures or do you want something else?

>> No.13832176

>>13831188
Others have been where you are. Read the biography of literally anyone (anyone who has a biography written about them is automatically more rich than you)
I recommend the Elon Musk book

>> No.13832185

>>13831941
>this sounds neat but...
Sounds like you are in a stage of depression as you realize and get overwhelmed by the fact of your existance's end. I have to admit, I am in the same boat. My cope is the following. Play the scenario further:

Your existance will come to and end. So does this fact make it matter less? Everyone's existence comes to an end, beginning with the first human on earth. Yet, humans evolved and started to build. If the humans of the past had the state of mind "my existance does not matter. Nothing matters. Humanity will be gone one day. Why even do anything?" then you would not post in this board. You would sit in some cave, pain suffering from various deseases.

My conclusio:
Yes, your existance will come to and end. Everything you build will come to an end, too. And this is the same for everyone else on the planet until the day the planet's lifespan is over. However, it doesn't help anything to think about this dilemma. We are living now, with people and environment surrounding us now. There is no past or future for you. In every moment you are living in the now. Until you are gone. Make use of this Now. Build something. Build relationships. Make use of the possibilities the former human generations have created for you. Make a difference on your environment, in any good way. One day the entire universe will come to an end. But this doesn't matter when humanity may wipe itself out within the next 5,000 years. It doesn't affect you either way. Finally, I believe there is at least the possibility of some sort of reincarnation. Organisms get formed out of particles and get destroyed again. Neverending circle. What defines your existence? You are just a sum of particles and electric signals. The "you" may live in another form in another life in some way in the future. Of course this next you won't remember your present you. So take this as a straw, when the end of existence makes you mad like me.

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Only a bullet can cure it

>> No.13832272

>>13832185
PS: you should take your existence as a selfconscious organism as a gift. Embrace it instead of getting depressed about it. You could also be a stone lasting ten thousands of years but man would this be a shitty existence. Don't you think so?

>> No.13832289

>>13831188
After having enough money to NEET about I feel exactly the same as I did when I worked fulltime for about 10 years. I don't understand you OP

>> No.13832291

>>13831941
It sounds like you have developed a deepset nihilism, likely from your lifestyle. Now, some would argue nihilism is innately bad, but I would personally consider it a matter of perspective. Some find that meaningless to be massively liberating or ultimately incosiquential (see: >>13832185). The best part about knowledge isn't the specific knowledge itself, it is greater perspective it lends. Pursuing a life of knowledge might not 'cure' that feeling of meaningless, but it might ultimately change the value (or lack thereof) you find in that meaningless.

Good luck to you, my friend. There is still much time for you to live a fulfilled life.

>> No.13832377

>>13831941
Pass on the knowledge?

>> No.13832620

>>13832185
>Yet, humans evolved and started to build. If the humans of the past had the state of mind "my existance does not matter. Nothing matters. Humanity will be gone one day. Why even do anything?" then you would not post in this board. You would sit in some cave, pain suffering from various deseases.
Offotopic but I unironically think cave men were more happy than we are today in some way. this constant dopamine stimulus from thousands of sources including constant information spam from internet, porn, being able to eat whenever you want, maximum comfort is slowly but surely ruining the human. yes, humans do adapt but i think there comes a certain ceiling and we evolved way too soon. i dont know which timeline was best. maybe middle age, maybe the 90s? but i dont think that smart phone age is good for us.

the constant dopamine hits make us crave more and more and more. that is why majority could get off by a lingerie magazine as a child and now you need special fetish porn. same with clinical depression, burn out syndrome, overweight adipositas etc. we literally went too far too soon imo.

korea is the most wealthy advanced asian country with the highest suicide rate in the whole world. every couple minutes somebody exits life there because they couldnt adapt and compete in their society.

>> No.13832665

>>13831482
I have come to the belief that service to others is a natural law. You don't even have to have religion to feel the benefits of it.

There's something magically otherworldly in self forgetting.

>> No.13832689

>>13831188
Anon, find some purpose. Train yourself, learn something, create something, be artistic.

Dont let yourself wither. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

>> No.13832695

What keep us going is the journey. Not the end.

>> No.13832696

>muh grandiosity, the thread

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Of course not.
>giving money away
is the only way.
>post wallets to help fren frens

>> No.13833295

>>13831188
shut your god damn mouth, retard

>> No.13833409 [DELETED] 

>>13833295
>being this upset over a blog
take your ritalin fren

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>>13833295
>being this upset
take your ritalin fren

>> No.13833444

>>13831188
Find some purpose in your life, damn. You can't live like a NPC with a broken pathfinding. Set goals and crush them. Whatever it is.

Learn skills, science, do things that matter, art, sport whatever you want. You are FREE

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Go to therapy
Make music

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everything you need lies within this tome. no need to thank me

>> No.13833549

>>13832620
Abstaining from stimuli becomes the new game.

>> No.13833577

>>13831188
you should start daydreaming about being one of the first space pioneers
you have the time you have the means go get it!

>> No.13833608

>>13833577
and to add to this i have an experimental program that would prove humans can take up to 30-35 G but it both needs funding and a willing test subject. first test would be done on animals of course.

>> No.13833724

>>13831188
Send me the money before you off yourself, I wouldn't have that problem

On the serious note... Try to keep some kind of self-imposed schedule, doesn't have to be hardcore something like waking up within 1-hour window, some kind of sport(gym, jogging, swimming, whatever you like), some house chore, e.g: wake up between 8 - 9, morning routine, gym from 10-11:30, ironing some clothes 11:30 - 12:00, reading (non fiction, something useful) 12:00-13:00 and the rest of the day is for you to enjoy.

Seriously regular people benefit from a schedule, I mean you can pull the wake up at 2 pm, jerkoff, smoke and play the vidya till 5 am when you are young, but it will get old eventually and if you are older than it's just sad.

>> No.13833760

>>13831188
Idiot.

>> No.13833802

>>13831188
If it's not a larp it just sounds like you need a real friend anon. It'll be hard to find such a person because everyone will be inevitably more interested in you just because you have money.

>> No.13833884

>>13831810
This is what /biz/ is about, we're all here to make it and crypto will change the world especially for those with iron hands.

>>13833724
A good life starts with a schedule, if you dont have order you cant have direction and fall into the fapper vidya neet trap.

>> No.13833902

>>13831188
Go to college and make some friends who have their own money, never tell anyone about your earning or they will never have a solid relationship with you.

>> No.13833912

>>13831188
>>13833802
Also you need to spend some serious time doing some inner self reflection and meditation. It's hard to do solo which is why I think you need a friend, especially when you're dependant on substances.
I went through something similar in my early twenties and although I still have my faults im able find happiness in an instant through mental exercises and reminders.

>> No.13833954

>>13831188
cheap fud by the elites to prevent wagies from decoupling themselves from the slavery system

>> No.13833975

>>13831188
The entirety of your depression stems from your unwillingness to experience discomfort. You don’t force yourself to do things you don’t want to do and therefore you don’t grow. Poor people at least have the pressure to do shit they don’t want to, and down the road that builds character and sense of accomplishment. The best advice you will ever get it make a list of things that frighten you and then do them.

>> No.13834504

>>13833608
what no volunteers? nobody wants to be the first starfighter?

>> No.13834512

>>13833975

Stepping out of a comfort zone is fine, but doing something you don't want to do is retarded, anon.

>> No.13834534

>>13834504
lol i watched g force videos. im good bro

>> No.13834677

>>13834534
yeah yeah you would be a pancake normally at 30 G but not with my system. it's just fuck expensive safety is a big concern also since we are talking about human lives if anything goes wrong i'm thinking triple redundant systems and 200 hours of test runs with dead weight. lot's of money.

>> No.13834754

>>13831188

My motivation is the people I care about. Without them, none of this matters. Interact with people and make meaningful connections.

>We are all in this together

>> No.13834755

Plant a garden. Cure for depression

>> No.13834773

>>13831188
meditation

>> No.13834900

>>13833608
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stapp

This dude hit 46.2g as his max g-force.

>> No.13834936

>>13831817
What is intuition?

>> No.13834998

>>13834900
i'm talking sustained tho
you can survive a 100G if it's short enough without much problems.

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>>13831188
You were born to be slave, so you can't deal with free time. It takes an aristocrat of the soul like myself to truly appreciate the life of leisure, spending my time contemplating art, philosophy, literature, natural beauty, and the mysteries of science.

>> No.13835093

>>13834998
my goal is to prove human body can sustain 35 G for 2 hours without any adverse effects which would imply it can be tolerated if not indefinitely but for much more prolonged periods.

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>>13833724
This. Can be hard to do, but following through on a set schedule, especially one where you get your important stuff knocked out earlier in the day is nice.

I run to my gym and do weight training on Monday, Wednes and Friday. I also swim on Tuesday and Thursday.

Between my weight sets at the gym, I walk around the track and switch between studying Spanish, Chinese and Mandarin.

After exercising, I shower, eat (chicken, veggies, fruit and some type of carb like pasta or oatmeal) and nap/meditate for 20 minutes with good and comfy noise cancelling headphones and block out as much light. Once my timer goes off, I'm up and feel great.

When running and gymming, I don't use my phone beyond language study. No music. Talk to some people along the way. I've got body issues, so I run back home shirtless. Sometimes stop and talk to guys and girls alike. Pretty much exposure therapy.

I tend to sleep in until 11 AM, so I'll be done by 3 PM generally and can do whatever I want the rest of the day and feel good about it. Had evening classes this Spring and I would feel better and do better thanks to routine and exercise. Hard the first two weeks. Even when I feel bad, I exercise. Keeps my routine and I feel better afterwards.

Taking summer classes in the morning, so looking at having a similar routine after class or waking up earlier and going to class.

Doing this, the highs aren't as high, but the lows aren't as low. Keeps me even keel.

Also, therapy. Should have started sooner.

>t. 32 year old boomer

>> No.13835131

>>13835093
That would be some impressive and groundbreaking research, fren. I'm hoping you're able to achieve that.

>> No.13835149

>>13835131
only if this fucking crypto makes me rich. so buy the fucking dip! all of them!

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Wtf anons, sorry to bring doom & gloom but while we're on this topic of meaning of life, take a look outside at the world our ancestors have created. WE ARE FUCKED just look at the damage plastic alone is doing to nature ie the basic necessities of life - food & water. Everything is organic, and follows the same pattern - birth, growth, maturity, decline, death. Even stars follow this pattern, so it's hardly unusual that societies & civilisations shouldn't either. Every civilisation that has ever existed has ended - that is, collapsed & died. Ours is no different and will at some point end. The head fuck for us is that we could potentially witness it.

>> No.13835226

>>13835198
that is why we need to conquer the stars start a thousand civilizations and even if 999 die we can still live on.

>> No.13835324

>>13831188
nice digits

it's sad that people like you become wealthy because the story always ends the same. You are unfulfilled because the money you acquire is supposed to be a tool used to fuel those daydreams, not be the actual daydream. There's a friend of a friend that I have who is very wealthy and uses his money and time studying and photographing birds because he loves them. He's set for life already so he follows his passion. If you end up turning to drugs with money and free time, there's something deeper going on there. Most people I guess believe that's what you're supposed to do, is party. But you can literally try and do anything you want with wealth and have a safety net. You can start any business or a farm or write a book. Throw a dart at anything and see what you can make of it.
This lesson is specifically for you, the wealth came to you to teach you this deeper meaning about your life tonshow you that there's more to it.
Good luck anon

>> No.13835488

>>13835198
You only guarantee failure if you give up. Don't.

>> No.13835563

>>13835488
What equates to failure?

>> No.13835577

>>13835563
watch planet of apes to get a good feeling of failure

>> No.13835610

>>13832051

zE27zf3
please join the /sig/ discord server, self improvement general from /fit/.

>> No.13836417

>>13835610
Not that other Anon, but an neat sounding discord channel.

>> No.13836496

>>13831941
Apparently is does matter, your consciousness will merge with the universe in the end. The universe will have benefited from your actions. You won't have the possibility to make choices anymore, but you'll still have consciousness.