Timo Harings, LINK Marine Legend or Liability?

[Anonymous No.13551979]

A marine been a follower of the project since Spring of last year and shared with me the screenshot of was alleged to be of a teammate voicing their frustration on the contributions of Timo Harings to the CLC Group.

Later, we, along with a few others who privately chat among ourselves in a private group later witnessed the counter-FUD attempts of CLC Group.

Let's face it, Timo Harings is a potentially polarizing figure. On the one hand, he's a marine through and through (and one hell of a swing trader, let's ignore his hiccup of this week). On the other hand, his tendency to "swing trade" a valuable asset to the LINK network (and horribly missing its rise), at the time of the CLC crowdsale, is questionable.

Not to mention his ultimate silence on missing the dip buy opportunity of 42 cents and his radio silence since May 2nd.

[Anonymous No.13552092]

Why you love timo so much ?

[Anonymous No.13552106]

>>13551979
He's a nonentity, best to ignore him.

[Anonymous No.13552113]

>>13551979
He hasn't been on the radio since the 2nd?! This is an outrage.

[Anonymous No.13552124]

Do you think they'll reach their softcap?
https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xe651763f0138232a67303e3eda57c9328ea66e3d

[Anonymous No.13552125]

>>13551979
first of all ill excuse youre misunderstanding of what a linkmarine is since your new...true linkmarines NEVER FUCKING SELL. Its very easy to tell what kind of guy timo is. he literally is a vanilla manlet whos played video games his whole life, look at his awkward gamer thumb. But hey ill let that go because i love games too. What i fucking hate about him is he shorted link. hes is supposedly trying to get CLC up and and then announced hes selling his link so he can buy back in at 30 cents which he miserably failed at. imagine sergey or thomas said they are selling their link, what would you think? Dosent look good no matter what angle you look at it. when you work in these types of fields you need to be professional as fuck like sergey and his team....it is because of timo i will not be investing in CLC...this isnt fud i just dont want kids taking my money and than tweeting they are shorting the same investment, its really as simple as that

[Anonymous No.13552144]

>>13552125
I'm worried that he'd take the info he learns from his work from CLC Group and use it to swing trade.

[Anonymous No.13552168]

>when you work in these types of fields you need to be professional as fuck like sergey and his team....

Linkpilled. The cube represents so much. It’s a living breathing meme

[Anonymous No.13552169]

>>13552144
of course, why wouldnt he right? CLC really needs to take action about this, i want to help them out but i just cant when they are working with children

[Anonymous No.13552207]

>>13552169
he's one of of the more vocal community members, and an avid swing trader--until now.

there's a high risk having him leveraging his growing influence, position within CLC Group, and predilection for swing trading to be abused. Proper checks must be put into place. I cannot see myself investing in CLC with people like that.

[Anonymous No.13552209]

>>13552124
hopefully some other startup (or even binance) takes over the idea if clc fails

There is so much potential that clc could be biting more than they can chew. It really hinges on how accurate burak's vision is and how good their ceo is at networking/ getting providers on board.

[Anonymous No.13552233]

>>13551979
>Not to mention his ultimate silence on missing the dip buy opportunity of 42 cents and his radio silence since May 2nd.

I hope he necked, seriously, piece of a fucking shit person this is

[Anonymous No.13552234]

>>13552169
>>13552207
why are you guys tying clc to timo every time when there are more critical issues to be addressed

what are your thoughts on these? :
>Reputation farming is going to be absolutely critical (think Ebay's seller ratings mechanic). Don't fall into the trap of mistaking this as a plug-and-forget endeavour like btc mining, it's more akin to a drop-shipping business.
>Node running is high risk high reward but suicide tier if you don't have a way to secure temporary deals with providers yourself.
>successful nodes require its operators to predict trends, thus implying the need to constantly unsubscribe and subscribe to various plans in accordance to demand fluctuation
>api tokenization creates utmost flexibility and freedom of choice for node operators while allowing providers to both demonstrate and control scarcity more directly.
>data/api as commodities, with their own markets and futures contracts

[Anonymous No.13552258]

>>13552209
clc has legit money making potential, and it was incredibly promising to see the number of api services they will have available. there's no apparent logic in selling a valuable token days before some of the highest profile events surrounding the network. further, a stronger link price appreciation actually strengthens the value argument for CLC. Timo shot himself in the foot:

1. He sold at the top (1.25 million LINK)
2. Wanted to buy back lower and double his stack
3. Leverage his future position within the Chainlink community and position within CLC to make market moves.

[Anonymous No.13552272]

>>13552209
as the other anon said in a thread, if they know chainlink 100% needs a product like CLC than you dont need us. it makes it look very sketchy that they are trying to really convince us by writing paragraphs against how we see it as a money grab. this all comes down to professionalism, if youre so certain your product is needed for the life of chainlink than i wouldnt think you want to waste your time convincing neets who have no money to contribute. They should easily reach their cap goal if what they are saying is true without the help of us even.

[Anonymous No.13552288]

>>13552258
lmfao i wonder if this pump slightly had to do with him buying back in

[Anonymous No.13552297]

>>13552125
Good post. I can't imagine it would be well received if a firm working with Link like MSFT disclosed that they are speculating on the underlying asset that they want to build the foundation of their new business on. It's reckless, unprofessional, and indefensible (imo). If I was Sergey I would be wary to NEVER officially partner with clcg after a misstep like this. Frankly there is just too much on the line with the 4IR to risk your reputation for something like this. Sergey and the people who have been working on this aren't doing it just for the money. They are doing it to change the world.
>>13552144
>I'm worried that he'd take the info he learns from his work from CLC Group and use it to swing trade.
Exactly. By engaging in swing trading, Timo (and clcg by association) shows where his true priorities are. Not even going to discuss the crowdsale as this is a Timo thread. Make your own judgement there.

[Anonymous No.13552305]

>>13552234
timo does work for clc, hes on the team

[Anonymous No.13552363]

>>13552272
true. That's my biggest concern as well. irrc the reply was that biz is pretty much the only place where anons really understood the potential of the network - we've been here since ground zero. LP wasn't funded by VC either - it wouldnt have been possible

The issue here isn't about their confidence, but about how so far there hasn't been much discussion on these topics, almost as if biz literally thinks it'll be the same as mining with no work required

[Anonymous No.13552368]

>>13552297
Timo got greedy:
1. High-visibility within the Chainlink community
2. Easily in the top 30 of Chainlink investors with well over 1.25 million LINK
3.Early shareholder within CLC Group
4. Access to confidential info through CLC Group


I mean, what could go wrong?

[Anonymous No.13552388]

>>13552258
>He sold at the top (1.25 million LINK)
How do you know how much he holds?

[Anonymous No.13552394]

>>13552388
he bragged about it. how else?

[Anonymous No.13552398]

>>13551979
Can I see a recent picture of you, fucking lard-ass?

[Anonymous No.13552421]

>>13552394
>he bragged about it. how else?
On twitter? Damn seems risky to broadcast your bags like that.

[Anonymous No.13552448]

>>13552421
Burak and co should lay down the law and established order before Chainlink mainnet.

[Anonymous No.13552455]

>>13552305
he's a shareholder and would also have access to funds.

[Anonymous No.13552466]

>>13552233
>silence
the epitome of stealth

[Anonymous No.13552486]

>>13552455
most of what you've been saying is unverifiable and makes no business sense

[Anonymous No.13552494]

>>13552486
Timo has been spotted

[Anonymous No.13552603]

[Anonymous No.13553089]

bump for new linkers so they dont get burned by timo

[Anonymous No.13553140]

no marine uses status to send false sell signals for personal gain. this is stolen valor and his actions are treasonous. CLC is not to be trusted, that much is obvious.

[Anonymous No.13553164]

>>13552169
Spoiler alerts: they're all kids

[Anonymous No.13553165]

>>13551979
I like how the headshot cuts off just before you can see his tits

[Anonymous No.13553213]

>>13553140
perhaps the anon comments that purportedly were from a clc member was 100% true. haven't heard much from him since.

[Anonymous No.13553229]

>>13551979
>A marine been a follower of the project since Spring of last year and shared with me the screenshot of was alleged to be of a teammate voicing their frustration on the contributions of Timo Harings to the CLC Group.
An obvious tongue in cheek larp

>Later, we, along with a few others who privately chat among ourselves in a private group later witnessed the counter-FUD attempts of CLC Group.
The discord is public, their statement was succinct and obvious to all but the easily manipulated fools

Big brains discuss concepts and ideas, not individuals
Have you contacted providers yet? No one ever answers this. That's all I need to know about their core thesis, which remains unfuded and unrefuted.

[Anonymous No.13553232]

>>13552448
Heikki and Timo met on his German crypto group. They decided it would be good to start a team with some of the more ambitious anons here and gain a chance to raise money off the dumbest amongst us. They made it look like it was organic having Timo join but it assuredly wasn't. I'm sure most of us had thoughts of how to capitalize on link but to dump on the community your asking for funds from? Holy shit

[Anonymous No.13553240]

>>13551979
>let's ignore his hiccup of this week
Let's not. The whole point of NOT swinging is to avoid these little "hiccups" you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.13553247]

>>13553213
>OP
>12 posts by this id
>all of which are low effort disinfo

[Anonymous No.13553249]

>>13553232
I guess we were not supposed to see through the sheer absurdity of their smoke and mirrors.

[Anonymous No.13553256]

>>13553229
Hi CCL

[Anonymous No.13553260]

>>13553247
way to protect your vanilla manlet

[Anonymous No.13553284]

>>13553247
what disinfo? there are clear conflicts of interests

[Anonymous No.13553285]

>allowing timo to withdraw ur linkies
> identity vetting in a trustless manner using the Chainlink network. However, this solution will not be available in the near future

gawd this guys are full of shit, not available on the near future coz they dont know wtf they are doing and they just want access to ur linkies b careful anon

[Anonymous No.13553356]

>>13553285
I'd rather run a node with NEET Node 74 from from rural and suburban retards or a credible pool with John/LP than this fat DYEL Timmo fuck.

Not gonna lie, former Timo supporter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Timmo crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

[Anonymous No.13553389]

The clc black pill is that there's numerous other discord trannies spreading disinformation behind the scenes to guage response and learn from CLC's mistakes so they can decide whether or not to jump in with similar projects. Some might be better that clc, some might be worse. Regardless I wont invest in clc or any of their competitors since there's no reason to put money in anything but link. That being said most of the fud is obviously discord tier.

[Anonymous No.13553400]

this has been the trend:
1. create timo thread
2. pretends to focus on teemo but subtly drags clc into it
3. baseless accusations on timo as an attempt to bring down burak because they're somewhat connected

Criticism is great, that's how we can refine ideas, but so far none has addressed the main issues:

>Reputation farming is going to be absolutely critical (think Ebay's seller ratings mechanic). Don't fall into the trap of mistaking this as a plug-and-forget endeavour like btc mining, it's more akin to a drop-shipping business.
>Node running is high risk high reward but suicide tier if you don't have a way to secure temporary deals with providers yourself.
>successful nodes require its operators to predict trends, thus implying the need to constantly unsubscribe and subscribe to various plans in accordance to demand fluctuation
>api tokenization creates utmost flexibility and freedom of choice for node operators while allowing providers to both demonstrate and control scarcity more directly.
>data/api as commodities, with their own markets and futures contracts

[Anonymous No.13553413]

Timo may be a naive idiot but there are real cutthroat people attacking clc right now because it benefits them. You're being tested, marines. Think of the implications. Understand that once node running goes live, we will all be competitors. Understand the perspective of mid sized whales, they don't want you to get cheap high value data, they don't want your nodes to get ahead. CLC is doing more to help you than its fuders.

[Anonymous No.13553416]

I would actually be a support of the CLC group, should they force Timo to shut his trap and add value to the CLC Group.

If he does business, the last thing I want to see is him circle jerking himself on swing trades when theres bigger fish to capture in the ocean by dominating the API Economy.

[Anonymous No.13553434]

>>13553400
pic related - during LP ico there was consistent narrative on how LP is centralized scam and biz should always learn to run a node yourself, but now we're being told to not run a node and let LP handle everything or just hold link?

[Anonymous No.13553448]

>>13553434
It's really obvious. Hard to tell if it's organized or legit stupidity.

[Anonymous No.13553450]

>>13553434
we arent agruing what is better to do, we are putting timo unprofessional behavior on the spotlight. imagine if johhny from linkpool announced to the world hes shorting link. If they cant even close their mouths about positions what else are they doing to hurt their own company and look

[Anonymous No.13553468]

>>13553232
are you aware of how easy it is to set-up a company in Estonia? do you know how anxious the Estonians are for fintech?

Timo and Co are aiming to raise money off of you and MAY deliver. emphasis on may.

[Anonymous No.13553472]

>>13553389
If the fud is "discord tier" then you should have no problem dismantling it. Instead you are crying about trannies.
>>13553400
>2. pretends to focus on teemo but subtly drags clc into it
Of course clc will inevitably get dragged into it. They are his most directly known associates. It's extremely unfortunate for them that his actions now overshadow their crowdsale. You're right that clc seeks to solve important issues and I would not be surprised to see them face fierce competition in the near future. That does not mean that the enormous valuation they gave themselves for this crowdsale is justified. As we see more competitors appear and linkpool unveil their wares, clc may be forced to pivot. I would rather wait and take less risk later by seeing their product actually in use before risking my investment that could otherwise be placed in the underlying protocol itself. Clearly that is where Timo himself has focused his priorities as well.

[Anonymous No.13553474]

>>13553450
well said.

[Anonymous No.13553479]

The team won't fire him but if he were wise, he would decide to leave by himself for the sake of everyone involved. What a shitty situation it must be for the others.

[Anonymous No.13553489]

>>13553472
I'd rather pay money for a LP share or set up my node with AWS and FIEWS

[Anonymous No.13553492]

>>13553450
>we are putting timo's unprofessional behavior on the spotlight
true until >>13553416 started dragging clc into this

disclaimer: I have strong interest in seeing honeycomb become a reality as that would benefit me as a small-time node operator, of which I hope to be a significant demographic of marines.

The interest wouldn't have been as strong if fudders could actually address the core of value proposition that honeycomb /nodary is trying to solve

[Anonymous No.13553498]

>>13553479
Timo drags down the CLC project. He made a name for himself by swing trading, until that ran out.

[Anonymouse No.13553505]

>>13553413
This.

[Anonymous No.13553515]

>>13553492
again if you read my replies i said i enjoy the idea of clc too i got nothing against it but timos behavior, im not investing in a company that shorts their own investment, childish behavior. If he kept his mouth shit none of these threads would even be up

[Anonymous No.13553517]

>>13553492
there is SIGNIFICANT upside for the business model CLC aims to execute on. However, I question their business acumen when someone chooses to announce his market exit (sizable position) a few days prior to the CLC crowdsale.

It's almost like it was timed to "seed" the crowdsale.

[Anonymous No.13553529]

>>13553472
>it's extremely unfortunate for the that his actions now overshadow their crowdsale
fucking kek if only there weren't so much convenient half-truths and fud campaigns

>I'd would rather wait and take less risk
No objections on that but your actions show your desire to discourage potential competition from small-time nodes

[Anonymous No.13553539]

>>13553285

u > deposit funds on escrow 100k linkies
timo > withdraws 20k for verification
timo > oh i think linkies price wud drop sell ur linkies
-----1 hr later price shoot up to 1k
u > saw price increase soo happy check escrow to withdraw omg 20k is missing
u > clcg aka timo where my linkies
timo&clcg > silence
-------1 hr later
clcg > we are sorry but timo exit scammed
timo > goes to thailand goes full tranny
u > lost 20M

[Anonymous No.13553540]

The timo fud was supposed to be a joke, this is who we are and what we do. A hazing, a negotiation tactic, a hard filter. The issues were not Timo but the valuation and the unclear vision. They deserved some backlash but we also need them to succeed. They halved their proposition, exposed serious plans and high level vision, and we're still bitching about Timo. Some actually believe that was the issue and still fud it unironically because they repeat effective memes. Right now it's clear we fuded TOO hard. The narrative needs to be corrected. The goal is to reach the soft cap, not to destroy them completely.

[Anonymous No.13553544]

>>13553529
how many replies does it take? are you not reading that everyone loves the idea of clc and what we dont like is timo shorting link? there is no fud...no one wants to give money to a child do you understand that?

[Anonymous No.13553547]

>>13553515
>>13553517

it has been explained again and again that timo isn't a critical member in the team, it's burak you should be looking into

[Anonymous No.13553563]

>>13553539

u > deposit funds on escrow 100k linkies
timo > withdraws 20k for verification
timo > oh i think linkies price wud drop sell ur linkies
-----1 hr later price drops 10%
timo&clcg > buys back and deposits again to escrow tnx for the 10% anon

either way with timo u just lose

[Anonymous No.13553568]

You fucking retards they recruited people FROM BIZ, YOU KNOW THE ONLY PLACE WITH THE SINGLE GOAL OF PARTING YOU FROM YOUR SHEKELS?

[Anonymous No.13553572]

>>13553547
Do you understand timo works for burak right? Dosent matter if its full time or part time or an hour a month, why is it so hard for you to understand that theres people who dont want to give money to a team member that shorts the same investment hes working?

[Anonymous No.13553594]

>>13552125

>it is because of timo i will not be investing in CLC

very much this.
i'm honestly disappointed as i was expecting similar gains to my Linkpool investment, but this Timo character just couldn't shut the fuck up

shame really

[Anonymous No.13553638]

>>13553572
>Timo is part of clc
>therefore timo's actions are direct commands from burak

that's a highly insecure argument
considering their recruiting process it's more likely that there are no official structure within the group, and everybody just does whatever they want as long as they do their job.

Timo's actions were entirely his own and not representative of clc

[Anonymous No.13553643]

>>13553638
>t. not a team member

[Anonymous No.13553657]

>>13553638
If Burak is the head guy, he should establish order. Otherwise his valuable project will not get the funding it needs. Unless Timo decides to fund it himself. Which we know he will not do. It's more profitable to swing-trade instead to accumulate his already massive holdings.

[Anonymous No.13553670]

>>13553638
>considering their recruiting process it's more likely that there are no official structure within the group, and everybody just does whatever they want as long as they do their job
well geez anon when you put it that way..
shut up and take my money!

CLC trannies running out of runway kek

[Anonymous No.13553674]

>>13553657
fair point, sorry for shitting the thread

[Anonymous No.13553676]

>>13553529
>fucking kek if only there weren't so much convenient half-truths and fud campaigns
Such as? You are acting like there is no reason to be questioning Timo's actions and by extension, the actions of his associates. If this were the case, none of the fud would even stick. But as explained ITT, it's reasonable for people to have their doubts.
Why did they even try to mask the actual valuation they were asking for in the first place? Did they or did they not conceal the fact that they were selling a 3% stake for approx: $700k under the guise that it was a 10% stake? Is this just baseless fud? I'm asking seriously, this is your chance to clear things up for me, as it is what I saw being spread when anons drilled down into this a while back. Why would you pretend to sell 100k tokens when you are in fact returning 70k of those tokens to the team? Do you see how this stands up in comparison to Sergey's presale which actually went above and beyond by compensating a bonus to investors for an increase in eth that happened while investors were locked up in the sale. Not to mention his decision to honor presale pools that went over the agreed limit of contributions, which was supposed to result in a refund.

[Anonymous No.13553679]

>>13553638
So if someone stole the funds no one can be blamed?

[Anonymous No.13553682]

>>13553472
Great take, I agree for the most part. I only used the discord trannies ad hominem as it's been commonly used against clc proponents here. I agree with waiting back until at least post-mainnet to see what the chainlink ecosystem starts to look like before throwing money anywhere. It's just the contrarian in me hates seeing the narrative get pushed to one side with low tier fud

[Anonymous No.13553696]

>>13553670
>every anon that tries to create a balanced narrative is a clc member

[Anonymous No.13553703]

Why would any not simply hold chainlink? Why risk any of this shit at all? This is serious fucking money on the line boys. For many of you this is your ONE chance to make it. Don't fuck it up gambling with these retards

[Anonymous No.13553711]

>>13552388
last i heard it was 800k

[Anonymous No.13553718]

>>13553679
allowing anyone but heikki/burak to control the funds would be a brainlet move and if that ever happens I'd be the first to short clc

[Anonymous No.13553734]

>>13553517
I agree it's unprofessional, but if anything I'd say his actions would hurt the crowd sale not "seed" it no? Maybe he was hoping to lead multiple linkies on a successful swing in hopes that they'd put some of their earning into CLC tokens as a sign of gratitude? Idk

[Anonymous No.13553735]

>>13553703
just incase you missed it, here are your reasons (doesn't apply if you're not an aspiring small-time node operator though):

>Reputation farming is going to be absolutely critical (think Ebay's seller ratings mechanic). Don't fall into the trap of mistaking this as a plug-and-forget endeavour like btc mining, it's more akin to a drop-shipping business.
>Node running is high risk high reward but suicide tier if you don't have a way to secure temporary deals with providers yourself.
>successful nodes require its operators to predict trends, thus implying the need to constantly unsubscribe and subscribe to various plans in accordance to demand fluctuation
>api tokenization creates utmost flexibility and freedom of choice for node operators while allowing providers to both demonstrate and control scarcity more directly.
>data/api as commodities, with their own markets and futures contracts

[Anonymous No.13553773]

>>13553718
And pull a quadriga

[Anonymous No.13554352]

>>13551979


Not giving the CLC group money only because Timo is associated with the group.

[Anonymous No.13554425]

>>13554352
Timo buys back now

[Anonymous No.13555143]

>>13553413
It's not because it benefits us.
Quite the opposite...we're calling out what we see as bullshit so undeserving individuals do not receive a large sum of funds without being bound to any terms. For a company consulting for smart contracts, the terms of their fund raising agreement fall short for the investor. Ironic?

[Anonymous No.13555465]

>>13552368
The loudest are the weakest. The silent are the ones with the largest stacks.

[Anonymous No.13555747]

>>13555465
but in this case, he's high profile in the community, publicly signal's his trades, and could be in in a position for greater influence. He should walk carefully is all I'm saying.


And CLC should screen their team better.

[Anonymous No.13556853]

>>13553676
Bumping for response to this

[Anonymous No.13556869]

>>13553638

>
considering their recruiting process it's more likely that there are no official structure within the group, and everybody just does whatever they want as long as they do their job.

>clc the first descentralized team with descentralized management

top kek

[Anonymous No.13557232]

>>13552209
>>13552297
>>13553229
KYS your Discord Tranny is showing.

>>13552124
HA!
No.

>>13553400
You're dumb.
There are brighter people working on reputation systems than Timo and his faggot he found playing Street fighter.

If you guys think this is a good project invest in it.
Quit shilling you shit on this board.
Anyone with a modicum of common sense would NEVER invest in your cash grab.
I'm working on a competing product that will be free to use (at cost).
Fuck you guys.

[Anonymous No.13557281]

>>13553682
>low tier
Way to attempt to derail the concern we have for the success of CLC Group as part of the growing network of services and applications using Chainlink.

[Anonymous No.13557295]

>>13553773
That's why you need to stretch first.

[Anonymous No.13557332]

>>13557232
you guys have been trying to drown this out with baseless accusations and extraordinary claims so allow me to bump it once more:
>>13553400

[Anonymous No.13557403]

>>13556853
sorry, missed this >>13553676:

the initial valuation was 600k for 10%, now lowered to 300k by means of a soft cap. To put things in context LP's softcap equilvalent was 250k for 10%. Anything else were exaggerations. I have no idea where you get those ideas from since the team had been very clear

[Anonymous No.13557488]

It's simple, fire Timo and your business will win back some good faith with investors

[Anonymous No.13557770]

You idiots do so much background research on these fucking faggot people and other shit and it's why you will eventually cash out early.. ignorance is bliss stress free of having to worry about fud3 or any other bullshit just let the money sit there like a good goy and you will rewarded

[Anonymous No.13557805]

>>13551979
TIMO IS A FAGGOT THAT MAKES FINREKT LOOK LIKE SERGEY. I hope Timo is unable to buy back in under a dollar. CLC can take their scam over to Tron or Verge. IF YOU CANT SPOT THE CLC TEAM MEMBERS IN THIS THREAD TRYING TO DO DAMAGE CONTROL AND SPIN A WEB OF LIES YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR MONEY.

[Anonymous No.13557898]

>>13557805
Where are your arguments?

[Anonymous No.13557950]

>>13557898
Fuck off Tim

[Anonymous No.13557976]

>>13557898
suck a fat one CLC scum, take your Estonian exit scam project to reddit and leave it off biz. Plebbitors at least deserve to be scammed, not my fellow bizbros.

[Anonymous No.13558082]

>>13557950
>>13557976
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.13558177]

>>13558082
I agree, it’s more of an obvious statement.