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Can anyone stop it?

>> No.13468474

Realistically where is Ethereum going to end up price wise?

>> No.13468486

eth doesnt work brainlet

>> No.13468497

How much ETH does one need to make it?

>> No.13468524

Why contain it? S'cool.

>> No.13468548

>>13468486
Lol nice explanation

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>>13468417
Yes in the future ETH will be nothing but a virtual simulator running on bsv for fags that want to “relive” old memories much like Nintendo emulators

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>>13468486
the ETH doesn't work argument is so dumb. I'd rather have "not working" eth than BEETCONE.

Even in its "not working" state, it does more than bitcorn.

>> No.13468612

>>13468417
Crypto kitties

>> No.13468624

>>13468598
Try downloading the full ETH blockchain and then the btc blockchain. You'll notice a difference. One is 10 times the size of the other.

>> No.13468656

>>13468417
did they solve scaling ? Or will it go bust with a single working dapp again ?

>> No.13469167

>>13468497
32

>> No.13469370

>>13468598
>MUH THE FLIPPINING

>> No.13469389

>>13468417
From going to 0? Unlikely.

>> No.13469407

>>13469167
Make it, not stake it

>> No.13469440

Who would use eth when you can run eth dapps on Fantom in a couple of months?

Answer...no one.

>> No.13469445

>>13468624

Are you on drugs?

>> No.13469459

>>13469445
What's the issue? Just try to download the full ETH blockchain, in a decentralized crypto that's the most important thing.

Then try to download the full btc blockchain.

Why am I on drugs when I ask you to do something and then compare it?

>> No.13469475

>>13469459
actually the full (non-archive) eth blockchain is still tiny and will fit in a $30 ssd

just because your btc fits in a floppy disk doesn't mean it's correct in 2019

>inb4 muh non-archive eth node
it's still a 100% full transaction node. who the FUCK needs an archive, it's every single evm state ever known, does your computer save back ups for EVERY state? No as long as you have all the transactions you can still RECALCULATE every state ever.

>> No.13469498

>>13468417
Ethereum will be nothing but a novelty sidechain of Bitcoin (BSV), run for nostalgic purposes by a handful of autistic NEETs to play with their antique 'smart contracts' and 'chain links' like so many neckbeards with Gamecube emulators or something

>> No.13469521

>>13469440
Exactly, rip Eth, it was nice while it lasted...

>> No.13469552

>>13469475
The state of ETH fanboys....

>You don't need the full blockchain

>> No.13469584

>>13469459
They are same size you fucking mongo lol

>> No.13469662

>>13469584
Did you actually try?

https://etherscan.io/chartsync/chainarchive

The fact that people here don't even know the actual size of the full ETH blockchain is actually alarming.

Furthermore, for those that claim "pruned" blockchains are fine without advocating for full ETH blockchain nodes tell me you guys think "don't trust, verify" is just a recommendation, not a rule.

>>13469475
When you write something to the blockchain, that's it. You can't edit that state anymore (unless you're Vitalik and when your smart contract gets hacked you rewrite the blockchain to refund your investors). But for you to know that's the current state, a full history needs to be available and it should exist as much as possible so you can verify. Without the history, you can't verify. To know the most recent state is fine for transacting in most cases but for a decentralized, trust-less network, it violates those principles. Again, you guys think "don't trust, verify" is just a recommendation.

But then again, I've seen worst shills that don't even bother with crypto principles anymore. As long as it makes them money and they can dump their bags onto someone else it's fine.

>> No.13470344

>>13469552
>>13469662
did you morons actually read my post

i distinctly say it's still the full blockchain transaction history, all you need to recompute and verify anything at any block.

what it ISN'T is a bloated backup for every state at every block (archive node which is 2tb now) because a full node can still verify ANYTHING by going running it's full transaction history again.

>> No.13470369

>>13469662
https://etherscan.io/chartsync/chaindefault

is the actually full blockchain node you're looking for. every single tx.

>> No.13470765 [DELETED] 

>>13470344
so wait, ETH purposefully has a bloated blockchain where you purposefully develop algorithms to prune (aka delete) stuff from that blockchain so it's not bloated?

I decided to dig deeper.

https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/06/26/state-tree-pruning/

>Essentially, we store the tree nodes that are part of the current state, and we even store recent history, but we do not store history older than 5000 blocks.

> X (the number of blocks) should be set as low as possible to conserve space, but setting X too low compromises robustness: once this technique is implemented, a node cannot revert back more than X blocks without essentially completely restarting synchronization.

> although there is an important argument for keeping some subset of "archive nodes" that store absolutely everything so as to help the rest of the network acquire the data that it needs.

So these "archive" nodes are "important". Yet, they are discouraged by people that say "you don't need it" and by the cost.


>>13470369
> https://etherscan.io/chartsync/chaindefault

Even going by this, 216 GB in 4 years but BTC's blockchain is 214 GB and it's been running for 10 years. I'm pretty sure ETH needs L2 scaling badly but somehow bitcoin is experimenting with that before ETH.

>> No.13470778

>>13468417
Ethereum is stopping itself. total clusterfuck.
>posting in another ETH desperation shill thread

>> No.13470797

>>13468656
this - ETH is killed by any single popular app even though most of the data has to be stored and served from a regular ol' offchain server running javascript

>> No.13470799

>>13470344
so wait, ETH purposefully has a bloated blockchain where you purposefully develop algorithms to prune (aka delete) stuff from that blockchain so it's not bloated?

I decided to dig deeper.

https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/06/26/state-tree-pruning/

>Essentially, we store the tree nodes that are part of the current state, and we even store recent history, but we do not store history older than 5000 blocks.

> X (the number of blocks) should be set as low as possible to conserve space, but setting X too low compromises robustness: once this technique is implemented, a node cannot revert back more than X blocks without essentially completely restarting synchronization.

> although there is an important argument for keeping some subset of "archive nodes" that store absolutely everything so as to help the rest of the network acquire the data that it needs.

So these "archive" nodes are "important". Yet, they are discouraged by people that say "you don't need it" and by the cost.


>>13470369
> https://etherscan.io/chartsync/chaindefault

Even going by this, 216 GB in 4 years but BTC's blockchain is 214 GB and it's been running for 10 years. I'm pretty sure ETH needs L2 scaling more than BTC but somehow bitcoin is experimenting with that before ETH. Yet, in 2019, we call BTC old tech. The irony is great.

>> No.13470903

>>13470799
>https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/06/26/state-tree-pruning/
imagine thinking a 2015 article has the latest info on ethereum nodes.

https://dev.to/5chdn/the-ethereum-blockchain-size-will-not-exceed-1tb-anytime-soon-58a

clearly explains:

But is this to be considered a full Ethereum node? Yes:

It runs a full blockchain synchronization starting at genesis.
It replays all transactions and executes all contracts.
It recomputes the state for each block.
It keeps all historical blocks on the disk.
It keeps the most recent states on the disk and prunes ancient states.

Something an Ethereum client never does is deleting old blocks. This is a significant difference between Bitcoin and Ethereum because pruning a Bitcoin node does not leave any choice but removing old blocks. With this context available, it's easier to understand why users often think a pruned Ethereum node is not a full node. But now, dear reader, you know the opposite is true. :)

>> No.13470924

>>13470903
this article is by Afri btw, (ex) release manager for ethereum foundation + works for parity. so it's definitely correct.

>> No.13470938

>>13470799
i'll admit, 200 GB is a decent amount. but for in 2019 that amount of storage is barely impactful (two AAA games).

>> No.13471090

>>13470938

I'm looking at the chart comparisons and everything from 26 GB to 385 GB is considered as a "full node"

That made me chuckle. Pruning is deleting information or you're summarizing the result and deleting the history to get to it.

Still, if you're a new node and you look at the disk space right after a sync completes, how much bandwidth did you use? Is it the exact amount as the disk usage?

To me, it seems like that's not the case. Furthermore, it still doesn't challenge the fact that archive nodes needs to exist and for a decentralized system, it needs to exist in a decentralized manner which means as many people need to run it as possible.

>>13470938
No, that's not the point. It's 200 GB in 4 years. The rate of growth is what's important. The archive nodes are gonna take a huge beating if you look at the rate of how fast that's growing. They will become more centralized or cease to exist, but you seem to be ok with that.

There's also the factor of bandwidth to consider which is also important, especially in developing countries.

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>>13468417
>he doesn't know about HOLOCHAIN
>he doesn't know about FANTOM

>> No.13471123

>>13468656
No, they did not solve scaling. Money Skelly (soon to be known simple as "skelly") decided to go PoS so he can dump his tokens on retards buying up ETH to stake. Then he's going to stroke himself in public as a full time hobby

>> No.13471139

>>13468474
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