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13258102 No.13258102 [Reply] [Original]

What chances do I have without formal qualifications?

Goddamn it I need to get out of this rut and make money. So tired of my normal wagie job.

>> No.13258137

>>13258102

Self taught software developer here. Came from a STEM background with no qualifications. Did a bunch of a projects to get my feet wet and then did an internship which gave me the foundation I needed. That was 2 years ago

Have worked in Europe, South America and India remotely, am now working remotely 5 minutes from the beach; rock climb and surf regularly; and have a qt 3.14 trad gf with a dancer's body.

It's possible anon. Trust me.

>> No.13258146

>>13258102

Also, am making 6 figures.

>> No.13258148

>>13258137
Sure it's possible but you specifically are larping.

>> No.13258165

>>13258148
Look, guy, it's unconventional - I admit - but it's the life I shaped for myself. I'm just trying to let OP here know it can work and you can carve out a nice life for yourself.

>> No.13258168

>>13258102
pretty comfy if your boss is not a dick and you don't have to deal with retarded pajeets

>> No.13258170

>>13258137
This anon is a total outlier first of all a CS grad will always be chosen over you all other qualifications being equal. Secondly you will have to be pretty god damn amazing at programming to have a fully remote role 2 years into your first job. Third the market is completely saturated at the entry level even counting only CS grads. Fourth this anon willingly traveled to India so his post is probably bait

>> No.13258186

Programming is mind numbing work. Don't do it

>> No.13258202

>>13258170

Admittedly, I did get Giardia and shat nothing but water for weeks after getting back stateside.

I love /biz/ but it gets me down that everyone here's so fucking skeptical. I don't think I'm an outlier, I just don't look for work with the huge tech companies - they'll suck out your soul and leave you dead (golden handcuff's and the such).

You've got a much better shot working for a dev shop. If you're not completely retarded they won't give a damn if you work in their office or Alaska.

>> No.13258203

>>13258137
how much time in a day did you spent on honing ur craft?
a ballpark estimate would suffice

>> No.13258213

>>13258186
I mean, you can say that about any job that you don't like. I love it because it's like solving puzzles and every problem is different - unless you're some mindless template monkey.

If you want to code for a living, at least like it.

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13258221

>>13258102
I already know how to code.
How do I learn accounting without dying from boredom? Where do you study for CPA shit without killing yourself?

>> No.13258226

Quite a bit on tutorials until I realized they can only get you so far. At that point I had to make the uncomfortable jump into applying that into real projects.

From there it was stack overflow and frustration for a few months until things got streamlined out of a memory. Still, I use stack overflow all the time , but it gets a lot easier when you figure out "what questions to ask".

>> No.13258241

I am unironically getting my girlfriend to learn how to code.

The industry is literally bursting with "GirlsCode" bullshit right now it will be easy as fuck for her to do brainlet frontend bullshit while one of you cucks do overtime fixing her shit tier code while I plow her after work.

t. FinanceChad

>> No.13258242

>>13258203
At least 4 hours a day on tutorials at first. Forgot to link you on my previous reply. My bad.

>> No.13258263

>>13258241
Lol, good fucking luck. Any serious developer understands that's a meme. They'll pass her down to the least common denominator SJW cuck who'll turn her into your worst fucking nightmare.

You'll love it up until she tells you it's her turn and gets out the peg, anon.

>> No.13258283

>>13258146
>six figures
this means nothing if you don't state where you live

>> No.13258292

>>13258263
>You'll love it up until she tells you it's her turn and gets out the peg, anon.

kek

>> No.13258306

>>13258263
I've seen this happen time and time again

>> No.13258312

>>13258283

6 figures is 6 figures, anon. It means nothing if you don't know how to handle finances properly.

>> No.13258325

>>13258137
good for you anon give me at least some hope. I too am from a STEM background (mechanical engineering) but I hate working for shlomo. with coding I hope I can at least work for myself or in a field that I actually have interest in.

I am makin good money (could be better but that's always the case), so STEM wasn't a meme in that regard for me. but I can't imagine doing this forever.

>> No.13258348

>>13258312
don't be obtuse, pajeet
would you rather i give you 100,000 JPY or 100,000 USD

>> No.13258360

>>13258325

I feel your pain, anon. I still feel like STEM was a scam to funnel in intelligent folk into some terrible profit drive machine.

At least programming still somewhat of an untamed field with opportunities that let you be your own boss if you can sell your skill set correctly. STEM's been institutionalized into squeezing out every last drop until automation takes over.

>> No.13258368

>>13258348

Jesus, do I write like a jap? I'm obviously Western, anon

>> No.13258372

>>13258312
my point is that 60k in one place is well over six figures in another
simply saying "i make six figures" doesn't really mean much if the cost of living there is ridiculous

>> No.13258383

>>13258372

It's manageable, anon - I promise.

>> No.13258396

Get that coding job but then look to migrate within the company to IT Security or Project Mgmt. Then you can make big boy money in an IT field that isn't constantly getting outsourced to pajeets like coding.

https://www.fosster.com/industry-reports/2017_RHT_salary-guide.pdf

>> No.13258416

>>13258368
i could've said 100,000 TRY or any currency, but if you're going to be intentionally retarded and evasive for no reason, there's no point in continuing this conversation

>> No.13258555

>>13258202
Hey, my situation is nearly identical. Except living in the States.

>> No.13258581

I feel like programming is headed to where the average business is just going to hire someone who can get programs and apps running and have some basic coding abilities. The average business isn't a tech company so they won't care or even understand if the shit you code runs at linear time or log(n). I'm often seeing threads on reddit's programming and computer science subreddits along the lines of..
>"35 year old woman here! mother of 2, never really dealt with computers in my life but thanks to this subreddit, after 1 year I got my first job doing python!"
or
>"40 year old garbage truck driver here, i learned to code and thanks to this subreddit in six months i got my first job in web dev"

Shit like that. Really felt like CS was a meme and maybe I should have gone for CIS.

>> No.13258595

>>13258581
The average programmer has poor skills. CS degree or not, so yes your degree is in fact a meme.

>> No.13258602

>>13258221
Why would you do that. Accounting is brainlet work

>> No.13258617

>>13258581

Yeah, I have a lot of colleagues who got a CS degree and after a few years realized that a lot of what they learned was more theoretical than applicable.

Data structures were solid though apparently, but they also admitted they could have just bought a book for that and not spent 30k on an an education.

>> No.13258641

>>13258581

>study computer science
>learn about runtime, debugging, efficiency, algorithms
>single mother of 2 niglets gets a code monkey job over you cause she has life experience and is less likely to be uppity due to her niglets needing fed

>> No.13258647

>>13258581

I've been a dev for 3 years and I don't recall a single time when I've written an algorithm where I needed to optimize the time or space complexity. Most of the time you just call a lib that handles the hard stuff for you. Of course, you have to practice bullshit algo questions all day long if you want to ace programming interviews which is highly annoying.

>> No.13258696

>>13258617
Legit, after data structures I'm 100% confident that everything else you could just learn yourself.

>> No.13258714

>>13258595
Pretty much this. There's a huge difference between the person who went into CS but could have been a physicist and the person who went into CS to get a job. The former should be able to psuedocode an entire solution on a napkin after they've been at it for 10 years. The dude who just did it to be a professional will be shit at the job and can hopefully pivot to sales or support or network administration.

>> No.13258728

>>13258696
Hackers can learn it themselves. Engineers cannot. Completely different mindsets.

You can actually learn all of CS on your own and innovate on it if you understand the scientific method and are the type to think in patterns instead of pictures.

>> No.13258846

>>13258241
>>13258263
This.
Doubt your self-proclaimed Chadhood.
You should teach her to cook, clean up the house and breed / take care for children.
The moment she will enter the corporate ladder on woman-easy mode it's ogre.

>> No.13259233

im a nigger working in warehouses the past 3 years. 0 references, dropped out of college dont plan on going to college. how do i go zero to hero
is it really easy as lmao get a portfolio wit them projects n shiets?

>> No.13259338

I self-taught myself programming and attended a public free course where i obtained my certificate. Took me 4 months of unpaid slavery and studying also internship but i fucking did it. The blackpill of programming is that senior developers just get paid more because all the shit you are experiencing is something they have already done in the past. Heck there were times where i asked some seniors about something and theyre like idk google it or search it. Im like okay you have 10yrs of experience and y dont know what @Qualifier means in Spring. Anyways to the point its possible. Expect a lot of days and nights studying also wknds. 4 months you will be a basement nigger.

>>13259233
Yo nigger you actually need to code as well bcs to get a job they will make you tests and shit.

>> No.13259444

>>13258728
>Hackers can learn it themselves. Engineers cannot. Completely different mindsets.

Could you expand on this? I've never heard about this distinction.

>> No.13259462

>>13258728
not this bullshit again
any professional software engineer can learn a new programming language within a month
if you can't, you are not professional

>> No.13259470

>>13258102
Real talk, You'll need a degree to get a real job in the US. There are companies that'll hire a programmer without a degree, but they're only willing to do so because they'll pay half or a third of what a programmer with a degree would expect. Most businesses realize that the potential savings isn't worth bringing someone on that's going to push out garbage code. Basically, you'll be working for the cheapest most disorganized company around for close to what you're making now. The only reason you'd want to do this is if you were going to get a degree at some point in the future.

Programming really isn't a great choice if you're looking for an easy gig that pays well. Look into help desk jobs and get an associates if you're not interested in going to school. Get a bachelors in CS and go into system administration if you enjoy working with computers. Programming is much more difficult than power cycling people's computers.

>> No.13260099

>>13258170
market is really not that over saturated. It can be tough for very entry level, but after your first job its not hard. By brother doesnt even have a CS degree, he took some applied multimedia program, got hired direct form co-op and is making 80k as an iOS dev after being out of school for two years. He has constant messages from recruiters, and has been offered interviews for jobs pushing 100k. Also has the option for full remote.
People that say software is over saturated are simply wrong.
I dont have a CS degree, but have a STEM degree. I self-taught for about a year, and started applying to jobs a few weeks ago. Don't have a job yet, but two interviews this week as a junior. To put that in perspective I applied for over 4 months as a chem grad with solid research experience and gpa before getting my first interview

>> No.13260117

>>13258102
create a portfolio and make connections. dont get a degree

t. bs and ms in cs and unemployed

>> No.13260257

>>13260117
MS in computer science and unemployed? LOL

That's someone holding out for a $150,000 a year job or someone that recently finished doing time for felony charges.