UBI

[Anonymous No.12750580]

Universal Basic Income fucking when?

[Anonymous No.12750588]

Machines need to take over McDonalds jobs first.
Wage Cuckin It

[Anonymous No.12750682]

>>12750588
Lmao jokes on you my career at mcdonalds is Solid.

[Anonymous No.12750707]

mandatory holdings in indices required

[Anonymous No.12750766]

Gonna put my UBI into vanguards, inception of wealth

[Anonymous No.12750776]

>>12750588
I-Is that Sergey on the right?

[Anonymous No.12750777]

>>12750580
im from germany and we already have a powerful welfare state up and running
gf earns about 3ooo euro a month and pays more than 1000 in taxes
if youre unemployed, you get
- a flat
- paid health insurance
- 450 euro a month
so my gf is basically paying someone elses basic income
dont get me wrong, im not against social policy in general
in fact, id like to see universal basic income implemented in the following way

cut down ALL bureaucracy related to welfare spending, including
- job markets and government funded recruiters for the unemployed
- systems that determine whether youre entitled, or not
- child support and the above mentioned rate for the unemployed
- get rid of the minimum wage

calculate total cost of these factors, divide by population, pay everyone an equal amount
would come out at no more than 200 euro per person

there you go, your society prevents you from starvation. thats great, isnt it?

[Anonymous No.12750793]

>>12750777
you're retarded ubi could work in western countries if they started deporting all the migrants, refugees and repatriating all the second and third generation immigrants.

then you would have ubi but if your iq is below 100 you get sterilized

[Anonymous No.12750794]

>>12750580
>work hard keep half
More like work hard and you may or may not get 1% of the profits after tax

[Anonymous No.12750803]

>>12750588
They already do where i live.

[Anonymous No.12750805]

>>12750793
no need to insult me, i actually meant what i said
also no need to deport anyone, just make a system in which citizens receive, and non-citizens dont.

basically keep the system we have now but make UBI a right for everyone, not the unemployed, or those who just cant be bothered to work

let me quote the mother of an ex here, who lived in a house financed by the grandparents of her husband, who worked about 10 hours a day in elderly care to make their family make ends meet

"you know, i just cant be bothered to work 8 hours a day!"

[Anonymous No.12750817]

>>12750805
fuck u dickhead

> citizen
some second generation indian or third generation Ukrainian is not german

[Anonymous No.12750818]

>>12750777
>mfw wagecucks wake up every day early in the morning to support niggas and lazy shitskins with government bux
>mfw niggas and shitskins rape, kill and fuck your women while wagecuck is working
>mfw your cuck government can not kick them out of your country
>mfw your country will transform slowly into an absolute shit hole
>mfw you can not do anything about it
>mfw i am living a comfy life in a based country without niggas and shitskins

[Anonymous No.12750860]

>>12750818
based and blackpilled

[Anonymous No.12750872]

>>12750777
>your society prevents you from starvation.
the uk literally just kills disabled people.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html

there was a program last night on tv, in which it was explored how unemployed people are living now that they're not given any money. one couple had to go out hunting wild rabbits, the rest just resorted to stealing. ridiculous to expect people to just conjure money from the ether. a serious crime wave is imminent and it'll be more than just the poor suffering.

[Anonymous No.12750897]

>>12750872
>muh austerity
>muh Tories
>muh brexit
>muh NHS

fuck off back to rebdit

[Anonymous No.12750907]

Tbh if I was in my home country (Eastern Europe) and not the west, I wouldn’t mind a socialist economy

[Anonymous No.12750910]

>>12750818
but what if you work in a based country without niggers?

[Anonymous No.12750919]

>>12750818
Where? Britbong here, will need an exit plan when my village inevitably becomes engulfed by londonistan.

[Anonymous No.12750923]

>>12750872
>watches tv

KEK

[Anonymous No.12750932]

>>12750777
>thats great, isnt it?
only a below average person would think this.

[Anonymous No.12750963]

>>12750777
nowhere near UBI. you have to visit the employment office on a regular basis and take the shittiest jobs they offer you, otherwise they cut the moneyflow.

[Anonymous No.12750989]

>>12750793
This. Socialism can actually work - when it's Nationalist.

[Anonymous No.12751010]

>>12750897
what's the problem kid? do you disagree, or are you just ranting? what is it you're trying to say?
there's nothing wrong with reddit by the way, it's just less saturated with children than this place.
whatever your squeaking was supposed to communicate i don't know. are you disputing that the poor are literally being killed off? perhaps you haven't considered that this has implications for literally everyone? shoplifting is up proportionally to the amount of money lost, so are street robberies and violence. whining "go back to blah" when you're mugged, won't stop you from being stabbed and having your wallet stolen.

fucking children man, your post means nothing, i don't know why you waste your time.

[Anonymous No.12751029]

>>12751010
>there's nothing wrong with reddit by the way

oof

[Anonymous No.12751046]

>>12751029
Oh, should I be embarrassed?
Please furnish me with a list of sites sufficiently fashionable among your peers that I can avoid further humiliating myself?
Fuck off child.

[Anonymous No.12751055]

>>12751010
>Listen 'ere, those fookin tories are killun us werking class folk. Right fookin basterds they are.

Nobody cares about your boring opinions. The UK is broke as our government wastes it's revenue on welfare, healthcare, wars and god knows what other socialist multicultural bullshit.

For every person suffering on welfare there are countless other lazy bastards who don't need it. Diverting more revenue to help said minority would just increase the proportion of said lazy bastards.

[Anonymous No.12751073]

>>12751010
Also
>shoplifting is up proportionally to the amount of money lost, so are street robberies and violence.

Thanks to single motherhood, the destruction of Christianity and traditional values, and most importantly because of all our new "friends".

Fact remains that the poorest in the UK are also the fattest, but I bet you thought I am David Blake was the best movie ever, tosser

[Anonymous No.12751074]

>>12750777
Its funny because Im one of those people receiving money kek.

[Anonymous No.12751086]

>>12751055
And taking it away is also having negative effects you dunce. What do you think will happen, leave 2 million people with nothing, and there will be no change? Everything will carry on as normal and you can get on with your day? The entire country is becoming perilous. People are hiring private security to stop burglaries.
>wastes revenue on welfare and healthcare
Fucking think for an actual, full second about what you're saying, because stomping around like a furious preteen asserting that everything should belong to you, and consider the implications for the entire fucking population.

When all the poor are dead, you get to be the new poor, and you'll be treated with the same fucking retarded attitude you're spewing now. I do not want to be forced to live in a rotting shithole of a country just because some braindead, middle class simpleton asserted that poor people are simply too wealthy, and that sick people should expect no help. Absolutely fucking hopelessly narrow-minded fucking cretin-tier.

[Anonymous No.12751087]

>>12751046
cringe

[Anonymous No.12751091]

>>12751073
>Thanks to single motherhood, the destruction of Christianity and traditional values, and most importantly because of all our new "friends".
Oh fuck off you galloping fucking cunt infection, the U.N knows better than some seething preteen sat in his mother's house:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/16/key-points-un-envoy-philip-alston-report-poverty-britain-uk

Now fuck off, I really cannot be bothered with you reese-mog wannabe preteens.

[Anonymous No.12751096]

>>12751091
stop being gay

[Anonymous No.12751100]

>>12750777
I would say only one requirement. I would prefer it to be to have atleast european ethnicity in your genes but realistically it would be more like have a german citizenship other than that yes get these fuckers out of the job market we pay for them anyway as they dont earn enough at their bullshit job but with ubi we can atleast cut the payment to the leeches at the job center which are just highly paid bullshit jobs fuck them they are leeches just as much as their "customers"

[Anonymous No.12751104]

>>12750580
Parasite.

[Anonymous No.12751105]

>>12750989
the problem with national socialism is that it is, by default, still an ideology dependant on benevolent leaders working in the public's interest

it is another form of dictatorship and hence not much different than communism

[Anonymous No.12751107]

>>12751046
I can't tell if this is a troll or not anymore

[Anonymous No.12751109]

That's wrong dudes. Why would you prevent retards from starvation? why would you allow retards to keep breeding. You are building a weak nation, with weak men. You all deseve to die.

[Anonymous No.12751112]

>>12751055
You have to pay for them anyway you retard and you know what without ubi you pay even more as you have all that burocracy overhead. How do retards like you even live if you cant even think a few steps further
If you gonna not pay at all weak cucks like you will be the first ones to get shanked rightly so i must say

[BSV will win No.12751113]

people opposed to UBI try to apply it to the world of today. imagine everything being done by robots except self-employment jobs, that's the world for when UBI is for. you and i won't be alive but UBI makes sense then for a transitional period between people having jobs and everybody getting everything for free (because robots do everything and energy have no cost). again, remember that this is 100+ years into the future.

[Anonymous No.12751121]

>>12751113
>100+ years into the into the future
Sure retard. I know why you love bsv haha

[Anonymous No.12751125]

If everyone is paid $1000 a month

prices would rise, because people could afford to spend more, so the dollar would inflate to the point that the UBI was insufficient again

[Anonymous No.12751126]

>>12751086
I never said there wouldn't be consequences for removing welfare, I never said that poor people won't suffer. You're using a strawman argument and trying to deliver an emotionally manipulative, effeminate attack on me.

You need to understand that there is no money, nil. The UK is financially bankrupt. After decades of reckless spending, wars, welfare, immigration, and the destruction of industry, the vast majority of people have been left with debt and/or little to their name.

There is no way out of this mess until the whole thing collapses.

You seem to think by throwing more 'money' (future debt) onto this financial bonfire, that you will magically help the poor. The poor don't need welfare, they need jobs, two parent households, and a culture that shames sexual promiscuity and reckless behaviour.

You are on the wrong website, and should probably fuck off back to re ddit.

I bet you're the typically snobby little leftist wanker I would see in university

[Anonymous No.12751130]

>>12750932
you must be really excelling at your field to post this on 4channel

[BSV will win No.12751132]

>>12751121
haven't you seen Wall-E?

[Anonymous No.12751138]

More interestingly, what if everyone was forced to invest 10% of their income into index funds, which they couldn't touch the principal, but would receive the dividends from?

[Anonymous No.12751142]

>>12751126
>The poor will suffer
Why do you think you will be safe? Nobody will protect your ass the police is already struggling and people like me would like to see someone like you drown in their blood.
Im neither poor nor leftist but i recognize the traitors the worst kind of traitors are bootlickers for the rich who imported the genetic nigger and muslim trash in our countries. You are nothing more than a casualty to happen for me.

[Anonymous No.12751148]

>>12751132
No i prefer to live in reality and no job is safe over the span of the next 15 years and it will only get worse most jobs are already bullshit jobs we this is a development hapoening NOW. Acting like ahh it will be after us and we dont need to change anything makes you part of the problem its happening now and the third worlders that got imported into europe are a ticking timebomb on top of that

[Anonymous No.12751154]

>>12751142
>nazi cringe post

I was 18 once too

[Anonymous No.12751181]

>>12751154
26 going strong here. Your meme post wont save you from fate. Give it 10-20 years fuckers like you will get stomped into the dirt if not by right wing brothers then by muslims the ones you supported to import and i will be watching from a safe distance maybe even supplying the right with weapons would be a great idea wouldnt it? Metral did the ground work.

[BSV will win No.12751186]

>>12751148
oh, you want UBI in your lifetime. sorry anon, i don't think it will happen. maybe in some smaller countries in 50 years, USA will probably be among the last to implement UBI because of the whole mindset of the nation (capitalism, "work hard and you will succeed", american dream etc)

[Anonymous No.12751194]

>>12750580
You get UBI no matter if you work or not, retard... this pic is dumb.

[Anonymous No.12751201]

>>12751186
It doesnt matter what i want. You live in your own dreamworld were this aussie alcoholic is satoshi (what you want) where the problems are all kindly waiting until after you are dead(what you want) and you lie on the beach where everything is paid in bsv (what you want)
Reality is different you grow up or die

[Anonymous No.12751208]

>>12751046
Unbelievable. kys

[Anonymous No.12751209]

>>12751186
Also who cares about the usa a dirt country in decline that should ne wiped off the map anyway hope the chinese will win the trade war it will be a rough awakening for you genetic trash muttts

[Anonymous No.12751254]

You are all wrong. As some of you said, automation will take jobs from humans. But do you think that will be just low income jobs? You are wrong. Everyone will be affected. Do you think in 15 years we wont have softwares to automate judges' decision making, for example? Accountants, lawyers, most jobs will be all take by robots. And who do you think will be the richest? The ones that have invested on digital money, the ones that control the production of robots and automation software, and the robots themselves.

For example, you can make 500k a year, but you will certainly waste at least 100k on useless things like food, rent, housing, car, or so. A software doesnt need any of this. Once the software is able to take decision by itself, what do you think it will do? It will buy or rent processing power, in order to become even more powerful, and hence making more money. So after a certain point in the future, there will be no limit to the amount of money a robot can make, but there is a limit for humans.

What do you think is going to happen afterwards? Do you think robots will keep feeding us, as babies, or they will just protect or merge with a small elite? Of course the most rich will have a plan to merge their lineage with the robots, while the poor will be left to rot. It's not that people will spoonfeed you for being poor. If you cant compete with the robots long enought you'll be left to starve. That is already happeing in a small scale. UBI wont save you from having your lineage stopped. The rich are already competing with one another, because they have already figured that out. It will be so exponential, that every second you waste not making money, there is a higher chance that everyone of your family members wont endure. Eveerything you did, or your parents did, will be for nothing. UBI might easy the burden a little, but it is useless after all.

[Anonymous No.12751255]

>>12751125
Not exactly true.
What you say is the ideal economic truth. But our real system is loaded with inefficiency. People would use their $1000 to buy various things. Things that are not 100 percent random and hence not all subject to inflation.

[Anonymous No.12751271]

>>12750919
typical english scum
surrender his land and women to shitskins

[BSV will win No.12751279]

>>12751201
Relax man, we're all business men around here.

>>12751209
I don't live in USA either.

[Anonymous No.12751339]

>>12751279
I dont know if scamming is a legitimate business. Also the craig bullshit shitting up this board is getting annoying especially if its something obvious like this. We now have 10+ link threads and almost the same bsv threads and i dont wanna deal with this anymore. The board is ruined.

[Anonymous No.12751371]

>>12750793
Idk about the immigrant part but I’m very ok with sterilizing everyone under 100 IQ. I’d be willing to up that to 115 or 120 frankly.

[Anonymous No.12751374]

>>12751046
anon why are you gay

[BSV will win No.12751377]

>>12751339
What's the scam in BSV?

[Anonymous No.12751383]

>>12751105
Absolute load of shit. The people loved Hitler, and their country was much better while he was in power. NatSoc is the antithesis to communism.

[Anonymous No.12751393]

>>12751377
Identity theft and pyramid scamming is ok for you? Its fraud per definition. But you also think it its ok to make 10 threads about that useless fucker so i dont know if i should continue arguing.

[BSV will win No.12751452]

>>12751393
"Identity theft", if anything he is stealing a nickname. And the jury is out on that one.

As for the actual scam/fraud, what is it?
What's their end game?
Strange scammers if the scam is trying to deliver what they said they will deliver.

[Anonymous No.12751482]

>>12751254
well you are not completely wrong but not completely right. the top 5 jobs in America are all low wage and primed for being replaced by automation. A lot of poor people are going to be out of the job really quick, I dont think the middle class will feel the effect nearly as fast. This makes UBI a good interim policy
And yeah, everybody knows we are just going to kill the masters and take our shit back eventually, its just about maximizing health/education/energy/intellect in the other classes in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.12751516]

>>12750580
Here is the thing I want for the future:
Automated anarcho captialism:
No Taxes, you just keep everything you, and the things you own produce.
Human rights get abolished because you can just create 100 Humans from cells very cheaply, so there is no need to give them rights. Only property rights remain, and you have to defend your own property with your own automated weapons systems because there is no more police.
Fuck the state!
Fuck the people!
Hail the money, hail automation!
And hello genetically engineered catgirls!

[Anonymous No.12751533]

>>12751516
What a glorious future awaits us!

[Anonymous No.12751539]

>>12751516
You’re actually retarded

[Anonymous No.12751587]

>>12751539
If you think that it's not actually going to be like this, then you have not been paying attention.
Well, to be honest, I could imagine nothing better.
It will be a truly free world.
You can do whatever the hell you want, it's like as if it's Christmas every single day.

It's the world I wish for, and the world I will fight for with everything I have. Because the future is worth saving.

[Anonymous No.12751607]

>>12750580
honestly would help me out. But i'd still be working. I would just invest it into a business though.

[Anonymous No.12751612]

>>12751587
You’re just razzing me right? I refuse to believe someone could be this autistic and actually believe that.

[Anonymous No.12751637]

>>12750872
>when it's easier to hunt wild rabbits than getting a job cleaning the streets

[Anonymous No.12751656]

>>12751612
Believe what exactly?
That it's going to happen? Or that it's a good thing?
Because it is going to happen, if you think that this is false, then you truly have no idea about human nature. This is the absolute best case scenario. In fact, it's really the only good scenario that is possible. In all other cases, the world will just descend into nihilism, everything will end.

But like that, people will FINALLY be free to actually archive their dreams. It will basically be like a Shonen Manga, except in the actual real world. What could possibly be better?

Oh, and if you think that "no one could be this cruel! What about the poor?" Well, fuck them, I could literally not care less. They are poor because they deserve to be poor, nothing more.

[Anonymous No.12751674]

>>12751656
>It will basically be like a Shonen Manga
I knew you were autistic, thanks for confirming my suspicion

[Anonymous No.12751679]

>>12751587
>rich people no longer need you alive
>they'll give you everything you want
Child.

[Anonymous No.12751692]

>>12751679
Ignore me, thought you were some militant UBI enthusiast

[Anonymous No.12751702]

>>12751679
Where did I say that rich people will give you everything you want?
No, you will basically be a slave, or they will just kill you.

>>12751674
People's dreams never end!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk4MjH9RZ6Y

[Anonymous No.12751713]

>>12751692
Well, out of context that post actually reads that way, I give you that.

[Anonymous No.12751720]

>>12750580
We got something close to it here, I'm glad the welfare money will be given on a state appointed bank account and the payments will be monitored so that if you use them to buy drugs or degenerate shit at some point you'll be discovered and the privilege of being a leech removed. I want to see how it unfolds.

[Anonymous No.12751728]

>>12751674
Are you against genetically engineered catgirls?
Abolishing slavery was a mistake.
And human rights are a lie that can only exist right now in our current socio-economic context.
It didn't exist in the past.
And it will once again be obliterated in the future.

[Anonymous No.12751732]

>>12751702
>one piece
Autistic manchild confirmed. I bet you created that scenario to be like all your heroes in your Japanese cartoons faggot.

[Anonymous No.12751747]

>>12751254
That’s ridiculous. We’ll never replace lawyers, judges, or anyone who’s work is actually thinking of solutions and arguments. The jobs that will be automated are the ones where you don’t have to think, where everything can be achieved through an algorithm.

Even mundane office jobs aren’t going to be replaced because every work place is different, and the people who try and implement solutions have no idea what needs to happen to keep a facility actually doing its job.

[Anonymous No.12751754]

>>12750910
you work for gypsyes or others

[Anonymous No.12751776]

>>12751747
Anon,
modern recurrent neural networks have the capability to create intuitive solutions.
modern genetic algorithms have the capability to create creative solutions.
Together they can intuitively create creative solutions.
The progress that is made there is completely insane.
You will see, there is literally nothing that will not be automated.
I say that fucking AI engineers have 30-40 years left max until they are replaced.

[Anonymous No.12751820]

>>12751516
This is what's going to happen.
The only question here is if its a good thing. But it will happen 100%. The rich are already preparing for that scenario.
Pizza and literally loli Pizza(No, pedophilia will obviously become commonplace. I'm talking about literally eating a pizza with human flesh) will also become legal.

I bet there is even going to be a restaurant where they serve loli sashimi like with real-life cat girl lolis.
Like the frog sashimi here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_NW2A9D-tw
Just with human girls instead.
If you think anything is too insane, then you don't know what's going on.

UBI is just a joke. A sad pathetic joke.
It's like cows talking about if the hey is good at the slaughterhouse.

[Anonymous No.12751879]

>>12751776
They don’t come up with intuitive solutions. They optimize outputs given inputs. They are making huge leaps deciphering inputs and optimizing algorithms, but they are never going to replace genuine human decision making. They’ll help us reach foregone conclusions faster, but you will never have a computer making a legal judgment about things like probable cause because the very concept is vague and open to interpretation.

[Anonymous No.12751895]

I'm voting for Andrew Yang but "FREE MONEY FOR EVERYONE" is honestly the worst part of his sales pitch.

[Anonymous No.12751902]

>>12751747
Dont you think judges will be replaced? Just make a software that takes decisions based on AI, and make a feedback in order for it to learn. Then compare to human judges' decisions relatively to which % of decisions get changed on higher instances. You actually dont know anything about law, do you? Most decisions are the same. Then the government will notice the AI get the right decisions most of the time, while humans are flawed. Also the AI can take millions of decisions in a day. Imagine the amount of money the government would spare. If you dont think that is going to happen, you dont know tech. Also, I'm a mechatronic engineer.

[Anonymous No.12751929]

>>12751879
An AI will come up with a probability, like: The probability that person A did X is 97.8% given all data. That is will do, and that it will do better than any human possibly could.
And in fact, this will happen very soon.

An AI will also come up with a probability, like: If we sentence person X to sentence Y, then the probability for a repeated offense is 12.3%. An AI will also be able to judge how much the light sentence of a person is probably going to affect public morale because that is measurable. Therefore there sentencing is actually an optimization problem.

And the AI will absolutely excel there.
The only thing that people will debate over are things like: "what is the optimal confidence we need for sentencing", and there we get back to bare bones philosophical questions.

So the rich will set the bare bones philosophical position that the AI represents, and then the AI will execute this into reality.
And it WILL execute it - much better than any human ever could.

[Anonymous No.12751950]

fomo round 9

[Anonymous No.12751957]

>>12751929
Exactly. Thanks!

And also, it will do it way faster. Imagine such sofware, how much would it be worth? To be able to retire literally 100% of judges around the world? Now imagine this software is able to rent more processing power and invest all the gains back to itself.

[Anonymous No.12751982]

>>12751879
You have a simple interpretation of what intuition means. Intuition and creativity are the outputs of a certain combination of inputs (life experience, data collected, etc). All of this can be automated. Ever heard of the conundrum that a monkey with a typewrighter and infinite resources will eventually recreate Shakespeare's works?

[Anonymous No.12752004]

>>12751982
Yes. Indeed it wont. AI wont too, for now. But could you recreate also? But it is a fact that the AI can reinvest 100% back into itself. And I ask you, can you?

[Anonymous No.12752049]

>>12751929
The rich would prefer a human judge and judges themselves would never let this happen. If by soon you meant 60+ years from now, maybe, but even then judges would lobby against being replaced and wouldn’t make it easy.

[Anonymous No.12752050]

“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”

― Buckminster Fuller

[Anonymous No.12752105]

>>12751138
>>12751482
>>12751747
>>12751254
>>12751482
>>12751516
>>12751929
>>12751957
>>12752004
exactly what p3d, and fomo3d is proporting to do
https://medium.com/@antsankov/why-powh3d-an-ethereum-dapp-is-a-better-store-of-value-than-bitcoin-217f60b8ca06

[Anonymous No.12752125]

>>12750580
>work hard keep half

lol more like work hard keep 10%

[THE CANCER FOUNDATION No.12752156]

“Good men, the last (fomo) wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green (divis) bay,
Wage, wage against the dying of the light.”

69 69 THE CANCER FOUNDATION 69 69

[Anonymous No.12752157]

>>12752049
>lobby
anon, you are still stuck in a naive childhood dream.
Automation is not like anything you have seen before, or to better phrase it:

We are entering a new age, an age of the exponential scale.
You are still bound by the notion of thinking of people as people who have influence.
But we are facing an absolute-
We are like ants.
And this is not a feud with a rival colony, this is the ant hill getting stepped on.

You think we are doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-gHVGOoE48
When in fact, we are doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQaafNForNs
And so the only thing we can do is to do this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0oEJgJA6hc

Your mistake is a failure of imagination

[Anonymous No.12752164]

>>12750580
UBI is a meme as long as we are on a dysgenic trend.
Imagine if the average american IQ was not 95 but 120, we need eugenics not another meme economic policy that won't work.

[Anonymous No.12752241]

Fuckin redit is here now too !?

[Anonymous No.12752273]

>>12752049
>The rich would prefer a human judge

The rich are literally preparing for the upcoming end of civilization
https://medium.com/s/futurehuman/survival-of-the-richest-9ef6cddd0cc1

>“How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?”

[Anonymous No.12752336]

>>12752273
This is the single right way to look at the whole thing.
If you don't understand this, then you have fallen for the mass media who are paid and bought for the purpose of blinding you from this single truth.

[Anonymous No.12752364]

>>12751747
You are an idiot, I'm in med school, I should be a doctor by next year, I already see that my future job can be completely automated, maybe not now, not in 10 years but in 20 years absolutely, I would say the only thing keeping up the robots from taking over right now is how to extract clinical information from patients (ie: people lie and communicate in a complex manner depending of a variety of factor that a robot can't yet process effectively, but they will, also there is no hardware to really exam patient right now), but diagnosis/prognosis/treatment they already do it better than humans.

For lawyers/judges it's just exchanging words and all trials are transcribed since decades, you just need to feed the computer enough data so he can generate patterns on judgements and boom you have them.

At first all these machines will just make suggestions, then it will actually take the decisions but with a human confirming them to avoid abherrations then it will take the decisions alone because why paying millions in formation and salaries when the robot has a 0.001% chances of doing a mistake and can work 24/7?

During the next decades we will see new luddites political movements against that, you will see, this will be catastrophic because we live in a world where professional status and economics is everything, there will be mass suicide and civil unrest, not only because wealth distribution but because people will feel utterly useless, see the Rust Belt but worlwide.

[Anonymous No.12752371]

>>12752049
You are very naive. All it takes is a small serious european country to adopt this, and all countries that dopt adopt will be left behind. Every major serious economy will see the benefits. Lobby cant stop technology.

[Anonymous No.12752398]

>>12752371
But lobbying has already stopped progress here in America and you are naive to think it can’t
>>12752273
And what does this have to do with AI judges?

[Anonymous No.12752423]

>>12750580
If I can keep working my same job for $75k~ annually and make another 20 or 30k on top of that in universal income (or whatever the amount is really), I would keep working even if universal income was 50k. The only way I would quit my job is if the universal income is six figures

[Anonymous No.12752433]

>>12752398
How will lobbying stop the End of Evangelion?

[Anonymous No.12752434]

>>12751902
You have no idea what judges do, do you?

>>12751929
That’s mostly actuarial work.


Seriously, do you guys know how government works? No one ends up in those positions because they are effective at their job. They get those positions because they are either elected or appointed by someone who was elected. Are you suggesting there is going to be some sort of mass upheaval where we replace our representative democracy with AI caretakers? Because that’s what has to happen for that shit to even be plausible.

[Anonymous No.12752447]

>>12752433
End of Evangelion???
What the hell is that?

[Anonymous No.12752469]

>>12750777
Contribution prevents you from starving here. That’s why our society is better.

[Anonymous No.12752478]

>>12752434
>we mass upheaval where we replace our representative democracy with AI caretakers
>we
No, the "representative democracy" will just be rendered meaningless.
So you have a "representative democracy" with elected officials, and then you go to Google(tm) headquarters and tell them to pay 100 billion in taxes for UBI.
And they then say: "WHY?!?"
And you say: "Because our voters voted for it!!!"
And they then say: "No, we don't care, LEAVE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF GOOGLE(tm), or our AutomatedGoogleWeapons(tm) will kill you. Fuck off!"
Normally, the government then says: "Pay your taxes or we are going to throw you in jail", but you can't throw your automatic weapons manufacturer in jail, because they are more powerful than the government. The military can't do anything.
And so the corporations are just going to declare themselves as sovereign, and have the government fuck off.
And you and your voters can go fuck yourselves.
Because they don't need you. You are just literally nothing to them.
So you will just be "made to leave" and that is all.

[Anonymous No.12752479]

>>12752371
>You are very naive. All it takes is a small serious european country to adopt this, and all countries that dopt adopt will be left behind. Every major serious economy will see the benefits. Lobby cant stop technology.

This, besides courts are already struggling with too many affairs just like hospital can't deal with the number of patients, something that would allow to handle the demand while dividing the cost by something like 10 or even 1000 will be adopted.

Of course judges will protest that, but ultimately they will lose because people will say those guys are just protecting their status and privileges coupled with the natural jealousy or contempt people feel toward other corporations (lots of people are jealous of doctors, lots of people are jealous of bankers, lots of people despise lorry drivers, etc...) and they will be right.

Look at crypto, for example, it's basically about automating a large portion of the financial industry, probably the corporation the most hated in the west right now and people cheer for it.

[Anonymous No.12752483]

>>12752364
That’s because your system of diagnosis is already an algorithm. Check these symptoms against that disease, settle on something that fits. Until they develop an AI that actually observes that shit and has a bedside manner, your job isn’t going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.12752494]

>>12750777
...so what's the point of even working? If my country had what you had I'd literally quit my job today

[Anonymous No.12752507]

>>12752447
this >>12752157

[Anonymous No.12752522]

>>12752398
Lobby only works locally. You cant lobby the whole globe. Once people see that the billions the justice system consume could be spared and invested into something more useful, public opinion will demand such system. You forget that the justice system obky exists to settle problems. The smaller they get, the better for the nation as a whole.

[Anonymous No.12752526]

>>12750907
That worked so well previously didnt it?

[Anonymous No.12752532]

>>12750588
we have had these machines for nearly 10 years now, nothing changed. theres still countless wagies flipping burgers and cleaning the bathrooms. you NEETs are so desperate for a reason not to wage cuck. heres the redpill: youre gonna have to wage cuck until youre at least 50 whether you like it or not. cope

[Anonymous No.12752539]

>>12752479
Except nobody but the straightest edge uberchristian with a justice boner would want an ai judge. Your average person will rather have a system that could get them off using reasonable doubt in case they end up in a court room themselves.

Nobody is jealous of judges because they aren’t glamorized like doctors, bankers, etc.
>look at crypto
Lmao crypto is being suppressed by those that don’t want it succeed and they are winning. The bubble burst and crypto is done for.

[Anonymous No.12752545]

>>12752494
You work so you can get more than a shitty flat and 450 Euros a month.

[Anonymous No.12752551]

>>12752522
People don’t really care where there money goes. Sometimes they get furious after finding it the government spent x amount on y, but they don’t do anything about it.

[Anonymous No.12752598]

>>12752539
>have a system that could get them off using reasonable doubt
The AI could do that. Are you retarded? If you set it to only convict people if it's 99% sure, then it would be much more likely to let you off for reasonable doubt then a human judge. In fact it would be much more fair

[Anonymous No.12752609]

>>12752532
Honestly, who ever designed those machines fucked up. Like the whole point is I don’t have to interact with someone and can just get my shit without having to interpret wagies broken english, but nope, I still have to ask for my cup and complain to a human that something wasn’t right and listen for someone to call out dos-cinco-cinco.

[Anonymous No.12752612]

>>12752551
Sure. Countries get dominated by other countries with better tech. If you dont adapt, you will be dominated. Either on the local sphere, or on the global one. Imagine China uses this and invest those billions on the military

[Anonymous No.12752641]

>>12752483
>That’s because your system of diagnosis is already an algorithm.

Our entire mental process is based on algorithms anon, when you decide to eat a bowl of cereal instead of the sponge, what do you think is happening?

Neuroscience and AI as we speak are literally converging since 20 years.
Brains are just gigantic multi-purpose algorithms that evolved through trial and error during millions of years to prosper in our environnement.

[Anonymous No.12752652]

>>12752598
Reasonable doubt=/=fair, idiot. You are clueless. Why would someone who’s guilty want a harsher system?

[Anonymous No.12752682]

>>12752641
The most dangerous realization is this:
How intelligent are humans?
Answer: We are EXACTLY as intelligent as we had to be to create our current civilization. And not one bit smarter.
Why?
Because if we were a bit smarter then that, then we would already have had civilization 100.000 Years ago, when humans were only barely smart enough to create civilization.

The upper limits of intelligence are unknown, and we are much further from them then we could ever imagine.

[Anonymous No.12752695]

>>12752539
>Except nobody but the straightest edge uberchristian with a justice boner would want an ai judge. Your average person will rather have a system that could get them off using reasonable doubt in case they end up in a court room themselves.

Why would an AI not be able to say there is a reasonable doubt?

>Lmao crypto is being suppressed by those that don’t want it succeed and they are winning. The bubble burst and crypto is done for.

Just realized you have the foresight of a 3 years old.
Bubbles are inevitable whenever a whole new industry is created, it's how value of said industry is discovered, cryptos are here to stay, the whole space is thriving as we speak, go to meetups and talks, speculators are depressed but the guys actually writing the codes and the papers have never been this busy with so many career opportunities.

[Anonymous No.12752714]

>>12752641
Yes, but the algorithm to diagnose a disease is far simpler than the one that we think behaves like a person.

[Anonymous No.12752733]

>>12752695
Except ryptos aren’t here to stay.
>the guys actually writing the codes and the papers have never been this busy with so many career opportunities
Yes they did, back in 2017, and now their get rich schemes aren’t so profitable anymore. Crypto isn’t exactly new either.

[Anonymous No.12752776]

>>12750580
who is on this crypto fomo?

[Anonymous No.12752789]

>>12752682
Humans could become smarter through eugenics and genetic experiments, currently for example our brain is limited by the size of our skulls, however evolution came up with gyration so we could fit much more cortex surface in it, that's why we are much smarter than whales despite them having bigger brains.
That said bigger brains need more energy (1/4 of the energy we consume daily goes to it) which needs more food which used to be hard to get until we created agriculture.

Today food is not a limitation anymore, human races could technically go beyond that easily, 12ft tall humans are biomechanically doable.
Personally I think humans will we forced to bioengineer themselves to keep up just marginally with AI at one point or else it will be a disaster, my only fear is that we bioengineer ourselves in the "wrong" way like the Unabomber predicted it, instead of becoming the Primarchs or WH40k we would become the adeptus mechanicus, or worse: the servitors.

[Anonymous No.12752793]

>>12752539
Why are you considering the need for judges a constant in our society in the first place? Either you think that we should let society devolve into mad max motorcycle gangs fighting for resources or you believe that we should do something about the hordes of unemployABLE people due to automation.

[Anonymous No.12752802]

>>12750766
Unironically, why not this? Basically take the gibs and turn a profit on it from literally any account that pays interest and allows you to deposit monthly. It's free money on top of free money.

[Anonymous No.12752819]

UBI failed in Finland. No way this shit is going to work in America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPT_KKZSKiY

I hope you guys have a career in programming or engineering.
When automation starts becoming more of a thing the elites will just kill the entire unemployed population.

[Anonymous No.12752860]

>>12752819
>Timcast
>Channel full of anime and /pol/ memes

What a great source for this bold claim, even the fucking Joe Rogan podcast would've been a less stupid choice

[Anonymous No.12752865]

>>12752819
unemployABLE

I don't think we should kill them. It would be much better to let them fight in arenas as they did in Rome. And I want servant slaves to be human, it's much more fun that way, you can't really abuse a robot.

[Anonymous No.12752872]

>>12752793
Well they aren’t going to disappear now are they

[Anonymous No.12752941]

>>12752865
>((we))
larping animefag, if you were really rich you’d buy a slave right now

[Anonymous No.12752942]

>>12752865
>we can make AI judges
>can’t make AI slaves that are fun to torture

[Anonymous No.12752959]

>>12752714
I think you don't get the whole picture.

What are doctors for example? They are people you go to see when you are ill and want to get relief.

Te equivalent of doctors in the past (before the advent of evidence based medicine) where "healers", basically people who could not do jackshit but tell you approximately what you are dying from and provide you with some consolation and placebo (best case: painkillers), that's why the healer was often the "priest" figure too (the druid, the shaman, the monk, etc...) because he was here to prepare you to go to the "other world".
Call it empathy, psychological support, etc...

Initially modern doctors used to be that with the bonus that they could actually provide you with some working treatment, that's when the profession transitioned from semi-charlatans to problem solvers in short.

Today however it very much evolved, the 2019 doctor is a crazy better technician than he was 100 years ago, he can do a shitload for you...

But he doesn't have time to do the whole psychological thing because he has a pile of bureaucratic papers to do (otherwise he isn't covered or isn't paid by insurances/the state), he has dozens of other patients and finally the patient expect him to solve all his issues fast and efficiently, not to be nice and listen (medicine is not an "art" anymore or whatever these days, it's a service just like Netflix or food delivery).

As such the modern doctor is closer and closer to an automaton, the "human work" involved shrinks every decade and that's why it will be replaced by a machine ultimately, the culture is already setting it up.

When people will realize they can see the robot doctor today at any hour they are ill and get a treatment instead of having to wait 6 months for the human doctor to get the exact same pills and list of recommandations.

[Anonymous No.12752970]

>>12750580
I live in Norway and pay after I've done my taxes and added my deductibles I'm down at 28% in general taxes.

With a stock savings account, I do trades without any taxation (Nordic countries exclusively) on purchases - only a 23 % tax on the gains I make. combined with a student account which charges 0.5 dollars in brokerage fee per trade I'm looking at a great deal for saving.


All in all - my original tax rate is at 34 per cent - yet through actually looking over my tax returns I've got it down to 28%.

For too long I've complained about the high level of taxation in my country, yet now that I've started to read up on finance it is becoming increasingly obvious to me that someone is actually looking out for the people who bother to look for a better way to get financial freedom.

[Anonymous No.12752998]

>>12752942
>can’t make AI slaves that are fun to torture
I have no mouth and I must scream?

[Anonymous No.12753050]

>>12752959
That’s a larger issue with the American medical system, where all the money is tied up in the beauracracy.

But the future is going to be fun when all I have to do is go to a medical bot and convince it I have the symptoms that call for the fun drugs to be prescribed.

[Anonymous No.12753110]

>>12750580
UBI is a neoliberal meme. If automation really does replace all jobs, UBI is not going to cut it. We will need socialism.

[Anonymous No.12753123]

>>12753050
You will need to be a damn good actor then, a robot in 20 years will likely be extremely good at reading human emotions through mimics, intonation and vitals because they can already do it now.
>https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/lie-detectors-with-artificial-intelligence-are-future-of-border-security.html

It probably isn't good at deducing why you lie yet but it will eventually.

[Anonymous No.12753153]

>>12752364
i work at a machine learning implementation studio, our recent project revolves around automating most of your work

we estimate that within a decade, 40% of day to day tasks in a hospital will be automated

[Anonymous No.12753156]

>>12753123
They don't even need to read emotions; if you input enough information it can spot "irregularities" where your symptoms don't quite mesh with the data, which sets off a red flag.

[Anonymous No.12753178]

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/the-freedom-dividend/

[Anonymous No.12753207]

>>12750580
There are a huge number of philosophical variables to be considered, so every UBI proposal is different. Does it replace the welfare state? Is it the same for everyone, or do people with disabilities get more? Where does the money come from (human labour equivalents, or taxed corporate profits)? Do you encourage population decrease / increase? And so on.

[Anonymous No.12753366]

>>12753123
Those are border crossing robots who are flagging people for follow up, not to mention it’s a sensationalist article, so the results are at best inconclusive. It doesn’t really cover the methodology for categorizing who deserves a follow up and who doesn’t relative to the “success” rate of human vs AI. It sounds like it’s even more looking for visual ticks rather than actually learning how to identify a lie. One fucking researcher claiming an 80% lie deception rate doesn’t mean anything. Its little more than polygraph that doesn’t require skin contact.

[Anonymous No.12753398]

>>12753156
You still need to read emotions, knowing why someone lie is an important information. Some people lie because they are scared, some lie because they want to trick you, some lie for attention, others lie because they are mentally ill, etc...

To give an exemple you can have 2 people lying to get painkillers, the first one is just a junkie wanting to get high, the second is really in pain but since he was not diagnosed anything "organic" or clinically specific the first time he saw a doc he is now making shit up, exaggerating his condition to be taken seriously.

I'm sure a machine could ultimately make the difference between motives because these are classic human behaviours but as you see all the time but dismissing the second patient would be an ethical mistake.

[Anonymous No.12753428]

>>12753398
It really depends on the inputs. You could for example set up a questionnaire, and then compare it statistically to a curated average of genuine cases. If the answers are too perfect then it sets up a flag, or if a certain pattern of answers that suggests fraud is inputted, that sets up a flag too. There are plenty of things you can do if you have enough data sitting around. It won't be perfect (you will always need a human making the final call), but they can be quite effective at impersonal selection.

[Anonymous No.12753476]

>>12750777
Sure but currently you're destroying it bu pouring vast amounts of uneducated, culturally different people into your country.
>>12750793
This guy has a point, much of the measures that worked in countries in Western Europe worked because it was a common group of people. The current open borders has just about destroyed these systems and public operations in general.
Europeans need to take care of their own people who are of European culture and norms. Provide for them first

[Anonymous No.12753518]

>>12753428
That’s ridiculous. The whole point of the AI revolution is to do away with trivial paperwork and needing a human to make the final call.

AI will make our lives easier as a matter of replacing things we aren’t particularly good at, like paying attention for prolonged periods of time or drawing connections between various points of data far too numerous for us to consider.

[Anonymous No.12753529]

>>12751105
Are you kidding? National Socialism did way more for people than Communism.
Germany was brought from the brink of collapse, mass unemployment, insane inflation, and unfair regulations forced on them.
Hitler was looked at pretty favorable in Germany and he had a lot of points which could carry over into today's time. Look at his winter relief speeches, he says it perfectly how members of a country should be. Always remembering their is someone who is worse off than you and seeing what you can do to help. It isn't simply taking from the rich and giving to the poor, it was the drive as a member of a community to help your fellow komrade out.
Their system wmwas just like European systems today, it relies on a people who share similar views and unity. Whites, blacks etc. Need to be unified I a common goal of the state, do all they can to produce strong and viable individuals who would be an addition to society and not a weight.
Bring in millions of people from the middle east is the complete opposite.

[Anonymous No.12753570]

>>12753476
It’s a larger issue with how the EU decided to handle immigration. Open borders between states works in the US because citizenship and immigration are controlled at the federal level. In the EU (as I understand it) any given person can get access via one member country saying “come on in”, and then has free movement to settle anywhere in the EU that they want, which of course results in one country welcoming anybody and then not having to house them or deal with their naturalization as the move somewhere else and become their problem.

That lack of central power is the same reason Brexit was allowed to happen. When we tried that in the US we fought a fucking war over it.

[Anonymous No.12753577]

>>12753428
Well yes, in this case you rely on the human to explore the motives because we naturally know how to calibrate with other humans and extract informations from non verbal cues but ultimately I think you won't need them either.

Right now our experiences with robots are cold and lifeless, they are doing some progress with assistants like Alexa for example but it's still extremely garbage compared to human interactions.
I expect to see the UX improve drastically at some point when they will figure out how to calibrate emotions reliably and pass a true Turing Test, at least for niches (it's not like you can expect people will come to talk about politics or gardening with it).

[Anonymous No.12753605]

>>12750777
It would be fair and simple to implement. Why is every debate i see about 1k+ ubi? Just enough to live cheap and don't starve is exactly enough

[Anonymous No.12753613]

>>12751113
>furry .gif
yikes

[Anonymous No.12753620]

I can tell you what needs to happen before Universal Basic Income becomes a thing.
What needs to happen is smart contracts, decentralized identity and AI to micromanage the funds so everyone gets exactly as much as he deserves.

With a fully automated UBI system you could set incentives for every individual to behave in a positive way in society and this would work better than the uncaring welfare system that pays you 100 bucks to fuck off while enriching themselfes.

[Anonymous No.12753820]

>>12753620
>UBI based on Chinese social credit

That could be interesting

[Anonymous No.12753888]

>>12753820
Fuck no. Are you guys nuts. Little machines valued according to good goy points. Or maybe we judge it by likes on facebook. Decentralized and automated jesus is this the world we are creating

[Anonymous No.12753903]

>>12750580
dunno but i have worked enough im ready to quit and only freelance occasionally.

[Anonymous No.12753960]

>>12751125
this os my bet tpo ubi skyrockets wages and results on inflation until uou cam barely live as a hobo on it

[Anonymous No.12754106]

>>12753820
It would be way more in depth than what the chinks got.
This would work across all borders and worldwide across every system.
The network could even pay more to NEETs to get them to contribute in some way or to compensate for ther projected shorter lifespan.

>>12753888
The overseeing AI could evaluate hundreds of different data points to determine how much money someone gets at the end of the month.
Its a good thing.

[Anonymous No.12754166]

>>12754106
>hello fellow jews, we are in charge of creating the weights that the new AI will be using to evaluate how much money people get in the new system
>now the question is, what values should we give to the goyim and jews? Goldsberg suggests 1000 points to the jew and 10 points to the goyim, but I feel thats too generous, what do you all think?

[Anonymous No.12754349]

>>12750818
Hungary bro?

sweet bro. Wish I had some of that action.

[Anonymous No.12755050]

>>12754106
Based on what. Does the AI know whats good for us. At what point do we outsource human input. Just output output output. You know thats crazy right

[Anonymous [O1G] No.12755650]

>>12754349
i'm hungarian shit is hopeless
we are officially past the last minute where the population tree could have been corrected, this means we will if not die out completely but pretty much continue to dwindle in the next century. immigration would be a theoretical solution to this but that won't happen now. an aging society where the few people who would support the pensioner masses are the very one that can bounce easily from their tax burden and settle abroad. this will end lik kosovo only pensioners and mafiosos remain everybody else will flee this rotten corrupt oppressive shithole. but i'm sure the pensioners and mafiosos will be perfectly white (well the usual eastern europen mix of slavs and germans and gypsies)

[Anonymous No.12755666]

Do your jobs Mods. Delete leftypol threads

[Anonymous No.12755834]

I don't know what's better, to give 50% of your work to one guy that doesn't really need it, or people who does.

Also it's bullshit, people will work on UBI maybe even out of boredom, you could not afford shit with that.

[Anonymous No.12756148]

>>12755834
ubi will be eventually the result of the pareto principle 20% willcreate all the value while 80% just consumes. but productivity needs to skyrocket first. like a new industrial revolution.

[Anonymous No.12757039]

>>12751186
>USA will probably be among the last to implement UBI because of the whole mindset of the nation (capitalism, "work hard and you will succeed", american dream etc)
Well that, and the fact that the people who actually work and pay all the taxes understand that tens of millions of niggers and spics that the communist jews want to keep flooding the country with are going to be our downfall.

Gas the kikes, race war, and execute at least half of the treasonous golems who call Israel our greatest ally.. then maybe we'll talk about a UBI for the whites who actually matter.

[Anonymous No.12757122]

>>12750777
powerful digits

[Anonymous No.12757133]

Andrew Yang made a compelling case on JRE. I'm on board if he can explain how UBI doesn't get cancelled out by inflation.

[Anonymous No.12757724]

2021 or 2022. TPTB need a democratic socialist puppet in office in order to pull this off.

[Anonymous No.12757935]

Hopefully never

Without freedom to fail we won't have freedom at all

[Anonymous No.12758023]

>>12750777
>german excited to pay for shitskins to laze around and squeeze about babies
lol what can I even say?

[Anonymous No.12758061]

>>12751010
Gas them all faggot

[Anonymous No.12758069]

>>12751091
lol faggot

[Anonymous No.12758085]

>>12751516
Woke. I'll be in there hunting pedos

[Anonymous No.12758094]

>>12751656
>archive their dreams
You have probably never left your house but that only makes me more inclined to believe your predictions

[Anonymous No.12758195]

>>12752789
Honestly, I'd like a Feudal World I could just land on, then carry on with my life.

[Anonymous No.12758206]

>>12752970
>For too long I've complained about the high level of taxation in my country, yet now that I've started to read up on finance it is becoming increasingly obvious to me that someone is actually looking out for the people who bother to look for a better way to get financial freedom.
Wish we had that in Australia.

[Anonymous No.12758419]

>>12758023
>>german excited to pay for shitskins to laze around and squeeze about babies
>lol what can I even say?
It's suppose to take about 5-7 years to become a naturalized citizen. This would only be entitled to citizens.
Though these days I just don't know.

[Anonymous No.12758425]

>>12752494
>...so what's the point of even working? If my country had what you had I'd literally quit my job today
Also alot of people like to show off to others and proof they're worth something.

[Anonymous No.12759210]

>>12750580
Lmao they did it in finland and nobody did anything productive with the extra money. Ubi is a plan to better control people

>ubi: no longer for people who visited myanmar stonecounting messageboards

[Anonymous No.12759221]

>>12758425
People aren't even willing to not do drugs and fuck on tv, they're not going to work for social points. You need a sense of shame to be shameable.

[Anonymous No.12759824]

https://www.palai.org/


>>12750580

[Anonymous No.12759832]

>>12750777
https://www.dsble.de/alle?q=palai
https://www.palai.org/

[Anonymous No.12759840]

You idiots think the standard of living wont be poverty tier ubi or you dipshits are shills

[Anonymous No.12760315]

>>12753820
We have that already, its called a credit score it's just less direct.

[Anonymous No.12760355]

>people memeing that the Finland experiment EPIC FAILED

Not even going to bother arguing with them.

It was a experiemt, it's conditions were changed because of government getting cold feet, and it wasn't canceled or failed, it ran its course and finished as planned.

Fucking dumbasses need to learn about how basic science and data is gathered.

[Anonymous No.12760364]

>>12751125
And then you raise it again
Look at brazils inflation and compare it to its minimum wage
Its laughable

[Anonymous No.12761024]

>>12751125
So what you're saying is it'd price out illegal immigrants?

[Anonymous No.12761069]

>actually believing Western societies can handle more deficit spending

I unironically hope my country goes even more socialist to this degree and basically prints away civilization so that the leftists get rightfully blamed for decimating my country

[Anonymous No.12762039]

>>12750588
>He thinks machines will fix themselves

There is always going to be maintenance jobs to fix these robots.

[Anonymous No.12762094]

>>12752819

>UBI failed in Finland.

What? How did it fail? It didn't decrease OR increase unemployment. It just improved their mental health. It literally proved the "people will stop working if they get free money" argument to be bullshit lol. Nothing changed.

[Anonymous No.12762118]

You have to be beyond retarded to think such a small amount of money will prevent people from working. There's no such thing as enough money for most people. There are literal billionaires who still keep working everyday even though they could easily retire.

[Anonymous No.12762175]

>>12762118
>literal billionaires who still keep working

Billionaires? Working? They don't work. That's why they are billionaires. They hire people to work for them, idiot.

[Anonymous No.12762186]

>>12762175

>Billionaires? Working? They don't work.

Lol.

[Anonymous No.12762233]

>>12750805
>just make a system in which citizens receive, and non-citizens dont.
That's why all these fuckers want to give immigrants legal status asap.
How often do I read from "crime done by an austrian" just to find out later that he is an "austrian" just since a few years.