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[Anonymous No.12529808]

>daily standup meeting

[Anonymous No.12529829]

>we dont have hierachies anymore, anon. every opinion counts equally

[Anonymous No.12529848]

>>12529808
> sprint goals

[Anonymous No.12530093]

>>12529829
>both of them have stepped on the thing they have in abundance while the other is missing - the guy stepping on a chair signifying his luxury and ability to use his wealth for comfort until his time runs out, while death is restless and eternal

kino painting

[Anonymous No.12530219]

>>12529808
>>12529848
Are you autistic? The daily standup takes few minutes and the planning of goals properly done avoid stress later on.

[Anonymous No.12530476]

>>12530219
Ours is half women and they just bitch about random shit and go off on tangents.

[Anonymous No.12530623]

>>12530476
lol

[Anonymous No.12531210]

>>12530219
>>12530476
>>12530623
standup, e.g., a time-wasting excuse to not do work

[Anonymous No.12531730]

>>12529808
Idiot. I wish we would do that. Instead of every week a 1 - 2 hours progress meeting while sitting and talking about and with every individual person in the room.

[Anonymous No.12531898]

>meetings

[Anonymous No.12531961]

After 10 years in office, you literally start to enjoy the meeting stuff as kino, cause everything else is a hard work ( in case you are doing a serious project that matters in industry ).

[Anonymous No.12532048]

>>12530093
Northern Renaissance is the best Renaissance

[Anonymous No.12532103]

>>12531961
Yeah I don't get why people dislike meetings. You get to chat with people or space out for a while; what's not to like?

[Anonymous No.12532205]

>sprint demo
>sprint retrospective
>time estimation

[Anonymous No.12532246]

>gotta scrum that agile sprint before the stand up Anon. Maybe book a meeting room via email to the guy sat next to you.
I miss self employment.

[Anonymous No.12532424]

I love meetings, but fuck stand-ups.

>Hey everyone
>Has anything changed since last time?
>No? Okay, enjoy the 10 min walk back to your desk in the 40C sun

[Anonymous No.12532745]

>>12532205
FUCKING HATE Agile.

Constant "War Room" scenario. Useful only for rapid app development or crisis management.

Other than that it's a waste of fucking time and useless American crap. It's infected so many damn businesses over here in the U.K.

No proper planning, documentation or anything done anymore, just "o well we'll move that item in the backlog to the next sprint". Technical debt just grows and grows.

The actual goal of the project is lost purely due to focus on short term wins.

[Anonymous No.12532857]

>>12532745
>tfw non-Agile company trying to move towards Lean
>tfw literally constant crisis management because they'd rather spend a month documenting a problem than a week fixing it
Defence is the biggest goddamn meme

[Anonymous No.12533842]

Since I have anxiety my heart starts pounding when it gets close to my turn. The entire meeting I'm just thinking about what I'm going to say and don't really listen to anyone else. Standup literally only exists to torture me.

[Anonymous No.12533863]

>>12533842
might aswell get medication. your fear wont go anyway. why not higher your standart of living

[Anonymous No.12533906]

>>12530219
Ours is an hour. The pajeets that run it think it is best to lump a dozen separate projects into one daily meeting and have everyone involved in each project attend every day.

[Anonymous No.12534128]

>>12533906
>Hourly daily meeting
>You don't even get a chair to sit in
I feel so sorry for you

[Anonymous No.12534244]

>>12533906
(holy fucking shit, out fucking scrummaster decided we do situps while we tell about what we did yesterday and what we do today...kill meeee

[Anonymous No.12534265]

>>12534244
please sergey getme out of this hell holleee...fucking sprint demo takes 3 hours and I almost kill myself everytime.

fucking sprint planning takes half a day, and we have to through every fucking piece of shit of a feature and discuss them...with the whole fucking team and with the whole fucking client team

[Anonymous No.12534298]

this is me at every fucking scrum meeting / event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypHZ_iKBcoo

[Anonymous No.12534423]

>>12531961

I was already at that state 3 years as a wagecuck.

[Anonymous No.12534443]

>>12532424

Pretty much what I feel, most standups are useless.

[Anonymous No.12534456]

i did my best

[Anonymous No.12534491]

true purpose of the daily standups is to keep the stoners in check
worked wonders on me

[Anonymous No.12534495]

>>12532745

You've been reading Michael O Church's critiques on Agile haven't you?

I quite like your description of Agile as a disease, which it's what it really is. It's now being used fucking everywhere in all kinds of projects just because... IT'S AGILE.

You'll just have to give less fucks about it and do your work despite the use of Agile in order to continue wagecucking, Agile won't be going anywhere soon.

[Anonymous No.12534503]

>>12533842

You're giving too many fucks about standups.

[Anonymous No.12534652]

Agile got fucking terrible. It’s a cult and management leveraged this to market “micromanagement” through a “lean —“ way. I’ve left tech industry because of Agile fags !

[Anonymous No.12534672]

>>12534652
If you think Agile is a cult, wait until you see Six Sigma.

[Anonymous No.12534729]

>>12534672
I seriously hate managers

[Anonymous No.12534840]

>>12534652
Funny. I use agile for my solo projects and it improved my productivity. Though I can see it quickly being cumbersome with even decent management.

[Anonymous No.12534851]

>>12529808
>Stretch and Flex

[Anonymous No.12534972]

>>12534840

Hmm, what do you mean by using Agile in solo projects?

[Anonymous No.12535064]

As explained in the book Amazon.com: The Design of Business: Why Design Thinking is the Next Competitive Advantage (8601200550054): Roger L. Martin: Books , you need to understand the how knowledge advances from one stage to another — via ‘S curve’ — from mystery (something we can't explain) to heuristic (a rule of thumb that guides us toward solution) to algorithm (a predictable formula for producing an answer) to code (when the formula becomes so predictable it can be fully automated). As knowledge advances across the stages (anecdotally, creative people enjoys it most at “mystery/heuristic” stages), productivity grows and costs drop-creating massive value for companies. This is a classic case of commoditisation and can be seen across many industries.

Every developer is different. SCRUM and many agile processes (funny it was supposed to be about people) or rituals try to homogenise creativity in order to ensure consistent delivery like a car production line. Yet people (who blindly implements Agile) forgot that software and tech is mostly a creative process which delivery is part of. Creative people don’t want it give contained in strict processes. Yes, you got to deliver concrete processes, but in its current design other than “spikes” Agile got no room to handle creative forces. And with current commoditisation of overall tech/soft-tech, creatives are mostly 35%, leaving rest of 65% to business / boilerplate stuff.

Everybody has their own tolerance to “business / boilerplate” stuff. A biotech researcher will have it at 20% where as a RubyRails engineer doing a commodity tech project may have 75%.

Dual Track Agile is trying to incorporate Design / Creatives better into the delivery. Read the Design Sprint book from Google Labs.

Personally I love to work at Mystery / Heuristic phase of a knowledg line. Yes, it may have “hungry poet” (crypto to rescue :) syndrome, but much happier than other phases.

[Anonymous No.12535127]

>>12534495
> Michael O Church
Big fan of this guy. Someone has to say it’s all BS. He did. Agile Coaches, GTFO !!

Just like parasites in finance, a whole gamut of people reorganised themselves in order to sell “Agile” to companies and executives. And executives saw tremendous opportunities in it as it was beneficial to masquerade micromanagement in a lingo that somehow developers loved.

[Anonymous No.12535380]

>>12534972
I do about 4 hours of development per day, I use a kanban board and track every 30 minutes I worked on which feature to help with future planning and I make a new working build every 2 weeks.

I use a couple of the ideas I got from studying agile.

I work essentially solo, but I hire freelancers sometimes for various things.

I can imagine that agile externally imposed can quickly become very annoying. It took me 6 months to refine it into a way that I don't mind using and increases my overall productivity. It started to pay off after 2 months and I got even with the time invested after 4 months.

[Anonymous No.12535402]

>>12535380
... but it wasn't until 6 months that I didn't hate it (which is good, because I tend to start hating most systems over time. I'm about a year in. We'll see how it goes).

[Anonymous No.12535469]

>>12533863
Hey man, I'm the same too, and people would probably classify me as an extrovert. :( It gets better though, in as, it won't affect me as much as it used to, I can work through it better.

[Anonymous No.12535498]

>>12534972
I can only imagine how corporate environments use agile to make things less efficient/humane. Tell me, what do they do?

[Anonymous No.12535527]

>>12535380
>I do about 4 hours of development per day, I use a kanban board

A good practice and not necessarily an Agile exclusive thing.

> track every 30 minutes I worked on which feature to help with future planning
Time tracking is also a good idea and again, not necessarily something from Agile.

>I make a new working build every 2 weeks.
That's also in general a good practice and the argument can be made that Agile helped on raising awareness on the benefits of relatively regular releases in order to get feedback from clients.

When you see people complain about Agile, it's not because of those concepts you're using. It's due to the fact that it really aids on micro-management and it really incentivizes short-term thinking over long-term thinking.

Read the following article for further critique on Agile, especially the "terminal juniority" and "career coherency" points:
https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/why-agile-and-especially-scrum-are-terrible/

[Anonymous No.12535651]

>>12535498
Besides the article I've linked before, there's also the insidious incentive of using Agile in all teams in all kinds of work because it's easier for it to be controlled by managers and it also leads to a really one sided transparency.

I usually feel like an assembly line worker while working with "Agile" as a software developer and I think it's not a coincidence at all.

The following is also an interesting read:
https://media.defense.gov/2018/Oct/09/2002049591/-1/-1/0/DIB_DETECTING_AGILE_BS_2018.10.05.PDF

[Anonymous No.12535715]

>>12535651

To wrap up, Agile was a nice idea at first but it was corrupted by snake oil sellers who shilled it to managers all over the fucking world.

[Anonymous No.12535747]

>>12532103
When the people you have to talk to are insufferable to be around and your normal work involves chilling and eating anyways (also sitting or standing at your pleasure not talking for 10 freaking minutes about your musings fucking Jim)

[Anonymous No.12535817]

>>12529808
We managed to convince our supervisor that these could be held by phone, so at least we don't have to be in person.

That said, they are still awful. Without fail one of the normies on the team has to bring up a completely unrelated anecdote about their kids, or cooking for their kids, or bringing their kids from daycare.

MAKE IT STOP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.12535978]

>>12535715
>>12535651
>>12535527
Interesting. Honestly, the self-tracking also makes me feel like an assemblyworker, but I simply end up doing more and I value the results higher than job satisfaction (in fact I went into software to trade satisfaction for financial results).

It makes sense that a lot of bunk agile stuff is getting sold. 70% of agile that I read seemed filler. Although I get a better understanding of it through the articles you share; I simply have no corporate experience.

Those meetings and "story moments" still mystify me. Get someone who values employee time to moderate those meetings and cutoff bertha when she wants to talk about little billy.