If Trump keeps the government shutdown and operating in essentials only mode until the end of his term, he will be the greatest president in recent history.

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Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:10:00 2019 No.12483382 [Reply] [Original]

If Trump keeps the government shutdown and operating in essentials only mode until the end of his term, he will be the greatest president in recent history.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:10:45 2019 No.12483389 >>12483382 in fact it makes me realize we could cut a lot of the government infrastructure without anyone noticing

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:12:07 2019 No.12483403 >>12483382 >if no government employees are paid for 2 full years, he will be a great president Who needs roads or the FAA or national parks or a paid military?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:12:44 2019 No.12483411 >>12483382 Oh the government shut down? Has anything actually fucking changed?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:14:46 2019 No.12483430 >>12483403 Fucking nobody! If there was a demand for it, someone would create the supply.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:17:59 2019 No.12483462 friendly reminder that mass layoffs will be triggered next week

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:20:07 2019 No.12483478

>>12483411
National parks are being destroyed.
Coast guard and TSA are not being paid.
IRS workers not being paid.
Other "non-essential" workers not being paid.

Food stamps will shut down in Feb.

If you haven't noticed you must live in bumfuck nowhere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:20:16 2019 No.12483480 >>12483411 Yeah, the largest employer in the country is no longer paying its employees. If it goes another month, expect huge problems with the finance and real estate sectors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:25:11 2019 No.12483526 >>12483478 I live in Boston, and nothing has changed. Sorry about your foodstamps though... :(

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:25:25 2019 No.12483527 >>12483382 Congress shut down the government you fucking retard.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:25:27 2019 No.12483528

>>12483403
Ok i'll bite.
we're talking about just the fed. If the fed was gone or was a minimal 'glue' for the states, your own state would regulate it's own airspace. Military except the coast guard is still on pay as of today (and is ever expanding). national parks are a historical wart. when they were established, local jurisdictions in the candidate protection areas did not have any resources to accomplish the necessary tasks. NPS creation could easily be repealed and replaced by the local government in each state in present day US.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:27:53 2019 No.12483546 >>12483528 What's wrong with national parks?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:29:30 2019 No.12483560 >>12483526 I don't have foodstamps nignog. TSA is going to go on strike soon though, which would shut down american air travel. You MAGA idiots are causing damage to the economy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:29:43 2019 No.12483562 >>12483546 Sell them to Indian casino operations. The redskins make some coin and they get to raise buffalos or eagles or whatever with the rest of the land. Win win.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:30:45 2019 No.12483578 >>12483560 Fire and rehire non union, just like Regan did with air traffic controllers. Easy solution.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:30:48 2019 No.12483581 >>12483403 >muh roads KYS

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:33:44 2019 No.12483610 >>12483389 except for the fact that most furloughed employees with important jobs have just continued to work without pay. we haven't seen what it would actually look like for the fed to actually shut down.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:33:58 2019 No.12483616

>>12483528
I'm in the Coast Guard. You know we're the only branch that conducts real operations 24/7, 365 days a year right? While some dude in the army may be doing training for three years and see some action for a week in his entire enlistment, we are constantly dealing with shit on a daily basis that never stops. This whole not getting paid shit is really frustrating, and the absolute lack of understanding of the USCG's many missions is ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:35:01 2019 No.12483627 >>12483578 who's going to pay them though? the government is shut down asshat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:36:05 2019 No.12483640 >>12483560 TSA is unconstitutional

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:36:57 2019 No.12483647 >>12483616 You're gonna get your money, and I assume almost all of us here support you guys because you keep the Haitians out. When Trump has to declare a stopgap emergency, you're going to be one of the first departments covered, guaranteed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:37:16 2019 No.12483650 >>12483478 How is this bad

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:37:28 2019 No.12483653

>>12483610
This right here. People saying that they haven't noticed anything are absolutely retarded. The government is basically running a skeleton crew that is not being paid. Skeleton crews are NOT viable for long term operations, and once that non-paid skeleton crew decides to stop showing up for work, then you are truly fucked.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:37:42 2019 No.12483656 >>12483616 do you get housing and meals paid like all the other service branches?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:38:00 2019 No.12483659 >>12483627 Declared emergency to cover essential operations, obviously. No foodstamps for you!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:41:50 2019 No.12483690 >>12483610 That's the essential category not furlough. Neither are getting paid but both will get backpay. It's basically a paid vacation as long as you can manage your bills.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:43:27 2019 No.12483701

>>12483647
That's fantastic, but it sure doesn't help the brand new kids coming out of bootcamp last week who still haven't received their first paycheck from the military. It's absolutely fucking pathetic that I have to go into work and explain to them in their first week that their Commander-in-Chief, the highest ranking official in their chain of command, has failed to find a solution to pay them. I then have to explain to them how to get a loan without getting butt fucked. These mother fuckers joined the military with nothing but good intentions, and for what? Not getting paid? Not to mention the complete shutdown of all training at the moment. Boats and Helos are launched daily for training exercises, and it's actually extremely important, especially during the winter months when there isn't as much Search and Rescue to be done. We are constantly training, but as of right now, we have no money for fuel for training. Training centers are also shut down. All E-3s must undergo specific schooling in order to advance to E-4, and that has been completely stopped. Some of those E-3s have been waiting 2-3+ years to get to their training. The Coast Guard is also extremely short handed at the moment, with retention rates and moral at an all time low. Due to this shutdown, to my knowledge, all new bootcamp companies have been delayed and no new recruits are being allowed in. Our unofficial motto has always been "Do more with less", but now it's "Do all with nothing".

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:44:49 2019 No.12483718

>>12483656
Yes, we do. We are a military branch, no different than any of the other branches. We receive all benefits.

>14USC1
The Coast Guard, established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:45:08 2019 No.12483719

>>12483528
local governments have been shown to be untrustworthy in this regard. Almost every state with a national park wants to sell some of it to oil and mining interests due to corruption on the local scale. Honestly, we need a public trust running on a distributed blockchain system where people can pick up trash, maintain trails, etc. and get paid or credit for their contribution (pay a deposit to camp, get your deposit returned based on contribution). You could have a small policing force of rangers who get paid out of this fund to prevent degradation, using automated surveillance to charge anyone for vandalism in the highly-trafficked areas. Centralized government is technologically obsolete once LINK-enabled smart sensors go on the market.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:45:28 2019 No.12483724 >>12483382 well as long as the national parks are safe, I really could not care about the shutdown.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:47:25 2019 No.12483740 >>12483382 who is she?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:47:36 2019 No.12483742 >>12483719 fantastic mr orwell, we'll add it to your next essay collection.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:57:45 2019 No.12483829 >>12483719 LINK is the only hope for better governance. Sergey will save us all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:00:17 2019 No.12483849 File: 58 KB, 550x550, 1325623620568.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12483478 Oh no! Not the IRS! Not the food stamps! This is seeeewious!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:02:05 2019 No.12483870 >>12483659 TSA is non-essential. You'd need to work with congress.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:03:07 2019 No.12483880 >>12483724 I have some bad news for you anon... The national parks are getting trashed at the moment. Sewage and human waste not being cleaned up and a couple Joshua trees were already cut down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:03:43 2019 No.12483882 File: 750 KB, 1089x676, 480298490843294802342.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12483382 He won't. He should but he won't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:03:45 2019 No.12483883 >>12483382 He already is the greatest, after uncle Adolf

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:04:07 2019 No.12483889 >>12483849 IRS is how the gov collects money moron. Are you an anarchist?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:04:32 2019 No.12483896 >>12483581 >"Roads and Bridges" Get so tired of politicians saying that shit every election.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:05:06 2019 No.12483902 >>12483719 Leave it to /biz/ to find a way to shoehorn LINK shilling into abdolutely every topic. "Yawn".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:08:03 2019 No.12483926 >>12483403 Shut up faggot. The FAA, while definitely necessecy in some capacity, is actually not as important as you think. Same with ATC. My dad used to fly the 9 into an uncontrolled airport back in the day and it was fine. >t.pilotfag

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:10:22 2019 No.12483952 >>12483880 is bad for me to advocate the killing of these individuals?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:18:19 2019 No.12484021 Fuck the wall. I'd rather the money spent on hiring more Border Patrol agents and military.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:18:27 2019 No.12484023

>>12483478
>lmao and all the /pol/fags in here will tell you that this is all a good thing. Who needs any government? Just privatize the roads, privatize the USPS, privatize the military, who needs some government body like the EPA or FDA to ensure there isn't lead in your food, just trust the private corporations! You want to enjoy the natural beauty of Yellowstone? Stiff, it should have been nuked years ago so private oil companies could drill on the land! You want to fly in an airport? Enjoy waiting in line with 1500 other faggots. Interstate system that Eisenhower first built? Don't need to maintain it, I'm sure new private roads will be built to supply demand.

Bunch of fucking retards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:19:17 2019 No.12484029 >>12483403 Agreed

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:20:27 2019 No.12484037 >>12484021 >border patrol ? >patroling patrolling what? >a hypothetical line in the sand

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:22:46 2019 No.12484056

there should be no federal tax, the federal government can be as liberal as it wants to. it has to fund itself by selling public institutions into the private sector.
local governments should maintain their reasonable taxes and have conservative leaders.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:22:48 2019 No.12484058 >>12484037 Fuck off nigger.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:23:30 2019 No.12484061 >>12484023 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:26:33 2019 No.12484092 >>12484037 are you really this retarded? you think the US/Mexico border isn't already defined? dude's trying to replace a fence with a wall. that's what all this is about. I don't think you have any idea how much money we're talking about here either.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:27:53 2019 No.12484104

>>12483382
unironically agree, plus this shines a light on the fact that many government jobs should actually be done by the private sector - Trump is changing the perception of Americans into how our government ought to function in real-time, simply amazing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:29:13 2019 No.12484115 >>12484056 I take it you're strongly against funding the wall too then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:29:43 2019 No.12484120 >>12484092 You know that people can easily cut a hole in the fence with a saw right? The fence is a retarded idea for $5bn

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:31:03 2019 No.12484129

>>12484104
Stop shilling this false dichotomy between public / private sector.
Private companies can compete with public services if they want, and they do. Look at FedEx and UPS for example.
The only reason why anyone argues for a traditionally public service moved over to the private sector is for greed and ripping off taxpayers through shoddy, inferior service.
Everything that is privatized always goes up in costs and diminishes in quality.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:32:04 2019 No.12484141 >>12484120 Dude, that wall that is proposed to be built out of steel can be climbed in a few minutes by using magnets. Hire more Border Patrol. Give them guns. Let them shoot invaders on sight. Illegal aliens have no rights.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:35:15 2019 No.12484160 >>12483742 nigger my name is bradbury

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:36:38 2019 No.12484171 >>12483382 I wish putin's paid shills would fuckoff back to /pol/ where they belong. As if the federalist vs anti-federalist debade wasn't settled 100 fucking years ago

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:37:28 2019 No.12484178 >>12484061 the voices inside his head

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:38:28 2019 No.12484188

>>12484120
nobody is suggesting 5B for a fence faggot....it's 5B for a wall.
you know people can use ladders to get over a wall right? most of them just cross legally though anyway.
5B could literally employ 100k agents at $50k for a year. that's one for every 100 feet of boarder. an equally stupid idea, but at least it feeds the economy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:39:10 2019 No.12484195 >>12483403 I don't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:41:06 2019 No.12484211 >>12484115 Fuck the wall. Just privatize border patrol by letting rednecks legally hunt and kill offenders.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:41:43 2019 No.12484216

>>12484188
You don't have them for every 100 ft. You have a redundancy set up, where they are set to patrol certain miles of the border. About every 1/4 mile two agents will meet each other. That means you could have 4 agents within 1/2 mile.
Easy to spot invaders, easy to shoot them down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:42:02 2019 No.12484218 >>12484211 >>12484211 They'd just end up smuggling drugs for the cartels.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:42:10 2019 No.12484223

>>12484129
They could strike a happy medium though. Private sector can often get away with paying their lower level employees much less than government employees earn. The problem is that the differential is absorbed at the top by the CEOs and upper management.

If government passed certain regulations that prohibited executives from earning certain multipliers in relation to the day-to-day grunts, it could go a long way at establishing a perfect equilibrium.

Essentially have a more strongly regulated private sector in areas that impact normal public/utility-type services.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:43:46 2019 No.12484235 >>12484211 I wonder who would win? Organized Mexican gangs, or some redneck neighborhood watch dog with a regular job and family. the guy might hate spics, but he's not going to go to war over this shit. let's think this through....

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:46:09 2019 No.12484256 >>12483952 Wouldn't surprised if it was the left false flagging desu. Not saying that the right wouldnt hesitate to do something like that but its not in their interest arm > rules for radicals

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:49:45 2019 No.12484286

>>12484223
I see what you are saying, but the pop rhetoric is that it must be public or it must be private.
I don't know anything about passing laws that control pay. I am not sure what kind of Pandora's Box that would open.
I'd prefer if people (consumers) would stop feeling compelled to involve themselves with businesses that are greedy and destructive to society.
I definitely think lobbying should be illegal though.
And former officers should get no pension. It says just compensation, not forever pensioned.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:52:33 2019 No.12484326

>>12484129
> Everything that is privatized always goes up in costs and diminishes in quality.

Complete bullshit. Try using the Medicare system for a few years and you’ll quickly understand why some people who qualify for free healthcare through Medicare choose to pay for health insurance anyway.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:58:17 2019 No.12484379

>>12484326
lol what? They get extra insurance because Medicare doesn't cover everything properly (it could but Congress won't let it.) For what it does cover Medicare is by far the cheapest health insurance option in the US by a wide margin, especially for hospital shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:58:34 2019 No.12484383 >>12484061 Misplaced the >, wasn't quoting anyone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:59:17 2019 No.12484388 File: 558 KB, 699x518, 1547664743717.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12484188 We need border robots

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:01:10 2019 No.12484408 >>12484023 Holy shit, this level of delusion cannot be reasoned with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:01:31 2019 No.12484414 >>12484326 The only reason medical costs are so high is because Nixon allowed for private health care providers inside of traditionally publicly funded hospitals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:05:35 2019 No.12484446 >>12483430 LMAO

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:08:22 2019 No.12484469

>>12484414
Wrong again. The reason costs are so high is because government regulations and incentives have created a situation where the employer provides healthcare for the employee. This results in ignorance of costs since it is indirect, and ballooning costs as insurers have found a way to milk the broken system created by well meaning, but hopelessly ill fated government regulations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:09:34 2019 No.12484485 >>12483650 Food stamps are for the rich too anon. Desperate people do desperate things. And 40% of food stamp recipients are white. A very large majority of recipients are children. If you can't see how this is bad, you're not an American.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:10:49 2019 No.12484502 >>12484211 cringe >>12484218 this, money talks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:12:28 2019 No.12484517 >>12484469 Those same regulations only being necessary because Nixon allowed private companies into traditionally publicly funded hospitals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:23:56 2019 No.12484636 >>12483478 https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/14/smoke-out-resistance/ Nah, the shut down is golden. Rip the bandaid off of the unconstitutional parts of government that are wasteful and unproductive to a properly functioning system.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:27:26 2019 No.12484673 >>12484115 I would prefer the land to be auctioned with border security requirements being built into the title.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:28:27 2019 No.12484680
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>>12484636
That article is garbage and made me dumber for reading it.
What do you have against the Coast Guard? Secret Service? They are all not being paid and that is SHAMEFUL.
Shame on you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:31:49 2019 No.12484715 >>12483616 Lmao you guys are lower than firefighters, just overpaid EMT techs

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:34:59 2019 No.12484750 >>12484636 I agree. Fuck the US. Tear it all down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:36:58 2019 No.12484770 >>12484680 Maybe if more public servants were required to afford their own private security than be babied by the tax payer we wouldn't have so many snowflakes in congress like you getting all uppity in public

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:37:52 2019 No.12484783 >>12484715 Some of the dumbest people I've ever met. I did a lot of work at the Boston USCG base and man I've never seen a bigger bunch of useless assholes floating around doing nothing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:39:58 2019 No.12484811 >>12484770 >Maybe if more public servants were required to ((be rich)) we wouldn't have so many ((democrats)) wew lad Now go fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:40:38 2019 No.12484820 >>12484770 Do you even know what the Secret Service does?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:41:44 2019 No.12484831 >>12484783 I have family that have worked with some commission core dipshits who were pulled from the USCG, some of the laziest pieces of shit they've ever had to manage. >>12484811 >on business and finance board >hates rich people You need to leave

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:45:27 2019 No.12484858 >>12484820 Just absorb them further into the larger FBI after you remove the liberal saboteurs

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:46:41 2019 No.12484867 File: 2.36 MB, 1043x1200, 2018-10-29.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12484831 >hates rich people >You need to leave Spread love not hate anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:47:27 2019 No.12484876 >>12484783 They call them puddle pirates for a reason

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:49:29 2019 No.12484891 >>12484867 The only thing people have a right to in this country is property and the business end of a gun, fuck off

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:58:02 2019 No.12484974

>>12483701
>It's absolutely fucking pathetic that I have to go into work and explain to them in their first week that their Commander-in-Chief, the highest ranking official in their chain of command, has failed to find a solution to pay them.
He asked for 5 billion. Dems dont want it so dont blame him. Furthermore why are they so dependent upon one paycheck. They should have savings and funds to use in emergencies. Its literally why every sleep help person advocates emergency fund.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 17:59:06 2019 No.12484984 >>12483889 IRs is funded you dummie it's a partial shutdown.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:01:29 2019 No.12485002 >>12483430 Correct! Look at the middle east. Huge demand for militaries and they pop up all the time. Capitalism wins.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:02:50 2019 No.12485019 >>12483478 Or you're not poor? Only thing that I'm noticing are long TSA lines

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:03:09 2019 No.12485024

>>12484984
The employees aren't being paid dude.
What kind of news have you been reading?

>The Treasury Department’s updated shutdown plan for the IRS released Tuesday provides for 46,000 employees, or 57.4 percent of the agency’s workforce, to be working during the tax-filing season. It also confirms that the IRS will issue refunds during the shutdown.

>But the plan didn’t answer all of the questions that lawmakers and tax experts have, and there are lingering doubts about how effective the IRS will be at doing its job while its employees are working without pay due to the funding lapse.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/425758-irs-shutdown-plan-fails-to-quell-worries

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:04:50 2019 No.12485038 >>12483560 FUCK THE TSA who cares????

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:06:35 2019 No.12485052 >>12485038 Agreed, fuck the TSA. Which shit political party put them into power?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:08:47 2019 No.12485075 >>12485052 That would be the Republicans. >>12485038 Traitor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:14:53 2019 No.12485128 >>12483430 And if there was demand for the wall, somebody would create the supply. donny is conning you. there's no reason the wall shouldn't be privately funded by good ole capitalists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:14:58 2019 No.12485130 >>12483701 >>12484974 >Extend Mexican border wall into Gulf of Mexico, all the way to Bermuda >no longer need Coast Guard win/win

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:16:05 2019 No.12485139 >>12483889 IRS is unconstitutional, faggot. Just like the TSA. I say the IRS can keep our tax returns this year and we call it a severance package, the move on to a flat tax.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:16:18 2019 No.12485141 >>12483849 >he doesn't understand food stamps are essentially riot insurance

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:16:29 2019 No.12485144 As soon as food stamps get shut off and niggers start chimping out the Dems will come to the table and give Trump his wall or else people will realize what parasites these niggers are and start the day of the rope a couple decades early.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:18:15 2019 No.12485161 >>12483740 Gina Brapwell

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:19:45 2019 No.12485167

>>12484974
>Furthermore why are they so dependent upon one paycheck. They should have savings and funds to use in emergencies

Did you read the part about them being brand new to the military right out of high school? They haven't had any fucking time to save you dumb cunt. And it is SOLELY the president's responsibility to keep the military paid, as he is the highist ranking individual in the chain of command, regardless of the circumstances. It falls to him and him alone to take care of his military branches. He can make excuses and blame whoever he wants, but it is always the Commander-in-chief's responsibility to maintain the military. I don't really give a fuck about the wall one way or another, but does not change the fact that it is HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:21:17 2019 No.12485181

>>12485130
>Not seizing drugs and migrants all the way as far as the Caribbean on the east coast and Panama on the west coast.

The absolute state. This is what I'm talking about. Not to mention the stupid fucking rich white dudes we save literally every single day when their dumbasses can't figure out how to navigate their retarded yachts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:22:13 2019 No.12485191 >>12484129 >Everything that is privatized always goes up in costs and diminishes in quality. Literally the opposite of the truth.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:25:45 2019 No.12485218

>>12485191
>Literally the opposite of the truth.
Privatization is excellent for competitive prices, up until companies grow into monopolies and have enough resources to end competitive pricing. We are at that point now, and it is why you are seeing absolutely ridiculous retarded prices for data, cable, phone, and digital devices.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:26:12 2019 No.12485222 >>12485141 Yes goy, create more generations of future rioters with riot insurance. What could go wrong? It WILL end eventually, either by being shut off or when the check finally bounces, may as well rip the bandaid off while we have numbers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:26:34 2019 No.12485226 >>12483701 get a load of this faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:31:37 2019 No.12485275 >>12485128 >And if there was demand for foodstamps, somebody would create the supply. >obama is conning you. see, it's easy to be a cunt

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:33:06 2019 No.12485284 >>12485222 >he doesn't understand the function of the lower class and proletariat is to scare the middle class into conforming and producing without the lower class, you are the lower class. Are you even a capitalist? Did you miss that day of school?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:33:38 2019 No.12485286 >>12485167 Sounds like they should've studied harder in high school -- then they wouldn't be in this predicament.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:37:03 2019 No.12485310

>>12485275
you know how I know you're american, because you're fucking retarded.

I'm applying right wing "logic" to a "right wing" solution in attempt to find some sort of consistency.
You're intrinsically creating a hypocritical argument on purpose.
No one who aligns them self with Obama also believes that the free market is the end all be all to proper allocation of resources.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:45:42 2019 No.12485389 >>12485284 >there was no lower/ working class before ebt, and there won't be one after it's gone Dude...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:49:25 2019 No.12485425 >>12485389 would you like to finish that thought?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:55:15 2019 No.12485471 >>12483560 >TSA is going to go on strike soon Trump should just fire these worthless nigs.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:55:45 2019 No.12485480

>>12485425
Dude... your assertion is ridiculous.

Better? You don't believe a working class can only exist with food redistributed from my production, do you?

Incidentally, in very much working class myself, if a business owner can be considered such. Lower income, physical work, and providing for an entirely self sufficient family. I don't begrudge my lot in life. I work hard (provide value to the classes above me) and feed my kin. I'm the lower class you should want to multiply; not the parasites.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:02:18 2019 No.12485524 >>12485286 Sounds like you should have joined the military, maybe you would've learned how to not be a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:03:28 2019 No.12485532 >>12485524 Not if you were there during the Obama years.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:04:29 2019 No.12485544 >>12485532 What?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:06:10 2019 No.12485557 >>12485544 I think he's saying during the Obama years the military was very pro-faggot. There may be some wisdom to his words if we look close enough. Let's not be hasty...

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:08:30 2019 No.12485579

>>12485480
>he thinks just because he owns a business he's not a slave
>even after he admits his whole existence is just to be a good boy and provide value to the classes above

it's the nature of capitalism to keep shaking you fucking commoners for all your lunch money, keeping you on edge until you fall into the pit yourself.
You hate those under you collecting from the government because you're scared you might become one too.
You think that it's their existence slowly pulling you down to their level because you're familiar with them and shop at the same stores as them. You're unaware that it's those faceless lords above you that are pushing you down to their level.

Every society in history that's allowed the captains of industry to assert their greedy and selfish will on the population at large without paying their "riot insurance" has eventually succumbed to revolution.
If you don't understand this, you don't even understand neoliberal economics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:12:33 2019 No.12485610 >>12485557 Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was never a witch hunt and nobody really gave a shit about it at the deck plate level because the average enlisted man was going to the Banana Show in Okinawa and had no room to judge other people’s sexual proclivities.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:18:06 2019 No.12485654

>>12485579
We're all slaves, that's true; moreover, we're all slaves under any economic or political system.

My life is good. I'm working caste, but more autonomous that all but the upper echelon. I Hulu instead of cable, but live like a futuristic king even in juxtaposition to American people of 50 years ago, let alone anyone living under in a self described strictly socialist system. It's perhaps not a perfect system, but I make it work.

If we're to improve upon the productive man's station, let's first eliminate the subsidizing of non-production. Subsidized/ public loaned post- secondary education not resulting in a productive job, and foodstamps should be the first cuts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:19:52 2019 No.12485664 >>12485286 Ahh the weak b8 4chan style. Did a Boomer teach you this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:20:56 2019 No.12485676 >>12485610 I'm just breaking balls. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm wrestling with the other non- American anon against his desire to subsidize the expansion of generations of future rioters, and I've got my hands full.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:21:14 2019 No.12485680

>>12485557
Dude no one in the military gives a fuck if people are gay, even today. The military was no different now under Obama than it is now, besides us (USCG) not being funded for damn near a month now. The whole "gays in the military" thing is purely a civilian and political argument. No one actually in the military has ever really given the slightest fuck whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:21:18 2019 No.12485682 >>12483527 It's true, trump agenda is transparently Mitch mcturtle's agenda

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:22:19 2019 No.12485693 >>12485680 I just realized that my sentence structure in this reply is abysmal and autistic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:23:08 2019 No.12485703 >>12485680 Can you suck a goofball through a garden house?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:24:41 2019 No.12485712 >>12485703 *golfball

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:24:44 2019 No.12485713 >>12485703 I'm sure I could figure it out with the proper training, but unfortunately training has apparenbtly been shit canned.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:25:46 2019 No.12485722

>>12485654
>talks shit on socialist countries
>has clearly never been to a socialist country
>we're all slaves no matter what ideology we use
>thinks all labor can be immediately quantified for it's productive capital value
>imagines himself a "king" compared to the past
>admits the systems broken, but accepts it anyway
>uses Hulu
>thinks his life is good

ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the americuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:29:03 2019 No.12485754 >the wall has lifelong liberals turned to fiscal conservatives The irony is palpable

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:31:28 2019 No.12485771 >>12485754 It works both ways. Only Gingrich ever managed to actually decrease spending and he only did it to fuck with Clinton.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:31:46 2019 No.12485776

>>12485722
You seem down on life. Having trouble finding a job with your liberal arts degree?

I'm grateful for what I have, for what I've earned, and for the things I'm working towards. There are limits to how high i can climb in this system, true, but i can climb. Your defeatist attitude and collectivist rhetoric suggests to me wherever you are, and whatever it is you do, you cannot climb. Your system, or the constraints you've applied to yourself through chaining yourself to the white collar status system (education, debt, etc) have you pinned to defeat.

I wouldn't trade places with you for anything.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:32:36 2019 No.12485785 >>12485680 >Dude no one in the military gives a fuck if people are gay, even today. This is a big part of the problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:35:02 2019 No.12485810 >>12485785 What's the problem with it? Getting mad at other people are gay is like being on a diet and getting mad at other people for eating a fucking doughnut.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:36:01 2019 No.12485824 >>12485776 >concern trolling this hard I've got an engineering degree and work in Germany. I could work in America and earn more money than you in a heart beat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:38:28 2019 No.12485845 >>12485524 >coast guard >real military pick one

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:39:49 2019 No.12485856 >>12485810 Can't have a moral military without moral men. I have no doubt that homosexuality(among other perversions) is used to blackmail top military brass and politicians.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:40:40 2019 No.12485860 >>12483528 Pure delusion

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:42:31 2019 No.12485874 >>12485856 You can’t have moral men with an all volunteer force. The modern US military is half workfare program and half mercenary force.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:43:30 2019 No.12485879 File: 57 KB, 400x441, 1533389981593.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12483478 >Food stamps will shut down in Feb. holy fuck i hope this transpires. imagine the chimp out.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:43:30 2019 No.12485880

>>12485824
But you won't be happier or more autonomous; additionally, as my business becomes more systemized, something I work towards every day (already subcontracting aspects of fabrication), my earning capacity scales exponentially and my earnings become decoupled from time. Unless you strike out on your own, and succeeded (like I'm succeeding), you'll never match my potential, even here.

Being a working class dude with no debt is a good gig in a mostly capitalistic system. God bless capitalism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:44:05 2019 No.12485889 >>12485824 lol we don't want you Muhammad

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:51:28 2019 No.12485951 >>12485845 14USC1

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:52:47 2019 No.12485968 >>12485693 Faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:53:02 2019 No.12485969 >>12485856 >People not in the military talking about how the military should be Fucking kek >blackmail top military brass Nope, not anymore since no one in the military gives a shit like I said before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 19:56:22 2019 No.12485994 >>12485969 While nobody may give a shit, lets not pretend like the rank and file enlisted aren’t a pack of degenerates. I was in bootcamp when the towers fell and the wave of shitters that came after that was horrifying.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:01:43 2019 No.12486026

>>12485994
>wave of shitters that came after that was horrifying.
100% fact my friend, and those are the people who are above me currently. These are the E-7+ and O-5+. More junior ranks are not the same, and are much more educated and intelligent. It amazes me how big of a difference there is between the brand new boots and the old guys. 2001 was 18 years ago, so the people joining today were barely alive during 9/11. Most of the kids joining today just want to go to college, and are pretty decent human beings. 18 years can make a big difference in the military, I'm sure you know that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:11:34 2019 No.12486094 Jesus, there really going to be a civil war.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:12:57 2019 No.12486104 >>12483382 can't wait the famine for ra** all these thot free

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:14:38 2019 No.12486116 >>12486104 >What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:15:50 2019 No.12486122 File: 6 KB, 244x206, download.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >black TSA lady screaming "stay woke" at a security checkpoint Simple delightful

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:17:40 2019 No.12486136 He is saving billions of dollars every week. He is fucking genius.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:18:38 2019 No.12486144 >>12484974 >la la not our fault Unironically out of touch

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:20:51 2019 No.12486159 >>12485680 reminder that the Spartans maintained their independence from Macedonia because they were too gay for Phillip's army NOT because they were great warriors

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:22:35 2019 No.12486163 >>12485275 >food stamps being compared to a waste of money that gives morons a sense of symbolic achievement while doing nothing in real life

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:23:29 2019 No.12486167 >>12486159 Didn't both Phillip and Alexander forcefully rape dudes for fun? How were they less gay? >Disregard if they said no homo

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:24:15 2019 No.12486171 >>12485579 You can write but you can’t read

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:28:51 2019 No.12486201 >>12483382 Agreed. This shutdown is only proving that most of government is useless and our tax money is basically going down the toilet. Gov employees can starve fuck them

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:30:50 2019 No.12486210 so have any of you guys prepared with guns and ammo and foods, when the shit hit the fan? When the nig nog is starving and desperate?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:31:12 2019 No.12486213 >>12484891 /r/iamverybadass over here >>12485275 what are foodbanks? fucking wow.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:35:30 2019 No.12486236

>>12483382
During Roussef's impeachment here in Brazil, she was suspended from presidential duties during her impeachment trial that lasted ~9 months. Absolutely nothing changed in the lives of normal plebs. I mean absolutely nothing....

Governments are the greatest ponzi scheme ever invented.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:38:52 2019 No.12486254 >>12483382 He's already the greatest president in Americas history. The only people who disagree are single women and degenerate socialists. Neither of these types people are intelligent in any way shape or form. Completely detached from reality.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:43:23 2019 No.12486278

>>12485754
iono man, looking at the budget deficit in the last 20 years it seems the libs have been the fiscal conservatives for a while.

>>12485856
> homosexuality(among other perversions) is used to blackmail top military brass
...
> blackmailing someone with being gay
> it's ok to be gay
pick one

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:48:27 2019 No.12486304

I am not American so maybe there is something that I am missing but, how come that the parties use the gov shutdown to threaten the other party to do what they want?
Aren't republicans supposed to be in favor of small as possible government? How can you threaten someone with giving him what they like?

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:53:15 2019 No.12486330

>>12486304
That's what /pol/ would refer to as 4d chess. I don't know if it was premeditated or not, but it's win win win for Trump as far as his actual constituents and center right independents are concerned. Win lose or draw (wall, shut down of gov waste, or declared emergency). The people who voted for him, and many who didn't are good with all three outcomes.

That's how it seems to me anyways. I'm probably wrong though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 20:58:56 2019 No.12486362 >>12485524 Even if that's true, his point still stands.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:00:02 2019 No.12486368 >>12485524 Meant to reply to >>12485286

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:03:59 2019 No.12486399

>>12486330
This is fairly accurate. The only people who blame trump for this are people who blame trump for literally everything. Everyone who ever considered voting for him is impressed that he is actually attempting to do what he said he would do. And even if it never happens he can always said he did literally everything in his power.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:15:36 2019 No.12486490

>>12486330
People who support trump will support him no matter what he does. He could open the border and grant all immigrants citizenship and his base would say it's a good move that will support the economy by allowing business to pay lower wages for labor jobs. He could instate a single-payer health care system and his base would say it's a good move because grandma no longer has to rely on the lord to save her through a miracle. He could require all children to be vaccinated and his base would suddenly turn around and say vaccinations are a gift from god, while somehow still disagreeing with modern medical science. Remember that Trump supporters are statistically less educated than other citizens in our country, which just goes to show how poor our education system truly is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:17:18 2019 No.12486508 >>12486304 small government is a meme. corporatists argue for that because they want tax money to subsidize their businesses instead of relying upon market techniques.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:19:05 2019 No.12486523 >>12483382 Cull the government, pull out of the Middle East and clamp down on immigration.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:36:04 2019 No.12486648 >>12483560 >You MAGA idiots are causing damage to the economy The Democrats did the shutdown.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:40:25 2019 No.12486692 >>12484235 >Organized Mexican gangs, or some redneck neighborhood watch dog with a regular job and family. Fun fact cartels got their shit pushed in by farmers with families armed with single shot guns. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:42:00 2019 No.12486702 >>12484891 >gonna be funny when cletus and Ricky decide your ass sure is purdy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:42:34 2019 No.12486707 >>12486648 >>12486692 Fun fact cartels would push your shit in and behead your entire family right in front of you, and you wouldn't be able to do a god damn thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 21:44:13 2019 No.12486721 >>12486692 Some rednecks have an arsenal large enough for a small army. Give them access to military weaponry and there will be no stopping them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 22:09:51 2019 No.12486908 >>12486707 Except pull out my guns and kill them. Oh no.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 22:28:14 2019 No.12487049 >>12486908 You're probably a shit shot

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 22:32:23 2019 No.12487076 >>12483478 Their paychecks are being held, if they are working they will get retro paychecks when the shutdown is over. People are overexaggerating the shit out of this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 22:36:45 2019 No.12487107 >>12487076 Being paid months from now is not the same as being paid on time. Rent doesn't wait.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 22:59:33 2019 No.12487228 >>12487049 Its hard to be a worse shot than your average drug smuggling cactus nigger. But seeing as youre coast guard, im sure its easy to assume everyone shoots as bad as you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:01:07 2019 No.12487236 >>12483382 Yeah. Every day the Taxman isn't paid is one good day in Trump's presidency

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:04:08 2019 No.12487253 >>12487049 It doesn't take much aim to shoot 00 buckshot at 7 feet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:09:36 2019 No.12487285 >>12487107 It's not going to be months from now. This shit will be over soon.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:11:36 2019 No.12487298
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>>12487228
>coast guard
>shoots as bad as you.
Might want to tell the other branches to start shooting as bad as us then. Pic related, look at number 3.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:13:22 2019 No.12487314 File: 387 KB, 819x622, 30562880797_dcf96954b2_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12487298 Here's another, both higher than Marine Corps scout snipers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:16:18 2019 No.12487331 >>12483462 that's not actually true just an urban legend

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:19:54 2019 No.12487356 >>12487298 >>12487314 Congrats. Exactly 2 people in the coast guard can shoot in a controlled environment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:21:19 2019 No.12487362 >>12483478 I live in DC, and nothing has changed you fucking faggot. There’s only a few people that missed a paycheck. Which they will get.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:21:30 2019 No.12487363 >>12483480 This. Folks think less govt equal is good when with out the flow of these workers dollars it may trigger a recession.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:22:14 2019 No.12487365 >>12483701 With this type of faggot in the military, we have a lot more to worry about then when the lights get turned back on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:23:53 2019 No.12487370 Oh. >coast guard Nevermind, he's not actual military. Imagine being this entitled living on a permanent booze cruise.

Anonymous Sat Jan 19 00:02:57 2019 No.12487577

>>12485579
>Every society in history that's allowed the captains of industry to assert their greedy and selfish will on the population at large without paying their "riot insurance" has eventually succumbed to revolution.
>If you don't understand this, you don't even understand neoliberal economics.
There is an alternative: jackboots. Police. Gradually strangle the would-be parasites.

Anonymous Sat Jan 19 00:10:51 2019 No.12487622
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>>12485654
>Subsidized/ public loaned post- secondary education not resulting in a productive job, and foodstamps should be the first cuts.
two points:
1) What do we do about single moms, widows, etc? An able-bodied man between ages 21-54 has literally no excuse not to be working for a wage, but you can't (or shouldn't?) really expect the same of women.
2) What do you think the purpose of education is? To train high-school graduates for a job? To develop a cultured and educated population? To push the boundaries of scientific knowledge and artistic talent?
All three of those educational principles seem essential to the modern state (we're not running a sweatshop, we want a refined polity). Do we fund them or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 00:46:26 2019 No.12487794 >>12485024 >unironically citing thehill leave

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 04:19:14 2019 No.12488692 File: 73 KB, 960x540, TSA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12485075 >FUCK THE TSA >Traitor. C'mon anon. It's a jobs program for useless fat bodies that masquerades as security theater. It's useless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 04:26:47 2019 No.12488725 >>12485139 Why not create a sovereign wealth fund, issue bonds to fund it, and live of the return on equities? We wouldn't be reliant on taxes or monetary banking policy as much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 06:47:21 2019 No.12489464 >>12483882 ok. he was wrong one time. so what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 07:42:39 2019 No.12489780 >>12484485 >If you don’t dislike government overreach, you’re not american Wew lad

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