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Near graduating from joint best uni in my country, about half my friends are going to California afterwards. How on earth are we meant to compete with the mutts when they keep stealing all the best and brightest? How often do you see Harvard grads in the UK?

It needs to fucking stop imo

>> No.12417883

>>12417880
>Can Europe stop people leaving to America?
No
Fuck gayrope
Fuck arabic "people"

>> No.12417922

>>12417880
Sweden is wrecking their country at a rapid pace. Lots of educated people will be leaving.

>> No.12417928

>>12417880
But 'muh' gunz, muh freedom tho
Oh Yeah, and muh opportunity.
Maybe if Europe weren't such a shithole and pay sweatshop wages, you wouldn't be such a predicament, ole' chap.
Fair dinkums, fish n' chips, hail to the king and all that

>> No.12418063

>>12417880
Germans leaving to the US per year: ~13k
Americans getting into Germany per year: ~33k

I also graduated from one of the best unis in Germany. Not a single one of my peers left to go to the US. Not because we all wanted to stay, but because the offers we got simply were very bad, compared to the offers we got in Germany.

>payment
My offers from the US averaged in between $40k to $50k.
In Germany, I started with 45k€ and got a raise to 50k€ after half a year (about 55k USD).

>insurance
I would have paid about 50 USD more per month than in Germany for health insurance alone, nursing insurance no included. Health care costs in the US are simply insane.

>Moving
Not a single company would have helped me to move or settle down in the area. Let alone that they would not care what my (now married) wife would do. Several thousands and uncertainty what happens with my wife? No.

>days off
My current position offers me 35 paid days off. Including overtime, I have about 50 days off per year right now. The position in the US would have paid me $50k, but offered 12 days and no paid overtime.

How are the offers they would get in UK? Maybe it is simply because all the fucking around with the brexit made good companies leave to the US?

>> No.12418084

>>12418063

Same guy in 3g, fucking Jannie's ...

Don't get me wrong I think my friends were the exception. But basically even the absolute best jobs here top out at 50kish starting.

My friends have gone to work at Google, Amazon, Tesla tier companies where the starting was about 80k but rises much more quickly.

Sorry can't really type out a in depth response on phone and banned on pc

>> No.12418114

>>12417922

if they start leaving in droves they will ban it

>> No.12418118

>>12418084
Could it be, that they exaggerate a bit to justify leaving the UK?
Bsc, Msc or phd?

I mean... I would consider myself quite well networked and I actually never heard of someone getting more than 70k right off the bat without having a phd in a good field or working experience or connections in very expensive areas.

>> No.12418123

>>12417928
What the fuck are you even trying to say here, yank?

>> No.12418132
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>>12418118
Same guy

They are all stem MSc's. I personally highly doubt they were lying. Imo it's believable going by this and considering quality of the uni/competitiveness of jobs

>> No.12418133

>>12418114
Well if the borders are literally wide open anyway a ban won't help much.

>> No.12418178

>>12418063
> Germans leaving to the US per year: ~13k
> Americans getting into Germany per year: ~33k
per capita that's still in the favor of burgerland

>> No.12418182

>>12418132
Mean earning make a bad impression, especially in countries, where the spread is enormous. Also, the statistic is ten years old.

Median earning (including ALL ages) for a Msc is overall about $70k p.a. in the US. I mean, yeah - it is possible they got very good positions, but even if, I would not consider it normal. In Germany, it certanly would be a case I have yet to hear about.

>> No.12418183

>>12418063
For software engineers (maybe less of a difference, for other jobs, idk.) the salaries are much, much higher in the US. Only place that comes close in Europe is Switzerland.

See:
https://www.daxx.com/blog/development-trends/it-salaries-software-developer-trends-2018

It's strange that you and your friends were offered such low salaries. You have a point about insurance, but the higher salaries in the US more than make up for that, and you'll be paying less tax anyway.

>> No.12418219

>>12418182
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary/4fd947de/Entry-Level

Median entry level software engineer in the US makes 78k. Below 57k would be in the bottom 10%. That's for all of the US. Obviously salary and cost of living varies in different cities, but you can pick different cities and see the salaries are still very high.

>> No.12418523

>>12418219
Interesting to know, I am not a software dev (major in finance).

And considering this, I find it quite confusing, that none of my peers who are able to code moved their asses to the US or Switzerland.

>> No.12418561

Disinfo thread.

US is overtaking African shitholes in terms of awful living conditions. If you move to America now, you are nuts. The Wall is going to be to keep people in, not stop people arriving.

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12418573

>>12418561
>was going to obtain citizenship in another county and fly there
>fuck theres a wall on the Mexican border with America, somehow this prevents me from moving to another country legally

>> No.12418662

>>12418063
>My offers from the US averaged in between $40k to $50k.
Are you a janitor or something?