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>le master bussinessman negotiator super genius
>Crashes stock market

>> No.12224523

>>12224508
except he insisted on lower rates
and now he will fire the baboon that lowered them

>> No.12224542

>>12224523

You mean the baboon that he picked?

>> No.12224543

>>12224523
You mean raised?

>> No.12224554

>>12224523
yeah for real why don't we just keep rates at 0 forever? What could possibly go wrong?

Peter Schiff predicted this with 100% accuracy. Once we officially hit recession, they'll cut rates again. That's when GOLD will moon.

>> No.12224561

>>12224542
it was forced trough the GOP by rhinos, and it was a deal with the democrats to blame the collapse on trump

But he did put him there, Trump also did launch missiles into Syria and did say he is friends with the Clintons.

>> No.12224572

>>12224523
the guy he hired? yes, truly trump is a genius hiring shitty people

>> No.12224576

>>12224508
>with no survivors

>> No.12224583

>>12224554
the generals always fight the last war
https://www.youtube.com/user/hsdentfinancial/videos
Harry Dent has it right, next cycle will not moon gold, it will be the cycle after it in the 2040 2050

>> No.12224665

>>12224508
I'm thinking if it wasn't for the reality Tv craze this guy would have went broke

>> No.12224698

>>12224665

kek

>> No.12224702

>>12224572
This is part of his interdimensional backgammon plan.

>> No.12224808

>>12224508
DUDE he crashes the stocks RIGTH AFTER the cryptos found the bottom. you get it????? He crashed the stocks to make you byu cheap cryptos omg.

>> No.12224824

>>12224508
Let’s be real. No one with a brain voted for Trump. Imagine being this dumb:
>MAGA I’m gun bring back manufacuring MAGUUHH
>Literally every manufacturing country is a third world country
>An entire half a country of absolute brainlets votes to move US to third world status
>Most of them are poor and would become the manufacturer employees getting paid sweat shop wages and living in absolute poverty equal to the countries they want to emulate such as India, China, Thailand, Vietnam
>Actually having the power to vote and voting to make yourself much much poorer than you already are
This is the state of US politics. Welcome, we have arrived.

>> No.12224841

>>12224824
>No one with a brain voted for Trump
No shit, it was an American election

>> No.12224859

i voted for trump and i'm guessing my net worth is 10x what yours is.

>> No.12224866

Reminder the stock market is still up signifigantly from his tax cuts and it allowed companies to raise wages

>> No.12224867

>>12224824
Let’s not pretend they won’t enjoy it. Republicans are literally happy slaves.

>> No.12224868

>>12224508
>look mom I posted it again
Boy, do you guys get paid to post here or is this voluntarily? The incels of /pol/ must have scared these kids into coming here

>> No.12224896

>>12224866
>Reminder the stock market is still up signifigantly from his tax cuts
No it's not.
Most gains for 2018 have been erased.

>> No.12224972

>>12224866
>allowed companies to raise wages
Ahahahah what? The most it did was have companies give their hogs a slightly better Christmas bonus, there was no wage growth

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>>12224841
Based

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>>12224866

>> No.12225005

>>12224859
That's the sad part.

>iq must be 1/10 then

>> No.12225006

the fed raised the rates! and they stopped QE and are lower balance sheet! NOT SHIT IT'S GOING TO CRASH. how is trump to blame?

>> No.12225013

>>12224866
Nigger stocks are back to 2017 levels with all indicators pointing to much lower levels
>>12225006
This, but I hope you don't believe QE is good

>> No.12225019

>>12224972
That was the point of the tax cut in the first place . Companies earnings went through the roof and they happen to do buybacks as well.
Wages are growing year after year, not sure what planet you live on

>> No.12225038

>>12224508

orange man bad

>> No.12225043

>>12225013
stocks havent actually dropped below any of the tax cut/buyback era. Indicators dont mean much here when the market is already down 20% with 0 economic problems , in fact average profits continue to uptrend alongside sales and industrial production

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>>12224554
>>12224583
Gold won't moon as much as Bitcoin will.

>> No.12225082

>>12225006
>boooo obongo cant just print cash to save the economy
>wtf trump is a genius for printing money to boost his polls
you can't use qe forever. printing cash has no effect on the long term. do you even basic economy?

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>>12224508
Except he isn't crashing the stock market. This is Obama's economy, remember? His sycophants were quick to claim credit for the rise, now they must reap the whirlwind and take responsibility for the fall. It's over.

>> No.12225106

>>12225090

We had the greatest bull run of all time under Obama after the village idiot from Texas wrecked the economy

>> No.12225107

>>12225090
thats not how it works buddy, in the first year it went up because it was basically the same exact economy, nothing changed, then it started crashing after the Trump policies took effect

>> No.12225135

>>12225090
>Trumps policies go into effect
>Trade wars caused by Trump
> Somehow still Obama's economy

You're just as bad as the niggers at this point and thats saying a lot.

>> No.12225171

>>12225135
>After a long period of silence, Mr. Obama expressed his exasperation on Friday. “When you hear how great the economy’s doing right now, let’s just remember when this recovery started,” he said in a speech kicking off a midterm campaign blitz. “When you hear about this economic miracle that’s been going on, when the job numbers come out, monthly job numbers, suddenly Republicans are saying it’s a miracle.

Lmao you n incel dems r so stupid first it's Obeezy and now its BLUMPFs

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>>12225090
>>12225106
>>12225107
>>12225135
>the sitting president has control over what the FED does

>> No.12225231

>>12225171
>it was trump's economy until he took office, now it's obama's economy
the absolute state

>> No.12225235

>>12225174
The sitting president hires the head of the fed, he can hire someone that has the same ideology as him. Problem is trump is a dumb boomer with no ideology and just hires who likes him the most or the guy he heard kushner telling him about that other day

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>>12225090
Technically right.
We've been due for another downturn regardless of who became president.
Trump is probably accelerating it, but capitalism is in a perpetual state of crisis and we see it play out every 10 or so years.
t. Marx gang

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>>12225246

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>>12225266

>> No.12225303

>>12224508
Yep, if you take credit for the boom then you owns the bust.

>> No.12225404

>>12225019
Wages are barely keeping pace with inflation, nevermind profits, productivity or any other indicator. You’re a fucking brainlet if you think the tax cuts had ANY benefit for labor.

>the absolute state of trump dicksuckers

>> No.12225426

>>12225038
>le contrarian face

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>>12224859

Bullshit. You're probably worth maybe 20k

>> No.12225460

>>12225426
>le

stop it faggots

>> No.12225498

>>12224859

But please, be stupid and keep giving me tax breaks. I seriously don't need them but I'll keep taking them anyways.

Voting for someone who supports the rich does not make yourself rich. Unless you have at least $1m in the bank by 30, you'll stay at the bottom like 90% of Americans.

>> No.12225517

>>12225498
>vote against your own interests meme

Phew room temp IQ I see you have Mr. Incel McLarp, god damn thats a lot of COPE

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>>12224859
>I have a lot of money so stocks having historic meltdowns does not matter
>checkmate libtards

>> No.12225544

>>12225517

I'm not a larp. Just a mid 20s technocrat with a high salary and good investment portfolio.

>> No.12225719

>>12224508
yeah it's not like the stock market was due to a recession no matter who was in power
it's not like we have an inflationary system that creates bubbles

thanks keynes

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>>12225246
>Jerome Hayden "Jay" Powell (born February 4, 1953) is the 16th and current Chair of the Federal Reserve, serving in that office since February 2018. He was nominated to the Fed Chair position by President Donald Trump
>OH NO NO NO I HIRED THE DEEP STATE BANNON SAVE ME AHHHHH

>> No.12225750

>>12225174
Fed fucked us by raising the rates, Trump fucked us by starting a trade war, both happened at the same time making it even worst.

>> No.12225784

>>12224508
Wow, nice correlation, just in time Sanders released his video preaching himself for power in 2020.
WOW
never thought political shill would come here

>> No.12225797

>>12225750
It hasn't even begun. There are now new trading pairs versus oil. Countries were keeping USD as a way to hedge oil needs.
Now they have a choice, including a crypto choice, if petro turns on.

>> No.12225803

>>12225090
christ, imagine being this fucking retarded

>> No.12225844

Get ready for chimerica burgers.
Jobs are going to be manufacturing plants and most of them will be operated with minimal staff.

The next few years are going to be a fucking awesome show watching all your burgers run from your country to seek refuge in every other country but still get chased by the burgertax man. Give it two years and we'll start seeing made in USA low quality products.

China FUCKED you guys so hard over the last 20 years essentially shipping their garbage that was manufactured into low quality products and you guys essentially store it all in your own landfills.

My only resentment to the Chinesisation of America is that you fucking asshats are going to be flooding Canada desperate for work.
Good thing we've been working very hard to make it difficult for faggots like yourself to come and stay here especially if you have no education or skills.

Stay hungry burgers. :)

>> No.12225850

>>12224824
>Literally every manufacturing country is a third world country
Actual brainlets conflate increasing manufacturing in the US with making Nikes like Chinese children. We still manufacture/assemble most of the cars sold here. Not to mention weapons and steel production. You have a high schooler take on economics.

>inb4 we'll pay for Teslas by tweeting at each other and ride sharing

>> No.12225852

>>12225106
Greenspan was to blame for the policies that led to 2008. Obama had no choice but to basically do whatever he could to get the economy back on track because in '08 people really did think the world was going to end. We got a decade of strong growth in asset prices (but little else) from the efforts of QE and other economic experiments, the long-run effects of which remain to be seen. Now that the Fed is beginning QT (letting their balance sheet run-off) there's been a removal of liquidity from the marketplace at the same time we're running huge deficits which requires more and more treasury auctions. This is why front end rates have been ticking up so much and the yield curve is beginning to invert. These things play out over longer than just presidential cycles and it's stupid to associate the good or the bad to any one president.

>> No.12225860

>>12225784
>never thought political shill would come here
right? Imagine someone making a trumpet thread on 4chan(nel)

>> No.12225872

>>12225844
If burgers economy goes into recession whole fucking world will follow, look up 08-09 crash.

>> No.12225875

>>12225534
It's unironically in most people's interest in this board for a recession to hit next year. We hustle and buy cheapies while you faggots cry. If you actually didn't see a major correction coming by November, you deserve to lose money in the market.

>> No.12225878

>>12225844
BBC loving asain "males" everyone, here's your YOU

>> No.12225879

>>12224508
>Mnuchin calls every bank to tell them it's all fine
>banks tell Mnuchin it's all fine
>Dow crashes with no survivors
made me think

>> No.12225905

>>12225852
>inflating markets with tax payer's QE in bad times
>slash corporate taxes by biggest margin in decades in good times
something went wrong

>> No.12225931

>>12225844
Your housing market is so inflated with money laundering chinks that if a recession hits America, you retards will be freezing in the snow.

>> No.12225940

>>12225905
QE was a means of providing reserves to banks in an attempt to incentivize them to lend again, as the credit freeze was really what fucked the economy hard.

>> No.12225944

> you shouldn't fight a battle against an unfair situation if you get inconvenienced or let down in any way

Spotted the democrat

>> No.12225958

>>12225544
>t. impoverished commie living in commiefornia
Don't kys, because I'd like to pull the trigger myself.

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is he right?

>> No.12225973

>>12225940
I didn't mean to disagree, just adding.
I know. Obama did nothing wrong.
Also he made a great tag team with the FED carefully guiding the process of introducing interest rates and not overheating markets while providing enough stability to thrive in a reasonable way. Watched nearly all of those hikes live. I remember Schiff being in denial days before it happened while smart money started to position themselves a year in advance.

>> No.12225985

>>12225969
yes, whether you like it or not, see turkey, erdogan, lira.
markets want stability, FED provides stability, Trump doesn't.
As I said imagine a hectic Mnuchin calling every bank to ask if everything is fine and to tell them it's all good before markets open and the Dow is getting raped over 3%. What does that tell us?

>> No.12226008

>>12225973
Problem is that there's so much credit sloshing around the system already not to mention the shadow banking system no one really understands nor knows the size of. We only got back to like 2% before the markets broke, leaves us far less room to cut in the future should we need to.

>> No.12226013

>>12225969
Yeah, it's wonderful. You guys didn't position your portfolios long this year right?

>> No.12226039

>>12225969
Looks like a scared jew.

>> No.12226048

>>12224508
you truly do not deserve this guy US should fail so hard that you will never recover i dont think you realize just how much USA is fucked you should kiss trump ass for what he doing

>> No.12226051

>>12225875
gonna roll in my money in 10 y till the next one

>> No.12226065

>>12224824
Well, America has always been a glorified third world country with lots of money and weapons. It's not like they are reverting to third world status or something.

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>>12224866
My property taxes skyrocketed because of this clusterfuck. Tax break my red rosey ass!

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>>12224523
If Trump had his way, he'd keep rates at 0% forever, which would lead to a 20 year golden bullrun followed by the Greatest Depression. The Fed is prepping for a soft landing; unfortunately, they waited too long, and are doing rate hikes during a potential trade war.

>> No.12226117

>>12226008
absolutely, imho FED should further raise rates until we are out of hyper-bubble territory, markets need to cool down. They don't have much to do with this crash right now, different reasons.
And yes it's a mess, it's complex, algos, bots, this system is literally a chaotic process on an epic scale. Way too many amateurs in politics and economy, including Trump cabinet.

>> No.12226148

>>12224866
it allowed companies buybacks, if they actually spend it on wages they would backfeed themselves via consumer spending

>> No.12226195

>>12225174
imagine this:
before the first rate hike mutts went retarded for fearing a big crash and a dollar becoming to strong because of a 0.25 rate hike..all while the dollar appreciated 30% against the Euro.
Imagine being this retarded. The fed thing is a meme for retard investors like you to get led around with a carrot on a stick.
The fed isn't your problem, markets love stability and chill, both things your erratic monkey in chief can't seem to provide.
Macroeconomics isn't shitting out some real estate with the help of some illegals and a few shell companies.

>> No.12226263

>>12224824
Don't forget who the other choice was.

>> No.12226268

>>12224866
>it allowed companies to raise wages

Wages are stagnant despite record low unemployment. Economists who predicted the 3-4% range to be where wages start rising are now shifting their views.

>> No.12226272

>>12226263
at least she was a woman

>> No.12226413

>>12225872
Lol not at all mate. That's what you think and have been led to believe.
You know there are other countries in the world that import and export right? not everything comes from burgerland.
Nor does the inflated US dollar have anything to do with it.
It's been propped up while the chinks literally take all the gold possible from burgerland.
There are a handful of countries that's national notes aren't recognized in other countries.
US dollar is "universally accepted" solely because it was easy as fuck for people to convert when receiving it as payment in foreign countries.

Now where basically everybody and their grandmother has a smartphone most major currencies will be accepted in any other country.
Heck you can literally travel The world with all Canadian dollars in your wallet and pay for whatever the fuck you want with it.
>>12225931
Bro, you don't even know how many companies in the us are owned and operated by chinks????
One of the biggest hotel chains in the globe is run by chinks particularly the Chinese government and they own most hotels in burgerland.
Just think about that.
It really has no bearing on me that chinks come to Canada and buy homes and put them back up for
Sale immediately at 10x.
It's actually a tax tactic for them and all it means is they have less then .01% of the housing market tied up in over priced homes.
Do you even know what that means? It means that it's cheaper for us
Maple drinkers to buy empty land and erect a fresh home built to our likings.

>> No.12226449

>>12224824
I voted for orange man solely to avoid war with Russia, by leaving Assad alone

>> No.12226452

The sole thing keeping him alive politically is the economy. Can you imagine an 08 with Trump? Not only will he take himself down but he will drag the GOP with him which is great for moving the nation forward.

>> No.12226488

>>12226452
this. he will try to blame others though.

>> No.12226517

>>12226488
and there‘s going to be just enough retards buying his story. just think of all the brainlets who shilled him on /pol/ during his rallies. That‘s the level of intellect we‘re dealing with here. people want a seemingly strong, patriotic leader (no matter how feeble and dull on the inside) who tells them what to think and do.

>> No.12226550

>>12226517
Nobody wants you shitskins in the country. Stock market numbers are of zero importance in comparison.

>> No.12226559

Thanks Donald

>> No.12226563

>>12226488
They're already blaming the dems. They're saying the dems are shutting down the government and dems in the fed are causing the stock market crash.

The Trump administration isn't capable of admitting they fucked up. They double down on every bad decision. The crazy thing is, they would probably be doing a great job if they had the slightest bit of humility.

>> No.12226593

>>12226517
yes, and more and more IQ is leaving stage see white house, sad!

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Are there actually this many leftists on /biz/?

>> No.12226598

>>12225852
Tl;Dr orange man bad

>> No.12226615

>FED literally has a lever that directly fucks with the economy
>FED never pulled it once under Obama and now won't stop pulling it under Trump
>everyone with double digit IQ blames Trump

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>>12226598

>> No.12226644

>>12226563
yes I can't understand this retarded behavior either, markets start to see it for what it is..imagine him guiding markets with gradual corporate tax cuts along with increasing rate hikes, a relaxed press conference here and there, confidence in markets, rate hikes fade, tax cuts fade..he shot it all at once. sometimes i think he did it on purpose to make it crash even harder afterwards

>> No.12226645

>>12225875
Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

>> No.12226646

>>12226615
>Economy is doing well
Trump is winning the economy!
>Economy is doing bad
It's not Trumps fault.

But seriously, the oncoming trade war and the POTUS tweetstorming causing low confidence in the government definitely has an impact on the stock market. I'm not saying Trump is 100% responsible, but feel free to misunderstand and think that I am.

>> No.12226650

>>12226449
Ah yes surely launching middles at him qualifies as leaving him alone

>> No.12226669

>>12226646
The economy is doing well. The stock market is not the economy. The reason rates are going up is because the fed has stated that the economy is strong.

>> No.12226670

>>12226646
It's direct result of FED rate hikes. You still have not explained why the FED never raised rates under Obama.

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>>12225797
>crypto choice
Nigger do you realize what the crypto market cap is?

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>>12226615
they did the absolute thing in firing right into that post-election frenzy, the good numbers came in, everything went smooth..but suddenly this rate hike is the problem? markets tank since months literally, this was a picture perfect double top because Trump shot it all at once

>> No.12226685

>>12225106
because fed never raised interest rates once over the entire administration. as soon as trump enters rate increases come.

money was printed, equities were bought with free money, prices rose.

>> No.12226701

>>12226685
>as soon as
Wasn't it almost 2 years into Trumps presidency?

>> No.12226702

>>12224561
First, slow and steadily rising interest rates agent causing a 20% correction. Global growth is slowing down.
Second, please post source regarding your outlandish theory that the GOP and the Dems are working together to destroy him

>> No.12226711

>>12226670
because the numbers were at the brink of recovery but not right there, growth already kicked in but wasn't stable yet..it was the first rate hike since years, a delicate operation. they actually took to long because mutts were that frightened of it because they are mostly retards like you

>> No.12226718

>put a narcissit conman with countless bankruptcies in charge of the country
>surprised that the mentally retarded person you elected is utterly incompetent at his job

>> No.12226722

>>12224572
what if there just aren't any good people to hire anymore?

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>>12226103
>soft landing
>after almost a decade of bull

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>>12225969
The market responded well to Obama because he talked about populist ideas but would never follow through on those actions.

With Trump he might try to nationalize all the banks tomorrow or force the fed to drop the rate to zero. Nobody knows. Scared money don't make money.

>> No.12226731

>>12226702
> GOP and the Dems are working together to destroy him
I wouldn't be surprised by this, but haven't seen any tangible evidence.

>> No.12226738

>>12226711
How convenient

>> No.12226742

>>12225244
Why the FUCK is the Marxist the most resonable person in this thread?

>> No.12226760

>>12226718
He’s doing a great job. He’s made normies aware that the stock market is a QE scam. He always controls the narrative.

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>>12226701
No.

>> No.12226765

>>12226742
commie intelligence.

>> No.12226770

>>12225844
Are you fucking retarded? If the US crashes then so will Canada you stupid fuck. Christ I can't stand you faggots, can't wait to get out of this frozen shit hole.

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>>12226761
>>12226701
>this is trumps fault bleep bloop

>> No.12226791

>>12226731
>its true because its something that wouldnt surprise you
Pretty much the kind of logic I expect from you room temperature IQ fags.

>> No.12226799

>>12225107
Something did change, though: Trump. Obviously there was enough confidence in his pro-business agenda at the beginning (tax/regulation cuts), which maintained or boosted market confidence. The stock market began declining from an overdue market correction, with the Fed rate hikes as a contributing factor. Possibly trade or Dems winning the House play into the quintessential volatility of the stock market, which are just prices that may or may not reflect the underlying economy.

>>12225135
Some uncertainty due to trade wars is expected. Sure, you could do nothing against unfair trade practices (or at least do things somewhat differently); but trying to do something about it was part of his elected platform. Many of the real effects of his various policies (good, bad or indifferent) won't be felt for some time, though. No one person really has full control over everything the economy does.

>>12225803
Easy on the projection there, buddy. Maybe don't fall quite so hard for the bait next time.

>> No.12226801

>>12226702
>outlandish theory
Does no one remember the 2016 republican primary?

>> No.12226808

>>12226791
They’ve been working non-stop to try and destroy him since McCain and Hillary worked together to create and spread the piss dossier.

>> No.12226831

it's a more plausible theory that the GOP, dems AND trump are all working together on one big tawdry bread and circus show. i mean how did he even manage to become president in the first place? literally incomprehensible. this was rigged from the beginning.

>> No.12226843
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>>12225969
d-dont talk about the fed, goyim

>> No.12226862

>>12225534
t. GE Investor

>> No.12226864

>>12225969
it's funny reading a tweet of some dude who is going to be slaughtered like cattle in a couple of years
I don't give a shit about trump tho since I'm not american lmao

>> No.12226877

>>12225732
With Jews, you lose. No matter what. A "conservative" kike is still just a kike who deserves to have his family skinned in front of him before having his brains splattered on the pavement.

>> No.12226890
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>>12225732
really makes you wonder how many people in america are actually just glow in the dark deep state niggers in disguise

>> No.12226895

>>12224508
>takes credit for Obama market
>destroys the market
I hope the market crash and burns to the ground so we can impeach this retard.

>> No.12226915

>>12225985
>Fed provides stability

It's doing the literal opposite at the moment, the majority of people agree with Trump in regards to the fed's raises even if they hate him.

>> No.12226939

>>12226895
You unwittingly just dropped the biggest red pill, this crash has been a long time coming and the seeds for it were planted during the Obama years. So it could be considered "Obama's economy"

>> No.12226956

>>12226760
>doing a great job
>can’t even build a wall

>> No.12226969

>>12226939
>and the seeds for it were planted during the Obama years
The seeds were planted long before that. Obama just watered the soil

>> No.12227471

>>12226877
The Kikes and the Welsh have little overlap. His surname is Welsh.

>> No.12227547

>>12226890
Are you retarded? They're saying that the CIA employs graphic designers to make their logos, psychiatrists to take care of their agents and economists to help them manage their budgets. It's a fucking company like any other. Do you really think they'd just announce to the world that they were watching everyone all the time?

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>>12226939
Fuck the Fed. They die.

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ORANGE MAN BAD

FED GOOD

>> No.12227748

>>12227703
>still no counterargument

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>> No.12227993

>>12227703
I hope Trump blocked this spoiled cunt.

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>>12224523
>he is a good businessman for asking the ponzi scheme to be continued