why the fuck is this board being overrun by communists?

[Anonymous No.12208028]

nearly everything we do here is devoid of value and immoral according to labor theory of value and theory of alienation. Why do socialists come here when you could just go back to /lit/ or /pol/ or /leftypol/ or, even better, reddit?

[Anonymous No.12208034]

>>12208028
Most online discussion boards seem to be.

[Anonymous No.12208042]

>>12208028

Socialists dominate nearly every online community except for this one. It annoys them knowing they can't control discourse here

[Anonymous No.12208045]

>>12208028
What a boring, trite idea for a thread. Must be underage.

[Anonymous No.12208051]

because theyre a virus

[Anonymous No.12208058]

>>12208028
>everyone who isn't a white nationalist is LITERALLY a communist

[Anonymous No.12208060]

Communists have a higher aptitude with regard towards technology. Do you expect a bunch of boomer fuck capitalists to post on 4chan? Your economic theory is dying, get over it.

[Anonymous No.12208062]

>>12208028
Fuck off boomer.

[Anonymous No.12208074]

>>12208028
Some zoomers are just now discovering communism. They're under the illusion that communism is the solution to all our problems. You know, we all go through that phase.

[Anonymous No.12208085]

>>12208028
Seriously though, most financefags are some for of marxist even if they do not realize it.

[Anonymous No.12208109]

All communists are just edgy teenagers in a rebellious phase. It's important to just let them be and learn from experience, even it means allowing them to take over this board and any other social media.

[Anonymous No.12208137]

>>12208074
It's not a solution, it's just an evolution of capitalism. Stop looking at economic theories as solutions.

[Anonymous No.12208147]

>>12208058
when did I say that? I'm talking about the literal communists who post regularly about commie shit.
>>12208060
this is the business and finance board. What the fuck do you get out of posting here? Literally anywhere else on this site would be better.
>>12208085
Marx wrote some interesting stuff. Still doesn't explain why I see that shit regularly on a board dedicated to finance.

[Anonymous No.12208205]

>>12208147
Business and finance are not antithetical to socialism (or communism as you've put it).

[Anonymous No.12208252]

>>12208028
>I'll dress like a whore if i want???
hears the thing, you niggas make good points but then you slip in /pol/ shit and it makes the meme unrepostable. Nobody's post that to their meme page because they'll get called an incel. Try harder with your oc, nigger

[Anonymous No.12208272]

>>12208205
the stock market is where we regularly buy and sell the rights to the surplus labor of workers.
Bonds are only valuable for interest, which is receiving money for no work.
Crypto is 1) decentralized 2) a currency/commodity/vehicle for speculation 3) different from fiat because its produced through artificial labor. From the eyes of a socialist, how is it anything more than a waste of time a resources?
sure you can talk about market socialism, but why here? I'm just trying to learn about shitcoins and terrible companies but threads keep popping up about socialism or wageslavery or they're taken over by some idiot who wants to teach a class on crisis theory.

[Anonymous No.12208314]

Why the backlash for communism aside from starvation memes? I don't think it will be a good replacement for capitalism but capitalism itself needs a replacement at some point, since we can't keep expanding infinitely in a finite world.

[Anonymous No.12208356]

>>12208272
Correct. Like I said, capitalism will evolve towards socialism. Why are you looking at it like some black and white painting instead of some ethereal, amorphous blob that evolves?

[Anonymous No.12208374]

>>12208028
Because we enjoy seeing markets crash in realtime and mine for salt. Additionally I personally have made some investments lately so I want see how it ends up.

[Anonymous No.12208377]

Because Das Kapital is required reading for anyone who wants to truly understand capital.

We're all Marxists on /biz/ and this is not new

[Anonymous No.12208455]

>>12208314
>>12208356
>>12208377
>/biz/ - Business & Finance
anywhere else.
>>12208374
so just a bear then? fine. Don't muck up good threads with exhausting diatribes on the tendency of the rate of profit to fall or commodity fetishism. You think teasing NEETs is really showing it to The Man?

[Anonymous No.12208499]

>>12208455

Business and finance are directly linked with capitalism which is linked on the opposite side with communism, like two sides of the same coin. It makes sense to discuss both economic systems in relation to one another. I think it can fit this board in a certain context.

[Anonymous No.12208516]

>>12208377
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.12208548]

>>12208028
I think /leftypol/ has been feeling emboldened ever since the James Fields conviction.

[Anonymous No.12208552]

>>12208455
Good luck in the future.

[Anonymous No.12208568]

>>12208548
It's because half of leddit is here now and the Western world is like 50 percent non white in 2018 and the third world now have internet connections. 4chans demographics have changed with the world now that normalcunts have mobile phones and third worlders have dial up

[Anonymous No.12208580]

>>12208028
I dislike communism but communities like /pol/ which show me how absolutely retarded people can be make me want the government to step in more and more, and that’s saying a lot because I fucking hate the government. My ideal would be altruistic scientists running the world in a socialist environment.

[Anonymous No.12208603]

>>12208252
>hears the thing

[Anonymous No.12208606]

>makes a /pol/ thread on /biz/ asking why there's so much /leftypol/ on /biz/
geez i dunno, maybe because you faggots won't shut the fuck up about politics even on other boards. is it reciprocated? are there people on /pol/ that won't shut the fuck up about crypto?

[Anonymous No.12208609]

>>12208568
I mean over the last month specifically. James Fields' show-trial is reaching its bitter end, and /leftypol/ feels like King Shit of Fuck Mountain, and expects everyone even vaguely /pol/-aligned to start running away, tail betwixt legs.

[Anonymous No.12208610]

>>12208060
> communists have a higher aptitude with regard towards technology
post literally any source which proves that communists in general have a higher aptitude for tech, you retarded bootlicking faggot
communists are amazing at starting tumblr blogs and being parasites - that's about it

[Anonymous No.12208618]

It's what schools, MSM, faceberg, joogle etc all push. The question is more 'why are so many people weak minded faggots, lapping up the NPC programming?'

[Anonymous No.12208625]

>>12208137
How do you evolve capitalism by losing all of its benefits, and ability to process large quantities of information through the process of prices?

[Anonymous No.12208634]

>>12208610

Didn't soviets go into space first? Isn't that pretty significant?

[Anonymous No.12208637]

[Anonymous No.12208639]

>>12208028
Capitalism: oppression by corporations

Communism: oppression by government

Either way, we're fucked. Humans suck either way.

[Anonymous No.12208653]

>>12208639
Truth. The core problem is not the system, it’s greed for power. It corrupts everything it touches, and as long as there are humans there is greed for power.

[Anonymous No.12208655]

>>12208618
It's because more shitskins have internet connections in 2018 than they did in 2008

[Anonymous No.12208657]

>>12208028
They want to convert people to their cause. Never let these fuckers win.

[Anonymous No.12208668]

The shittier the market gets the more socialist I become.

[Anonymous No.12208680]

>>12208625
Because all of those things are unsustainable long-term. How can capitalism exist in 1000 years if people live to 100 on average and are unable to work effectively past like 70? Just kill everyone at 70?

[Anonymous No.12208687]

99% of 4chan is too young or too retarded to remember that this white supremacist alt-right bullshit is a modern phenomenon that was literally pushed on 4chan as a bluepill by people like Bannon to make all the NEETs rah rah about minorities instead of actually working in their own interests.
The irony that all these "redpilled" teenagers have become mouthpieces for the exact power structures that fuck them over would be hilarious, if it wasn't so counterproductive and retarded.
But oh yeah, SJWs, trannies and all the other oppressed, completely powerless minorities are the ones keeping "the white man" down, they're such powerful groups after all. So "redpilled" of you to figure that out LMAO

[Anonymous No.12208694]

>>12208687
Yeah man you're so right literally nobody was racist until 2018 especially not 4chan of all places. Shut up you retard

[Anonymous No.12208697]

>>12208687
Heather Heyer was an obese fuckplug who died of a heart attack. ;)

[Anonymous No.12208708]

>>12208687
lmao yeah no one was a conservative cuck piece of shit until 2016.

[Anonymous No.12208713]

>>12208606
>are there people on /pol/ that won't shut the fuck up about crypto?
why do you think this board was created?
>>12208668
so when the market does well do you just go full Hoppe?

[Anonymous No.12208714]

>>12208697
This. Only communists disagree. Like the Virginia state government. Fucking communist cuckass state.

[Anonymous No.12208719]

This board really does disappoint me, often. As stupid as the whole idea of communism is, we gotta realize who the current enemy of both the left and the right is. Central banks. Whole system is rigged to move money up the chain. If you had a sound world reserve currency the 'people' if you will would be harder to rob with inflation. This would allow stronger capitalism and theoretical allow for supporting more social programs at the same time. Left vs right debate is secondary to the theft occurring right before our eyes. End the damn corruption and the political climate will be much improved.

[Anonymous No.12208722]

>>12208618
Imagine being part of a herd mentality and accusing others of being part of a herd mentality.

Neither side sees the irony.

[Anonymous No.12208723]

>>12208687
This. The irony of non-ultra wealthy Trump voters. The man literally creates a tax reform which demolishes poor people and makes rich people richer and the poor people are cheering because they’ve been brain washed by Internet propaganda. Pretty incredible timeline.
>muh $200 more in my pocket
>muh $200 is worth significantly less because the economy has been flooded with money, most of which went to poor people
>muh actually am poorer than I was before because my money is all worth less and goods cost the same or more, but I don’t understand basic economics or am too fucking brainwashed to bother

[Anonymous No.12208729]

>>12208719
Social programs for who?

[Anonymous No.12208732]

>>12208723
*Most of which went to rich people

[Anonymous No.12208737]

>>12208314
Why not?
So long as we are getting better in some way, there is growth. As an example let's go with mugs. The technology of making a mug hasn't changed in a hundred years, nor have the designs. So how can you have growth?
Some of it comes from innovations down the chain, in terms of the effiiency of the kilns in heating the porcelain, and where the energy comes from that's converted to heat, and may shave off half a cent in terms of cost. Some of it comes up the chain, in the form of innovations that came to how the cups were transported, going from ships, to trains, to Cargo container ships, to trucks and 18 wheelers, and in the future driverless trucks. And since the cost of delivery is built into the price of every consumer and commercial good, any efficiency in shipping, results in a lower price for the consumer, and the growth of said industry.
And some of the growth comes from "just in time shipping" and personalization.
Allowing products to reach shelves just when they are needed, results in growth as there's not storage costs in a warehouse, nor are the stores waiting with empty shelves losing potential money. Personalizing it makes it so people have slightly more enjoyment.
This is why, until we are immortal and live with dyson spheres and star trek replicators, there will always be the possibility for growth.

[Anonymous No.12208741]

>>12208719
>the solution to central banks is a central world bank
>dem programs

Die.

[Anonymous No.12208746]

>>12208722
> Recognizing communism is being pushed by modern propaganda channels.
> No u
leftists every time.

[Anonymous No.12208748]

>>12208694
4chan was a place to say nigger but nobody actually gave a fuck. all of this nazi idealising was the sole purview of the most backwards rednecks up until bannon et al decided to whip the neets into a frenzy post gamergate.

[Anonymous No.12208752]

>>12208719
Once people choose a side in the left vs right charade, it's already all over for them.

Nobody who criticizes communists or capitalists is intelligent enough to realize that the left and right are two sides of the same coin.

[Anonymous No.12208754]

>>12208741
>Thinking a central world bank is what anyone means by sound money

[Anonymous No.12208758]

>>12208748
Nice projection

[Anonymous No.12208760]

>>12208723
And you're delusional if you think communism is going to save you

[Anonymous No.12208774]

>>12208687
cringe and bluepilled

[Anonymous No.12208785]

>>12208760
>reading one post by a person and reacting with something retarded
Congrats on this, really.

[Anonymous No.12208791]

>>12208746
Yet most political channels on Youtube and the Internet are rightwing, so your point?

Look at how people like Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, D'Souza, Peterson, etc have gained millions of followers just by saying simple things like "commies bad, join our side!"

If you had a functioning brain, you would realize that only brain-dead people unironically use terms like "leftists" to smear others. When it comes down to it, both leftwing media (CNN) and rightwing media (Fox News) will spread the same lie to the people on behalf of oligarchs. One notable example being the Iraq war.

You let these minor deviancies fool you into not believing that the illusion of separation is just that, an illusion. The moment you choose is a side is the moment you've lost.

[Anonymous No.12208792]

>>12208634
They couldn't put food on the table but they could put the first man in space.
If that makes them good with technology, I've got a career as an e-sports athlete to sell you.

[Anonymous No.12208800]

>>12208752
I criticize both the left and the right often. Kind of a moderate libertarian if anything. But two sides of the same coin? I'm not quite sure what that means. They are two ends of a scale, and both extremes seem kinda dumb to me. Yet, communists are the most delusional children on the planet.

[Anonymous No.12208803]

>>12208785
>Being a socialist and thinking brown Hispanic women and EU bureaucrats are going to save you from wealth inequality and currency devaluation

Completely delusional

[Anonymous No.12208828]

>>12208791
There IS a certain level of irony in my use of leftist. People to the right of me might characterize some of my views as leftist. But wow at the butthurt I'm sensing over the term. Do you correct everyone who ever uses the term right-wing?

[Anonymous No.12208833]

>>12208791
>Look at how people like Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, D'Souza, Peterson, etc have gained millions of followers just by saying simple things like "commies bad, join our side!"

Funny how the "right-wing" side to you is the "cuckservative controlled-opposition" side to me. From where I sit, you faggots railing at someone like Jordan Peterson is like watching you fight a windmill that you built yourself.

[Anonymous No.12208847]

>>12208680
Nature of the work changes.
People used to retire far earlier, because they worked in fields doing physical labour, and they'd break their backs and so on.
When your job is "therapist" "Youtuber" or "Call center operator", what impetus is there to retire?
RBG could work at the supreme court until she dies, and she likely will.

[Anonymous No.12208855]

>>12208028
Attention whoring, loud, mentally ill people.

[Anonymous No.12208869]

>>12208833
Not only are they middle of the road at best, but dude is proving my point. Those names vs the rest of the media huh? totally balanced.

[Anonymous No.12208871]

>>12208800
I just can't fathom why somebody would devote themselves to an ideology yet it is what the vast majority of people do here. Not just on the Internet, but in real life. Is imprisoning yourself to a set of beliefs truly so noble?

Whether you're an SJW, an alt-righter, a communist, a fascist, a conservative, a liberal, it doesn't matter really. You cannot think you're fundamentally any different from the person on the other side.

I guess what bothers me is when people think they're truly different from those they're criticizing, when as I've said before, they're truly two sides of the same coin. We're all being played. Yet at the same time, when I propose that it's a war between the powerful and the weak, I feel like I'm also falling in the same circle I accuse others of being in. I guess I just don't want to see regular people fighting each other while ominous figures hide in the dark.

[Anonymous No.12208889]

>>12208847
What impetus? Maybe the constant stream of younger human willing to do you job for less. Humans reproduce really well and Africa still hasn't imported its first condom. Also your brain is dying slowly and you aren't as sharp. People peak at 35 and then just coast. Which is fine when people work til 65 and die at 72. What happens when they work til 65 and die at 100? What part of capitalism can support humans living for one-third of their lives without producing any value?

[Anonymous No.12208891]

>>12208719
Inflation is bad, but you have to compare "As opposed to what".
If inflation is at 2% and the top marginal tax rate is 49%, you have to think where the real problem is. I get it, inflation is an off the books tax that hits the rich and poor. But ultimately it's one of the many taxes that is applied on a population

[Anonymous No.12208892]

>>12208871
This an earlier post of mine.
>>12208719
I doubt we see the world that differently if we sat and talked.

[Anonymous No.12208898]

>>12208889
>What part of capitalism can support humans

The part where you have a large family that cares for its elders. But typically leftists despise stable families because it makes socialists obsolete

[Anonymous No.12208899]

>>12208028

The better question is, why aren't you a communist OP?

Join the socialist rifle association. Learn to shoot guns and fight for your freedom.

https://socialistra.org/

[Anonymous No.12208900]

>>12208871
>You cannot think you're fundamentally any different from the person on the other side.

I can.

You're a faggot, and I'm not.

[Anonymous No.12208906]

>>12208252
kys

[Anonymous No.12208912]

>>12208516
Spotted the illiterate brainlet.

[Anonymous No.12208914]

>>12208871
>Whether you're an SJW, an alt-righter, a communist, a fascist, a conservative, a liberal, it doesn't matter really. You cannot think you're fundamentally any different from the person on the other side.

This the most retarded post in this thread.

[Anonymous No.12208922]

>>12208898
Why bring politics into it? This isn't a political issue, merely a mathematical one. Why would humans rely on a small subset of other humans (nuclear family helping one elder) to help when you could just aggregate all of humanity to help all elders?

[Anonymous No.12208924]

>>12208889
Africa is going through Demographic transition, just like everyone else.
It's not like black people are super baby making machines. Look at second and third generation africans in the United states, and their birthrate vs Africa proper.

Again, there is no line in the sand that you work until 65. Larry King can work until 85, Many Supreme Court Justices work until that age.
My Sister's family doctor actually retired at age 100.
They'll inevitably raise the retirement age.
https://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/82887/Dr-Lloyd-Bartlett-Winnipeg-MB.html

[Anonymous No.12208925]

>>12208912
Nobody gives a shit about your propaganda tier entry level college reading

[Anonymous No.12208926]

>>12208687
>SJW, trannies and all the oppressed minorites
what? nobody says that, everyone just says the kikes
are you tripping dude? any fucking board on this website will name the jews
I bet even /co/ will

[Anonymous No.12208929]

>>12208252
>you niggas

[Anonymous No.12208940]

>>12208922
>you could just aggregate all of humanity to help all elders?

JUST aggregate all human labor along a centralized bureaucracy, it's not a big deal, is it?

You socialist fuck.

[Anonymous No.12208941]

>>12208922
Lots of reasons but I'll give you a big one. Scale. Once you are running an operation big enough to force everyone to pay the taxes and they give the money out, they will need a cut. Since they are the biggest kid on the block now and there is no one to stop them, the cut they take magically gets bigger and bigger. (We are here) eventually people get sick of being robbed by a massive corrupt government that gives out a dime for every dollar it steals and we have to crash the system to start over.

[Anonymous No.12208942]

>>12208922
Because it's impossible. There will always be burdens and corrupt bastards who will not contribute. Also I think many portions of "humanity" are worthless and I don't want to pay for their lifestyles

[Anonymous No.12208944]

>>12208752
People on the American left want to grow the size of government
People on the American Right want to shrink the size of government
What do you propose, keeping it the exact same size?

[Anonymous No.12208958]

>>12208892
Very good post, that's how I see it too.

That's ultimately how it is, the new system is intended to move money up the chain. This whole left vs right debacle is nothing more than a distraction. These last couple of years have been particularly hard-hitting for me over this issue, seeing how the left and right mirror each other without the two sides realizing it.

Personally, I took my aim at you because I saw you use the word "NPC". A term meant to dehumanize those on the other side. Yet if you would go on Reddit, you would be called a "Russian bot" in a similar attempt to dehumanize you if you're from the right. This is not just the horseshoe theory I'm talking about, but something more.

Ultimately, the goal isn't to hunt down rich people and steal their wealth. The goal is to insure economic equality and to prevent a deep divide between the classes. If people shill too much for capitalism, they allow the rich and powerful to exploit the regular people. If people shill too much for socialism, they drive the rich people away without fixing economic inequalities. Better to be rid with this fiat system and make it be known that the economy exists to improve the living conditions of humans, not to make rich people richer, and poor people poorer.

[Anonymous No.12208968]

>>12208922
Because there's a disconnect between what they produce and what they consume.
Have enough of that and you have a breakdown of capitalism. Because it makes what you receive arbitrary, and if what you have is arbitrary, the person with a nice car or watch is arbitrary, and it's as good to you as it is to them, and you end up with the post Great Society crime wave that wracked America.

[Anonymous No.12208974]

>>12208922
Because then you're treating people like cattle. Did you have a falling out with your family or something?

[Anonymous No.12208978]

>>12208958
>Ultimately, the goal isn't to hunt down rich people and steal their wealth.
>The goal is to insure economic equality and to prevent a deep divide between the classes

Only a true NPC faggot could talk this duplicitously without irony.

[Anonymous No.12208990]

>>12208958
Your posts remind me of myself about 2 and half years ago. Feel free to stay neutral as long as you can. But if the fighting ever starts, I hope you find yourself on the 'right' side. The pendulum is due for a direction change. Sometimes that looks ugly.

[Anonymous No.12208994]

>>12208898

Leftists despise the nuclear family but support the extended family.

We were never meant to live inside in an atomized bubble comprising only our ourselves, our partner and our kids. We were meant to have large close knit communities that we mutually care for.

So no, I don't want everyone to feel alone and abandoned.

I want children to have their grandparents, and uncles and aunts and close friends and all the neighbors to help care for them too. And I want to have good relationships with all those people so we can live a happy life together.

I don't want to be stuck alone with only my lover and my wage-slave cuck job forever. I want to run my job, and I want everyone else working there to run it too, democratically. Workplaces are dictatorships. We go on and on about democracy outside the workplace, but the same dictatorships we becry in government we recreate within our businesses.

This is fucking retarded desu. Seriously, think about it, why shouldn't you get to vote for your boss? Because his grandparents got more bloodmoney from killing Indians during colonial times than yours? That's a stupid fucking reason. All private property can be traced back to conquest. It's not ethically owned to begin with, so the only way to ethically handle that wealth now is to democratically manage it. That's not to say the economy should be centrally planned, just that corporations should be replaced worker-owned cooperative federations like Mondragon in the Basque country of Spain.

Market Socialism works, claiming otherwise just makes you an authoritarian and enemy of freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

Market dynamics should be maintained, but we must change how we organize our businesses. CEOs are the new monarchs, off with their heads.

[Anonymous No.12208998]

>>12208944
The American Right doesn't want to shrink the size of government. The American Right is notorious for having some of the largest governments and subsequently government spending in US history.

Which is why since WW2 the highest deficit percentage increase was Ronald Reagan (increasing the deficit by 142%) and the lowest deficit percentage increase was Bill Clinton (reduced deficit by 1%).

The Republicans lie to your face. The conservative poster boy, Ronald Reagan, is the epitome of Republican values, and look at what he did. Decrease taxes on the rich, increase government spending for war, and let the future generations deal with him doubling the debt.

Both the left and right in the American government are enemies of the People. Don't be fooled by this illusion of separation.

[Anonymous No.12209000]

>>12208958
Centrists get the bullet too, dork

[Anonymous No.12209006]

>>12208994
>wanting me to leave with my trump loving parents
Fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.12209009]

>>12208994
>All private property can be traced back to conquest.

Die in your own vomit.

[Anonymous No.12209012]

>>12208994
>but support the extended family.
Simply wrong

[Anonymous No.12209023]

>>12208958
Your sweet innocence won't last long.
Pro-tip: being in between the two most popular positions doesn't make you neutral or impartial. If one side says 2+2=4 and the other says 2+2=5, you are not being neutral by saying "I'm too good for this argument, everyone has some good points and some bad points...both sides are the same". You're being willfully retarded because deep down, you know the answer. You just don't want to admit it because you don't want to go against the civic religion and have to face the modern-day inquisitors. Everyone here is laughing at you not because you are presenting new ideas that we never thought of before, but because we were all in your spot a few years ago. But there's only so long that you can play dumb.

[Anonymous No.12209046]

>>12208998
Wait, isn't Congress in charge of the purse strings?
And Bill had a Republican congress when he was in office.
Wouldn't that mean that Republicans were able to reduce the deficit under Bill?

[Anonymous No.12209075]

>>12208994
>actually hating monarchs unironically
Yeah, get fucked. Democracy has only brought problems to the world.

[Anonymous No.12209085]

>>12208990
If things continue like this, there will be no fighting. A big recession is coming ahead, you're smart enough to realize that. The rich will go doing the usual, wait for everything to crash and buy it up cheap again. The cycle will continue except that the severity of financial crashes and recessions will only get worse and worse.

The fighting will only start if people finally wake up, but they'd rather argue over transgender rights, social programs or gun laws. I don't see anything fundamentally changing in my lifetime. The only hope for people to wake up will be automation without UBI, that is the one event that will push everyone to the edge.

>>12209023
You're free to see it that way. Maybe if you argued over things that mattered, that I would feel inclined to join in. Yet it is all so irrelevantly banal. Don't bring up maths here, universal truths are universal, aspects of the universe. While it is up for humans to decide whether abortion is moral or whether communism is evil. The only natural truth here is that people are being exploited way more than they should be.

>>12209046
The US president is the one who proposes the initial budget, and changes can be made along the way. Bill was the one who proposed a budget which included a surplus and not a deficit like most other presidents. Bill's presidency was a time of beautiful prosperity. Yet it did not take long for the powerful to plunge humanity into another conflict with 9/11. Let the 90's be known as the best years in all of human history, for people living in the West at least.

[Anonymous No.12209112]

>>12209006

That's not what strong extended families means at all.

You'd still have your own house. But the structure of your community wouldn't leave you and your family and your friends dozens to hundreds or even thousands of miles apart.

Also, under the Northern European guild system of old adolescence lasted until people were in their early 30s. People weren't expected to marry until they were older, and being young meant working as an apprentice and eventually journeymen in other people's homes until one acquired enough wealth to start their own business and gain mastery. Wage labor was seen either as a form of slavery or a form of skill building. But no one was expected to do it forever, and even most nobles went through this process being expected by society to build character before they would gain access to their families wealth.

Frankly the idea that you should be thrown the wolves with no support from anyone before you have any skills or life experience is sick.

Now obviously I'm advocating democractic cooperatives in place of mercantile guilds, but they're not too dissimilar of a concept if you squint a little bit.

I'm not advocating handouts, you still have to fucking work. I'm expecting reason and support not exploitation. But please, run away and go work at Mcdonalds while licking the boot of your boss who genuinely doesn't give a shit about you.

[Anonymous No.12209119]

>>12209075

> Bait more

> Expects me to believe you actually want to suck King Gorge's cock.

[Anonymous No.12209150]

>>12208940
Yeah that was my point. Thanks for reading my blog.

[Anonymous No.12209161]

>>12208942
Could you not just easily say this a function of capitalism?

[Anonymous No.12209172]

>>12208968
Right, so what's the problem? We are going to have humans live for 30-40 years on average without producing ANYTHING of value for society besides capital gains tax. How is that a sustainable future? Capitalism is unsustainable.

[Anonymous No.12209182]

>>12209112
Yes democratic cooperatives are the way to go. Just came back from my credit union today and I'm still impressed by how much better this model is versus private banks. Wish we could better apply this concept to all of the economy.

One of the reason I dislike the left vs right debacle is because rich people are capitalist when they're making money, but socialist when they're losing it (asking government for handouts). They see beyond politics and purely into personal interest.

Besides, we've all seen the great success of corporations that let employees own a share of the profits or most of the company, they always grow tremendously. Better have your company owned by your workers than billionaire shareholders or one family.

[Anonymous No.12209187]

>>12209172
because you're ignoring my posts
>>12208924
>>12208847
They're not going to be living for 30-40 years producing nothing.

[Anonymous No.12209233]

>>12208028
Well why would a bunch of neets want free stuff?

[Anonymous No.12209242]

>>12208634
Soviets did Chernobyl too and could not make a good computer or even a good car to say their lives, in fact they even struggled at agriculture top kek.
They basically threw a man into space at the expanse of people basic needs.

[Anonymous No.12209245]

>>12208058
Can't I be both?

[Anonymous No.12209259]

>>12208687
Wrong, this place was always like that and you were always a kike nigger revisionist faggot.

[Anonymous No.12209271]

>>12208891
Inflation is a non fucking issue, the first problem with central banks is basically central planning, the second problem is fractional reserve system allowing the banks to suck money to the top by pocketting interests on money created out of thin air.

[Anonymous No.12209277]

>>12209187
So your point is that capitalism will break down? Sorry I just don't get where I should be disagreeing with what you say.

Sick ID btw.

[Anonymous No.12209278]

>>12209182

Absolutely.

In case you didn't see my other post up there here's a wonderful working example of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

The Basque country has the lowest unemployment in Spain because of them.

Mutual savings banks are pretty cool too desu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_savings_bank

My local one Dollar Bank is shifting into a mutual savings company which I have mixed feelings about.

[Anonymous No.12209286]

>>12208924
>Africa is going through Demographic transition, just like everyone else.

Fucking lying nigger, Africa isn't doing demographic transition AT ALL, the projections of its population keep being raised and raised because they don't stop fucking.
In the meantime(((they))) bully white people with "muh environnement" then import a shitload of blacks to consume even more and replace the natives en masse, literally soft genocide.

Pic related, projections in 1981 vs projections in 2017.

[Sage No.12209311]

>>12208147
Ready the sticky, newfag. Discussions on economic theory are perfectly appropriate for this board.

[Anonymous No.12209319]

>>12209277
No. The retirement age will go to 85.

[Anonymous No.12209327]

>>12209271
Okay. I'm not a fan of central planning either. But this is an obvious question. Can't a digital bank that only uses crypto currency and not currency from a central bank also have fractional reserves?

[Anonymous No.12209337]

>>12208109
That's right, they also need to be allowed to run their little revolutions because then the person that takes power from them will send them to hard labor camps. Before they die they will learn their mistake. If they don't get sent to hard labor they may learn their mistake after being managed by commissar jaquanda.

[Anonymous No.12209351]

THIS IS A COMMIE THREAD AND IT'S FULL OF LIES

[Anonymous No.12209352]

>>12209319
So you're going to have a workforce that is 95% useless from 60-85. Great strat, hope it works out for you. We already carry boomers for like a decade of their working lives, which is fine when they all die at 72. Now you want to carry them for 25 years of useless work. You think some 60 year old person is going to learn a new technology that evolved in the previous six months and carry that forward for the next 25 years?

[Anonymous No.12209368]

The future is virtue nationalist capitalist technocracy
Screencap this

[Anonymous No.12209371]

>>12208377
>Because Das Kapital is required reading for anyone who wants to truly understand capital.
>verbose Jew making vague points inaccurately

hahaHAHAHAHA how about some Ito calculus instead, or is that too hard for your little gamma brain.

[Anonymous No.12209394]

>>12208109

some of them are edgy, a lot of them are just angry, resentful losers. marx was the ultimate loser; his father was ashamed of him and his own kid committed suicide.

[Anonymous No.12209406]

>>12208028
wait are there actually unironic communists here?

[Anonymous No.12209450]

>>12209172
Your conclusion of "capitalism is unsustainable" isnt supported by what you typed. People have been retiring for centuries (and therefore not "producing ANYTHING") under capitalism and its worked fine. Your points invalid.

[Anonymous No.12209456]

>>12209233
this

[Anonymous No.12209462]

>>12208028
Bitcoin. Is capitalist
Don’t like it?
Stiff fucking bickies

[Anonymous No.12209483]

>>12209371
>the fact that algorithms and math can be useful in financial trading bots disproves Marx's critique of capital

Confirmed for not having read it. Have fun defeating a straw man Marx that you've constructed from skimming Wikipedia and a lifetime of reading Reddit

[Anonymous No.12209486]

>>12209450
yeah because people died like 5 years after they stopped working, or less. People are going to live a lot longer. Your 60 year old dad will retire in 5 years and live to 85 if he wants. How is that sustainable long term unless we have a massive economic shift?

[Anonymous No.12209603]

>>12208028
At some point the system we live in has to improve our lives or people start talking about a new system. Here's a question for you: why has capitalism been so absolutely shit for the last 20-30 years? When are you fuckers going to improve something--anything at all?

[Gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12209621]

Better bantz here, better diversity of talking points. In order to invest effectively, you should know how capitalism really works.

I'm also not judging anyone who engages in finance, its the system I'm concerned with.

[Anonymous No.12209629]

>>12209486
Thats not true at all, people stopped working well before 5 years till death. If people live longer just increase the age that retirement benefits kick in to offset that, which is how social security in the us works now anyways. Retirements been around for 100s of years and isnt going anyway.

[Anonymous No.12209657]

>>12209603
Kill
Your
Self

[Anonymous No.12209665]

>>12209603
Where have you been for the last 30yrs? Virtually everything that could have been improved has been improved. Theres a cure for hepC now, the iphone came out, amazon made shopping more effective, cars are much less maintenance and are more fuel efficient, computers/the internet vastly improved, etc.

[Anonymous No.12209700]

>>12209603
https://youtu.be/RY0R0NpIdQQ
This is how people view communists. If you find nothing wrong with the crowd here, you deserve neither liberty nor security you filthy parasite

[Anonymous No.12209736]

>>12209486
Can you even fathom what you're saying?
People who can pay for themselves will live and those who can't will perish. That's capitalism and that's how it self-sustains. I don't know how much simpler a person can make this concept.
The reason everything is fucked up right now is because of government involvement in fucking everything as well as the fed fucking us in the ass.

And I don't want your next post to say something like there not being a central government or central banks in a communist society, because I know how retarded you are and I wouldn't put it past you.

[Anonymous No.12209754]

>>12208922
How do you know what all elders want on a personal level? How do you know doing this in a centralized manner is more efficient than a families doing it individually?

[Anonymous No.12209777]

>>12209161
No you couldnt.

[Anonymous No.12209838]

What do you expect when an entire generation has been indoctrinated to hate themselves and believe it is morally correct to destroy themselves, while simultaneously feeling entitled to the work of others without contributing back

[Anonymous No.12209843]

[Anonymous No.12209850]

[Anonymous No.12209871]

>>12208058
this is how pathetically stupid communists are

[Anonymous No.12209888]

>>12208058
This but uironically.

[Anonymous No.12210087]

>>12208958

see

>>12208990
>>12209023

They're right. When I was very young I leaned far left because that was the popular thing to be. When I was older I was where you're at which is dems/reps are two sides of the same coin. At this point you could consider me a libertarian. I believe in fiscal conservatism, that everything aside from physical harm should be legal, and we should let the free market sort everything else out.

I think the system is broken and taxing me from more of my earnings wont help anyone because the government spending my money are wasting it on nothing. I believe in a strong military and believe the US needs to assert itself to maintain control over the world. I believe the US financial markets are a necessary evil at this point and that financeers maintain American dominance and order by extracting wealth from the rest of the world and bringing it into our money grubbing fingers.

I love my country and don't care for most of the rest of the world.

Weird how our views change with age.

[Anonymous No.12210107]

>>12208042
if they wanted tobthey coild flood the place

[Anonymous No.12210108]

>>12210087
Just when I thought I'd seen it all, by jove, a libertarian imperialist!

[Anonymous No.12210114]

>>12208314
capitalism is just a system of incentivisation that is bssed on self interest thats why it works

[Anonymous No.12210124]

>>12210108

I believe everyone has natural liberties and they should be able to exercise that freedom however they please as long as it doesn't directly harm another.

Unless they live outside the US.

[Anonymous No.12210168]

>>12210124
I could get behind that. But it's generally not a good idea to declare war on the world.

[Anonymous No.12210177]

>>12210124

[Anonymous No.12210184]

>>12208687
the only reason trannies are an issue is because we are so wealthy and fucking comfy. I hope it all comes tearing down so i can watch you degenerate scum lose the safety nets western society provides you.

[Anonymous No.12210380]

>>12209838
>>12209843
>>12209850
DUMB Libtards DESTROYED

[Anonymous No.12210390]

I'm the guy who makes the Fresco communist edits. It was a joke you retards, fuck commies

[Gommie faggot !!ybZU7IbD8fv No.12210497]

>>12210087
If you were "far left" and didnt consider dems/reps to be two sides of the same coin you weren't far left.

[Anonymous No.12210538]

read Land

[Anonymous No.12210560]

i dont think most of these so called communists have just realized how huge and fundamental the shitskin problem actually is. it simply breaks every communist model

[Anonymous No.12210622]

>>12210560
I assume they think everybody is reformable

[Anonymous No.12210673]

>>12209351
Based and redpilled. Just waiting for that fat conquered spic to make his way in here

[Anonymous No.12210687]

It's because the wages are low

[Anonymous No.12210766]

Commies need money too. That's why we're buying the bottom while retard december buyer /pol/ nazis are selling.

[Anonymous No.12210855]

>>12208028
Being Marxist is not a choice. It is not a solution. It is just understanding the current reality. Once i have understood that our current mode of production was preceded by others (antiquity slavery, then feudalism), and that it has physical limits that cannot, to this date, be overcome (the tendency of the rate of profit to fall), what should i do? Pretend to be a capitalist, pretend to like a mode of production that will collapse in a few decades?

I can make an analogy with computers and central servers. Currently, 4chan is hosted on a central server. However, most of us know that in about 20 years in the future, the internet will be decentralized. Hosted in many different nodes. Some people still advocate the superiority of central servers, like speed, but we know for a fact that central servers days are numbered.

What shall we do, glorify the central servers as the true and only internet, or admit that decentralized web is more reliable, secure, censorship resistant, and in the end, even faster?

Same for Marxism. The days of Capitalism are numbered. It is not an ideological or political choice, it is just accepting reality.

[Anonymous No.12210976]

>>12208028
They have an op running. "Blue the non-/pol/ boards" basically. Go lurk on /leftypol/ & the commie subreddits, spy on the enemy. It's kinda hilarious actually, livens thing up.

[Anonymous No.12210985]

>>12210855

This, fellow /biz/nessmen is what a cultist sounds like. Take note, that you may recognise it at other times.

[Anonymous No.12211015]

>>12210560

This. They seem to think we're all ignorant of class dynamics. And yet, they ignore the largest factor by far - race & kin selection. Throughout history race has been intrinsically connected to class, yet they just.....blow it off. In reality of course, the big Communist superpowers like China and the Soviets both adopted race-realist policies out of sheer necessity, but the soidrinking Western commie scum won't have it.

[Anonymous No.12211067]

>>12208687

Doesn't it bother you that you're blaming the problems of the West on a bunch of NEET, while the ideology you perpetuate is EXACTLY in line with modern "corporate values" statements? Really makes you think. Or, not think in your case evidently.....

>Bannon

So the grand right-wing conspiracy, in your opinion, is to cede all ideological ground to the Left in mass media, education, business, culture etc, and recruit a bunch of degenerates on a Korean trap admiration board? The famed Left-wing intellectual at work people, topkek

[Anonymous No.12211106]

>>12208653
congratulations, you just discovered anarchism
no single person or institution can be allowed to hold too much power because humans are shit and will use that power to fuck everyone else eventually.
Read the bread book or duck duck go murray bookchin for a more recent implementation
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread
"Bookchin was a prominent anti-capitalist and advocate of society's decentralisation along ecological and democratic lines. His ideas have influenced social movements since the 1960s, including the New Left, the Anti-Nuclear Movement, the Anti-Globalization Movement, Occupy Wall Street, and more recently, the democratic confederalism of Rojava."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Bookchin

[Anonymous No.12211119]

>>12210124

Yeah, and you're a great example of why le 56% burgers are retarded & need to be eugenically cleansed after rope day.

"Muh universal principles are self evident, but only if you're in a certain geography".

If you go overseas on holiday do you lose your rights? Or is it just being born as a ZOG-slave inside the Jewnited States that grants you those right? Do tell.

[Anonymous No.12211166]

>>12211106

You should really buy Chainlink. Its smart contracts will allow you to coordinate your efforts, and construct scalable co-ops & mutuals able to effectively replace government functions. Which is already what we're planning to do, but you can... I dunno, be more punk or something when you do it?

Seriously though, everything you just said applies to AnCaps as well. The AnCap vision of "Capitalism" bears as much resemblance to regular Capitalism as Anarcho-Communism does to the Juche Communism of North Korea.

[Anonymous No.12211180]

>>12208028

Do you even know the difference between Communism and Socialism, retard?

[Anonymous No.12211201]

>>12211106
Did you post this image ironically?

[Anonymous No.12211229]

>>12209319

OK seriously, fuck this thread. Where did you retards come from? Working until 85? How stupid are you exactly?

[Anonymous No.12211268]

>>12208028
Because communism is irrefutable and inevitable. Capitalism exploits workers, and automation will replace all jobs within 30 years. There will be a need for socialism/communism. Here's a good video for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zDpMo-yE2A

[Anonymous No.12211274]

>>12208051
Underrated post. Communism is inherently subversive so the only way to effectively fight it is by more subversion or collapse of civilization. The problem is, there's nothing that can get little jealous lazy vile people riled up quite like communism! So civilizational collapse it is!

[Anonymous No.12211284]

>>12211268
....what? Communism is irrefutable? How old are you incels?

[Anonymous No.12211336]

>>12211274
Check out BadMouseProductions and Mexie on YouTube sometime. You're a capitalist imbecile.

[Anonymous No.12211337]

>>12208028
Thanks guys. Reading this thread has made me realize that white genocide is real and is actually a good thing.

[Anonymous No.12211345]

>>12208455

You're missing the point anon. Every, and I do mean ever, "communist" here is a larping, bourgeois faggot. Why aren't they out trolling the WSJ? Why aren't they running ops to elect Bernie & shift the Overton window further towards a place where their revolution could be feasible? Why aren't they having legions of glowniggers spying on them and trying to use them for psyops, while major media headlines decry them as public enemy #1? The big, bad communist threat (lel, such revolutionaries). Because they're fake. All of them. They're no more substantial than a Coca-Cola commercial. So they're here preaching to the evil White men their corporate masters want them to help neutralise. It's kinda lulzy really, they really think we're more important than, ya know, infiltrating banks or oil companies or something. So really, there is no "Why" - hell, half of them are probably being paid off by the Fat Princess. So don't try to imagine their motive, they have none.

[Anonymous No.12211362]

>>12211336
Don't you think that its ironic that communist have to use YouTube, a product of capitalism, in their attempts at failing to subvert people?

>hey guys welcome to our videos
>lmao,bruh smash dat FUKKEN subscribe button
>LOL based! We fittin 2 b twerkin on capitalism grave

I always think its a strange irony that failures of life have to use capitalism derived products, despite their hatred for capitalism.

[Anonymous No.12211368]

>>12211336
Your mommyyyyyy

[Anonymous No.12211370]

>>12208028
I've been saying this before, and I will say it again. Communists are literally retarded for not starting CommunistChain. You could remove corruption from equation using blockchain and automating shitton of things. Instead "private money = HARAM"

[Anonymous No.12211383]

>neets everywhere
>they want gibs
>suprised commie propaganda stirs up

[Anonymous No.12211389]

>>12208634
Hahahahahahahahahaha nice joke mate. They were as scientific as North Korea currently is.

[Anonymous No.12211399]

>>12211268
>automation will replace all jobs within 30 years

no you fucking retard. automation will make some jobs more efficient, thus requiring less people to do those jobs. The surplus workers then can create new jobs or live on welfare.

[Anonymous No.12211410]

>>12211389
The soviets did everything first aside from putting a foot on the moon. However it wasn't thanks to communism but despite. And the scientist got told produce results or die, far from the commie dream.

[Anonymous No.12211425]

>>12211399
Cars replaced horse carriages.They didn't make the horses more efficient or create new horse jobs. The advancement of AI will do the same to people.

[Anonymous No.12211434]

>>12208687
What the fuck are you talking about, lol? White man is richest he has ever been, as every man and woman and transgender and whatever, you fucking political automaton. Fuck SJW because their polemics are shit and on top of that it's hilarious, that's about it.

[Anonymous No.12211458]

>>12211410
I know that. Launching a rocket doesn't make a country scientific. Google up Russia's technological export. I can tell you right now, it's $300 per working adult. China is $1000 per adult, US $2000 per adult. :)))

[Anonymous No.12211462]

>>12211345
You are the typical angry teenager/young adult.

You should learn to calm down and try to think instead of getting angry without understanding something.

The Marxist economical theory has nothing to do with cultural leftism, SJWs, white replacement, faggots movment, feminism, bolshevism, or leftist political parties.

In fact if you really use your head for a change you'll realize that mass immigration, SJW, feminism and all the things you hate are tools in the hands of the capitalist class: the owners of the means of production.

[Anonymous No.12211475]

>>12211434
>White man is richest he has ever been
Wealth inequality is continuously rising. The average whitey is a poor welfare fucker just as the rest. You can buy more shit today but in terms of wealth the average person owns less and less every year.

[Anonymous No.12211505]

>>12211370
I agree 100% about using blockchain to change the mode of production.

Baning money is retard. we should think of an other way to produce and allocate the production.

The intelligent Marxist doesn't want to go back to feudalism, or repeat the complete failure of bolshevism aka state capitalism. He wants to surpass capitalism with a mode of production more efficient, without wage cucking.

My prediction about the blockchain and algorythms is that it will allow, in the future, and in conjunction with automation, a mode of production without money and waging.

[Anonymous No.12211506]

>>12211458
All those science metrics are arbitrary either way. China is keeping most of their research for themselves by keeping it all in chinese which is why they score lower in rankings as only english publications count but this gives them an advantage since they can get all information from outside while the outside world can't benefit from their research. I think longterm this will be exactly how they will overshadow the west.

[Anonymous No.12211520]

>>12211462
Let's dive down to the essence of any economical theory. We have a finite amount of resources and finite amount of opportunities to do work with those resources. Now we either go utilitarian, and assume that we want to maximize everyone's happiness, or we go some gimmick which eventually will collapse to "we want to maximize as many people's happiness as possible to a CERTAIN level", so we don't end up building a 5m2 shared rooms. Neither of those really matter.
Now we have to decide how we allocate our resources and time. And here is the core difference in marxism vs capitalism. First one is about centralized entity which makes every decision. This entity has access to all the information, it makes best decisions and makes them faster than any other participant. It owns all the means of production, education, the whole of society. The second one relies on every participant making decisions himself. Different participants own different things and decide what to do with them.
I've realized that some physicist/mathematician could prove at this point impossibility of marxism due to physical limitation. Entity like that is not physically (computationally) possible with a computer size of Milky Way galaxy.
So we have to modify our central entity from being best at making decisions and allocating resources to confidently good one. Man what a shitty idea. This denies basic human strive to be best versions of themselves.

[Anonymous No.12211522]

>>12211475
That's rate, guys in this thread do not understand: productivity increase way faster than wages.

So the average worker produce way more than in the past, thanks to his efforts combined to machinery.

However, his wages increase way slower than the increase in productivity.

Hence, the average worker become more and more cuck every decade.

[Anonymous No.12211531]

>>12208687
>the newfaggotry is so strong that people actually dispute this
Anyone else remember when Bill O'Reilly called 4chan a far-left website?