/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.12171322]

monero cucks on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.12171348]

>>12171322
I dont understand.

[Anonymous No.12171365]

>>12171348
look at data on the side. in dero its encrypted. in monero its in plaintext lol. so much for a "privacy" coin. i wouldnt expect any less from the retarded monero cuck community tho

[Anonymous No.12171374]

Wow it's literally nothing.

[Anonymous No.12171375]

>>12171348
He opened both wallets in a hex editor and noticed the beginning of the files are the same. You can open any file in a hex editor and the beginnings will match, so this isn't an issue.

[Anonymous No.12171388]

>>12171374
>>12171375
are you guys fucking retarded? see >>12171365

[Anonymous No.12171409]

>>12171322
This is why Snowden called Monero "amateur cryptography." Fluffy knows the project is garbage but the fat fuck just wants another million dollar timepiece so he keeps "working" on it

[Anonymous No.12171411]

>>12171388
It's an rpc request to your local node. Literally nothing. If you think this compromises monero bist du ne dumfbacke.

[Anonymous No.12171464]

>>12171411
are you a brainlet? not everyone runs their own fullnode. rpc requests go out to public nodes all the time. the fact that monero doesnt even have TLS is a fucking embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.12171791]

>>12171464
At the end of the day people that want or need high levels of privacy will run vpns and their own nodes.

[Anonymous No.12171915]

>>12171791
Hence why, at the end of the day, Monero will be flipped by a better solution.

[Anonymous No.12171933]

>>12171464

Wait, monero doesn't encrypt its communications between nodes? Holy shit what a fucking joke

[Anonymous No.12171978]

>>12171791
rite?

>Trusting privacy outside of your finances to a third party is the way to go

okay /biz/

The transaction amount and what address it came from and the address it's going to is the absolute limit to cryptocurrency; hence the name cryptoCURRENCY fuckwits.

There's still crypto for literally everything else. Why centralize your privacy with derro?

Shit now it know it's time to buy when these people are literally posting decoded wallet routing data like it's some mysterious and spoofy thing like you have any guarantee that any of that data isn't sculpted to make it look like it's useful where derro you get stuck dealing with whatever communication protocol these cux dream up because hey it's a great idea to trust derro amateurs with literally every aspect of crypto because all crypto is the same if it's for a cryptocurrency because this is /biz/'s first time ever hearing about crypto and obviously it doesn't need to be handled by different things than exclusively derro because /biz/ just heard of crypto yesterday and thinks it's some clever trick.

But yea go buy derro kiddos see where that gets you.

[Anonymous No.12172011]

>>12171322
Is there any genuinely sensitive information in those packets? It looks like they just contain information like block sizes and difficulties that an attacker wouldn't care about.

[Anonymous No.12172111]

>>12172011
Sssshhhhh you're ruining the fud

[Anonymous No.12172158]

>>12172011
>make a request to check whether a utxo has been spent by checking keyimage.
>attacker can now be like 99% sure that the given keyimage your checking is spent or not is associated with your ip address

so unless your wallet is sending "spoof" requests (none of the main monero wallet clients do this) attackers can profile you and the utxos that belong to you.

this is the only one i can think off of my head but there are probably lots of others.

>>12172111
literally kys. whats the harm in having TLS? the fact monero doesnt opens it up to a lot of potential attacks. its fucking retarded and so are you monerocucks

[Anonymous No.12172489]

>>12172011
> Using Monero on a laptop in a airport.
> *CONGRATULATION*
You have been identified by the government like a terrorist.

[Anonymous No.12172571]

Wait so what's the point of RingCT if you can read the transaction data from my wallet to the blockchain?

[Anonymous No.12172606]

>>12171978
Hahahaa.

Dero cucks on suicide watch.

[Anonymous No.12172619]

How are the smart contracts that captain promised before 2019? Apparently he told that they would be released in one more week two weeks ago.
And how about Cryptopia? How is it going? In September he told it would take just one more month. And now?
And the foundation he promised to be completed in June?
I think you fell for a scam with a proprietary code.

[Anonymous No.12172929]

>>12172619
> Everything is on the track.

stay poor.

[Anonymous No.12173007]

>>12172929
Nice. That print completely refuted and rekted me, despite of actually nothing being on track.

[Anonymous No.12173164]

>>12173007
>Apparently he told that they would be released in one more week two weeks ago.
no he didnt i dont know where this meme came from. 2018 still hasnt finished yet so yes they are still on track...

the other stuff you listed is just meme shit and will come with time anyway. any project can do those things. the hard thing to be done here is smart contracts.

[Anonymous No.12173415]

>>12171322
Dero is a premined shitcoin.

[Anonymous No.12173500]

>>12171322
The fact that this post gets replies and isn't ignored/saged into oblivion shows just how fucking stupid /biz/ is.

[Anonymous No.12173541]

This coin is only listed on literally who exchanges. Why even shill something so obscure?

[Anonymous No.12173702]

>>12171322

Not gonna lie, it's hilarious watching dero crash and burn.

[Anonymous No.12173709]

>>12173702
Can't let Captain get the nuclear codes!

[Anonymous No.12173729]

>>12171409
snowden knows nothing about cryptography.
>>12171322
nobody is buying your shitcoin bags. fuck off.

[Anonymous No.12173753]

>>12173415
>>12173500

average time from OP to intelligent poster: 4 hours 23 minutes

[Anonymous No.12173774]

>>12171322
Do you have the screencap of Capt mentioning that the dev team would "blow our mind(s)"??

[Anonymous No.12173867]

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XMR CUX WILL ALWAYS FIND EXUSES FOR THEIR SHITCOIN
>B-B-BUT MUH DERO IS A SCAM NO BUSINESS WIL WANT PRIVACY MUH SEC MUH REGULATIONS
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STAY POOR KEKS

[Anonymous No.12173895]

>>12173867

Top quality party there pajeet. Fuck off now

[Anonymous No.12173904]

imagine trusting a closed source privacy coin

[Anonymous No.12174604]

>>12171409
Buy tezos + zksbark sapling

[Anonymous No.12174637]

>>12171388
>>12171365
Why would I want to encrypt trivial data like blocksize limit or mining difficulty? Do you even know how monero works?

[Anonymous No.12174643]

>>12171933
Why would you? Its publicly available information.

[Anonymous No.12174658]

do you guys remember when tradesatoshi and yobit refused to list DERO because is a scam.
how epic was that.

[Anonymous No.12174693]

>>12173729
>snowden knows nothing about cryptography
cope harder faggot. his life depends on cryptography

[Anonymous No.12174696]

>>12173415
And the Captain a greedy cheapskate that put a fucking DONATE button in the wallet despite having 1 million coins (25% of current supply available) and begged community for money to get listed on exchanges.

Oh and he didn't pay Cryptonator his promised BTC, so he had to hold the DEROCON video (of 5 ppl sitting on chairs) as ransom until he got paid. Captain is a sociopath and this project will go nowhere

[Anonymous No.12174700]

>>12174604
zkSNARKs on Tezos will be a huge improvement if implemented

[Anonymous No.12174743]

>>12174696
I thought he had way way more than 25%. Its like the equivalent of solo mining for 25 straight years with no competition.

[Anonymous No.12174752]

>>12174604
>zksbark sapling
what the fuck is this

[Anonymous No.12174773]

>>12174693
snowden is literally a 100 IQ retard. his opinion on anything technical is 100% irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.12174795]

>>12174773
this, Snowden was just a regular sysadmin

[Anonymous No.12174886]

>>12174773
>snowden is literally a 100 IQ retard
the absolute state of XMR bagholders

[Anonymous No.12175177]

>>12171365
Yes, I knew Monero was a scam the moment I saw how Fluffy is related to Blockstream. I'll never use or own XMR ever.

[Anonymous No.12175710]

>>12171322
owning dero is basically like owning bcash

[Anonymous No.12175736]

>>12175710
What's the difference between BCH and BTC? To move BTC you'll have to sell to XRP, move to another exchange, and buy back BTC, while BCH you could move without needing a bank middleman.

[Anonymous No.12176265]

>>12173867
ugh, please go to 4chan with the other screeching kids

[Anonymous No.12176273]

>>12175177
>blockstream conspiracy theories
why are late adopters always so cringe

[Anonymous No.12176286]

>>12176273
>late adopters
I knew about crypto while you were still sucking from your mum's nipples.

[Anonymous No.12176315]

>>12172158
TLS requires a trusted setup thats why you plebtard

[Anonymous No.12176409]

>>12171322
It doesnt need to be encrypted even if you are using a remote node there is never any sensitive data exchanged, if that were the case the remote node would be able to cuck you.

when you use a remote node you ask it for a bunch of mixins and chain data, which is all public. constructed txes will be flooded to the network anyway, DERO literally just made itself slower by adding TLS for 0 reason

TOP KEK

[Anonymous No.12176452]

>>12176315

TLS in DERO is only to prevent someone sniffing the network passively with a sniffer or a honeypot (free WiFi in airport or any public place)

If a Hacker try an active MITM attack DERO client will be triggered with a sudden certificate change, so you'll receive a notification.

>>12176409
You miss the point.

[Anonymous No.12176571]

>>12175177
Is this for real?

[Anonymous No.12176585]

>>12176452
there is no MITM attack possible lol what is the MITM going to do? collect your TX? he can already do this by monitoring the network lol

you dero cucks are so brain dead you cant even think beyond buzzwords, explain to me a single malicious attack you can do here bc Monero doesnt use TLS

[Anonymous No.12176636]

>>12176585
>What is a Deep Packets Inspection ?
It's to prevent a government from country to sniff your traffic.

Good luck to try Monero in some country, you'll be put on a watch-list, anon.

[Anonymous No.12176665]

>>12176636
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HE THINKS ENCRYPTION MASKS HIS IP ADDRESS.

you must be literally retarded even with Dero i will be making a direct connection to a node in the Dero network, you dont need fucking DPI to see i am using Dero or Monero.

Only way to get around DPI is to use a bridge which already encrypts you shit, Dero is just adding another useless layer ontop

Man again with the buzzwords, please dont respond, you Dero brainlets are just hurting yourselves

[Anonymous No.12176695]

>>12176585
you fucking retard. see here >>12172158

[Anonymous No.12176724]

>>12176695
someone who clearly hasnt read the code lul

Monero wallets that connect to remote nodes ask for sets of randomized indexed outputs from the remote node they connect to.

You NEVER said any UTXO's over the net all txes are constructed locally, all you do is ask for blocks (public info) or submit TXes (also public info) since they are going to be flood to the whole network.

Literally none of this needs to be or should be encrypted. please read the Monero code basedboy and understand that you are simply a Dero cuck that is in way over his head

[Anonymous No.12176729]

>>12172606
Sir dero very privat

[Anonymous No.12176742]

>>12176724
no you dont you retard. im not talking about getting the utxos to get scanned. im talking about when a wallet sends a request to a node to check if their own key image is spent. the attacker can then link the keyimage sent, to a utxo and identify that that utxo belongs to your IP address.

[Anonymous No.12176749]

>>12176665
I've never talked about masking ip...

You are the brainlet, I was just talking about the tunneling feature of TLS/SSL, that prevent someone to sniff you network traffic passively.

Anyway DERO was coded in Golang, and an TLS/SSL official API was already present, so is just an extre security layer for securing the p2p layer.

You miss the point again, the target of Dero is not to be the fastest coin but the most secure one and it's not only in crypto part.

[Anonymous No.12176759]

>>12176749
>the target of Dero is not to be the fastest coin but the most secure one and it's not only in crypto part.
but it literally is the fastest coin lol. blockDAG means you can get block times down to 1 second without risk. its at 12 second now for safety/testing but even that makes it the fastest cryptonote coin afaik.

[Anonymous No.12176798]

MinerCoin.network
Dero premine scam
Choice is ez

[Anonymous No.12176821]

>>12176759
Yeah blockDAG has theoretically infinite scalability, but the actual throughput is limited by the average network bandwidth and your limited hard drive, Anon.

You can achiever even more TPS with dero with some tweak and with nodes put in a cloud, but you have to sacrifice decentralization. (look at Fantom it's a blockDAG in a cloud the real TPS is around 3000, but don't have any RingCT or any private smart contract feature)

[Anonymous No.12176824]

>>12176742
HAHAHAHAHAH

HE THINKS YOU ASK A REMOTE NODE IF YOUR KEY IMAGE IS SPENT, DO YOU EVEN HAVE A BRAIN?

I recommend you actually read something before you speak, you dont need to ask if your key image is spent, if you have history of blocks which the remote node gives you, you can see if your key image is on the blockchain. you NEVER ask the node directly by giving it your key image. lul

[Anonymous No.12176836]

>>12176749
WHAT ARE THEY SNIFFING LOL, WHAT CAN THEY POSSIBLY FIND OUT THAT THEY CANT IF YOUR TRAFFIC IS PLAINTEXT?

[Anonymous No.12176842]

>>12176824
>HE THINKS YOU ASK A REMOTE NODE IF YOUR KEY IMAGE IS SPENT, DO YOU EVEN HAVE A BRAIN?
you literally do you fucking retard. just kys your embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.12176850]

>>12176452
You can't target monero with MITM, the identifying data is processed on the client and only the shit that gets stored on the chain is sent over network. The fact that you don't understand this simple fact says all about your tech knowledge.


Dero is a shitcoin, private coins are all about trust aka how old the chain is; you literally can not know what the devs are doing behind the scenes with no public ledger

[Anonymous No.12176851]

>>12176824
>if you have history of blocks which the remote node gives you, you can see if your key image is on the blockchain. you NEVER ask the node directly by giving it your key image. lul
most people dont do this you absolute fucking tard. this is called running a fullnode. almost no one but hardcore fanatics do this.

[Anonymous No.12176864]

>>12176850
refute this; >>12172158

[Anonymous No.12176876]

>>12176850
Isn't about identifying your Private Key, but about identifying like a Crypto user using a private coin, retard.

[Anonymous No.12176886]

>>12176851
you understand that when you use a remote node you still download every single fucking block right? you just dont store the blocks, you scan them temporarily and throw them away after download.

You must literally be a retard not to understand that. Do you go to a special school?

[Anonymous No.12176898]

>>12176876
ALL DERO REMOTE NODES ARE PUBLIC, IF YOU CONNECT TO ONE YOUR ISP KNOWS THIS. TLS DOES NOT STOP THIS BIG BOY

[Anonymous No.12176905]

>>12176886
no you dont you absolute fucking retard. you just download the utxo set. download every block would make the amount of data you need to sync like 30x larger.

this is probably the worst case of dunning kruger ive ever seen on this board.

[Anonymous No.12176918]

>>12176905
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

YOU UNDERSTAND THE UTXO SET IS EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION IN MONERO RIGHT ?????????

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU THINK MONERO IS THE SAME AS BITCOIN

MUH UTXO SET

[Anonymous No.12176930]

>>12176905
READ SOMETHING BRAINLET
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5gdltd/how_does_monero_avoid_uncontrolled_utxo_growth/

[Anonymous No.12176944]

>>12176918
my god... no. just no.

utxo set is just a db of; OTA + pedersen commit + tx pub key.

each transaction that comes into a block is; OTA + pedersen commit + pseudo out commit + range proof + MLSAG sig.

Which makes download a full block magnitudes larger. you only download the utxo set when syncing a remote wallet. just stfu. again, stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.12176954]

>>12176930
this post does not help your point... at all. fluffypony literally says that the UTXO set is store in LMDB.

[Anonymous No.12176976]

>>12176898
Yeah I know, but you can still choose one of yours.

TLS/SSL is just an extra feature that harm no one.

[Anonymous No.12177011]

>>12176944
Cant even reason with you tard bois, you literally think that you give your key image to a remote node and ask it whether it is spent or not. You literally just prove my point, every client even lite clients have a list of ALL of the UTXO's from their first tx they Never need to ask a remote node if a key image is spend.

So sad, i will prey for your brain injury little boy. let me know when you sell your shitcoin bags

[Anonymous No.12177042]

>>12177011
>Cant even reason with you tard bois, you literally think that you give your key image to a remote node and ask it whether it is spent or not
you literally do... just check the code for any monero wallet yourself. im not arguing with a brainlet that thinks monero doesnt even have a utxo set. have a good day.

[Anonymous No.12177122]

>>12177042
>Still saying UTXO set, KEK
>Still not understanding that Monero isn't Bitcoin
>Still not understanding that Ring signatures create a UTXO set that can only be minimally pruned
>Still not understanding that all TXes in Monero have near equal probability of being unspent
>Still thinks you need to send a remote node your Key Images outside of TX submission

you cant be saved man, you're too far gone

[Anonymous No.12177135]

>>12177122
has to be bait at this point. in the r*ddit thread you linked fluffypony literally says that there is a utxo set. cant believe im replying. 6/10.

[Anonymous No.12177143]

>>12171322
ok this is epic

[Anonymous No.12177824]

OP confirmed for being a complete retard. You do realize it makes no difference, do you?

[Anonymous No.12178206]

>>12177824
does it affect the blockchain in any material way? no
will your ISP mark you as a druggie/terrorist? yes
will the FBI/police put you on a drug list? yes
will homeland security mark you as a terrorist? yes