/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.11986163]

So what are you currents thoughts on JNT? What are the odds on them actually having another listing and big news before EOY? I myself am quite doubtful but would like some other opinions. They have a bad track record with these things.

[Anonymous No.11986186]

Who gives a shit? Neither will have any long-term effect on the price action. If you wanted a quick flip, should have bought at sub 1k sats.

[Anonymous No.11986209]

>>11986186
I did. Its more a case of how much can they be trusted to stick to their plans. What are your thoughts on what are you thoughts on their current actions and has it signaled a real change in their operations. Are they more reliable now?

[Anonymous No.11986427]

[Anonymous No.11986726]

Getting delisted from Kucoin is not a great start. This is bottom

[Anonymous No.11986756]

>>11986726
Apparently Kucoin was trying to blackmail them for money.

[Anonymous No.11986762]

>>11986163
1000 bag holders EOY

[Anonymous No.11986849]

>>11986726
>>11986756
Out of the loop, why did they get delisted?

[Anonymous No.11986884]

>>11986849
kucoin doesn't give a specific reason but it could be any number of things, but it's probably because it's a dead project.

I don't expect any listing before EOY and maybe they'll release a wallet in 2019.

[Anonymous No.11986909]

>>11986849
Pic related the reason given from Yazan. Not surprising consider they know Jibrel is one of the few projects which has money to pay.

This guy >>11986884 is just talking out of his ass.

[Anonymous No.11987013]

>>11986909
You're either more inclined to believe Kucoin or believe Yazan, and if you beleive what Yazan says at this point, well, that's on you.

[Anonymous No.11987033]

I have always thought this would work alot better if it was not available to buy from multiple exchanges and only available from one source that Jibrel fully control

[Anonymous No.11987049]

>>11987033
It would make a alot more sense to market the stablecoins and not sell the solvency token publicly.

[Anonymous No.11987050]

Bitcoin is a self sustaining ponzi with bust cycles that oscillate higher and higher the more people have invested sunk cost into it. Whoever designed it very well understood the harmonic nature of signal propagation in complicated self sustaining systems. Unironically if you spend enough time on acid in an ocean, you will come to an intuitive understanding of what this is all about.

[Anonymous No.11987100]

>>11987013
Kucoin didn't say anything which contradicts Yazan. It just contradicts you. The choice is between trusting you or someone who has their name behind everything they say.

Guess who I'm going with.

[Anonymous No.11987107]

>>11986186
>>11986209
>>11986726
>>11986756
>>11986909

[Anonymous No.11987239]

>>11987100

*Low liquidity for a certain period of time
*The project ceases or is likely to cease its operation or business activities for 3
months
*The project fails to inform KuCoin of its material change(s)
The project fails to cooperate with KuCoin for regular routine inspection
There is a security issue about the project’s technology
*The project development is not carried out according to the roadmap planned in
the white paper, and there is no announcement of the progress on the project’s
official website
The project’s information disclosure is incomplete, misleading or untrue
*The project is insolvent or a step, order or proceeding for liquidation,
bankruptcy, insolvency or similar is taken, made or commenced against or in
relation to it or any material part of its assets
The project or its team member (including but not limited to founders,
consultants) is under investigation for a suspected breach of or is convicted for
an actual breach of any applicable laws, statutes and regulations
*The project carries out market misconduct such as wash trading, market
manipulation or insider trading
Any other situation KuCoin may deem risky for its users or platform.


IT could be any number of things. Just because Yazan says Kucoin is trying to extort them (out of the 200 coins they list), doesn't make it so. Take everything with a grain of salt, espeically when it comes from a team that has failed to deliver anything up until this point.

[Anonymous No.11987285]

>>11987239
Failing to deliver and outright lying are two very different things. You know this. You are being intellectually dishonest because you have a motive.

Jibrel as noted has funds which most coins with low volume don't. You have to believe he is outright lying about something in order for your narrative to work but it doesn't actually track.

[Anonymous No.11987356]

>>11987285
https://twitter.com/jibrelnetwork/status/999735507037933569?lang=en

Do you feel like this is lying or not? What happened to the exchange listing?

[Anonymous No.11987419]

>>11987356
Those both fall under failing to deliver. You know this and are trying to dance around it.

If you were a logical person would you jump to
>but it's probably because it's a dead project.

Consider that they are active and hiring along with having an article on Coindesk about an active implementation with a bank they are working on a few days ago you would know "Dead Project" is a retarded assumption.

Especially when you can look and the volume and see there has been fuck all volume for months which matches with the low liquidity reason that KuCoin lists and Yazan saying they wanted them to pay listing and market making fees.

You listed the reasons yourself. You are either a moron or being dishonest. We both know which it is though.

[Anonymous No.11987453]

XLM is more sharia complaint than this :)

Inshallah jibrels

[Anonymous No.11987512]

>>11987419
I'm being perfectly honest.I just recently doubled down on this shit.

But saying "jwallet right around the corner" in FUCKING MAY when it's still not out yet is an outright LIE. You're a fucking retard if you take anything they say at face value at this point.

[Anonymous No.11987572]

>>11987512
Its failing to deliver. They literally had an article where they said there were delays on everything and apologized a month or two later. You are acting like they said around the corner and then just ignored the fact that they said it until now.

They set deadlines that they failed to meet. They did not lie about things that did happen. A ten year old understands the distinction. You shouldn't take any DEADLINES they set at face value but if they say that something HAPPENED you can believe them.

[Anonymous No.11987598]

>>11987572
This level of cope is really amazing to me. Are you the new community manager by chance?

[Anonymous No.11987698]

>>11987598
>Gets cornered and blown out over his dumb arguments
>LOL COPE COMMUNITY MANAGER
Of course that is where you go. Can't muster up an actually decent argument so just start shouting cope and hope you don't look stupid in front of a bunch of people on the internet.

>>11986163
>>11986209
Read the two first two posts I made. I'm fully aware of their nature and the point of this thread was to discuss how much you can actually trust their actions in regards to deadlines and actually coming through with what they say.

Your arguments don't come from a place of reason however. You have an actual problem with them on a personal level and are trying to pretend you don't. They can't be trusted with deadlines I established that at the very start of the thread whose purpose was again to talk about the project and whether or not they have changed and what that means for the future.

However they can be trusted to tell the truth about actual events and things that did in fact happen. You are the unreasonable moron here who is slinging his emotions around and trying to couch them in stupid arguments and platitudes to get people to agree with you and at this point you just devolved into yelling cope after you could not muster up any more arguments.

You have a chip on your shoulder and aren't reasonable if I'm being kind and are a fucking retard if I'm not.

[Anonymous No.11987857]

>>11987572
>A ten year old understands the distinction.

You're talking about the SEED Group sheikh, right?

[Anonymous No.11987915]

>>11987857
I mean obviously. He loves bouncy castles and ethical distinctions.

[Anonymous No.11988593]

>>11987698
>I cornered you

It's your opinion that they weren't outright lying rather than 'failing to deliver'. Listen nigger, I don't know how you defining lying where you're from, but if someone tells me a product is basically ready in May and it's not there by December, I'd call it a lie.

You're rationalizing.

[Anonymous No.11988648]

>>11988593
No rationalizing here. You just got cornered and are trying to define everything and are ignoring literally everything that doesn't support you. They said it was around the corner in May. Then two months later they said they were wrong and it was delayed.

That is quite simply failing to deliver. You ignored that because you need to have some grounds to fight on and the reality is that you don't. Your ego is driving you to keep arguing a point you know you can't win but its pointless.

But please keep trying to find something to stand on when this is just entire conversation is now about you not wanting to admit you are wrong despite being proven that your conclusions were founded on emotion rather than reason.

Whats funny is that you went with "Yazan is lying and they keep lying" because you have such personal grudge against them. You could have made the argument that while Yazan wasn't lying he could be exaggerating about the price they want or that it was blackmail as Kucoin might have a legitimate reason for requesting funds from them and he was framing it in a way which makes them the victim. Which is something they would do. But no you keep sticking to irrationality because you are mad and your ego is on the line.

I mean really there are dozens of things they can be called out for any you picked the dumbest one and will now defend it to the death because you said it.

[Anonymous No.11988706]

>>11987100
No clue why you would believe him since yazan has lied multiple times.

But you are the average crypto investor...soon the imminent beta wallet is finished.

[Anonymous No.11988983]

>>11988648
>11/29 posts by this ID
Keep coping sir.
Very difference between not delievering and giving wrong milestone and announcements
Much cope cope cope

[Anonymous No.11989007]

>>11988706
>>11988983
>Guy stops replying
>Suddenly two 1 post by this IDs defending him
You are cute. Only going to reply to your main ID if you want to keep trying.

[Anonymous No.11989941]

Can you faggots stop whining about the beta wallet?

Do you realize how many more important tasks they have than a fucking beta wallet that nobody would even use currently?

"BUT THEY SAID IT WOULD BE RELEASED" - you cry out in agony

They said that in may, the project was 3 months out of the ICO. They are basically completely new to managing a company (and not a simple company, but a cutting edge one on a bleeding edge technology), at that time they thought that releasing the beta wallet would be important, prolly cuz they were a bit dumb and listened to whiny children on telegram.

Then they soon realized that they need to make it BANKING GRADE, with top tier software security requirements, and that nobody would yet use it but they would need to dedicate all their manpower to finish it on time.

Meanwhile they had all the other shit coming up, bank pilots, sukuk shit, other way more important process and software developments, and they finally realized that it would be just outright stupid to prioritize finishing a beta wallet right now.

This is how it works in business and real life. But you would know it if you werent a smelly retarded NEET whose only job was at McDonalds but were even too stupid to manage that.

[Anonymous No.11989942]

>>11989007
Why do you even engage with an obvious pajeet? First day on 4channel?

[Anonymous No.11989950]

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11989951]

>>11989007
>Cognitive dissonance is kicking in

[Anonymous No.11989974]

>>11989007
He’s already dead bro you can relax no need to fight the pajeet zombies too

[Anonymous No.11990464]

Dont feed the troll. We know Jibrel is legit. This guy is either a troll, wants the price low, is butthurt or retarded.

[Anonymous No.11990628]

>>11989941
Right. What else have they said:

>jCash at the launch of token listing
>BBB exchnage listings right from the start
>Marketed via Binance with their epic Bitcoin Revolution Event
>Teasing with the biggest partnership and announcement and deleting it shortly after it
>Permanently changing the tokenomics like they wouldn't care about the so called investors
>developing part of the project is still behind, nearly 1year than the original milestones in every fucking Project
Nearly everything should be finished by latest Q4
>Business part of the project looks everything else than bullish, only 2/7 pilots are in track, what about the rest? No further explanation, but who cares, right?
>Now everyone is getting baited by 1m tokenizing, like they were by the 250m tokenizing deal.
>Last but not least
Exchange listing was promised for Q4. I am waiting for another excuse.

Troll, they said, while coping and circle jerking.

[Anonymous No.11990644]

>>11990628
Fuethermore. We can address the positive things too.

>They have 4 offices
>They are active on the business side of the project.
Which unfortunately nobody is able to see

[Anonymous No.11991046]

Follow the Telegram chat, read the progress reports and ignore the 4chan fud. I am ramping up my holding as they have real relationships and plenty of cash in the bank. Items like the wallet are red herrings. Look at the progress reports and you will see what is being decelooed.

[Anonymous No.11991078]

>>11990628
Yep, there are plenty of issues and delays. It's almost like dealing with a new startup that is learning as they go.

[Anonymous No.11991721]

>>11990644
I'm thinking more and more the whole thing was a moneygrab like basically all crypto startups. I don't blame them either, there was so much fucking money being thrown away 2017/early 2018 at shit ICOs. Realistically the only reason they've included proof of solvency is so people would buy their token. Now they are just working away, spending their time "productively" until in say a year when they wind the whole thing down and say they learned some important lessons and move on with their lives. I don't think they have any intention of doing anything with the token that will cause its value to increase.

[Anonymous No.11991802]

>>11991721
Then sell and don't fud in every fucking thread

[Anonymous No.11991855]

>>11991802
Literally the first post I've made here since at least September. FUD? Hate how any criticism is reduced to this with regards to crypto.

[Anonymous No.11991889]

>>11991721
I'm pretty sure it's not legal in Switzerland to walk away with $30M in funds. I happily accept the 3x from here as a worst case scenario.

[Anonymous No.11991925]

>>11991855
Maybe it's not you but someone hates on this project in every fucking thread and it's always the same stuff. Criticism is okay. But not blind hate and disregarding everything the team has achieved as well as the fact that they are a young startup. If that troll-guy is not you, then sorry.

[Anonymous No.11991939]

>>11988593
moving the goalposts

[Anonymous No.11991963]

>>11991889
That's what I'm saying though. Clearly they are a legitimate company but I really doubt their will to do anything revolutionary. They are hiring, renting buildings and making good headlines but I don't think it's much more than housekeeping. I'm sure they are paying themselves a good wage while jetting off to crypto conferences and "meetings" anyway...

[Anonymous No.11992061]

>>11991925
There is more than one person doing it. Sometimes I can be positive and give them the benefit of the doubt, but then other times I put my feelings aside and try to be objective.

It's tough to have confidence in them when they've failed to deliver on every promise they've ever made up until this point. If it keeps going like this, people are going to have to admit it's willful negligence rather than incompetence.

I'm still hoping they'll get it together and actually start releasing products, but the market price reflects the public's confidence in them.

[Anonymous No.11992107]

>>11991963
That's nice and all, but it doesn't change the fact that at worst I'll make cool 200%.

[Anonymous No.11992558]

>>11991963
except if they succeed, they will be billionaires. i think that gives you drive

[Anonymous No.11992594]

>>11992061
>when they've failed to deliver on every promise they've ever made up until this point.
That's simply not true.

Wait at least till eoy. Q4 means end of december most of the times. If you're lucky, that is. Deadlines work that way.

[Anonymous No.11992605]

>>11992594
And keep a suicide stack

[Anonymous No.11992621]

>>11992594
What promise have they kept so far? Seems to me they haven't hit a single deadline after the ICO

[Anonymous No.11992634]

>>11992061
>but the market price reflects the public's confidence in them.

We are in a bear market btw.
>Muh reasonable fud

[Anonymous No.11992695]

>>11992621
Jcash is out. Yes, soft-launch. Of course they need to make sure it is safe before millions are pumped into it.

News till eoy (sukuk)

Quarterly reports and monthly updates now.

250m liquidity partnership (yes, it was delayed, so fucking what?)

On the technical side they need to fix their deadline management. But that is mostly about the wallet and the finalized Jcash (that needs to be tested carefully)

[Anonymous No.11992726]

>>11992695
Their deadlines are fucked up but their not "failing to deliver on every promise"

[Anonymous No.11992762]

>>11992634
we are in a bear market. but look at chainlink compared to JNT (the only other alt I hold btw), Link has a lost a lot of value, but there's strong buy pressure every time it goes down and hasn't lost NEARLY as much value as JNT, which is due entirely to the team's flip flopping and failure to deliver. If people had the same confidence in the team that they did back in Feb they'd be loading up on the dips.

I load on the dips because I don't have a choice.

[Anonymous No.11992866]

>>11992762
Link however is one of the very few examples. And it is a known and shilled product with mainnet coming out and the tokens will soon be locked up (if I understand that correctly). Bitcoin itself is down 80%. The price is hardly an indicator.

Nobody knows JNT. It gets fudded violently by racists and impatient wallet-boys in every thread here. And it's not even on a big exchange. Many people who hear about Jibrel probably don't even know about the proof of solvency.

I wouldn't even be surprised if liquidity providers are actively holding the price down to accumulate low. But thats a conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous No.11992880]

>>11992762
way fewer people know about jnt than link

[Anonymous No.11992899]

>>11992762
And you DO have a choice. Cut your losses, go all in link, keep a suicide stack. Probably not the worst choice.

If Jibrel would stop the deadlines and say it's done when it's done, people wouldnt be so buttburt.

[Anonymous No.11992926]

>>11992899
>If Jibrel would stop the deadlines and say it's done when it's done, people wouldnt be so buttburt.

That's my point. The collective wisdom of the market realizes that they literally cannot deliver on anything. And it's silly to bring up FUD when comparing it to CL.

The team brings the FUD on themselves by either actively lying or setting deadlines that they can't possibly hit. Also the community manager sucks.

[Anonymous No.11992990]

>>11986163
Unfortunately like most coins on the market it will be wiped out before the next bull run. Other than the boutique coins, only a handful of coins like (cough) SKY or XLM (cough) will remain

[Anonymous No.11993014]

>>11992926
If Jcash will be used, nobody cares about deadlines. Deadlines aren't there to be met no matter what.

[Anonymous No.11993029]

>>11992926
>collective wisdom of the market
Dont make me laugh

Gonna stop now, sorry. It leads to nothing. Just sell.

[Anonymous No.11993049]

Fools hold ERC-20 tokens, AKA glorified ticker symbols

[Anonymous No.11993172]

>>11993049
true patricians only hold niggercoin

[Anonymous No.11993467]

Will 1 JNT ever be worth $5? What are the odds?

[Anonymous No.11993516]

>>11993467
50:50

[Anonymous No.11993820]

>>11993467
It's going to hit price parity with Link before EOY.

[Anonymous No.11994280]

>>11993029
D E L U D E D
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D
E
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Yeah, I bet you're laughing at all those morons who dumped their bags at $.70 back in Feb. We're trading at $.06 now only because the bank announcement gave people confidence that they're actually still developing a product. All you have are promises and hopium.

[Anonymous No.11994617]

>>11994280
>D E L U D E D
>E
>L
>U
>D
>E
>D

What are you? An edgy teenager? Crypto itself is all promises and hopium.

[Anonymous No.11994667]

>>11994617
Thats the problem, unlike most other projects that built their marketcaps off hype, this never did.So it has to be the unicorn that delivers.Odds are way against it.

[Anonymous No.11994727]

>>11994667
You convinced me. Literally unironically sold 100k

[Anonymous No.11994963]

ITT: Bagholder and ex-bagholder who sold their bag with a great loss

[Anonymous No.11995067]

The team lied to everyone before the ico saying the big 3 BBB exchanges were coming in feb 2017, and that jcash was launching in feb 2017.They outright lied to secure 30 million ico funding.Thats all you need to know.

[Anonymous No.11995402]

>>11991889
You can make “reasonable efforts” and pretend to do work, then walk away

[Anonymous No.11995431]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

WHERES MY FUCKIINNGGGG MONEY TALALLLLLLLLLLLLLL
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.11995448]

>>11995067
Woah, thanks for looking out for me. Just sold 100k. Really missed a bullet there!

[Anonymous No.11995479]

>>11994727
I still think that they'll deliver something, I just think it's retarded to blindly trust them when they've provided very little evidence in favor of being trustworthy.

[Anonymous No.11995573]

>>11995479
Blindly trusting them is as retarded as blindly hating them. Let's see. Jibrel threads are too emotional.