>live in UK >entry level software dev; £25k >call centre job; £25k can someone explain how the fuck this is possible. fuck this shit country.

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Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:10:24 2018 No.11919113 [Reply] [Original]

>live in UK
>entry level software dev; £25k
>call centre job; £25k

can someone explain how the fuck this is possible. fuck this shit country.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:12:07 2018 No.11919130 >>11919113 >can someone explain how the fuck this is possible High minimum wage laws.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:16:06 2018 No.11919160 >>11919113 have you like, never paid attention to the skin color of the humanoids you come across on the sidewalk?

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:16:13 2018 No.11919161
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>>11919130
what the fuck is this bullshit. i look at American salaries and dev's over there are making $70-80k starting. Here, even in FUCKING london you get £25k

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I can write p2p networking systems and custom implementations of ristretto point multiplication over ecc curves along with provably secure schnorr signature functions. how in THE NAME OF FUcK is my skill on the same level of a call center job that literally says in its description "zero experience required". FUCKCKCKCKKCKCKCKCCK its NOTT FUCKING FAIR.

fuck capitalism

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:20:24 2018 No.11919185

>>11919161
>I can write p2p networking systems and custom implementations of ristretto point multiplication over ecc curves along with provably secure schnorr signature functions. ho
Your skill has nothing to do with it, it's supply and demand. Plenty of talented CS people and mathematicians make shit money in academia too.

Haven't you ever considered immigrating to Silicon Valley if you're a good developer?

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:21:07 2018 No.11919193

>>11919161
First
>London
Get out of there. Move away, there's no point staying there, you can find a dev job in a much cheaper city.
Second, those expensive dev jobs in the US are also in the most expensive cities. The thread with the 1.1 million dollars cuckshed in cali is still up, and I'm pretty sure you can find some decent medical bill gore thread somewhere as well.
You get ripped off tho, entry level dev salary in France is 30-35k€

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:23:14 2018 No.11919206

>>11919193
>Second, those expensive dev jobs in the US are also in the most expensive cities.
Even if you account for cost of living, nobody buys property to live long term in California.

If you make 3 times the salary in California but cost of living is 2x your current area, it's a no brainer to move there and try to bank away as much as you can before moving away for an early retirement.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:23:30 2018 No.11919207 >>11919113 >>entry level software dev; £25k >>call centre job; £25k small apartment in London: £26k

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:25:35 2018 No.11919223

>>11919206
>it's a no brainer to move there and try to bank away as much as you can before moving away for an early retirement.
One of my coworker did that actually, went to work for AMAT intending to work until he could put enough money on the side to retire comfortably here. However, quality of life is simply too shit there, and he came back early.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:28:42 2018 No.11919245

>>11919161
>I can write p2p networking systems and custom implementations of ristretto point multiplication over ecc curves along with provably secure schnorr signature functions
Then why do you tell them you're 'entry-level' in the first place? Tell them you're senior

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:29:51 2018 No.11919256

>>11919223
Well, the other benefit is that working for a FAANG company looks as a software dev for a few years looks pretty good on your resume and opens a lot of doors IMO.

Quality of life is pretty shit in a lot of ways yeah but decent in others, maybe tradeoffs are worth it. Might be worth it for OP given how cucked he's getting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:30:54 2018 No.11919265 working for a FAANG company as a software dev for a few years*

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:32:03 2018 No.11919272 >>11919256 >Might be worth it for OP given how cucked he's getting. Well, he's living in London, of course he's a cuck.

>>	2 scoops !!DU22SQMj6dQ Tue Nov 27 04:36:13 2018 No.11919304 >>11919193 Half correct. >>11919161 >$70-80k starting. Also half correct. I made 92k starting in a very low cost of living area while some of my friends were making about 150k starting over in Seattle.

2 scoops !!DU22SQMj6dQ Tue Nov 27 04:39:27 2018 No.11919322

>>11919245
This.
>>11919161
OP, I don't even know what any of that shit is.
I heard most of the guys at Google just write protobufs all day, so maybe you should've learned to write some actually useful software.
I'd recommend checking out a site called leetcode.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:40:35 2018 No.11919330

>>11919304
moving to america isnt really an option. getting a greencard to work there is near impossible. but i have an eu passport so can move anywhere in europe pretty easily. only 18yo tho and never really left home so would be a huge step.

>>11919245
because im self taught w/ no prior job experience other than open source projects. i get responses for senior positions but as soon as i tell them my qualifications i get btfo. so only option is junior.

2 scoops !!DU22SQMj6dQ Tue Nov 27 04:42:58 2018 No.11919345

>>11919330
>moving to america isnt really an option. getting a greencard to work there is near impossible.
Then how do all the fucking pajeets pull it off?
More than half of FAANG employees are fucking foreign born.
Why are we importing Indians when we could be importing fucking britbongs like you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:47:58 2018 No.11919376 >>11919161 >fuck capitalism That's not capitalism. That's pure socialism - all people's stomachs are equal, so if 25k is enough for an unskilled Pajeet from a call center, then it's also enough for you. You don't think that's fair? Huh? Huh?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 04:48:30 2018 No.11919379 Try working in a call center, it's very cuthroat my man the 25k ain't worth it

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:16:38 2018 No.11919546

>>11919161
Go to Switzerland or the US. I'm Irish, just got offered an entry level software engineer job in Ireland. I'm planning on moving to Switzerland in a year (I'm on a one year contract here). They have the highest salaries in Europe for software engineers. Yes, it's very expensive, but it still easily worth it. Easy to move there if you're an EU citizen (brexit may fuck this up for you, idk). Salaries are probably slightly higher in the US, but it's harder to get into.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:18:02 2018 No.11919553 >>11919161 >>11919546 Oh, and Zug seems to be great for crypto stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:18:57 2018 No.11919560 >>11919161 First job out of uni 35k, which is admittedly on the high end Just got an offer after a year and a bit for 50k You're doing something wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:21:16 2018 No.11919577 >>11919161 If you understand the tech, be a tech writer. I just landed my first tech writer job full time. £37k a year home based. It's a neet feeling anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:21:28 2018 No.11919579 >>11919546 I have Danish passport so i wont get cucked by Brexit. May start applying to swiss companies now. >>11919560 fuck you. ree

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:23:54 2018 No.11919592 >>11919161 um, where the fuck can i apply to this £25k a year job that requries zero experience?

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:25:20 2018 No.11919601

>>11919330
I have no idea what the fuck you are even saying you can do

>I can write p2p networking systems and custom implementations of ristretto point multiplication over ecc curves along with provably secure schnorr signature functions
I'm a lead dev currently looking for employers for a start up about to release our service, but I don't care or know about the skills you mention (other than they may indicate you are smart)

I would hire you if you showed me a github account with some modern JS/web dev projects and your code looked mediocre or better, that is how desperate we are for developers here (Copenhagen)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:25:47 2018 No.11919606 >>11919577 wtf are you serious? you mean blockchain tech? can you give some names of companies that are hiring?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:26:24 2018 No.11919611 >>11919601 employees*

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:27:13 2018 No.11919617 >>11919579 London contractors make £500+ a day. Get a couple of years xp and you're set.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:27:16 2018 No.11919618 >>11919601 is remote ok? I can move but it would be a hassle. like i said i have Danish passport. Have you got telegram where we can talk?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:27:46 2018 No.11919622 People would much rather work as a dev than in a call center. The better work offsets the not particulary high skill requirements.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:28:57 2018 No.11919628 File: 200 KB, 600x500, evolutionwelfarestate.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11919113 >>11919130 This Welcome to the welfare state, enjoy your stay. While it last.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:29:39 2018 No.11919632

>>11919113
>can someone explain how the fuck this is possible.
leftists, liberals & obviously muslims are the main cause of UK degeneration over the couple of years. let's also not forget that british people are straight forward savages. always have been. now they have to pay the bill. that's why anon. brits deserve to vanish into more degeneracy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:31:16 2018 No.11919645 >>11919113 I've seen places offering £18k for a mobile+web developer in the south east My father was earning the same as an office clerk, 20 years ago

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:33:08 2018 No.11919657

>>11919606

Yeah blockchain. There's not so many that just openly post 'technical writer's jobs, although IOHK have a post open last time I checked. I just asked in telegram groups, got odd jobs to build a portfolio and did some guest post work, say about 3 months of writing casually (I.e. evenings and weekends), then I asked one of my clients if there was full time work available. There was. It's definitely possible if your English is good (native speaker).

I'm not even a blockchain expert, I've just been lurking here and reading for a couple of years.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:35:55 2018 No.11919677

>>11919601
>>11919611
>>11919618
bump. im desperate for a job bro. I know MERN stack for javascript as well as a few other mainstream js libs. Also know ES6 well. drop me a message on @bytes32 on telegram and ill send you my github.

>>11919657
ok thanks. checking it out now.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:37:21 2018 No.11919685

>>11919618
Remote is definitely feasible, but full disclosure we can't hire anyone until we release (crunch-time until then; don't have time to onboard anyone right now).

I don't use/know telegram, going old school:

throwaway4chanbiz@gmail.com

hit me up if you're interested

stack: node/express, react/redux, mongodb, docker

if you don't know JS, don't bother

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:38:38 2018 No.11919695 >>11919685 schwuchtel

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:41:27 2018 No.11919706

>>11919677
You might be interested in Decred. You can become a contractor for them and work remotely. They don't care if you have a degree as long as do good work. Basically just find something on the github that needs to be done, do it, then they'll pay you if you do a good job.
https://medium.com/@NoahPierau/how-to-join-the-decred-development-team-ad2475d8d99c
Go to their slack channel if you want to learn more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:42:08 2018 No.11919712 >>11919345 >Then how do all the fucking pajeets pull it off? They're not on greencards. They're on non-immigrant work visas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:43:21 2018 No.11919716 >>11919685 Just sent you my resume & github.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:43:31 2018 No.11919718 >>11919706 I'm an experienced JS dev, any other projects like this one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:44:04 2018 No.11919721 >>11919617 Nobody in the UK makes over £60k a year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:45:31 2018 No.11919734 >>11919546 Swiss market is tough, highly competitive for very job openings and demands the knowledge of one of the official languages. I don't think you stand a chance. >t. senior software engineer in Switzerland

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:48:07 2018 No.11919751 >>11919721 imagine living in a country where their mansion is considered a shoebox anywhere else in the world with a max salary of a junior software dev in the US what a joke

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:50:00 2018 No.11919764

>>11919161
you've got a set of skills that aren't in demand, no one gives a shit about schnorr signature or elliptic curves in corporate dev
you need a solid experience in perfomant backends (java/c#) or be a solid front end dev (angular/react)
since you only have open source experience, you have no soft skills for agile teams, working to requirements, estimating, backlog grooming etc etc
just cause you can code some shit that looks cool in a cs paper, doesn't mean you're good in the real world mate

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:51:33 2018 No.11919775 >>11919721 Your an idiot. The U.K. Is doomed, but not for all. 1-2 years post grad law,£100,000 , London

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:54:16 2018 No.11919792 >>11919161 The wage might be the same in a call centre. But the slavery is much higher.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:55:58 2018 No.11919809 >>11919792 and if he's as good as he says he is, he will be promoted to senior and lead levels in a year or two fed up of neets with no corporate experience thinking they can jump into a 60k job cause they've pushed up a few commits to github

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 05:59:40 2018 No.11919839 >>11919113 I'm unironically looking for a dev to work with in UK.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:02:08 2018 No.11919859

>>11919734
Fair enough. I'll need to search for jobs towards the end of my contract next year, so I may as well try searching in Switzerland, along with other places. If I can't find one there, so be it. When I searched before I saw quite a few jobs for English speakers, but I am learning German anyway.

>>11919718
I don't know of any others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:03:29 2018 No.11919865 >>11919859 Btw, Decred is looking to implement Schnorr signatures (since you mentioned it).

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:08:48 2018 No.11919907

>>11919764
Reality is CS is of no use to commoditised corporate software dev. There is a reason people go for CS PHD, spend time reserach and then take “honorary”, semi-hands-off, reserach positions such as Facebook AI Labs or Microsoft Research etc. Commoditisation has been rapid in CS. Now ML is a mem in corporate dev too and you will be spending more on ML Enginwering than anything else.

If you want to see cutting edge reserach, don’t listen to critics and look at BioTech / Nanobiophotonics / Molecular Sensors and NanoTech in general / Lab-on-chip and / ImmunologyTech etc. If math can be applied there as Computational Biology, good otherwise you are shunted our. Brilliant minds are not working in front of JIRA / Agile BS / Angular / Java backends. These are commodity drones soon to be replaced by specialise vendors. Have you looked at Alteryx as a Data Science tool. As a PM I should be able to do Data Science visually without hiring a little army of PhDs.

If you are that talented, find a niche / businsss where your skills are in demand and become consultant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:11:10 2018 No.11919918 >>11919839 have you got telegram or an email I can send my info to?

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:12:25 2018 No.11919922

>>11919907
>If you want to see cutting edge reserach, don’t listen to critics and look at BioTech / Nanobiophotonics / Molecular Sensors and NanoTech in general / Lab-on-chip and / ImmunologyTech etc
Unironically this.

t. works in R&D in one of the biggest nanotech RTO in the world

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:14:31 2018 No.11919934 >>11919113 "Skilled" immigrants. Enjoy it retard, at least you aren't racist.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:16:57 2018 No.11919940

>he's working for a tech company owned by a pajeet or muzzy
>they came to his country and started at call center
>now they learned how to advance beyond being a code/dev drone
>UK cucks graduating their scam club (uni) are desperate for work and will happily take the 25k
Heh rekt

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:31:55 2018 No.11920012

>>11919907
yeah, and gl finding one of those jobs when you dont have a degree or any professional experience
if he is any good, he should go to the bottom like everyone else does and work up
the only way you get a job like that is if your at the top of your class in module and get selected
come back to the real world

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:40:06 2018 No.11920066 >>11919113 >entry level nurse job £25k You guys are fucked. Nurses make like $60k starting in the US.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:41:59 2018 No.11920080 >>11919922 Need a tech writer? MPhil in life sciences here

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:42:42 2018 No.11920087 >>11919721 Only Ngubu playing for Norf FC 60-year old doctor Investment banker cucking it 16/7

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:43:15 2018 No.11920094

>>11919685

I'd like to as your opinon on what areas of expertise I should develope in oreder to look more appealing to employers.

I'm currently working in a very small firm and am the only employee. I'm basicallt responsible for deploying all of our servers and services. The job is mainly concentrated around linux servers and sysadmin stuff, but I am developing a Node/Express server with angularjs frontend.

If I wanted to apply on a more coding oriented job what exactly should I make available for the potential employer? I expect I should start some meme projects just for demonstration purposes on github?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:45:21 2018 No.11920107 I make over $70k a year and I literally clean toilets for living.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:46:41 2018 No.11920119 >>11920012 Tech is a winner-take-all market after rapid commoditisation. I would rather be a carpenter / a bus driver / a nurse as opposed to tolerate Agile bigotry / Angular-React BS.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:50:31 2018 No.11920143

>>11920119
why do ppl not realise you have to start somewhere? all highly paid devs/managers all mostly started from being code monkeys
you get experience, side step to a better role, get experience in that role, side step to a better role
you cannot jump into a 60k+ job with no experience ffs, why is everyone so entitled

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:51:46 2018 No.11920153

>>11919113
supply and demand
all the shitskins coming over from india with basic software dev skills are able to fill those entry level jobs, drives the competitive salary down, becomes a menial job just like anything else; as long as there's more people willing to do a job than there is demand for those people, the wage will remain low

find an industry that has a real worker shortage and get trained for that instead, or better yet find a way to start your own business so you can scale multiplicatively

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:52:48 2018 No.11920165

>>11919907
what the fuck? Been asking around and everyone's saying such different things that I don't know what's going on anymore. Please give it to me straight will majoring in math + self-teach general programming knowledge be sufficient for opening up challenging but well-compensated career options?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 06:54:02 2018 No.11920168 >>11920107 You must be cleaning the really dirty ones?

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 07:07:48 2018 No.11920239

>>11920094
The things you mention are already enough to have me interested; familiarity with JS/meme frameworks/dev ops is a good start for an entry level position. My ideal employee is autonomous in JS in backend and frontend and can be depended on to push working code without constant supervision.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 07:11:06 2018 No.11920261 lmao living in the UK is piss easy, i get paid 36k to do a desktop support job where i probably work about 3 hours a day from home. Try harder

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 07:11:54 2018 No.11920268

>>11920119
>>11919907

You know well what's up with the current state of the software industry and the treatment of developers as assembly line workers through Agile and Scrum shit.

I assume you used to work in that industry and pivoted to another industry? If so, please do tell. I'm also considering the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 07:54:20 2018 No.11920509 >>11919721 Nice bait. Have a (you)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 07:57:40 2018 No.11920525 Poos will work for anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 08:03:01 2018 No.11920564 >>11919113 >entry level software dev; £25k >call centre job; £25k incorrect call centres might pay £25k in london, but devs are like £40k unless you're applying to a spic startup

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 08:20:57 2018 No.11920717

>>11919113
So you have neither degree nor Github to show, and have absolutely nothing showing you can do the basics of work like show up on time, interact with team members and work longer than 2 weeks without burning out, and you're wondering why people don't want to hire you for senior positions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 08:21:35 2018 No.11920721 File: 21 KB, 399x165, 093458093475345.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11919113 >>11920564 >>11919751 >25k Maybe last year. You'd be lucky to be even making 16k in software dev these days

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 08:38:29 2018 No.11920825 >>11919113 After decades of subsidizing immigrants, britboings are poorfags now :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 09:45:23 2018 No.11921504 >>11920721 That seems like an internship.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 09:53:11 2018 No.11921593 >>11919161 £25k net or gross?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 10:18:34 2018 No.11921842 >>11919161 My friend is 4 years out of university and is earning 100k+ a year as a developer for a gambilng company. You guys must just be shit software developers or didn’t do computer science

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 10:22:55 2018 No.11921888

>>11919113
you fucking retard- in life its not about what you know BUT who you know
and skills dont matter- most moeny is made on the stock exchange so they rather hire lots of callcenter people than real developers simply you can market them better

dude you got a long way to go thatswhy start out with 25k

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 10:31:44 2018 No.11921982 >>11919706 >do it, then they'll pay you if you do a good job. kek seriously? Do the work, we pay you when you finished and we may like it!

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 10:46:02 2018 No.11922130

>>11921982
Meant to say they'll hire you if you did a good job. That's just the initial stage, to see that you're actually competent. They'll hire you after that if you're competent and pay you for past and future work. So basically a week or two of time invested and then they'll hire you if you're good. Not really a big deal if you're actually interested in the project (which is the kind of person they're looking for). The upside is you can get a sweet remote job without any degree (they don't care as long as you can do the work).

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 11:55:27 2018 No.11922820 >>11919161 Pajeets, a lot of them. Did you think globalism was for fun and variety? They dumped your wage by bringing in cheap labor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 12:38:12 2018 No.11923325 frens, what's the market like for infosec? Recent graduate here about to start wagecucking as system engineer consultang with focus on cyber sec, are the salaries good when you become experienced in the field?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 13:37:29 2018 No.11924042 >>11919161 >london >making it chose one

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 13:52:36 2018 No.11924225 how the fuck is custmer support 25k????? show me , because i only found for 14k

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 15:34:36 2018 No.11925440

>>11919113
OP software dev in the UK is dead, its been dead for 10 years now. Unless you get into some niche startup. It's all offshored. Pajeets.

You need to specialise into pajeet un-friendly areas. They follow us whiteys. You've got 2-5 years in any niche before they catch up, saturate the market and fuck your salary.

>>11923325
This is what I'm talking about. You're safe anon. Welcome to my world. Salaries are good, even for graduates. Look for around £30-35K starting as a SOC Analyst. Second year £40-50K. Then go contracting, circa £60-70K is the norm. Few years of that under your belt you've made it anon congrats, either management or senior analyst, pen tester, threat analyst w.e.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 15:44:48 2018 No.11925550 File: 31 KB, 680x591, cheers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tfw pajeet fresh grad making 70k/yr in Michigan. Life's good.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 15:46:31 2018 No.11925560
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London streets are 50% pajeet now no wonder software is dead :) Even banking is dead brcause after taxes and cost of living in central ondon 100k will break u even

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 15:47:02 2018 No.11925567 START SELLING HEROIN

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 15:47:08 2018 No.11925568 >>11919161 make a shitcoin

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 15:51:20 2018 No.11925609 File: 115 KB, 750x548, dog.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11919113 >he fell for the coding meme I bet while you were in school you were making posts laughing at others saying they were going to be poor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 15:51:32 2018 No.11925613 >>11925440 What other niche would you say would be immune to pajeets in the next 5 years? Blockchain is on its way out and ML/DS has too many people at the moment.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:02:29 2018 No.11925739

>>11925613
Infosec orgs and roles contracted to military or defence or actual employment within. Specifically threat intel/analysis but not limited to. Offshore contractors don't happen, its too expensive and/or time wasting to run through background checks, and typically to be frank, you'll find a lot of current and ex mil have a disdain/skepticism about pajeets/middle easterns. This attitude is true outside of these circles, but they are cucked by HR and general civpop PC filters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:09:57 2018 No.11925816 >>11919734 >one of the official languages Do you have any chances in the german area if you speak english and french? How's Geneva/Lausanne for jobs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:11:30 2018 No.11925830 >>11925739 That makes sense. However, that only seems possible for native UK people. What alternative would a western european have?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:16:25 2018 No.11925887 >>11919376 no it literally is capitalism. they can get away with paying you that so they do >>11919379 hahahah try harder and get a real job m8

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:17:03 2018 No.11925898 File: 44 KB, 657x527, 1537891492807.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11919113 >€33000 post tax in poland >everything is cheap >€350 rent >no cultural enrichment >pretty, non-brainwashed girls comfy as fug

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:18:02 2018 No.11925909 >>11919775 big 4 audit can get you 70k+ in four years after graduating at 25/26 but the hours are nightmarish

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:18:30 2018 No.11925912 >>11925898 The country is full of monkey slavs

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:19:56 2018 No.11925928 >>11925912 I am one of them, get fucked

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:22:03 2018 No.11925951

>>11920143
Problem is not all code monkeys will rise to Manager levels as it needs usual extroversion (you can learn it / fake it but end of the day you will be dissatisfied if you are faking it all time) and more STEM hypes continue to create never-ending supply of code-monkeys. So your seniority/experience actually doesn’t matter unless you are specialised in a niche like CyberSecurity. In all “sustainable” professions you usually are more valuable with your experience. For example MDs. I refuse to learn all latest-greatest frameworks that my workplace dictates. OS intervals / multithreading / scalability — they used to be interesting but ceased to appeal my interest as Agile BS starts spreading like wild fire converting creative devs to assembly line workers. Coding used to be good when supply was limited and few people knew it. Just like everything else it got commoditised. It’s actually very good for managers / employers and VCs. More young blood to exploit and it’s all the more better as those coders doesn’t have unions / cannibalise each other / without any standardised governing body (have never seen lawyers denigrating each other outside courts; they respect each other and registered to bar council who can attest)

Software is a good career for 3-5 years. Make as much money and investments you can afford. But invest something on yourself to find a sustainable career whee you will not be so tired to afford a sue hustle. Actually Enterprise Consultant in SAP / SAS / Oracle Financials are good stable careers as they have higher switching cost.

. 14 years experience in tech. Master of Statistics. Fluent in C++/Python/Go. 7 years in startups. Worked in SV. Pivoted to Nutrition career as couldn’t tolerate Agile BS. Happier now. Code as a hobby / write blogs / Amazon dropshipping etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:27:20 2018 No.11926004 >>11925550 what did you major in and what’s your profession now? also what company are you working for?

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:34:20 2018 No.11926074

>>11925951

For a second there I thought you were Michael O. Church. Either way I really relate to what you wrote.

>Actually Enterprise Consultant in SAP / SAS / Oracle Financials are good stable careers as they have higher switching cost.

This seems too enterprisy and sleazy for me unfortunately.

>Pivoted to Nutrition career as couldn’t tolerate Agile BS. Happier now. Code as a hobby / write blogs / Amazon dropshipping etc

You're actually a nutrionist now?!

You must have made some serious FU money in SV, lucky bastard... What hope is there for someone that works in Yurop and is also considering a pivot?

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:41:58 2018 No.11926146

>>11920268
Only advise I can offer is — look into your interests to select a “qualititative” area (if you are ultra quantitative — I was like this — give it few months to develop an interest in one of those Qual area) having high demand / job-control and some degree of immunity to automation.

I have chosen Nutrition (going through accreditation) as a pivot.

If you want to stay within tech, CyberSecurity is really good but you always have to keep yourself updated about new threat vectors.

Good luck !

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:46:09 2018 No.11926199 >>11926074 I want to donate 30% of my wealth to Michael O. Church. Really based and redpilled.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:49:15 2018 No.11926237

>>11926074
Yes. Nutritionist now. I help people to manage their chronic condition and sometime mental health issues via detailed diagnostic testing (beyond what a GP usually prescribes), genomics testing (methylation), Nutrition and life coaching and stress management.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:50:02 2018 No.11926244 >>11919161 >imports millions of pajeets who work for a fraction >doesn't understand why programming salaries tank Diversity is your strength. Now dont say shit about it or you're a racist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:51:49 2018 No.11926257 >>11926199 He really is, he opened my eyes on the pervasive bullshit that's in the software industry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:52:17 2018 No.11926260 >>11925912 I honestly enjoyed visiting Poland more than the UK. Sure, London isnt the whole of the UK but you get the idea

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:53:02 2018 No.11926273 >>11919161 I know people who make $90-120k with software dev jobs but spend about 70% of that on their apartment.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 16:58:09 2018 No.11926329

>>11926146
Well, currently I only do boring run of the mill software development but I have a background on signal processing and machine learning. I actually studied computer engineering but I pivoted towards software at the very beginning due to the better professional prospects.

I'm really not sure if I should pivot once again to more hardware related stuff (which almost always leads to much less comfy jobs compared to mine currently) or if I should pivot towards getting a data scientist gig (where there's like 100 applicants per job posting around here). Fuck man...

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:02:13 2018 No.11926370

I got my first job in Manchester for 28k. I felt exploited and moved back to Ireland and make twice that much doing half the work.

I say this without hyperbole. The UK is the worst European country for development. Even Spain is better. Nearly all UK software businesses make shit niche products coded by pajeets. The outsourcing meme is very strong over there.

You can make much more money in Berlin, Dublin or Paris as well as having a better quality of life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:12:21 2018 No.11926480 File: 33 KB, 629x505, 1513948705887.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11926370 >Even Spain is better stop

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:13:50 2018 No.11926489 >>11926370 I know people in SW development in London making around 80k pounds a year. UK is one of the top tier places actually. If you want shit, check Romania or Portugal.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:15:11 2018 No.11926508

>>11926329
I was in your situation for a while. Down right depressed. Did lots of soul-searching and MBTI testing about what I naturally gravitate to beyond years of conditioning in Uni and workplaces.

- Make a short term plan
- Create a monetary cushion. You don’t actually need fuck you money. You just need to plan your finances well in advance
- Discover your qualitative side with help of a trained psychologist
- Select 2/3 that can be developed as career
- Network or informational interviews (
I did via LinkedIn) with people which aren’t in such a profession or made tradition like you are planning.
- Make long term plan and stay committed. Money helps but you don’t need to be FIREd to pursue these avenues.

Good luck. Wish you find satisfaction in your career soon.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:19:16 2018 No.11926542

>>11926489

The average dev isn't earning that though. The London dev business model is hire 50% devs with 0-2 years experience and never give them raises. Let the core part of the product be done by contractors while the in-house team scrambles to patch it together as glorified testers.

People eventually leave and get in a low wage trap unless they manage to upskill or get into an american firm.

Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:19:34 2018 No.11926545

London is entirely banking, accountancy and call centres. No other jobs exist or matter. In fact, that is most of Britain.

What a piece of shit country, we should nuke England into the ground if it weren’t for the cultural values of the surrounding nations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:20:29 2018 No.11926554 >>11926480 It's always a trade off. As a dev you have tonnes of options. I'd recommend Berlin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:26:18 2018 No.11926609 >>11926542 Yeah, I'm aware of the overreliance on contractors over there, including putting some of them in lead positions. Having that said, London seems a great place for being a SW dev contractor and making some good FU money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:29:08 2018 No.11926647 >>11919592 M8 some call centre jobs pay nuts money. Especially sales. I'm a manager in a sales call centre. We have agents with no GCSEs making £5000 a month.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:30:35 2018 No.11926668 File: 3 KB, 168x264, 1468396627231.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11919113 >live in US >entry level software dev; $40k >cyber security analyst; $75k

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 17:37:32 2018 No.11926745 get some low paid dev job where you are doing nothing and start focusing on your own projects. start on blackhatworld board

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:05:52 2018 No.11927083 What even is in demand in the UK? I swear you don't need anything like IT, Engineering or specialties, you don't even need businesses because they seem to close down so much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:10:44 2018 No.11927148 >>11926508 I do have a monetary cushion, I'll look into your other suggestions, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:24:28 2018 No.11927293 comparing salaries in England is a nightmare I made £33k a year out of uni in the NW, but my rent is £250 pm, and I doubt many in London can beat my take home pay. on another note, how do I make those sweet rapid salary gains? EE in nuclear here

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:29:32 2018 No.11927338 I make like 70K a year working part-time bar tending lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:30:52 2018 No.11927349 Welcome to the Big State It is a recipe for degeneration of society and economy. Who the fuck would care to get a tough CS degree and stay there?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:32:14 2018 No.11927367 >>11927293 You have to be in a field with a lot of jobs and with a lot of hype e.g. Software Development and/or in fields where jobhopping 2 in 2 years is acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:34:26 2018 No.11927397 >>11919185 >Haven't you ever considered immigrating to Silicon Valley if you're a good developer? You can't just 'immigrate'. The only realistic way is to be slave on a h1b visa.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:37:34 2018 No.11927424 >>11919918 Just got home, you still here OP?

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