>college is a meme

[Anonymous No.11780817]

Can someone explain why this is spouted constantly here. I have LITERALLY never met anyone who didn't go (or started their own business or married into it) and came close to making it, ever. In my upper middle class neighborhood there is one person who works as a plumber, he owns the business and is looked down on by everyone cause he's very trashy compared to everyone else.

Growing up it was the exact opposite, I don't think anyone went to a decent uni in the shithole I lived in. I'm sure this is a global thing, and the statistics back it up.

So why do 4chan virgin's say it's a waste of time and money?

[Anonymous No.11780862]

>>11780817
because no one in your neighbourhood has "made it". They probably have $100-300k jobs. That is not making it.

Making it, is $1 mill+ a year. And anyone who makes that much is 99% chance not wageslaving to do it. They run a business. And to run a business you don't need university. The only reason you might need a degree is because it'll be much easier to get your first business loan with one. But that's about it.

If you spend 10 hours a day studying something, then in 3 years you will become an "expert in that field" (10,000 hours). That means if you drop out at 16 and live as a NEET until your 19 while studying programming/cs every day instead of going to school, youll be more than equipped to start any venture you want and have very good odds of making it, while still having another 20 years of your young life ahead of you.

if your not a brainlet, uni is a meme. but if you dont have the drive to make it by yourself then you will 100% need uni to get a"good" job.

[Anonymous No.11780888]

>>11780817
>So why do 4chan virgin's say it's a waste of time and money?
They
A) Earned a degree and think the grass is greener
B) Heard it from someone else.
C) Are the same stupid, know-ot-all NEETs who don't understand stuff like not using a credit card being a bad idea
D) Earned a meme degree and had no real career plans.
E) Get rejected from jobs for some personal flaw, but aren't aware.
F) Got a meme degree with heavy debt

If you apply yourself and network, college can still be worth it. They'll tell you to start your own business after going to trade school, but for some reason degrees can only be valued based on what you get upon graduating if you've done no extracurricular activities.

[Anonymous No.11780919]

>>11780862
Right... so everyone on 4chan says it cause they expect to be earning 1mil+ a year from their business. So they're either on average more exceptional than 99.9 percent of people out absolutely delusional. Going by the huge amount of broke retards here I'm going with the second one.

[Anonymous No.11780943]

>>11780817
It’s all cope.
If you’re smart and go to a good school you’ll come out and get a job and you’ll become a boss/manager quickly. Or if you’re looking to get financial backing for a business people will help you/trust you more if you’re an alumnus of some prestigious school. Successful/rich people know this instinctively. 100k+ a year households pay for their kids’ SAT tutor, private school etc. Poorer people think “derp you can google shit or learn at the library”, it’s about image. And plus poorer people are usually just avoiding being involved and don’t give a shit they’re cheating their kids out of a future.
(In the US anyway)

If you’re a person who never washes out of anything, school is a joke to you. The only famous businessmen who quit school had wealthy families already and their business was taking off/they needed to act immediately or competition would steal their idea. Cost benefit analysis/risk assessment.

In university (if it’s like top 50-100ish) you’ll meet lots of people who are a triple threat: athletic, academic/hardworking, and good looking. They know what’s up. That whole wise neckbeard hacker shit is a meme. Pretty boy straight As is gonna get the job over Neckbeardzilla, doesnt matter if neckbeard is actually better at his job (usually isn’t, fat, undisciplined, unhygienic, so also bad at job too just arrogant etc)

If you go to community college there will be fewer of those people, but if community college only gets you a 2 dollar an hour raise, then yeah people will think it’s a waste. Which they’re not wrong in that case, CC is so you can get better at fundamentals and go to uni. Your associate’s from some school you need a pulse to get into will get you a retail manager job or an hourly help desk support/geek squad type job. And that’s what you see here people LARPing and doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.11780986]

a) did it wrong
b) can't do it at all and has changed their worldview to cope

College is good, and above all it proves that you have the discipline to work through something to completion. There is something to be taken from each course. Some will tell you (cope) that the same stuff could be learned on google, but college gives you a structure to follow rather than just clicking random article on wikipedia every day

[Anonymous No.11780994]

>>11780943
>Pretty boy straight As is gonna get the job over Neckbeardzilla, doesnt matter if neckbeard is actually better at his job

I certainly agree, but some sectors tend to divert from this.

If the work e.g. is done in the backoffice anyways and your existing team is comprised of nerdy people, putting an straight-A-surferboy straight from uni into this group can be a very, very bad idea.

- T. guy who is involved with finding specific staff for a big company

[Anonymous No.11781025]

the idea of going to college is learning specialized skills
the reality of it for 99% of people is learning to network to get your useless ass in a make-believe position
the idea of skipping college is building your business
the reality of it for 99% of people is failure to perform and/or no stomach for the nepotism of college
it's undoubtedly better to go to college if you have the mentality of a lemming
(which doesn't mean going to college makes you a lemming, and that shouldn't need to be specified, but all lemmings will make that logical fallacy so there you go)

[Anonymous No.11781037]

>>11781025
>and/or no stomach for the nepotism of college
yep and if you're going to be in business you better accept nepotism as a fact of life

[Anonymous No.11781046]

>>11780994
Sure. But again that’s the neckbeard types being jealous or trying to push their holier than thou nonsense on everyone. Anti-social, working against the group. Which is why there is prejudice in hiring that type. Lol I’ve seen it, it isnt the new guy starting stuff. But again certain professions attract certain “types”

I even saw once they made the young dude in charge of a group of neckbeards. Almost had a mutiny. Lol. Project did not go well.

[Anonymous No.11781047]

I am German and nepotism is actually done in the companies way more than it is in the universities.

Is this a thing in the US?

[Anonymous No.11781072]

>>11781046
>certain professions attract certain “types”
Yep, full agreement on this.

Still, sometimes you have what you have. And if you need to look for a nackbeard, you cannot employ a surferboy, regardless of the academic merits.

[Anonymous No.11781071]

>>11781047
If your parents or grandparents even, went to Harvard, that earns you points. If they donated 10s of thousands of dollars you’ll probably get in with slightly above average grades. (Private school). 100s of thousands of you’re a complete idiot (see American politicians)

[Anonymous No.11781132]

College is utter bullshit for about 90% of people who go. The stuff worth learning is packed with so much useless fluff and they make you consume it so those professors can justify their positions. The Average 4 year degree could be packed into a year but colleges are stuck in the stone age and are more concerned with brainwashing and scamming students than actually teaching worthwhile skills.

Teachers and professors are your fucking enemies, not your friends.

[Anonymous No.11781137]

Plummers are nasty

[Anonymous No.11781172]

>>11780943
T. Flyover fentville dweller who thinks real life is like an 80s high school movie

[Anonymous No.11781217]

>college is a meme
This is a millennial sentiment. It came about after the boomers told us all to go to college if we ever wanted to get anywhere in life. Unfortunately, this led to job market saturation. Everyone has a degree now. It doesn't make you stand out. "Go to college you don't wanna be flippin burgers" was the golden boomer meme until the economy tanked 10 years ago.

Early-Mid 2010s was a mix of a shit economy and forced affirmative action in STEM (one of the last uncucked areas of study) for the sake of quotas so a bunch of anons who were told to go into STEM majors ended up getting out and being unable to find a job.

Anon, I've come to believe that it is the self-driven individual who leads the way for success. They will find it, both at school and in business. Those who just do what they are told and expect everything to come together will do what they are told and expect everything to come together, both at school and in business.

Example: My sister graduated college in 2006. Her major has nothing to do with the job she has now, but she managed to get promoted a lot and fell into a nice executive-tier job for a small company.

My brother in law graduated around the same time. His degree is no longer offered by the school. He self-taught himself programming and found lucrative work in a niche market.

Both of them were self-driven and continued to build themselves up and out.

I wanted to go into the trades (mfg.) when I was young and everyone talked me out of it. I fell for "the college meme" and went into CS because I used to fix PCs. I hated that shit. I dropped out and then spent 5 years trying my hand at everything from being a cook to writing ad copy until I realized that I should have just pursued what I originally wanted to pursue, so I did. I've been working towards becoming a tool and die maker since 2016 and I love what I do.

Figure out what you want to do and then do it. Too many people do it the other way around..

[Anonymous No.11781231]

>>11780817

College is just too long and too expensive under our current system.

It frequently doesn't even give you real skills. Varies by major/degree of course.

That's why it's a meme: if you pick the wrong school/major you might be financially fucked over.

I'm much happier once I got my doctorate from a professional school.

[Anonymous No.11781251]

>>11781231

To expand on my prior post:

I wanted my education to definitely prepare me for a profession. Hence I'm glad I went to a professional school (not that I'm saying a professional school is always a smart move.)

[Anonymous No.11781263]

>>11781172
It is, for wealthy people. Who else had time to write that shit? All those John Hughes movies lets you know the struggle is real for the top 2% in Chicago.

[Anonymous No.11782064]

It's pure cope. Absolutely nothing else. If you pay attention you'll notice 4chan is mostly middle class (they'll have ask been pushed into it ( and complete losers (dropouts).

Seriously every time this thread comes up and someone posts the facts they just get ignored or mental gymnastics take place to a ridiculous level

[Anonymous No.11782123]

>>11781132
this.

[Anonymous No.11782142]

>>11781132
This poster is coping hard, all teachers and professors are Kindhearted Altruistic Good Protectors who Love the Pursuit if Knowledge. They will never lead you astray or let their ideology infect their instruction, ever.

[Anonymous No.11782165]

>>11780817
There's a reason why major tech companies don't require a college degree anymore anon, experience always trumps learning shit from an adjunct teacher getting paid 3k a semester that has no will to actually teach you something correctly

[Anonymous No.11782167]

>>11781037
nah, that's wagecuck cope. when you build your own business there's endless opportunities to bring real value to people
ofc angsty wagies will say that's nepotism too; but there's a wide difference between 1) 100 years old companies with young men in suits who do nothing productive kissing the ass of old men in suits who do nothing productive, and 2) independent guy who does a great job for a client and that client vouches for him and gets him his next client

[Anonymous No.11782200]

Boomer here so I have some perspective on this. All of the "college is a meme" people that I know are either making shit money, or making (relatively) decent money but their job is absolutely dogshit, like coal mining or working long hours in a factory.

Of all the people I grew up with who went to college, the only ones who are truly worse off for it are the ones that are so dumb they had no business going to college in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11782223]

>>11780817
College was much cheaper back then. You'll get scammed of all your money and will then have to vote for Bernie.

[Anonymous No.11782231]

>>11780817
I went to college and graduated in 4 years just like my boomer parents. Got a business degree. I then realized how bullshit everything was. How meaningless it all is. Your degree is a piece of paper like fiat. I have no debt from it, but just saying. Everything I learned was fucking chicks, doing drugs, and partying.

[Anonymous No.11782232]

i run a sucessful business in oil and gas and never went to uni. i was offered to mba at harvard and told them no, because whats the fucking point.

if you want to learn something ask a specialist and then check if they are full of shit. honestly the internet has all the answers if your not an autist.

the big point is, you have to work hard and smart. owning a business is 24h a day undertaking because it never stops.

my advice is enjoy the small things as the day to day grind is still 99% of real business.

never be satisfied.

[Anonymous No.11782233]

>>11782200
Thanks for the anecdote, we really want to hear about what else happened to YOU in YOUR boomer life. Eat shit

[Anonymous No.11782240]

>>11782223
>and will then have to vote for Bernie.
Fuck no. I will do literally anything to keep myself from becoming one of those potatoes.

[Anonymous No.11782257]

>>11782200
>factory
>decent money
Guess it depends on what your job title is at the factory, but regardless, quality of life can go down to a point where the money isn't worth it. Best to examine all your options before consigning yourself to a lifetime at a job you might hate

[Anonymous No.11782293]

1. Why do we work- what are we working towards? Humanity has no common goal.
2. Why pay taxes if no progress in 100 years on energy generation. 3000+ energy patents confiscated due to "national security".
People will start having their brains leaked out publicly once all this comes to light, how humanity has been stifled by profit driven madness instead of pure technological progression

[Anonymous No.11782303]

>>11782232
if you are a master autist you mean

[Anonymous No.11782345]

>>11781132
I only know STEM well, but professors are your friends if you actually talk to them and get them to help you. A big benefit of college is the opportunity to pursue your own interests and make connections with people in that field. If you just go to class then back home, you won't get much out of it. But if you actually meet with your professors, you can find opportunities which eventually lead to nice jobs.

[Anonymous No.11782665]

>>11782345
pretty much this. I wish I networked more during my school years but I was young a dumb.

[Anonymous No.11783072]

>>11782167
So, I work as a cashier and I meet a ton of people running their own businesses. It'd fucking kill me. These guys are doing 70-80 hour weeks, they live entirely for their job.

I spend eight hours a day basically shooting shit with people and making groceries beep.

Why is the point of capitalism to escape capitalism?

[Anonymous No.11783635]

>>11780817
>work job
>want the next level up job that pays 30% more
>”sorry, you need this degree or equivalent instruction to qualify for that”
>don’t have it
>there’s really nothing I can do? Was an excellent employee
>”nope these are the requirements”
>see people in their 40s and 50s plus still working at my level while zoomers with degrees get the higher paying job
>surprise surprise, they didn’t go to college
It’s not a fucking meme. This the reality of the working world. If you don’t go, it will always be held against you. Those who suggest otherwise are not working or are in some non professional field like the plumber you mention.

[Anonymous No.11783662]

>>11780817
It's really only worth going if you got rich parents who will pay for it, like mine.