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11579618 No.11579618 [Reply] [Original]

what wrong about putting 10-20% of your wealth into gold?

>> No.11579633

>>11579618
nothing. that's pretty smart at this point actually

>> No.11579882

Pro:
Your gold will be around same worth in 100 years.
Con:
Your gold will be around same worth in 100 years.

Am I wrong /biz/?

>> No.11579907

>>11579618
Seems like a bad move, how do you expect to get financially anal raped with gold? You gotta put it in Crypto my main man! All of them are going to zero tomorrow! We cna all enjoy a good buttfuck, isn't that why we're all here, to get analy raped by red dildos!

Buy the dip, then get fucked in the ass! That's the /biz/ way!

Open wide, cum inside, asshole full, prep the bull!

>> No.11580042

In 1955, an oz of gold was $35. The average home cost $8000. So a house basically cost 228oz of gold

Today the median home is $225,000 and gold is $1230 an oz, so a house costs 182oz

What does this mean?

>> No.11580131

>>11579618
Why not just put all your wealth under you mattress anon? Either way you will be losing out on financial growth

>> No.11580144

>>11580042
buy the dip

>> No.11580151

>>11579618
its a solid move OP dont listen to clueless zoomers ITT. might wana look into mining shares as well.

>> No.11580308

>>11579618
everything

>> No.11580310

Buying gold is for people who have already made it and want a store of value.

>> No.11580328

>>11579882
actually gold will be worth less in a100 years than now thanks to the exponentially increasing mining and decreasing monetary demand. also you pay out of your ass when buying and selling and you also pay taxes on the nominal appreciation even tho it lost purchasing power it's also expensive and risky to store.

pros: it's shiny

>> No.11580498

>>11579618
No, I don't even like the colour gold

Not investing in something that I would only value because others value it

>> No.11580528

>>11579618
best case scenario is 2x.. and its just 10% why even bother, buy btc

>> No.11580561

i fell for the gold meme.
stupid paper weight.

>> No.11580956

>>11579882
>>11579907
>>11579618
I think that it's a more stable investment than the Copper, Zinc, Steel, Nickel & paper that our countries are giving us to use now. So I would strongly encourage y'all to listen to Anon: >>11579882 (ID: h93/rPk9)

Also, how stable do you really think that Crypto could possibly be? It's 0's and fucking 1's on a God-Damn computer server!

> The real question is what's best;

>> Gold / Au (79)
(197)
>> Silver / Ag (47)
(107.9)
>> Platinum / Pt (78)
(195.1)

>> No.11580987

>>11580328
Pros: neckbeard cred
>w-what if muh apocalypse fiat collapse

>> No.11581262

>>11580328
You think prosperity will go on forever. Some big collapse of the global internet and all crypto is worthless. Yeah, the probability is low, and if there happens something like that, it will be a Black Swan. By buying gold you are hedging against these ods, and it's diversifying your investments.
At the end of the day everyone has to place his own bets.

>> No.11581278

>>11579618
Nothing. I'd say 5-10% though

>> No.11581298

>>11580498
>Not investing in something that I would only value because others value it

You just described the word value there brainlet.

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11581303

>>11579618
>10%
nothing wrong with that at all
>20%
you better know what you are doing because statistically that would be better invested in anything else.

>> No.11581332

>>11580328
you pay zero tax on gov issue BU

this is why eagles/brits/maples/phillamonics exist

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11581403

>>11580498
>Not investing in something that I would only value because others value it

>> No.11581408
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11581408

>>11580328
>hurr durr increasing mining

>> No.11581455

>>11581408
How do we know that?

>> No.11581497

>>11581455
it's bullshit pure and simple, so far they only increased the output and got shittons of underground reserves. i wouldn't expect produce to decline before 2039.

>> No.11581517

>>11580042
Inflation is a jews favorite game?

>> No.11581541

>>11580131
Its not about financial gain its about wealth protection. Imagine if you traded all your crypto at the peak for a roll of Canadian Gold Maples.

>> No.11581551

>>11581517
inflation is the grease in the great machine of economy more like. too much is as bad as too little.

>> No.11581558

>>11580328
>paying taxes on .999 fine bullion

What nigger tier country do you live in?

>> No.11581565

>>11581332
good for you around here you pay on everything and there is also vat on silver.

>> No.11581569

>>11580498
THE FUCKING ABSOLUTE STATE OF /BIZ/

>> No.11581574

>>11581558
you pay capital gains tax when you cash out.

>> No.11581611

>>11581574
>cashing out

Buying bullion and crypto is the real cash out. (((They))) know this and it scares them.

>> No.11581656

>>11581574

Is that cashing out on the Gold it's self or on a goldbond?

>> No.11581682

>>11581611

Who the fuck is "They"?

>> No.11581774

>>11581682
no need to worry about it goyim

>> No.11581788

>>11581574
not here I dont. in my cuck country gold sales are tax free after one year of holding.

>>11581497
its not bullshit. companies are spending increasing amounts of money to discover decreasing amounts of gold. most mining corps are operating at razor thin margins as it is and central banks all around the world are stockpiling gold like theres no more. supply is gonna increase and demand is only gonna increase when SHTF. inb4 muh asteroid mining muh shiny rock. if you dont have at least 10% in gold as a safeguard you are biz-tier brainlet

>> No.11582208

Some day I might try to hold a month or two's expenses in gold. Just as insurance. But no way as a percentage of portfolio.

>> No.11582241

It's overvalued

>> No.11582248

>>11579618
>>11579618

Silver is a consumable, has better percentages, and currently the markets are doing well. Gold and silver a shit when things are going well. Ao if u gonna do it do it now. Then when 2008 comes again and the price rockets sell. Then when out of the smwoods some years do it again.

Like fuckin clockwork. Just slow, gains tax, and little control over buy high sell low

>> No.11582267

>>11580042
>ron white


All the way to the scene of the crash!

>> No.11582273

>>11580131
T H I S


and cucked to hell with inflation

>> No.11582282

>>11580328
Watched codys lab.

Ima gold plate my bumpers.

How much would this cost me and what to put over it for protection?

>> No.11582283

>>11579618
Gold is something you invest in minimally when you already have a sizable passive income.

>> No.11582311

>>11579618
Bad ROI. The price of gold is also incredibly dependent on speculation. At the end of the day it's still just a shiny rock. Don't fall for the "store of value" meme. If you want security, buy treasury bonds. If you want to beat inflation, buy stocks. If you want a commodity, oil. Gold is pretty bad as an investment.

>> No.11582316

>>11580561
Gold plate random shit. Sell the random shit.

Profit?

>> No.11582325

>>11580042

More condos and other cheap units

>> No.11582332

>>11581569
KEK

>> No.11582339

>>11581682
LURK MOAR OR HORRIBLE BAIT.

EITHER WAY GET YOUR SHIT AND

GIIIIIIIIIIIT OUT

>> No.11582375

>>11582311
You fucking mongoloid nigger.

The dollar price of gold doesn't mean shit. I own a lot of gold and I pray gold goes back down to 300$/oz. because that means our govt isn't fucking out of control anymore.

You don't want the price of gold to go up like the price of a stock goes up.

The entire point of buying gold is because fiat is a scam and you want wealth and money for when the dollar implodes and then in theory 2 ounces of gold buys you a home after a deflationary collapse.

How dumb are you people that you can't figure out that if the dollar dissapeared from planet earth tomorrow that your wealth in gold is completely unaffected?

>> No.11582388

>>11582311
And to add. MONEY isn't supposed to give you an ROI you dumb faggot.

Money IS SAVINGS!!!!!

Even sub Saharan hiv infected niggers in Lesotho understand gold is savings and money

>> No.11582398

>>11582311
ALSO it is GOLD that gave value to the dollar! So why in the fuck would you be valuing gold in terms of Jew fiat dollars?

The logic on this board is ass fucking backwards

>> No.11582411

>>11581788
What country pls.

>> No.11582418

>>11582283
No it's not dumbass! It's something you put a lot of your net worth in when you have a sizeable net worth because we are 20 trillion in debt and you want to protect what you have for when the dollar collapses

You idiots don't even understand the entire point of buying gold.

If I had 10 million dollars I'd EASILY be exchanging 5 million in fiat for gold and silver.

>> No.11582425

>>11581788
there is craptons of gold on earth don't worry about asteroid mining!

>> No.11582437

>>11581788
>10% of my income rotting in the bank or under my house.

Top fucking cuck!

>10% of my income working for me 24/7. Forcing apreciation. etc...

My fuck i make a lot of money from bad investors

>> No.11582442

>>11582375
>The dollar price of gold doesn't mean shit.
it's the only thing that matters truly.

>> No.11582445

>>11580310
This is absolutely true but if you have say 100k in net worth.... in a currency crisis having even just 10 ounces of gold and 500 ounces of silver would be a kings ransom in a deflationary collapse of all asset prices.

You don't need that much gold and silver to make a killing when Shtf

>> No.11582452

>>11582398
Because no excepts gold as payment you blind jackal.

>> No.11582466

>>11582442
No it doesn't. Dollar price of gold means nothing... except when you are buying it.

If I buy gold at 1k per ounce and next year gold is at 2k per ounce... all that happened was the dollar got more worthless.

The entire point of buying gold is to protect your wealth in real savings because the dollar is a fraud.

Gold going up in price does not make me happy even tho I own 60 ounces

>> No.11582491

>>11582452
It's not about accepting gold as payment you fucking idiot it's about having a basis of value to measure prices.

Gold measures prices perfectly.... hence why it's been money for milennia. The dollar is the worst at measuring prices. 100 years ago 20$ was a good weekly salary. Today 20$ doesn't even buy you a large pizza at Rosatis.

A gold ounce equaled 20$ 100 years ago.... so a gold ounce equaled a good weekly salary 100 years ago. Had you held that gold ounce for 100 years until today and took it to a coin shop you would get $1,200 fiat for it which is STILL a good weekly salary

>> No.11582498

>>11582466
>Dollar price of gold means nothing...
it means exactly what is the purchasing power of your gold coins minus premium. everything is priced in us dollars or derivatives. gold is priced in us dollars. it's the only number that matters especially how it changes in relation to inflation. and gold has performed like shit that's for sure.

>> No.11582510

>>11582452
Under a gold standard there was no such term as "income inequality" because under a gold standard prices are low and stable.

Today after being off the gold standard for 40 years "income inequality" is literally a top 2 issue.

Your literally invested in shitcoins hoping to make it because it's impossible to make it anymore because we went off the gold standard and the central bank jews and govt are stealing all your wealth through inflation

>> No.11582519

>>11582491
>Gold measures prices perfectly...
since it's a speculative asset constantly in bubbles or dumps it sure as hell doesn't.

>> No.11582524

>>11582442
Holy fuck please dont reproduce.

>> No.11582527

>>11581682

Sorry, I forgot about the (((echo))) thing.

>> No.11582528

>>11582498
Gold isn't supposed to perform you dumbass. A gold ounce 900 years ago is still that same ounce of gold today.

Do you fucking understand in public school educated infected brain that gold does not get its value from the dollar existing? You fundamentally understand that right???

>> No.11582546

>>11582510
>because under a gold standard prices are low and stable
this is the greatest misunderstanding and outright lie even. prices fluctuated more wildly under gold standard and interest rates too. it was a nightmare this was one of the reasons why it was abandoned. the other was we actually want to use gold in the industry not hoard it in fucking bricks.

>> No.11582547

>>11582339
Shut up Shlomo.

>> No.11582550

>>11582519
The dollar price of gold changing just shows how volatile the dollar is you dumbass.

You can go read a bible passage from 2,500 years ago where a gold ounce bought you 350 loaves of bread.... and today.... if you take that same gold ounce from 2,500 years ago to a coin shop you'll get $1,200 for it....

And if you take that $1,200 to Safeway you can still buy roughly 350 loaves of bread with that $1.200

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>>11579618

>> No.11582560

>>11582528
>A gold ounce 900 years ago is still that same ounce of gold today.
nah it's worth a hell of a lot less today than back then. you get the illusion of it being worth the same if you measure with a basket that is produced a hundred times cheaper and more efficiently today than back than.

>> No.11582571

>>11582550
>The dollar price of gold changing just shows how volatile the dollar is you dumbass.
nope then everything else would change the price but consumer goods are more stable as a whole.

>> No.11582575

>>11582546
In 1964 min wage was $1.25. Gold was 35$/oz

So a min wage worker only had to work a week to be able to buy an ounce of gold.

Today min wage is like 9$/hour and gold is at $1,200.

So a min wage worker today has to work an ENTIRE month to purchase that same ounce of gold that a min wage worker could purchase after a week 55 years ago.

So a min wage worker under a gold standard was markedly better off than a min wage worker today.

>> No.11582587

>>11582491
>>11582510
None of this history matters to people who've purchased 100% of everything they've bought with dollars. You mongrel. Why would people who've purchased everything with dollars their entire lives not price gold in dollars as well?
Absolute nigger tier. Shameful.

>> No.11582609

>>11582560
You've just been brainwashed into the perpetual debt fiat system.... you don't understand that gold is savings and you also don't understand how important savings is.

You all just literally throw all your shit into an overinflated propped up stock market just like the Jew wants.

Nobody is saying don't invest in markets or shitcoins. But you motherfuckers only understand debt and you think that it's a good thing! And you don't understand savings

>> No.11582625

>>11579882
Can't say the same about the US Dollar

>> No.11582654

Nothing if you physically own it this is why bitcoin is good

>> No.11582658

>>11582575
in 34 the min wage was $0.25 and gold was $35 an ounce too 140 hours versus 133... hmm

>> No.11582676

>>11582587
Yeah which is why the country is failing. Fucking people with supposed high IQ's don't even understand that gold is real savings nor do they understand how important savings is.

You idiots just throw all your wealth in the stock market and expect it to go up forever.

If you can't understand that you should have at LEAST 25% of your net worth in gold given we are 21 trillion dollars in debt then the Jew who programmed you has been successful.

Hell it was ALWAYS sound advice to have 10% in gold even when debt wasn't out of control like it is now. Yet today you NEVER hear ANY money manager suggesting even just 2% in physical metals.

I bet if I went to 50 random so-called money managers. I'd bet at tops 1 person would suggest putting 5% in actual gold bullion.

You idiots don't understand that gold is the ULTIMATE MONEY manager. It's IMPOSSIBLE to lose owning gold

>> No.11582680

>>11582609
>you don't understand that gold is savings
i understand gold more than you do apparently. it's a not so rare element and a base industrial metal that is awfully overpriced by speculation and meme magic. plenty of more rare elements with serious industrial use are hundreds of times cheaper. so rarity does not account for golds price. you have been jewed.

>> No.11582691

>>11582658
Yeah but we were on a gold standard then. The dollar EQUALED gold. So you didn't need to keep any wealth in gold.

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11582695

>>11582676
>It's IMPOSSIBLE to lose owning gold
think it's time you are introduced to the idea of alternative cost

>> No.11582710

>>11582680
Fuckhead.... gold being rare is only ONE characteristic that money has to be. If all that gold had going for it was that it was rare... it would have never been money.

And yes it isn't that rare... it's rare but not too rare. If gold was too rare than it wouldn't have been money. The fact that it's rare but not too rare works in golds favor as why it has been money for milennia

>> No.11582714

>>11582691
i can only repeat myself you have been jewed by the goldnigger

>> No.11582723

>>11582710
>gold being rare is only ONE characteristic that money has to be
yeah but it's not rare is my point. it's also not convenient in the 21st century. compared to crypto it's fucking mud.

>> No.11582725

>>11582695
Money is weight and measure brainlet.

Paper backed by nothing is not money.

If you are brainwashed into accepting the dollar price of gold meaning something then yeah your going to think its losing value when comex fucks with the paper price of it.

>> No.11582734

>>11582710
>If gold was too rare than it wouldn't have been money
yeah cause you need big ass 1 oz coins like you can't have small ones that are more convenient to store and transport... no that's impossible. fucking retard!

>> No.11582745

>>11582725
the collar price of gold represents it's purchasing power in relation to other assets. it is literally the only important measure. especially when you compare asset classes.

>> No.11582754

>>11582723
Dude....nobody not even me is saying we are going to go back to fucking exchanging gold for cars and booZe.

The ISSUE is SKYROCKETING PRICES. Because the currency doesn't have a basis of value.

Your investing in shitcoins because you can't make it otherwise because inflation is ravaging our savings in fiat and you can't make it anymore!

You aren't investing in btc for convenience to make a stupid fucking purchase your invested in it because you can't beat inflation otherwise BECAUSE we aren't on a gold standard anymore

>> No.11582758

>>11582725
you are falling apart

>> No.11582779

>>11582754
>The ISSUE is SKYROCKETING PRICES
doesn't bother anyone i know. prices in my country grew by 30% since i started work and my salary grew by 400% my savings grow above inflation too. why would it bother me that bread used to be cheaper?

>> No.11582785

>>11582745
Yes.... for now......under this scam fiat paradigm.

I'm not buying gold because I want it to double in price and exchange it back for more fiat.

I'm buying gold so when the currency fails and we have a deflationary collapse there will have to be a basis of value at least in part after the fiat paradigm.

Gold gets revalued overnight to say 25k per ounce to purge all the debt from the system. Asset prices collapse and a median prices American home is now worth 50k and 2 ounce of gold which cost you 2500$ to obtain in the fiat paradigm are now able to buy you a home (converted to the new currency)

>> No.11582796

>>11582779
So you are essentially saying you want higher prices?

Good for you you got a job that puts your well ahead of inflation.... what about your average guy?

>> No.11582816

>>11582796
i want higher purchasing power of my income so long i have it i don't actually care about the exact numbers. i care about the ratios and growth. so far so good. in fact i have never been better.

>> No.11582825

>>11582418
Unless you build a solid gold anti-aircraft gun, you shouldn't get $5m of precious metals. You will absolutely get droned by anyone aware of it as soon as SHTF

>> No.11582831

>>11582785
>Gold gets revalued overnight to say 25k per ounce to purge all the debt from the system.
interesting daydreams you have. but in reality gold will drop first when deflation hits. cash is king in a crisis.

>> No.11582839

>>11582816
Yeah everyone wants higher purchasing power of their income! And that's exactly what they would have of a loaf of bread was 50% cheaper than it is now.

So you understand that prices going up is bad right? Because it gives people less purchasing power ....... you understand that right?

>> No.11582842

>>11582418
>You idiots don't even understand the entire point of buying gold.
or maybe there is no point to it... you are just repeating the same nonsense that goldmongers spout as they unload their bags.

>> No.11582844

>>11582825
Well you literally just made a better argument for owning gold than I have made in this entire thread.

>> No.11582862

>>11582831
So dumb. Gold never drops. Did gold all of a sudden become valuable when America was born and the dollar was created?

Gold is stored economic energy. Doesn't matter if the dollar dissapears from planet earth tomorrow... my wealth in gold is unaffected by the dollar disappearing

>> No.11582875

>>11582842
Of course there is a point! Gold is savings!

When you buy gold you actually aren't buying anything. All you are doing is transferring your wealth from a shit tier store of value that paper dollars are to actual real savings in money.

If you take 5k out of the bank and buy gold.... you are literally becoming your own bank.

>> No.11582877

>>11582839
you have to stop thinking in terms of numbers... think in terms of ratios. today most people can buy so much food from their monthly wage they couldn't eat in a fucking year. for $200 you can get a tonne of wheat.

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>>11582550

I don't see the price of gold going anywhere soon. I have full confidence within the population(s) of the Welfare State with every baby getting shoved out. The newer generations will insure the demand for Gold.

>> No.11582886

>>11579882
Look at the gold price over the last few years dude

>> No.11582893

>>11582831
If Jesus Christ gave you inside information that the dollar would be in hyperinflation starting 30 days from now....... would you transfer your dollar wealth into gold?

>> No.11582900

>>11582862
when the hurricanes hit the philippines did gold or bitcoin became the end all currency? nah it was the us dollar first and foremost but in barter booze and cigarettes and fuel was accepted too.

>> No.11582903

>>11582880
Again dollar price doesn't matter. Gold didn't all of a sudden become valuable when America was born and dollars started being issued right?

So why would you be valuing gold in terms of dollars?

This is just basic logic

>> No.11582907

>>11582893
no i would buy stocks mainly and some btc.

>> No.11582927

>>11582900
The dollar is literally in its last legs. The dollar had much more purchasing power 100 years ago compared to today. The dollar is only used in other countries where their currencies fail because its the reserve currency by force of our military. Which is literally the best reason of all to buy gold... that it's so worthless you need the military to get other countries to continue using it

>> No.11582934

>>11582907
Ok well then you are retarded if you had inside info that hyperinflation would be hitting and you wouldn't buy any gold. Literally retarded so it's no use continuing the convo

>> No.11582949

>>11582907
You'd buy stocks in preparation for hyperinflation so you can have more dollars of a failing currency that's going to zero.

Kind of like the trillion dollar Zimbabwe note

>> No.11582981

>>11582934
you can expect the least return on gold and it's really inconvenient. but i got a gold coin i would gladly sell any time at double price.

>> No.11583019

>>11582949
i have been in 2 hyperinflations my country experienced at least 5 i know of. you know what happens? nothing. nothing at all business as usual. it's not the end of the world people just spend money sooner and store their wealth in other assets. sometimes inflation gets so bad that money literally becomes a joke and a burden but even then foreign currency is preferred to gold. crypto is kinda like the foreign currency with no sovereign nation. it's also impossible to stop at borders.

>> No.11583030

>>11582903
I'm not.

I'm valuing it in terms of "Supply & Demand"

>> No.11583133

>>11582949
That accaully makes a lot of since.

>> My Grandfather kept a German Mark. Thinking that it would become rare in my time.

>> But today's price for a 1922 Mark is only at like £13-ish.

So it's just become something kinda cool to remember him by.

>> No.11583176

>>11580042

Difference is the property would have generated a fortune in rent / provided shelter for you - gold wouldn't.

I have about $40k in gold, as a hedge, and in case SHTF. 20% would seem far too much.

>> No.11583428

>>11583176
You aren't getting it. The currency wasn't on the verge of a crisis back then. Nobody is saying don't invest in homes or stocks....

But when you buy gold you are doing so for a different reason than when you buy homes or stocks.

Buying stocks is to increase your fiat in the current fiat paradigm. Buying gold is to protect the fiat you earned in real savings.

And with the world swimming in debt and currencies failing all over the world people who own gold will make out like bandits in a currency crisis as wealth is transferred from failing fiat to a real store of value and savings to continue moving. Forward and conducting business.

>> No.11583532

>>11583019
Imagine if people in Venezuela bought silver bullion beforw the Bolivar hyperinflated into useless toilet paper. There wouldnt be cannibalism and dumpster diving for food. 1 ounce in silver can feed you for 6 months in Communist Venezuela.

>> No.11583675

>>11583532
Bingo!!!

And the dollar price of 1 ounce of silver is 14$....... 14$ doesn't even buy you 7 tacos at Taco Bell..... but when fiat collapses the real purchasing power of silver is unleashed.

Which just proves how bad the Jews are absolutely fucking you woth fiat.

Remember anons.... a silver dime used to be a days wage. 14 silver dimes equals an ounce. So when fiat fails.... a mere 100 ounces of silver is literally 1,400 days wages historically. But it will actually be probably 2-5x as much at that because there's billions more people on the planet and much less silver available.

Your avg American creating no real value selling insurance makes maybe 150$ per day. That's the equivalent of 10 ounces of silver per day. Historically that's a fucking fortune without fiat fucking everything up.

When fiat fails....... as little as 500 ounces of silver will be a kings ransom

>> No.11583716

>>11583532
>>11583675
right and wrong. $14 usd buys you a month of food in vene land. Its not silver or gold its the USD. If all currencies fail so will Gold and Silver lol. Its like if BTC fails no other crypto has anything to jump into that is a stable store of value hence why they all fail.

>> No.11583725

>>11583532
venezuelans are not starving because they cant afford food but because there is no food

>> No.11584305

>>11579907
what do you mean their going to 0 tomorrow?

>> No.11584373

>>11580042
There are more houses now than 63 years ago, but the same amount of gold.

>> No.11584427

>>11583725
There's food if you have real money. Black market buying.

You think there's no food? Kek

>> No.11584673

>>11582547
Suck my flacid half inch dick...

>> No.11584878

>>11579618
I really want to make a collection of coins like that from around the world. And different time periods. I have an extensive coin collection. My one nerd pursuit. I have shit ton of silver coins from usa 46-64. Like 50 wheat pennies and a couple silver dollars , and two gold coins from turkey. I don't even want to sell them. I just like looking at them. But this coin. Has really grabbed my attention. German aesthetics 10/10.