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The cost of raising a child today is $233,610 – excluding the cost of college – for a middle-income family, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Is your most sure investment not having kids? One kid is the cost for a new house. By not having two kids I can literally retire 10 years early. Every single one of my older male coworkers are divorced. Some pay child support. They like their kids, but is it worth it nowadays? Pretty much if you want kids you have to get married, have kids, get divorced, and than get your kids on the weekends. I don't want to get divorced in fight for kids and spend a fortune raising them at the same time.

No kids a smart investment? What does Biz think?

>> No.11548495

if you are white, have kids

>> No.11548498

>he wont even pass on his genes, failing the only reason for his existence

>> No.11548510

Have kids or just kys.

>> No.11548517

>>11548495
I am white but I have zero attraction to white women.

I like Latina women the most.

>> No.11548524

>>11548475
>get your kids on the weekend
Over 30% of men don't even get that much. It's very common for men to not be allowed to see their children at all, yet they still have to pay child support.

>> No.11548531

>>11548475
The ROI on kids is very high. LIterally every literally organism, from the very first life on Earth up to you represents an unbroken chain of successful reproduction. And you're going to break it to retire a few years earlier?

Make your ancestors proud anon.

>> No.11548538

>>11548517
>i am white

sure

>> No.11548552

>>11548475
You could do nothing for an extra 10 years or you could have a family and watch your grandkids grow.

>> No.11548583

>>11548552
Actually I would experience the entire world if I had the money and energy to do so. I don't have the money right now though.

>> No.11548585

If you don't have kids your life is a failure.

>> No.11548596

>>11548475
Having children and transfer knowledge and wealth to them is the meaning of life, you like it ir not.

>> No.11548598

Having kids when you aren't rich is a meme. Unless you have millions don't listen to these cucks, they're just parroting what their owners told them and want your kids to be their slaves.

Never marry a woman for kids. Either convince them to do it without getting married or use a surrogate. Your wealth is better in the hands of your sons than an ex-wife.

It's worth having a son to inherit your success after you die, rather than having it squandered by females, relatives, and the state.

>> No.11548602

>>11548475
>U.S. Department of Agriculture
They need their budget cutting.
How are they not busy with agricultural matters?

>> No.11548605

>>11548475

If price inflation due to central bank issued fiat currency ponzi scheme shuts down your biological imperative of replicating your genes into the next generation, then the kikes have won.

>> No.11548606

>>11548475
I want kids but I know I can't afford them and the quality of women as child raisers has dropped so much I think it would be really hard to find a mother that didn't teach the kid femminist bullshit/transgender bullshit/etc.

>> No.11548613

>>11548475
If your primary concern in life amounts to numbers in a ledger, do not have kids. You will be a shit parent, and your progeny do not deserve a spot next to mine among posterity.

>> No.11548660

>>11548475

Divorce rate is more than 50% anon. You can do everything right and a woman can implode it and ruin your life, take the kids, preventing you from passing on any knowledge or ideals, and leave you a debt slave.

Do you really want to play Russian roulette and end up like >>11530681? Just because you're insecure of your own mortality like this idiot? >>11548498

Don't take this as me hating kids. Children are wonderful and can add a lot of direction and perspective, but the majority of women have colluded with the state to use them as pawns to extract resources from men.

>> No.11548683

Have 4 kids, fatherhood is comfy. It is a heavy yet rewarding responsibility.

>> No.11548707

>>11548475
ITT Cost of kids keeps rising. Bubble going to pop. Short kids.

>> No.11548733
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11548733

Children aren't even that expensive, it's (((women))) who will ruin you. Don't believe their lies, you don't need them.

>> No.11548758

>>11548531

Only people who think they are special snowflakes reproduce and have kids.

Population control has been overdue on this planet for 500 years.

>> No.11548760

Plain and simple kid.

>> No.11548774

>>11548475
>No kids a smart investment?
Obviously not. It was never a investment, it's a way to perpetuate yourself.

>> No.11548786

>>11548660
>but the majority of women have colluded with the state
Women don't even have the motiviation or agency to organize or collude. Women are retarded. Jews colluded with the state to ruin marriage and make it financial suicide for a man to get married.

>> No.11548791

>>11548660
Women are merely a reflect of the men that surround them.

>> No.11548796

>>11548758
>Population control has been overdue on this planet for 500 years

For muds.

>> No.11548806

>>11548758
>Only people who think they are special snowflakes reproduce and have kids.
It doesn't make any sense. No one feels unique for having children
>Population control has been overdue on this planet for 500 years.
For the untermenschen, yes. We need the best to reproduce.

>> No.11548819

>>11548475
Kids are unironically a bad personal investment. They're an OK investment in the far far future (i.e. society/country as a whole until we hit singularity or get a bit more overpopulated), but nothing you'll be alive for.

>> No.11548825

>>11548791
That's the most retarded cope shit I've ever heard in my life. When men kept his money in the event of a divorce, divorce was literally unheard of. As soon as women became able to steal men's money in a divorce, divorce skyrocketed. You can cope all you want by pretending that our women aren't empty sociopaths, and say that men are just like them, but men never kicked women out of their own families when they had the advantage in family court.

>> No.11548827

>>11548475
My hopes and dreams for the future, is to have a decent wife and a couple of kiss. + a nice house and being in a strong financial position where i can take my family on nice holidays and generally don't have to worry about money.

I suppose there are other people wanting something else out of life.. But for me, finances are secondary to making my own family.

>> No.11548838

>>11548517
el atrocidad

>> No.11548865

>>11548758
>Population control has been overdue on this planet for 500 years.
The only people whom are not gonna have children because of "overpopulation", are the exact people you want to pass on their genes.

>> No.11548886

>>11548475
>forcing another conscience to live a shitty life if you are poor

>> No.11548896

>>11548498
>only reason to live is to make more life
sounds like a ponzi scheme.

>> No.11548906

>>11548602

How does one project/extrapolate future farming output needs if one does not research population growth?

Thanks for being 12.

>> No.11548916

>>11548498
>>11548531
and Africa is full of winners

>> No.11548917

>>11548825
>As soon as women became able to steal men's money in a divorce,
And why are they able to steal the money? I mean, I don't think any man from 3 centuries ago would passively accept it..

The vast majority of men are spineless cowards afraid of speaking agains't injustice, and then they complain about injustice.
Males are beings of action in almost all mammal species, if a male refuse to take action he don't deserve justice

>> No.11548927

>>11548827
> But for me, finances are secondary to making my own family.
Without a huge patrimony you'll only cause suffering to your own family. In the next decades only the very rich would be able to live like actual human beings

>> No.11548934

>>11548896
This is how the universe has built the system.

The point of live is to keep on living until we are smart enough to solve the universe's problems, to keep it from exploding or imploding at the end.

>> No.11548944

>>11548916
In a certain way...
There's no sacred soil to a forgotten corpse

>> No.11548945

>>11548917
It's not that they're cowards. It's that they're fucking idiots who don't lawyer up properly. You should have a good lawyer you trust advising you prior to entering into any contract.

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>>11548475
only if you can plan on your child bringing a return greater than $233,610

>> No.11548960

>>11548945
Lawyers are devil's pawns. If you're catholic(or really, any other religion) you can always marry in the Church and be done with it. There's no need to get a acceptance from the jewish government.

>> No.11548981

>>11548552
video games will be so advanced in 60 years that I doubt any grandkid will be more fun
also use roids, there is no downside because you are almost dead anyway

>> No.11548990

>>11548517
dios mio...

>> No.11549000

>>11548786

>Women don't even have the motivation or agency to organize or collude

Underestimating a woman's capacity to premeditate malicious behavior is a dangerous mistake

jews/the government/marxists/whatever load the gun, but women pull the trigger

>> No.11549031

>>11548475
Do what you want, OP. Darwin will sort it all out later.

>> No.11549044

>>11548531
redpilled and based

>> No.11549057

>>11548475
I fucking hate kids. They should bring back the policy that Sparta had
>t.vasectomy at 30

>> No.11549065

>>11548583
I think you answered your own question.

>> No.11549066

>>11548475

2 things.

You don't have to marry to have a kid, or kids.

The big determining factor on all this is the quality of the woman. Great woman, great experience. Terrible woman, terrible experience.

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11549105

>tfw my grandma has Alzheimer's and I'm the oldest grandchild and she doesn't ask me, but all she asks my dad when she talks to him is whether or not I got married or not over and over

>> No.11549115

I want kids but all i have is prostitutes at hand u know wymen wanna money more than family so i cant fuck them

>> No.11549156

>>11548944
you will die and your conscience will not transfer to your offspring, so whatever

>> No.11549353

>>11548896
Never thought about it like that but that's exactly what life is.

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11549391

>>11548475
We are roaching the planet at full speed. Why would you want to bring in another generation to live with the consequences?
It's just inhumane.

>> No.11549410

ITT: roasties complaining about OP not wanting kids.
kids are disgusting, vile creatures who devour your money.

>> No.11549463

>>11549105
;-;

>> No.11549481

>>11548475
damn that much?
how did my parents raise me and my 6 other siblings on just a taxi drivers income

>> No.11549496

>only 233k
That sounds absurdly low to raise a child for two decades.

>> No.11549533

>>11549410
>disgusting, vile creatures who devour your money
most women are like that too
why can't women be more psychologically developed?
nagging, crying, begging, annoying little slags
and even plenty of "men" are bitches

>> No.11549563

>>11548605
The kikes have indeed won. Millenials arent having any kids due to inflated prices.

>> No.11549618

>>11548475
You answered your own question pretty thoroughly anon. There are too many humans already which is why the cost of raising a child is skyrocketing. Your time on this earth is short and 500 years from now nobody will ever remember you existed no matter how many kids you have. Do what you want. People who think procreating is the whole meaning for existence are no different than rodents or cockroaches. It's 3rd world mentality.

>> No.11549621

>>11548517
dios mio

>> No.11549642

>>11548598
Based

>> No.11549690

>>11548916
Africa was supposed to sort itself out. But then they started getting handouts by (((westerners))). Now they live in a shithole, but mother nature can't do her thing when they are barely hanging on to life with gibbs. Now you know why africa has a population problem. Granted, their life expectancy isn't very high.

>> No.11549722

>>11548475
Worth it. They're cheaper than hiring prostitutes for 18 years, and they're a lot tighter too.

>> No.11549796

>>11549156
The genes will live on, and genes are all you're

>> No.11549807

>>11549618
Wow anon, I used to strongly feel the way you do but then I realised I can't be that cold anymore.

>> No.11549827

>>11549618
>People who think procreating is the whole meaning for existence are no different than rodents or cockroaches. It's 3rd world mentality.
But it is. If it was different, then no humans would exist.
You're not smart for wanting to extinguish your bloodline.

>> No.11549833

>>11549796
>and genes are all you're
Identical twins say the otherwise

>> No.11549839

>>11548475
Kids are the only reaspn

>> No.11549844

>>11549833
That's because identical twins aren't identical.

>> No.11549860

Unless he is seriously deformed/unhealthy/unlucky, I unironically have zero respect for any 35+ year old man that doesn't have children

>> No.11549927

>>11549391
Why are you even here, leftcuck?

>> No.11549930

>>11549807
What's cold about it? There's nothing inherently good (or bad) about having children. My point is that people who think life is meaningless without children probably think that because they have boring/shitty lives. Why do you think wealthy successful people tend to have few children while poor people have tons?

>> No.11549942

>>11549844
they literally have the same genes

>> No.11550011

>>11548475
Kids are an investment without return, usually, if you look at it through a pure analyst's eye

>> No.11550012

>>11549827
My sister has a son. But even if she didn't, I'm not so self centered that I think the human race needs my DNA to continue on. That may have been true thousands of years ago but at this point there are so many humans it won't make a difference one way or another. You could have 20 kids and then a war or plague breaks out and your precious bloodine is gone in a week anyway. TLDR you and your genetics aren't special

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11550021

Look around you what is every living thing doing? Plants, insects, monkeys, etc... reproducing. If you are doing anything else than you are a parasite on the system of life.

>> No.11550028

>>11548475
I dont want kids to tie me down. I like being able to travel as I want and do as I please. Dont want to deal with them either. No thanks.

>> No.11550049

>>11549860
Why though? Do you have tons of respect for black guys that have 8 kids by 6 different women or the poor Mexican family living on social services and sleeping 10 family members in a one bedroom apartment? Having tons of kids is easy all you have to do is not pull out.

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>>11548517
>Literally 6'2 blonde white guy making 6 figures
>Only attracted to morbidly obese Mexican girls

I feel you, man.

>> No.11550062

>>11550021
Parasites reproduce like crazy

>> No.11550064

>>11550021
The earth is way overcrowded and has limited resources. Arnt the people reproducing the real parasites? Tbh the earth would be much better off without humans.

>> No.11550080

>>11548475
retard, it's actually only

Food:
12x$200= $2,400
Clothes + shoes= $150
Misc =$100
$2650 x 18 = $39,000

>giving your kids anything
>2000 + 18

>> No.11550307

>>11549927
to get rich quick without working for it.

>> No.11550767

>>11550012
Wanting your bloodline to extinguish. Whats the difference between anti natalist and cucks?

>> No.11550791

>>11548517
ay carumba

>> No.11550802

>>11548495
if you pay for them maybe but probably not even then.
>Kids worth it?
depends if you want money then obviously not, if you want kids then maybe... but that's just being stupid.

>> No.11550994

>>11548819
Have fun dying alone in a nursing home with no visitors ever.

>> No.11551043

>>11548517
>>11550058
Modern society's mental illness only grows each day.

>> No.11551053

>>11550994
You really think everyone goes to visit the old folks? A common complaint is they don't.
Have fun doing alone in a nursing home with no visitors ever.

>> No.11551059

>>11548517
technically latinas are a type of white....

>> No.11551078

>>11551059
As are goblins.

>> No.11551096

>>11548517

Go to Barcelona.

Plenty good women there who hate communists.

>> No.11551176

Kids will never make financial sense.

But if someone is so autistic that everything has to always be financially prudent then it's probably best they don't have kids.

Natural selection has a fantastic track spanning millions of species across thousands of years. If one thinks they shouldn't have kids, nature just pruned that branch from the genetic blockchain increasing the odds of survival of the human race.

>> No.11551245

>>11551176
That must mean that those people in Africa and India are genetically superior.

>> No.11551328

>>11551245
Time will be the judge of that.
Will your superior genes live on?

>> No.11551334

>not wanting kids
>not wanting to produce anything that outlives you
>wanting to "experience" the world, travel and have money to spend
Might as well be a woman

>> No.11551345

>>11551245
If they reproduce at a greater rate then from a biological standpoint they are. Drop "human rights" and let the white race fuckin loose on the whole population of the earth and then see who's genetically superior.

>> No.11551367

>>11551334
my self interests cease the moment I die, why should I care what the world will look like?

>> No.11551381

>>11551245
not being able to control your sexual urges is a natural advantage if you ask these pseuds

>> No.11551409

>>11549860
>I unironically have zero respect for any 35+ year old man that doesn't have children

You unironically have no respect for some of the greatest men in history, such as Nikola Tesla, Sir Isaac Newton, Jesus Christ

>> No.11551430

>>11551176
Yeah make room for the r selection faggots.

>> No.11551444

>>11548517
El Ogre de los Amerianos...

>> No.11551475

>>11548475
Enjoy dying alone, like.

>> No.11551506

>>11549391
>>11549927
What does left or right have to do with us roaching the planet? Why does everything have to be aligned to one a side of the American dual party political system. You sound like a cultist and an echobox moron.

Anon is right too. We are roaching the planet. Normally, nature has natural species population control. Too many deer, deer eat all the forage, population dwindles. Too many cougar, cougar hunt all the prey, population dwindles. Homeostasis. For humans, this doesn't exist. We are using natural resources, etc. at a pace vastly greater than the rate at which they are regenerating. We live in a closed loop, you dipshit. Use your brain for one instead of just screaming, "Orange man good! Shillery bad! White good! Black bad!" on 100% of all subjects discussed. You need to thinkcritically sometimes, instead of just painting everything as /pol/, Anon.

>> No.11551529

i have a 7 year old and a 5 year old. i pass up on 6 figure jobs so i can go fishing with them, camping, hikes, etc. i need my weekends.

so, yeah i want like 100 kids.

>> No.11551544

>>11551506
>Homeostasis. For humans, this doesn't exist. We are using natural resources, etc. at a pace vastly greater than the rate at which they are regenerating.

The left/right dichotomy is important here because conservatives see moral dimensions communists do not. In this case, different groups of people have different genetic problem solving capabilities, environmental conscientiousness, and reproductive behaviors.

If you just think "durr, every human is equal" you will be unable to conceive of or implement any reasonable solutions. And the ones you do try will seem to fail for inexplicable reasons.

>> No.11551555

>>11550080
What about increased cost of utilities due to having an extra person in the house?

>> No.11551615

>>11548475
Look anon, have kids if you really want them. if not then don't.

I know many men who have kids that deeply regret it

>> No.11551619

Yeah having kids costs shit loads more now than it did for us (b.1983). Could get all long winded but I think the gist has to do with inflation; shit costs more now but salary sure ain't gone up. Health insurance sucks. Kids want all sorts of shit now that cost a fuckton. Doctor bills sky high, college costs a fuckton,even basic school shit ain't cheap. Then if/when you get a divorce you got lawyer bills, child support payments, and half your shit gets taken. Fucking cheaper just to not have any and make a will spelling out who gets what when you kick.

>> No.11551643

>>11551619
Thank god me and my wife both agreed to not have any kids before we married.

>> No.11551679

I like my games as I like my life on hard mode, about to have my first kid.

>> No.11551850

>>11548517
La luz extinguido

>> No.11551920

You know what I fucking hate?

When they're like

"come on anon, its different when its your own kid"

Get the fuck out of here with that. Its a trap, they want you to suffer like they are!

>> No.11552259

Im rich.
Im self made.
Ive got time to do whatever I want
I see absolutely no reason for me to ever tie myself down and have kids. And if I did, I would hire multiple full time nannies so I could still travel and do whatever I please. And that wouldnt be fair to my kids.

>>11551920
>Its a trap, they want you to suffer like they are!
Agreed.

>> No.11552598

I have two kids (toddler and newborn), but then again... I live in a Western European country where healthcare is free and education is heavily subsidised. We both have good jobs, a decent sized capital saved up and rich boomer parents while both being only child.

Luckily I have hobbies that I can easily practice with having kids (running, guitar, gaming), but if you want to travel a lot or be out a lot... don't have kids until you're fully ready to settle down.

Sure, the first baby year can be brutal sleepwise, but that's a small price to pay. I'm thoroughly enjoying the time I spend with my toddler. I'm not worried financially in the slightest... but I am worried about all the Achmeds that want to gobble up our wellfare in the future. Willing to move if that ever happens.

>> No.11553484

>>11548475
People make the mistake of assuming their kids will grow up in the same era they did and refuse to admit things may have changed. So long as you can avoid this you should be alright.

>> No.11553506

>>11548475
If you don't like kids don't make them. It's that easy but a lot of beta's don't have the gut to tell that to their gf. Then they get the kid and are bitching about it.

I have a kid, I knew what I get into. And all the money and hassle it's worth for me. Love it

>> No.11553508

>>11548517
Same here, my gf is asian.
after spending some time in eastern euro and southern euro countries I realize there are nice white girls just not in the west. But since I already have the perfect asian gf it is too late.

>> No.11553533

>>11548917
>The vast majority of men are spineless cowards afraid of speaking agains't injustice, and then they complain about injustice.
This is true. The only reason women are able to do anything at all is because at some point in time the men have let them

>> No.11554372

>>11548758
the only people who think they're special are dunning-kruger retards like you who believe they're enlightened for forgoing their biological purpose. what are you going to do with your life, travel meme, hedonism? even writing a book, making some great work of art or coming up with a technological improvement is just mistaking the forest for the trees: these constructs are built around our nature, they're not meant to replace it; and you can absolutely do both at once
claiming population control in a vacuum is another idiotic stance from people who can't into data: first-world countries are stable population-wise, increases in population come from globalists intent on importing the third-world to keep their ponzi schemes going and turn society into obedient slaves. said third-world isn't going to stop fucking because your white ass falls for propaganda designed to target you

>> No.11554398

>>11551506
There's no "we", whites are at replacement level while blacks breed like rabbits. Your implicit denial of that puts you in the antiscience group, which on this topic is correlated with the american left, and you're on an anglo website mostly populated by americans, so there you go. Hope that answers your question

>> No.11554400

>>11548517
el chupacabra...

>> No.11554450

>>11553508
Eastern euro bitches are shallow and near retarded. Plus they have those dead eyes.

>> No.11554455

>>11548475
haha no, a person who is white will make 3~7 mil during life time easy.

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>>11548786
You're wrong, women have secret motives to Jew off men & other women. However they are unable to think long-term and in the end, get fucked over.

Women are basically crypto-Jews but less intelligent.

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>>11549105

>> No.11554530

>>11548598
This is vest advice
These faggots in here telling you otherwise are just bitter divorcees that never even see their kids