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i fell for the programming meme. 3 years experience. every company tells me they're looking for someone "senior level" , 5-10 years. i work at walmart now. kill me

>> No.11253813

just apply anyway, lots of the experience requirements are just shit tests

>> No.11253824

>>11253781
I feel you. If you're an NPC with no aptitude for anything else, Walmart is fine. Otherwise it's demoralizing as fuck.

>> No.11253835

>>11253781
start your own side business, program shit on the side, use as that as experience to meet application requirement

>> No.11253837

What do computer programmers actually do at work? Is it like the matlab class I took? We had projects where we had to give the correct material name given a set of desired propertoes, for example. Do you do stuff like that at work?

>> No.11253860

>>11253837
depends on the place. sometimes they give you a project and you make the entire thing yourself and then it makes the company millions of dollars and you get a nickel in return. other places you get pieces and segments. other places you're fixing bugs of existing code.

>>11253835
I'm not even going to bother applying anywhere if I have to spend the next year pushing out applications, I'm going to become self employed. Maybe it's just a blessing in disguise but holy fuck I want to kill myself rn I'm living with mommy and daddy like a man child.

>> No.11253866

make apps part-time from home for two years?

>> No.11253875

So lie and say you have 6 years?

>> No.11254244

hold me bros

>> No.11254252

>>11253781
what country?
globally the supply of programmers is starting to outweigh the demand. In some locations that's not yet visible but will be.

>> No.11254260

So glad I got my first Dev job.
So lucky.
Fucking hate every new developer because they're shitting up the place asking for jobs. Fuck off we're full.

>> No.11254282

>>11254260
Dude literally everyone on 4chan wants to be a developer. I've been doing this since 2008 working bullshit jobs. Now Bill Gates and Zuckerberg are pushing for schools to teach more Comp Sci so they can crash the value of labor. That's why they shill the programming meme so hard here. More labor = less demand = less pay

>>11254252
USA. thinking about moving. I've heard there's a big shortage in some smaller Euro countries.

>> No.11254297

>>11253837
Where I work at, I have to do design, development, bug fixing, and QA. Most of the time, I have to work under many constraints. The new features that I implement will have to work with the existing buggy, poorly optimized codebase running on a unreliable 3rd-party platform with lots of bugs and quirks. There are occasional meetings to discuss progress, issues, and showcase my work.

>> No.11254305

>>11253860
>sometimes they give you a project and you make the entire thing yourself and then it makes the company millions of dollars and you get a nickel in return
Why not steal the project, claim it as our own, publish it first and let the company with nothing?

>> No.11254308

>>11254282
there's a shortage if you're willing to accept €25k net/year.
In Germany €40k gross /year-:> ~€28k net/year, in some countries the ratio is slightly better or worse.
As a rule of thumb, in EU a net pay of X costs the employer 2x, so low pay is not a surprise.

>> No.11254312

>>11253781
Seriously? I just left my old job and have 3 years of programming experience. Moved from CA to Washington State for a mid-level position anda making $120k now

>> No.11254320

>>11254312
Let me guess you live in Seattle

>> No.11254334

>>11254320
Seattle is too expensive. I live in Redmond where it's nicer/cleaner and a bit cheaper, and the office I work at is in Bellevue

>> No.11254361

>>11254305
Often depends on other systems/components or client specific data, etc. Not necessarily something you can just rip off and sell to normies on the the Google Play store.

>> No.11254366

trying to become a wastewater plant operator, but only one fucking interview. for an entry level job, and i already know the infrastructure. i already work in env consulting and know their treatment processes and the regulations, i just dont have experience making repairs (infrequent).

like the first question the faggot interviewer asked me? "so you dont like consulting much or something?" fuck you, i just want to sample wastewater, write reports, monitor the reactor bed.

>> No.11254374

>>11253781
Is it really that bad? I thought there was huge demand for developers in Silicon Valley.
I kick myself every other day for becoming a pharmacist instead of going into software development. The money is great but I've always been interested in tech.

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>>11254374
there is no demand when they import all of their workforce from India

and if you had the slightest bit of observational skills you would notice how hard programming is pushed on here and social media so they can get more labor and lower wages even further - as I already stated in this thread further up

>> No.11255256

bump

>> No.11255413

>>11254398

(Not responding)

>> No.11255446

>>11254398

Fucking pajeets seriously. The worst of the worst.

They just fucking breed and do anything for scraps of money.

>> No.11255568

>>11254374
Depends on the tech. Anything AI related and software engineering is doing pretty good. OP probably fell for the web dev meme and is surprised he can't get a decent junior level position with just HTML, CSS, and Javascript

>> No.11255574

>>11253875
This. The entire market is literally "fake it till you make it".

>> No.11255683

>>11253781
go work on a shitcoin team

>> No.11256327
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11256327

so should I quit learning to code?
I just started.

>> No.11256785

>>11255568
>web dev meme
Does this apply to back end devs too?

>> No.11256794

>>11254282
Luckily most people are not smart enough to be competent programmers, so there is no real threat if you know your shit.

>> No.11256833

what should i choose: finance or software development? it looks like both fields are dying. computer guys are being replaced by normies and pajeets, financiers are being replaced by robots. dark times

>> No.11257135

>>11253781
Fuck anon that sucks. Your degree was computer science or computer engineering? See if you could work in similar fields related to what you studied (computer engineering, finance, etc).

>> No.11257167

>>11253781
I don't really want a job in programming, I just want to be able to make my computer do shit like scrape the web and gather up that info into a chart or something, automate my tasks, hack into my neighbors wifi and pc then steal his wife's nudes. Simple fun stuff

>> No.11257191

>>11253781
make your own project

>> No.11257302

>>11253781
They just say that for an excuse to not hire expensive labour and to import cheap Indian labour.

>> No.11257344

>>11253866
No money in apps.

>> No.11257429

>>11253781
Let me guess. You are shite. You never worked on hobby projects outside uni. You don't have a specialisation in any area of programming. You don't have a passion for it or any cool ideas to for projects to make. A Pajeet could get to your level from studying online courses for 3 months. Pathetic. Go be a npc wage slave in one of the npc wage cuck industries. That is where you belong. Enjoy your life. I will be getting rich from programming while you want to end yourself.

>> No.11257464

>>11257429

Yep. If you can't get a job in this market as a programmer with 3 years experience you are not very good.

>> No.11257493

>>11256327
Your pic should have made it obvious

>> No.11257513

>tfw 33 year old khv
>make little money
>thinking of going into programming (know the syntax of a couple of languages, basics of algorithms, but never worked on any projects)
s-should i try it?

>> No.11257562

>>11253781
Who cares, just laugh at them and call them losers. They will be obsolete in a few years.

>> No.11257579

>>11257513
Jesus christ non programmers are retarded when they talk about programming. Yes ofcourse you should go into it. It's life with cheat codes enabled. Get a decent fundementals of programming course on udemy/pluralsight/codecademy. Finish that course. Find another course. Finish that one. Then make a hobby project in the framework you want to find a job in. Then get a job in that framework and live the rest of your life as a programmer god looking down on npc mortals.

>> No.11257595

>>11257579
Programmers will be obsolete by the time he learns. Also it's a shit pay job. Let some smelly ass indians do it. Any job that demands 5 years experience is not worth your time anyway. Bunch of assholes.

>> No.11257635

>>11257595
Explain to me how programming will be obsolete any time soon mr futurist. All programming jobs say 5 years experience. They just want to filter out plebs. I know people who one these contracts at 18-19 years of age. Show you are good with whatever framework etc they work in and they will hire you. Doesn't take long to get really good at your programming niche. Just have to make sure you have one.

>> No.11257636

>>11254398
All I'm reading are excuses. I bet you were one of those IT majors that spent a majority of their free time (and maybe even class time) playing Minecraft and Team Fortress. You should've been working on your own projects to gain marketable experience.
Pajeets are mucking up a bunch of different fields. But there will always be demand for competent, highly-skilled native workers.

>> No.11257661

>>11256327
Learn to code but realize unless you are taking directed classes most companies don't care. also being able to write for loops does not make you a programmer. There is a lot of theory and organization behind it you won't get by just doing work on your own without help.

>> No.11257664

>>11253781
I did about 20 different maths subjects in Uni, and 1 programming subject. Now I do make neural networks that detect fraud for a giant company.

Programming degrees are a meme. The best technical education is something interesting + a smidge of programming.

>> No.11257689

>>11257664
I wish i did more math at uni. Learning machine learning has been hard as fuck for me because i never recieved much of a math education.

>> No.11257703

>>11254366
How's enviro consulting? Class B wastewater operator here.

>> No.11257720

>>11257689
Programming takes no math skills. Just elementary addition and subtraction.

>> No.11257744

>>11257720
I'm talking about machine learning not programming. I have a programming degree. Machine learning is all maths.

>> No.11257767

>>11257744
There's no such thing as a programming degree LMAO. You got scammed.

>> No.11257775

>>11257767
Comp sci degree. Whatever brah

>> No.11257794

>>11257767
You still haven't explained how programming will become obselete soon.

>> No.11257797

>>11257689
why do you study it? is it for work?

Which one of these would you say is the better background to learn machine learning?
- only cs, no math
- only math, no cs?

>> No.11257816

>>11257794
Because dude technology ruins everything. There will be computers to program computers soon. And the only people who get to program programming computers will be those with experience.

>> No.11257832

>>11253781
Stop larping being a coder. Did you join groups, opensource projects and stuff? Did you put something on some appstore?
Being a coder is a lifestyle. Stop seing it as a job. Jobs are at walmart, you are at the right place.
I just read my 10th book about IT tech this year and another 2 to go. And I don't consider this "work", this is why they pay me 80k a year plus goldbars for meeting easy targets.

>> No.11257863

>>11254398
I don't see how that guy is smiling, it has to smell fucking terrible in there.

>> No.11257880
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>>11256327

>> No.11257887

>>11257703
I really wanna get out but I'm not gonna fuckin tell my potential new boss that. No way I'm advancing at current company

>> No.11257914

>>11257880
i fuckin LOVE programming

>> No.11257947

>>11257797
If i had to choose for ml it would probably only math, no cs. But you definitely learn both. The 'programming' you do in the ml frameworks like tensorflow and pytorch is much easier to learn compared to the math required to work as a ml researcher.

>> No.11257975

>>11257880
i'm >>11257513 and i can answer those questions.
but i can't do much else tbqh, like make my own program that does something. or even easily interpret someone else's code (even if it's short)

can i get a well paying job with what i have?

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11257976

Lads, I just graduated high school this year and was planning on doing programming. I don't know what to do. I don't want to be a wage slave. Please anons, help someone who hasn't even starter anything yet.

>> No.11257979

>>11257947
Should definitely learn both*

Any programmer hoping to achieve greatness should learn great math skills regardless of whether they are going into ml. So many other areas of programming such as games can utilize good math knowledge

>> No.11257995

>>11257880
>This is a candidate who had 8 years total experience

I don't understand
I DON'T UNDERSTAND
How does this happen? Did the guy completely lie about his experience? How do you work for 8 years and completely fuck up like this?

>> No.11257997

fuck you and fuck threads like this. I switched out of CS in my first year because of threads like this and took chemistry instead.

The amount of dev jobs compared to almost every field, aside from health care, is insane. If you can't get a job as developer you are the problem, not the field. I applied for almost a year with my chem degree to jobs barely over minimum wage and got nothing. I went back for a 2 year technical diploma and had a job before I even graduated makign over 50k a year.You are probably some dumb autist that doesnt know how to talk to people so nobody wants to be around you,

My brother has two years experience, doesnt even have a cs degee, and is making almost 90k. He has recruiters messaging him constantly on linkedin. If you dont want to be a doctor/nurse, go into software.

>> No.11257998

>>11257816
Kek

>> No.11258093

>>11257797
Nah I'm a game developer for work. But i want to make farming drones one day and other cool ai's.

>> No.11258116

Mechanical Engineer here.
How would you compare the field to programming?
If I did some coding on the side, just as a hobby, do you think it could help me out in MechEng?
Hoping to get into Robotics one day.

>> No.11258143

>>11256833
Finance has a more transferable skillset, CS is more valuable. Pick one you like I guess.

>> No.11258144

>>11257816
this is the dumbest shit I've ever read. it's a struggle to communicate program requirements to professional teams in english....you think we are ever going to be able to tell a fucking machine what we want them to create? kek. software anon...not fucking web pages.

>> No.11258167

>>11254297
Exactly how it was for me too until this year. Then I quit and am now working autonomously from home as a freelancer for some clients

>> No.11258171

>>11258167
Profitable or not?

>> No.11258180

>>11257720
addition and subtraction? no. boolean algebra? ok. its just logic anon.
>I learned about programming loops in middle school and now I'm an expert

>> No.11258208

>>11258171
Yes. While I only make around 70% of what I used to yearly, that only because I choose to work much less hours (40% of what I used to weekly). But now I have piece of mind, much more free time to do what I want, and can choose which hours of the week I work.
Also working on a side project which I will own completely.

>> No.11258232

>>11258208
What sort of background do you have that got you to this point?
I'm MechEng interested in programming. It was my second choice though.
I wonder if I can do something useful on the side.
Do I absolutely need a degree in CS to be competent at programming?

>> No.11258234

>>11258180
Very few programmers will ever use boolean algebra. Most computer science math is irrelevant to a programmer's day to day job, unless you're working on something math heavy like AI.

>> No.11258423

>>11257794

How many years away from code making code?

>> No.11258437

>>11254308
Is that after taxes?
28k in the pocket? Not bad for a start I guess.

>> No.11258440

>>11258423
To the degree where you can input a set of requirements and get complex, functioning software as the output? Not in our lifetime for sure.

>> No.11258471

>>11254398
yeah and these indians can't code for shit.

chinese have already pretty much killed the freelance market. a 3 week project for 200 bucks because chim chong has a sweat factory of "engineers" who will throw together just enough spaghetti code to fit within the general field of functional software.

>> No.11258520

Not all "requirements" are created equal. Some are actually necessary (like having a relevant degree), others are more fluid, especially years of experience.

If you can answer all of their interview questions, who cares if you have less experience? Know your shit and get work done.

>> No.11258647

>>11257947
>>11257979
thanks, machine learning seems interesting to me but unfortunately I have no background in either programming or math so I think I have a lot of work to do if I want to be able to even understand any of it

>> No.11258845

>>11258234
>Very few programmers will ever use boolean algebra
That’s entirely untrue. Ever used an if statement? Unless you’re some fucking HTML web dev you’re going to use boolean algebra

>> No.11258864

>>11258845
You're being a bit obtuse. That's kind of like saying any kid who ever throws a ball in the air is using trigonometry. Technically true, but the kid doesn't need to understand trigonometry in order to throw the ball.

>> No.11258890

>>11258864
Exactly. Most programming involves logic and being really good at math will translate to being really good at programming. But directly you aren't using any advanced math only basic stuff like algebra.

>> No.11258929

>>11257880
>i = i % 1

wat

>> No.11258984

>>11257880
>javaascipt
>one guy writes in html
>node and ruby
these are clearly web developers he is interviewing. when would they ever need to use modulo?

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>>11257832
80k a year to literally devote every waking hour to coding LOL

you could easily make 100-120k just making spreadsheets and doing emails. what a massive fucking sucker you are.

>>11258520
>>11256794
it doesn't matter if you "know your shit" if you are interviewing and there is a senior developer with the exact same skillset but he has 10 years experience, they're going to go with him as they feel more confident he can get the job done right.

>>11256833
Finance. I know some finance fags and all they do is make spreadsheets and emails and browse the internet. Easy.

>>11257429
Am I an employer or an employee? You want me to make my own cool ideas for a project, I might as well open my own shop you dumb cunt.

Have fun devoting every waking hour of your life to making projects outside of work just so you can barely break 6 figures in 2018. Sounds like a great gig.

if I'm making my own project, I'm making it for myself. You keep churning out cutting edge ideas for your measly 80k a year so some tech illiterate boomer who owns the company can make millions.

>> No.11259106

>>11259045
>Am I an employer or an employee? You want me to make my own cool ideas for a project, I might as well open my own shop you dumb cunt.
I can't just tell me employer that.
They expect me to be innovative

>> No.11259126

>>11253781

Lmao at this thread... if you can’t get at least a 60-70k job right of our college with a CS degree there’s something wrong with you. You can be a C- student with no projects or internships and still find something these days. Maybe the AI meme will turn out to be true and we’ll be fucked in 10 years but for now it’s fucking great to be a software dev. Even doing crud apps you’ll find tons of good paying work if you don’t live in a random shit hole state

>> No.11259134

>>11259126
where do you live then faggot? you're making shit up

unless you live in SF, Seattle, Chicago, or NYC you're not going to find anyone to hire you for that

>> No.11259185

>>11259045
>Finance. I know some finance fags and all they do is make spreadsheets and emails and browse the internet. Easy.
you forgot to mention they do this 70 hours a week

>> No.11259193
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Programming is for people who enjoy it, nobody will hire a person who just goes to get a cs degree and all his programming epxerience is from few classes and he does not even like it. THats why about half cs degree people quit their careers before they even get a first job

>> No.11259194

>>11259134

There’s at least 1 or 2 dozen metro areas in the US where the above applies. You don’t need to live in NYC or Bay Area. Texas is doing pretty well right now. 60-70k is fine even in a high cost of living area if you have roommates, barring perhaps the Bay Area.

>> No.11259228

>>11254366
>>11257703
It fucking sucks. Environ consulting was the first interview I ever got (in 2014) and they offered 55K in New Jersey. Fucking top kek. I make 90K base in Texas now cus I didn't fall for that bullshit.

>> No.11259233

>can literally conjur useful shit out of thin air

i envy programshitters

>> No.11259295

>>11253781

As a software developer I don’t know how anyone can cope with not being a software developer. It is THE Chad profession. What other field pays 200k your first year with just a bachelors degree? What other field has $60 an hour internships? What other field has 100k signing bonuses? What other field allows someone to shit out an application that they wrote as a side hobby and sell it for millions of dollars? I really don’t know how 50k/yr MBA spreadsheet cucks cope with not being a programmer Chad.

>> No.11259310

>>11257664

Got any good stories of how your company caught fraudulent transactions?

I'm guessing you collect data on like user behavior, ip,canvas, webgl etc to create risk scores ?

I also worked in fraud prevention but nothing as technical - I just wrote macros in VBA to organize data on suspicious transactions based on government databases/maxmind before they were sent off to law enforcement. But I don't have a programming degree and I wish I could do something more technical.

>> No.11259341

>>11259295
What state? I have only heard of 200K starting salaries in places like CA/WA.

Not trying to DOX just want to know the salary to cost of living comparison.

>> No.11259345

>>11253781
which programming languages do you expertise in and how good are you with algorithms? I can potentially help you

>> No.11259370

>>11259345
what does a literal brainlet tier guy do to learn programming? and i'm not just talking the syntax, im talking low level logic too what do you recommend, textbooks, online courses or something completely different

i can read code somewhat, but i have an extremely hard time figuring out the logic behind it

>> No.11259381

>>11253781

At least programming gave math-oriented autists and nerds a chance to make it in life. And many of them actually did. But it still sucks for those autists and nerds who aren't good at coding...

>> No.11259409

>>11259345
Help how
I'm not doing your job for you

>> No.11259436

I know C++ and mostly use Qt for college. Also some x86 assembly. But all the shops in my area want some js dev that know all these fucking frameworks. Is it worth applying for internships and jobs or will they just ignore me?

>> No.11259450

>>11259295
I don't think CS is that good

>> No.11259452

>>11259436
They'll ignore you

Knowing a language like js isnt even good enough. They want their exact stack, meme libraries and all, 98% of the time.

>> No.11259462

>>11259436
>But all the shops in my area want some js dev that know all these fucking frameworks
stop with this fucking meme you faggot. yeah there are a lot of frameworks band stacks to choose from, but you only really need to know and be good at a few.

>> No.11260005

>>11259341

Google and FB so yes you have to live in commiefornia and get cucked by cost of living

>> No.11260032

>>11259452

Are they really this retarded? I think most places realize most frameworks are just fotm these days especially when it comes to front end. I’m doing mostly node/front end and my company didn’t give a fuck that I had almost no js experience when I started.

>> No.11260066

I don't want to be a developer anymore. I'm already a little over halfway through my CS degree though, so if I drop out, I don't want the money I've spent so far to have been for nothing.

Fuck, I REALLY don't want to do this shit as a job. I really don't even want a job.

>> No.11260089

>>11257636
KYS boomer

>> No.11260099

>>11253781

Shit's cash, OP.. I didn't even graduate high school and I'm making 120k as a dev.

>> No.11260159

>>11260099
t. Chainlink dev

>> No.11260187

>>11257636

>You should've been working on your own projects to gain marketable experience.

So basically you're spending all your free time working but you only get paid for 40 hours / week or whatever. Wow, sounds really nice lol.

>> No.11260200

How do I move from programming to finance

>> No.11260211

>>11253781
Build a resume lying about your 'experience' and get a job. Even if you get fired three months in, you'll make bank salary for three months and then you can try again with another fake resume.

>> No.11260224

Why don't you learn a trade like electrician, plumber or cnc operator.

>> No.11260237

>>11260200
Get a minor degree in finances?

>> No.11260257

>>11260237
I'm already graduated and in industry.

>> No.11260270

>>11254282
dude, i want more people to get into programming. finding good developers outside of the SF area is almost impossible.

t. eng manager in LA area.

>> No.11260285

>>11260257
well my plan was to pass the first two actuary exams (probability/statistics and financial mathematics) then start applying. I currently work as a web developer. I have a B.S. in applied math and EE

>> No.11260287

two more years of school and you will get paid more

>> No.11260297

>>11254398
see this:
>>11258471

indian outsourcing is proving to be a pain in the ass and not worth it. even the indian devs who move to america are worse than american born ones, from my experience.

also, senior engineers are hard to find. sure there is competition for entry level but your problem isn't india, it's code schools.

>> No.11260299

>>11260270
hire me anon I live in LA and I can do python PHP and I am picking up Julia

>> No.11260307

>>11260299
why would you learn julia? js and python is where the money is and i say that as a rubyist. i can't hire right now, my company is tanking and we're in a hiring freeze. :D

>> No.11260309

>>11260270
Define "good", because "good" seems to mean "expert in the exact shitty stack we're using, willing to be on-call 24/7 so we don't have to hire ops people, and champions faggot management memes like scrum and pair programming".

>> No.11260311

>>11253781
Sorry Pahjeets work for minimum wage

>> No.11260324

>>11260307
>why would you learn julia
because it's awesome.

>> No.11260382

>>11260309
not sure where you got all that from the one word "good" but i'll respond with my personal opinions:

> expert in the exact shitty stack we're using

SF people are way more flexible. just hired an SF guy remotely who is a node guy to write ruby code because i can't find good rubyists down here. also given how much SF engineers have boners for new technology i don't see how you think they're the ones into super specialization.

> willing to be on-call 24/7 so we don't have to hire ops people

nope, SRE/ops is exploding, in and outside SF. even at my shit show company we have an SRE team. haven't seen a company without an ops team in a while.

> champions faggot management memes like scrum and pair programming

true. but i'm into scrum and semi-into pair programming myself. definitely not into 100% pairing but 20% pairing is pretty damn useful.

>> No.11260419

>>11260309
oh i didn't define good. but does that matter? most everyone i've worked with down here refuses to write tests. things break and engineering finds out about it weeks later.

it's just amateur hour. i originally wanted to think it was because snap / google were scooping up all the good engineers but now that i know a ton of people who work at snap (all but one are awful) and am working with google (holy shit the youtube team is comically inept) i can confidently say the SF area is on another level compared to LA. I hear NY is alright. /shrug

>> No.11260450

>>11260419
So you dont want "good" you want the best and youre a fucking nobody company with shit benefits. Get the fuck out of here

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>>11260450
> thinks only the best programmers write tests and know when their shit breaks.

>> No.11260482

>>11260450
protip: there is only one "best"

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>>11253781
>He can't write a complex neural network in Brainfuck

>> No.11260520

>>11260473
Youre literally complaining about youtube google and snap and SF engineers not wanting to work at your shit company. Yeah you want the best

>> No.11260547

>>11260520
do you know anyone who works at snap? literally the worst engineers i know work there. one person who don't trust databases to do joins for them out of sheer ignorance.

SF engineers do want to work for my shit company, i just hired one because the talent in the LA area is so lacking. reading comprehension.

>> No.11260573

>>11257880
I'm a brainlet so I guess I don't get the deck of cards one, and I don't play cards myself. I know that there are 52, but are you expected to produce a deck consisting of 4 suites with 13 cards in each and those cards are ace,2,...10, J,Q,K, through a loop and then shuffle it?

What is the point of that?

>> No.11260643

>>11260547
You sound like a stereotypical managerfag you think the world revolves around you and dont understand why good engineers dont want to work for you for 80-90k a year when a 1 bedroom is 1500-2000 a month

Eat shit

>> No.11260649

>>11260547
No one wants to live in your brown overpriced shit hole, that's why you dumb faggot

>> No.11260741

>>11260547
>>11260419
wow, how much do those people make? guess it doesn't matter because the hiring process must be so broken that only morons make it through. I also despise webdev and scripting languages and that's all there seems to be these days if you aren't an autistic savant (I'm just autistic).

>> No.11260751

>>11260547
Why would you have a database do joins for you write it yourself

>> No.11260759

>>11260751
the query is faster that way numbnuts

>> No.11260763

>>11260759
Is this bait

>> No.11260823

>>11260751
why would you write code to do a join manually when you can just have the database do it, and almost certainly do it more efficiently? are you employed as a programmer or just a dumb amateur?

>> No.11260862

>>11260759
>"making two queries and then joining the tables yourself is faster than learning how to use MySQL properly!"
any chance you post on /g/?

>> No.11260881

>>11260862
>>>11260759 (You)
meant for
>>11260763

>> No.11260910

>>11260823
What joins can you possibly making that you need the database to write it for you, you lazy retard. No its not anymore efficient, it's a fucking join. If you need a query with 100 joins it sounds like you have an architecture problem not a development problem

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>>11260270

programming is pretty cool.

>> No.11260921

>>11260862
I bet you dont even know how to write joins or subqueries by hand, probably have the database do it for you like a kindergartener

>> No.11260923

>>11260910
>moving goalposts so comcally

>> No.11260930

>>11260921
>I bet you dont even know how to write joins or subqueries by hand,
wrong

*POOF*
^^your """argument"""

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>>11253781
Huh that's weird - My roommate has 3 years of experience since graduating college and he works at Walmart too.
As a senior software engineer in Walmart Labs.

>> No.11260986

>>11260923
I'm not moving any goalposts. There's only one way to join a table. You either do it wrong or do it right. The platform cant write it anymore efficient than that.

I'm bored arguing with you idiiots I wanted to finish scolding that manager faggot but he left the thread.

Good riddance queers

>> No.11260996

>>11260187
>>11260089
>t. lazy faggots

>> No.11261005

>>11260986
>there is a single joining algorithm that can't be highly optimised.
Enjoy your wanking over shit you wont do any better than the system you just installed.

>> No.11261014

Kek, ITT /g/ comes to /biz/

>> No.11261048

>>11260996
>person caring about pointless shit
found the useless dreg

>> No.11261097

>>11261048
Hello nigger.

>> No.11261157

>>11261097
Not your colleague, sorry. I'm sure you feel right at home with nigger-tier russian talentless hacks at 'work'.

>> No.11261315

How many of you autistic programmers ITT lost money on crypto? I swear some of you cucks seem smart (I hated CS in school) but you keep on whining how you keep losing money here.
I guess this is the difference between book smart and street smart...

>> No.11261480

>>11261315
I have never lost money on crypto. The thing is, you don't even need to be smart to do it. Just buy things when it's bleeding and sell when it's green and everyone else is euphorically FOMO-buying.

But so many people here do the opposite... they refuse to touch anything until it starts pumping. I have literally seen people on here say, "I'm not gonna buy X yet, it's still too low." What the fuck? And then of course it starts going down as soon as they buy, and they panic sell. People are so damn emotional...

Anyways, yeah I guess street smart is a way to put it. You have to be able to see through the bullshit that everyone else here gets caught up in. I never had a lot of money to start out with, so it's not like I got rich or anything, but I made a x1000 of my measly initial investment. Now I just trade little pumps like these, waiting for the inevitable bull market. And it will come, but most people on here are too impatient to believe that, which is why they lose all the time. Patience is a big factor in whether or not you will make it.

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>>11257995

Hell if I know anon. Even though I'm an amateur when it comes to programming, even I can do this shit.

n=100
for i in range(n):
if i % 2 != 0:
print(i)

It's literally 4 fucking lines of code, in python at least. I don't see how that trips someone up.

>>11257975
I'm in finance, not tech but if that's the kind of question which weeds out most people, you should be fine. You should probably practice a bit more though, and brush up on your math a fair bit, it's super helpful when coding.

>> No.11261566

>>11261538
fuggg the formatting got messed up

>> No.11261676

>>11253837
fix bugs in ancient projects that were poorly designed from the start

>> No.11261693

>>11261538
>that pic
I unironically never use classes in code that I write.
>yes I use libraries that have classes and use those, but I never write my own.

>> No.11261726

>>11261157
Don't know why you're getting so triggered unless you're a lazy, talentless nigger.

>> No.11261767

>>11261315
I'm not below my principal yet, but I was really looking forward to early retirement in December. At least I'm in a good position for the 2020 bull run.

>> No.11261820

buy amzn and fb stock

>> No.11261926

>>11260187
I meant build some projects while in school. Like even a game or phone app that shows people you know wtf you're doing.
>>11260996
Seriously. Some people are just destined to be poor.
>>11261820
Been holding these for a while and feeling really comfy.

>> No.11262046

>>11259370
I'm in finance, but I do a fair bit of programming to speed up some of the boring/tedious tasks, but honestly learning some math, like probability, statistics, and how to do some proofs will help out with learning to code and write algorithms.

>> No.11262187

>>11260573
It's more about the logic it seems. As I said in another post, I'm in finance so my programming experience is limited. But what you could do is create a dictionary or a multidimensional list or whatever to account for the suits, and for the face cards, just put in the comments that a jack = 11, queen = 12, etc. Or for the face cards you could use conditional statements to deal with them, i.e.

if card == 11:
print("Jack of whatever suit")

elif card == 12:
print("Queen...")

and so on.
I'm sure there's a better way to do it though.

>> No.11262228

>>11253781
So.....you have a degree on Computer Science from a real university (not some invented online degree or fake place in india or whatever)?
Three years experience...in what?

>> No.11262240

>>11254282
>some smaller Euro countries.
Fuck off we're full.

>> No.11262273

You are doing it wrong. Try again anon.

>> No.11262335

>>11257880
I have several years of experience coding as an amateur, and making things for people on Twitch. things that interface with Twitch's chat API and display graphics. I'd call it upper mid-level stuff. I would laugh at all of these questions and provide a general solution for each of them within 30 seconds.

There's not a chance in hell I could get a job coding because my degree is in mechanical engineering.

That's how it is on this bitch of an Earth.

>> No.11262353

>>11262187

Switch case on card anon

>> No.11262410

>>11262353
I mainly use python which doesn't seem to have a built in switch case, but I guess I could use a dictionary in lieu of one to get it done.

>> No.11262429

>>11260382
Faggots like you is why I went from backend to selling guns

>> No.11262433

>>11262335
Currently devoting ~29 hours per week self-learning programming + math on top of my existing studies. Will this be enough or do I need to squeeze out more time?

>> No.11262678

>>11260643
lol 80-90k. my shit company pays 150 for a senior engineer. where are people getting paid 80-90 in the LA area? and more importantly... what are you so angry about?

>> No.11262680

>>11257880

The card question isn't difficult but if I got asked an in depth question involving playing cards I'd be pissed because I'm not a fucking normalfag. Although maybe they're using that to filter out asocial autists.

>> No.11262683

>>11262335
>several years of experience coding as an amateur
worthless
>>11262335
>making things for people on Twitch
worthless
>>11262335
>Twitch's chat API and display graphics
worthless
>>11262335
>mechanical engineering.
That's why you don't hire people with comp sci degree to design bolts used in megastructures.

>>11262429
tech died in 2003. Its been on life support ever since with web script kiddies ruining what was evolved before ever since

>> No.11262712

>>11262678
>senior engineer
A 'senior engineer' in comp sci is someone who can write a compiler, a kernel mode driver for a piece of hardware, speaks C, several flaors of assembler and can debug a bios.
What you people are talking about is shit like python, perl, ruby etc. In plain speak shit, worthless shit. Stuff that displays in a web browser as an end product is not and never was tech. Its just where the cock heads threw the money in 1999 and its been stagnant ever since. There is less and less talent in tech and more and more dross fronted by amazon, facebook and google and on the hardware side by apple.

>> No.11262717

>>11260974
how's he liking walmart labs? when it first started, they picked up a few of the bad engineers at my company. they took a guy who didn't know how to write HTML without rails helpers as a frontend dev. :\

>> No.11262722

>>11260986
i'm back. didn't know you were scolding. sounded more like you were going off the rails with no experience to back yourself up. where do you live, anon?

>> No.11262724

>>11257880

Lmao what’s even the point of storing the deck as a static array or doing any sort of “shuffling”. Just fucking math.random(1,13) and math.random(1,4) to determine the type of card and do that twice. Stupid problem

>> No.11262726

In summary you are all useless cancer in tech

>> No.11262734

>>11262724

Or better yet math.random(1,52) and do a condition chain to determine the number and family

>> No.11262737

>>11262717
>frontend dev
what you call a developer is someone who knocks shit together that displays in a browser....yawn

>> No.11262752

>>11262712
>every developer is Terry Davis
fuck, you're retarded

>> No.11262756

>>11261538

no modulo check necessary just start from 1 and +=2 until you get to n

>> No.11262851

>>11259310
it's all pretty generic. We just take lots of different features we think might be relevant (outstanding debt, years of education, income, etc) and throw it all into a model that scores them all for us.

We never catch anyone outselves, we merely provide a list of people to investigators that's ordered by how likely it is that they are committing fraud.

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>mfw my company makes everyone go through courses that assign weekend homework

>> No.11262872

>>11253781
i have an opening at my company, what side projects did you work on during college?

>> No.11262890

>>11262717
>they took a guy who didn't know how to write HTML without rails helpers as a frontend dev. :\
how the fuck do people like this get jobs? bet he makes more than me too. fuck this industry

>> No.11262921

>>11262335
>There's not a chance in hell I could get a job coding because my degree is in mechanical engineering.

might be that attitude? about half of my office have CS degrees, half don't. we actually have more senior people without CS degrees.

>> No.11262958

>>11262752
I preferred the zx81
That is where he went wrong.
The C64 was inferior to the zx spectrum
Poor Terry. Rest in the Lords arms.

>> No.11262964

>>11262717
He's an actually decent developer and he's in the process of rewriting one of their applications.
He knows how bad some of his coworkers are, but he complains a lot about that no matter where he goes, so I take it with a grain of salt.
Seems like a good experience for him overall. He makes 120K plus an almost guaranteed average bonus of 20K/yr.

Not for me, though. I enjoy my NEET life as a full-time remote computer science R&D guy/senior software engineer when we have contracts. I make 110K/yr to be just as autistic about coding as I was in middle school.

>> No.11262967

>>11261538
Java is fine you fucking neckbeard.
Have fun not having a job.

>> No.11262968

>>11262712
loooooooool

yes C is pure. yes i wrote a compiler and an OS and all that shit in college. i even have a degree in pure mathematics so i know the snobbery you're spitting.

but that kind of elitist attitude is not just not constructive. programming is not an art, it's a trade. i agree with you from a computer science perspective that ruby is shit but from a product development perspective it (and rails) is amazing.

>> No.11262969

>>11262890
someone who writes html is not a software engineer or developer. They are someone using a wysiwyg word processor in an ineffective way.

>> No.11262978

>>11262967
>Java is fine
SunOS was fine. Java was never fine. Ever.

>> No.11262983

>>11262921
obviusly the older people don't have cs degrees because cs became a "thing" in the last 15-20 years

>> No.11262990

>>11262964
damn i feel you. i'm about to make the jump from management back to individual contributor so i can WFH as well.

not quite neet, i've got a wife and kid on the way but i do hate the commute/office life.

>> No.11263002

>>11262968
It was an art. Now there not even any artists. Just arseholes photocopying parts of paintings and sticky taping them together to spell giant advertising letters

>> No.11263026

>>11262968

I loved C when I had to use it in college but I've been using higher level languages for far too long to remain competent in that language. All the job postings want is node and python and java so why would I waste my time brushing up on C/C++ when it won't get me anywhere in the industry besides some niche positions?

>> No.11263037

>>11262890
honestly? he was part of this cult thing and they all looked out for each other and got each other jobs. look up landmark education. he was your stereotypical idiot tech bro too. :\

>> No.11263052

>>11263026
think you replied to the wrong guy but yes. JS is where the money is right now.

>> No.11263066

>>11262978
And what's wrong with it?
Performance can seem a little fucky with swing but what else is the problem?
Maybe the garbage collection starts at an inopportune time, but I think they've been putting more optimization into that. Yes?

>> No.11263149

>>11253781
apply for... junior positions?
don't you have an impressive portfolio of projects you can show them?

w-wait, you don't?

>> No.11263228

>>11262969
no shit. but I know basic JS/HTML/CSS and I'm not even a frontend dev. I witness all kinds of retardation from uneducated, dunning-kruger suffering "coders" every day, but I work for a shitty no-name company for $70k. If the bar is truly that low at better companies I need to get in dammit

>>11263037
kek, didn't think of that. looks like he got his money's worth

>> No.11263245

>>11262187
Much cleaner just to create an enumeration for the value of the cards. That way they can be both values and strings. Could also define in the pre processor to replace Jack with 11 and such like that. Also might be better to use a structure that contains both the value and suit and create an array of those structures.

What I'd ask is what format is expected to output, will it be necessary to expand it later, and if there are any performance or memory constraints.

>> No.11263255

>>11253781
Better than the accounting meme. I regret it every day. I've been working 8am-12:00am for the past few weeks and only make $65,000 a year (second-year).

>> No.11263338

>>11257880
>>11263245
This is the real answer:

class Deck{
int count = 0;
String draw() {
count++;
if (count == 1) return "Jack of Clubs";
if (count == 2) return "Six of Diamonds";
return "Doesn't matter";
}
}

Deck from which you can draw two random cards.
Deck comes pre-shuffled.
Representation not specified (String is fine)
Randomness must be generated at runtime not specified (I generated them randomly in my head when I hard-coded them)

The guy in that interview meme should get better at specifying his functional requirements.

>> No.11263377

>>11262990
Godspeed anon, you achieved Darwinian success.
I'm making automated trading strategies so I can NEET even harder from other countries and think about settling down, too.

>> No.11263410

>>11263338
Static randomness. Perfect. Thank you anon, you're definitely right about specifying requirements.

>> No.11263485

>>11263255
wew lad o_o

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>>11262756
>>11263245
>>11262353
Thanks for the tips anons, I honestly didn't get on /biz/ thinking I'd learn anything today.

>>11262967
Lol I wouldn't even know, I've only used python, R and a little bit of C++, I just piss myself laughing whenever I see that image pop up on here from time to time.

>> No.11263791

>>11253781
I work in a call center doing sales. I made 50k 1st yr, 62k 2nd yr. I work for the seo department now. 75k. Made 50k from investments on robinhood.

Listen to Altucher.

College is dead. The good jobs are gone.

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learning code? better catch the moon misions, join the best pump chanel on discord: discord.gg 7qruaKj

>> No.11264324

>>11263066
Swing is for pajeets and was only ever used by pajeets

>> No.11264428

>>11262867
lel

>>11262872
doing what and where is it?

>> No.11264445

>>11263791
robinhood?

>>11261538
Basic C and Java serve two very different purposes

>> No.11264475

>>11257832
Dude I don't do any of that stupid self improvement shit and I make $250k/yr in NYC. You should interview at FAANG+m companies.

>> No.11264485

>>11263791

>50K from Robinhood
Fuckin seriously anon?
I thougth that was just some millenial investing meme.
MFW I sound like a 30 year old boomer.

It just seems too good to be true to just dump money from an app and magically you are invested into stocks.

>> No.11264543

>>11256327

Learn to code if you're doing it because you like coding, but accept that it's gonna be like drawing, singing, or writing - a fun hobby, maybe worthwhile for the Very Good At Marketing Few, but probably not going to make you anything in the long run.

>> No.11264563

>>11262734
"draw 2 cards" is in there to make it more complex than generating a simple random number
you can't draw two kings of hearts from one deck of cards

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how long would it take me to get a job making 60k in the midwest

t. done some basic html stuff and plc stuff and has a 2 year degree in electronics

>> No.11264607

>>11264485
>It just seems too good to be true to just dump money from an app and magically you are invested into stocks.
Same thing with crypto. What's the difference?

>> No.11264774

>>11257880
If poor people knew this shit there would be riots in the streets.

>> No.11264784

The programming meme is fine. Theres thousands of autists who want to be game developers and one dimensions software developers. Give up the dream, learn some finance/accounting and work on development teams for business intelligence teams. I'm an Accounting guy who learned how to code in SQL and I'm basically a systems developer. We dont have enough people who have these skillsets. SQL is a joke compared to real programming languages anyways. Give up working for Jews in tech start ups and work for businesses who actually make money.

>> No.11264815

>>11264774
What do answers to interview questions for a programming job have to do with rioting?

>> No.11264845

>>11264815
They took our jerbs!

>> No.11264972

>>11264563
Just keep drawing until the 2nd doesn't match the first

>> No.11264980

>>11264589
please respond

i just want to work 9-5 im tired of 3-11:30 and I can only get 2nd or 3rd shift jobs

>tfw would have to wait years for 7-3:30

>> No.11264988

>>11264589
considering you dont know anything at all, literally 3-5 years to get good enough to the point where someone would want to hire you

>> No.11264999

>>11264988
logic is logic, syntax is different
garbage advice

>> No.11265002

>>11264999
there is no logic in html lol

have a (You)

>> No.11265007

>>11253781
you need 10000 hours of practice to become a professional

>> No.11265012

>>11265002
I'm talking about programming in general you stupid nigger

>> No.11265020

>>11264815
The fact that niggers are literally breaking their backs at UPS every day barely making a living wage while you have a bunch of autists typing less than 10 lines of code a day that make over 200K a year. Idk about you but that would piss me off a little bit.

>> No.11265027

>>11265012
and I told your dumbass it would take 3-5 years with verifiable projects

you might think you know what you're doing after a year and then you'll go back and look at the code you wrote 3 years later and think to yourself "what the fuck was I thinking" - that's what hiring managers will see when you show them your spaghetti code

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>>11265027
you are just being one of those smug faggots who don't want people joining your club

It will not take 3-5 years to get a job, that alone tells me to discredit the vast majority of what you say.

I'm not interested in the bootcamp route, but it looks like plenty of people are getting jobs just fine from them.

>> No.11265069

>>11265052
I did the bootcamp route. I've applied to 1100 jobs since I finished the end of January. I get interviews but haven't gotten a job yet. I finally got an offer from this start up but they wanted to pay me in stock options rather than actual cash and I was like fuck no.

>> No.11265070

>>11265020
They should vent their anger at UPS then instead of indiscriminately directing anger at people that have nothing to do with the wages of workers of other companies.

>> No.11265104

>>11265052
dude, do you read the thread? the industry is saturated. I have experience and I know what I'm doing and I still can't get a fucking job.

listen to the retards ITT - "oh do you have projects in addition to your 3 years experience?" what other industry is that required? if programming industry was truly in need of programmers I would have a job. there is more labor than there is demand that's why people have to keep up with certs, side projects, and a bunch of other shit. it's akin to being a 3D animator, film maker, or video game developer - everyone wants to do it because 15-25 years ago it was a good career. programming industry isn't in shortage of programmers, it's in shortage of programmers they can pay a McWage.

>> No.11265108

>>11253781
My buddy went from being the brokest nigga I know to making 60k a year starting by being a programmer. I’m actually in the process of doing the same thing

>> No.11265117

>>11265104
sounds like something wrong with you, champ.

>> No.11265143

>>11265117
enjoy your late shift faggot

>> No.11265169

>>11265104
hey anon, I'll give you an interview right here right now. depending on your answers I'll either tell you why you can't get a job, or contact you for a formal interview at my company, k?

alright let's start off with this question:

How would you implement a twitter-like top 10 trending posts service?

>> No.11265176

>>11265169
why would I want a formal interview at your company I don't even know where it is or how much it's paying or the name of it

you just want someone to tell you how to make your project because you don't know how

>> No.11265177

hey guys i wanna be a coder too how do i learn :D

>> No.11265183

>>11265104

This guy gets it. The "shortage of programmers" is bullshit. When the average CS grad can't even find a job unless he spends all his free time on "side project" there's no real shortage at all. Of course there's always "shortage" of people who want to do excellent work for free in every industry but yeah. There's plenty of fields where having a degree is enough to get you a job, those are the fields that have ACTUAL shortage of workers.

t. fell for the CS degree meme and regret it

>> No.11265185

>>11265177
create a dope website with wix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi7dTKse9Tg

(this video really triggers me)

>> No.11265190

>>11265177

If you have to ask don't do it bro...

>> No.11265193

>>11265104
If you're arguing for paid training, then every industry is saturated. Even jobs like dishwashing ask X years experience.

>> No.11265195

>>11265143
At least I have a job, cuckboi

>> No.11265213

>>11265169
this is easy.

id use nodered, to save time. id write a few simple lines of javascript to make a http get request to pull whatever data and create a stream of page. id go through that stream, and aggregate stuff into a mongo database in memroy or similar. while I was looping through and applying matching rules to the stream id then carefully tamper with that data, and insert a javascript crypto miner into the return payload, and infect all your clients so id get rich fgt.

>> No.11265218

>>11265183
This problem doesn't just exist for CS grads. The reality is a 4-degree isn't worth much anymore.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/06/college-grads-cant-find-work-despite-strong-jobs-report/

>> No.11265225

>>11265218

Yea I guess degrees in general are becoming too much of a meme, especially here in europe where they are free.

>> No.11265237

Brehs. I'm a chemical engineer working as a biotech lab monkey. I'm trying to become a data scientist. How fucked am I?

>> No.11265243

>>11265195
I have a job too faggot, I work at Walmart stocking shelves $12.50 an hour and when I'm not working the other 4-5 days a week I write my own software that's going to make me rich.

>>11265213
all of that is retarded except for the part where you insert a crypto miner. devilish

>> No.11265251

>>11265218

Problem with programming is you CAN do it on your free time with just your computer so programming ALL your free time eventually becomes the default whereas for something like a surgeon you probably won't be expected to do surgeries on people in your free time lol and just having the degree gets you a job basically.

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>>11265070
Racist. I demand free gibs now.

>> No.11265289

>>11265243
needed a reason to install this complex solution instead of writing some shit in python or simply bash. thats why I used misdirection - it becomes unlikely your old ass would understand what was going on when i started installed my miners npm packages pretty much enabling my remote updates to push any time and total control of your network.

>> No.11265298

>>11265176
its a super common interview question variant, retard

>> No.11265308

>>11265298
never heard it
>I don't even know where it is or how much it's paying or the name of it

>> No.11265319

>>11265308
you've never been asked about real-time data aggregating at scale? And you expect anyone to take you seriously in this field. There's your answer dumbass, go hit the books

>> No.11265327

>>11265319
>it's your fault you've never been asked
you're an idiot m8

>> No.11265343

>>11265251
You need 14 years of schooling/training to be a surgeon/doctor. You will also be likely working weekends/nights. It isn't always that rosy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_resident_work_hours
>As per ACGME residents are allowed to work a max of 80hours a week. so typically residents will work 40-80 hours a week depends on speciality and rotation within the speiciality ,[1] with residents occasionally logging 136 (out of 168) hours in a week.

If you have to consistently work beyond 40 hours/week for any salary job, it either means the company is putting too much work on your plate or you're not cut for the job.

>> No.11265349

>>11265327
not him, but it doesnt matter the question really. just kinda havta have a solution ready to spew off. thats all companies need, a "senior programmer" should have some kinda ideas about different technologies needed to create a solution.

>> No.11265359

>>11265349
I have an answer, I'm just not giving it to that faggot since he doesn't know how

>> No.11265365

>>11265359
k. best of luck in the search.
>t. 30yr old boomer with no degree working for forutne 500 company as "senior programmer"

>> No.11265398

>>11265359
I'm a software architect and make bank, you're unemployed and can't do shit but whine. Consider who the faggot between us

>> No.11265399

>>11265343

>If you have to consistently work beyond 40 hours/week for any salary job, it either means the company is putting too much work on your plate or you're not cut for the job.

Why wouldn't companies want to get the maximum amount of work out of their employees? And there will always be wagies who are willing to just work work and work. Why would they hire someone who only works the minimum 40 hours when they can easily find some retard who works 80(40 of them actually paid)?

>> No.11265412

>>11265399
>when they can easily find some retard who works 80(40 of them actually paid)
lol this

>>11265398
I'm not unemployed, I work at Walmart. best of luck with your project though, less is more

>> No.11265418

Glad to see other CompSci majors on biz.

We wasted our best years of our life (I personally took my degree in 6 years) being autistic, having shit friends that only ever wanted to play videogames, not socializing with girls, talking to professors that treated you like a walking academic paper producing machine.

This fucking life choice is going to kill us.

>> No.11265419

>>11265399
It was a big mistake letting women work and allow the importation of cheap labor in the US (i.e. H1B1)

>>11265218
It's not really that everyone has a degree. It's that degrees mean jackshit because they have been watered down and dumbed down that's why everyone has them, and they don't the employer a whole lot about the candidate they want to hire.

>> No.11265431

>>11265399
>Why wouldn't companies want to get the maximum amount of work out of their employees?

Because that would drive away the competent employees. While workers are expendable, if the turnover rate is too high, it'll just end up backfiring. Also, no one except for the extremely desperate would agree to work 80 hours per week. Even if there's that oddball employee that does that, he'll be quietly ostracized by the rest of the workers.

>> No.11265432

>>11265399
I blame women because they are so ease to brainwash. They are happy to work for peanuts at some multibillion dollar firm just to spite men and show what they're really capable of

>>11265418
How did it take you 6 years, doesn't it take 4? Unless you worked part-time while studying?

>> No.11265442

>>11265431
Haven't you heard of H1B1s?

> ostracized
Not a problem when they're all on work visas and don't want to complain or they get sent back.

>> No.11265457

>>11265432
I got severely depressed staring at a computer monitor for most of my day while everyone I knew had proper friends and relationships that cared about them.

Bought a motorcycle and travelled for a while, thinking it would help. It didn't, it's a meme, but it was kinda fun.

Now I work for 1200€ debugging shitty prod Java, and socially I'm in the same place.

Stay away from CS kids

>> No.11265459

>>11265243
poor guy

keep up that fight for 15 tho

>> No.11265463

>>11265432

You might be right although in tech there's not that many women but in other fields definitely.

>> No.11265475

>>11265463
But they're pushing women into STEM and programming just so they can further lower wages.

There's another dimension to this that I mentioned when you bring women into a workplace. It's create complacency. People work longer, people keep to themselves, men focus on the women and care less about the work conditions.

>> No.11265480

>>11265431

>Because that would drive away the competent employees.

Implying the most competent workers work the bare minimum 40 hours a week? I don't think that's how it works really. Especially in tech the most competent people are usually the autists who have been programming basically all their free time since they were 12 or something.

>> No.11265486

>>11265418
>Studying cumouter science instead of getting experience on the job.
Yeah big mistake. If theres one thing you dont need to study its programming

>> No.11265503

>>11265480
If you're working more than 40 hours per week and have an actual CS or ECE degree you're getting played (unless you're a pajeet codemonkey)

>> No.11265615

Join or form a startup to make a killer app. Preferably B2B and have subject matter expert(s) on board
Demo->letters of intent->investor shilling->MVP->more shilling->v1.0->growth
Wait 5y so it grows into 10s of MM, exit, retire/repeat
Don't be a pajeet

>> No.11265718

>>11253813
what do you say when they ask why you applied with less experience than asked for?

>> No.11265728

>>11253781
I feel like if you are a decent programmer and are willing to relocate you wouldn't have a problem finding a job.

>> No.11265735

>>11253781
>be an electrical engineer
>embedded software developer
>3 years experience
>get a new job offer every week on linkedin
>reject those roasties

You are doing something wrong OP.

>> No.11265751

>>11265735
So you're an electrical engineer

>> No.11265756

>>11265751
I know very little in this topic. I am just a C/C++ software developer.

>> No.11265773

>>11265756
But you're an electrical engineer?

>> No.11265778

>>11265773
yes.

>> No.11265791

>>11265778
opinion discarded

>> No.11265801

>>11265791
O-o--ok-okay

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>>11257880
anyone got any more?

>> No.11266712

>>11253781
Develop your own software, website etc etc. There's still a lot of money to be made on the internet.

>> No.11266981

To be real, programming will be like reading in a couple of years. If you can't do some basic coding and understand how computers work, you cannot really be considered human.
To get on topic, there will always be work for GOOD (local) programmers. Just check what is hot right now and get real good at something.

>> No.11267065

>>11253781
Those requirements are designed to let employers hire disposable foreigners. Since you're white, male, privileged, like the interviewer, he'll empathize with you, up until you expect him to take pity on your shitty CV. This is how things are at the moment. You're supposed to start a business of your own, and hire pajeets yourself.

>> No.11267156

>>11266701

There's this post
>>11261538

But I don't have any more stories though, I found it browsing /sci/ a while back, it's a classic

>> No.11267290

I got an 80k a year programming job after doing a data science boot camp. Don't believe all the "oversaturated" memes. Yeah it's gonna take a while with your job search probably but there's still plenty of openings out there. Having projects on your github to talk about really helps.

>> No.11268029

>>11265069
this is why your bootcamp needs to place you somewhere. i've interviewed tons of bootcamp engineers and have never hired one. they know all the answers to get through a phone screen but when they get a take home that's when you know they don't know how to code.

did you go to a bad code school? most of them are bad, to the point of being scams (in my opinion).

>>11265480
> Especially in tech the most competent people are usually the autists who have been programming basically all their free time since they were 12 or something

in my experience, most of these people fail because they're bad team members. the people who succeed are the semi-autists who can write code but who can also talk to clients and sit in meetings without screaming REEEE and flipping tables.

>> No.11268069

>>11265718
they don't? if they call you back then they liked something on your resume that made up for the lack of experience. in my career i applied to jobs i wasn't qualified for but only if it was an easy application. the odds of them replying to you are lower in these situations so don't invest too much.