/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.11246923]

>spend months applying for software and web dev jobs
>get ONE interview
>it goes extremely well and interviewers are impressed
>then get asked about what salary I am looking for from this job
>tell them £30k because (since it’s a job in London and right in the city)
>employer laughs
>I laugh back wondering what’s so funny
> “I can get a desperate college graduate for £15k and we have 10 more interviews after you”
>suddenly feel a huge bag weights hit the bottom of my stomach
>feel dizzy and reality starts to distort in front of me
>try to negotiate to £20k
> “£15k. Take it or leave it.”
>tell them I’ll think about it
> “Ok. Thank you for coming today. We shall get back to you within the week about the result”
>rejected

Guess I’m back to being a NEET again...

[Anonymous No.11246932]

>>11246923
15k? I hope it's part time.

[Anonymous No.11246937]

College grads are notoriously shit; if that’s all they need then you dodged a bullet

[Anonymous No.11246938]

>>11246932

Full time

[Anonymous No.11246943]

>>11246923
how do you live with 15K in london

[Anonymous No.11246948]

>>11246938
He must have been fooling with you... Nobody can live with 15k in London.

[Anonymous No.11246952]

>>11246943
>>11246948

Dunno mate but somehow people are desperate to work for that amount. A heard a lot of people even work for free before they even get a full time job offer

[Anonymous No.11246959]

I would leave that shitty miserable island as soon as possible if I were you, apply abroad

[Anonymous No.11246963]

>>11246952
>A heard a lot of people even work for free

No.

I don't believe your story, it's most likely fake. I've never heard about people working as a developer for so little, especially in London.

[Anonymous No.11246973]

>>11246963
Why do you think it’s fake? Grad schemes pay pretty well but outside of that it’s a hit or miss.

>>11246959
Got any thoughts where?

[Anonymous No.11246980]

>>11246973
I saw an article on Bloomberg about Japan recently, I can try to look it up if you want

[Anonymous No.11246986]

>>11246980
Here we go
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-20/why-some-techies-are-shunning-silicon-valley-for-japanese-dream

[Anonymous No.11246988]

experience will get you way further than a degree

i know how you can make money though

start your own company

open the yellow pages, find companies that dont have websites, call them up, and offer them a site

you will make money sooner than you think if you are persistent have a good sales pitch hustle, and also offer a good price

do you have a portfolio? if you don't, start making sites this way for cheap, and then increase your price after you actually have a portfolio

-t 18 years since i sold my first website

[Anonymous No.11246989]

>>11246973
Why would anyone spend his day in an office if he's not even paid enough to afford to sleep inside a heated building?

He's better use his time building a wooden house in the forest.

[Anonymous No.11246993]

>>11246988
btw i know a guy who was struggling for rent 10 years back and he has very basic knowledge of web development but he did what i said and now hes making a LOT of money and has several employees full time

[Anonymous No.11247009]

wtf? I landed a job making $50 an hour, where I can work as many hours and as many days a week as I'd like and I never went to college

I'm only working for 2 days a week because I like this job and I already made 2,000,000 USD from crypto.. its just so I won't lose my sanity staying at home all day

[Anonymous No.11247013]

>>11247009
>its just so I won't lose my sanity staying at home all day

You're weak. You need someone to tell you what to do with your life.

[Anonymous No.11247022]

>>11246923
Fuck Britain. Total shithole.

[Anonymous No.11247032]

>>11246923

Wow you should got to US or Australia. It is an employees market here. You can pick and choose. Everyone is trying to hire devs but not enough.

London must be full of desperate pajeets.

[Anonymous No.11247038]

>>11246923
I wouldn't be surprised if web dev entry level jobs are advertised at below 25k in London. Just look at software jobs in Cambridge where a cheap rent doesn't mean you don't get stabbed on your commute.

[Anonymous No.11247050]

>>11247013
I'm actually the one in charge there, talking about loneliness at home

[Anonymous No.11247061]

>>11247050
Start learning a musical instrument and have lessons from a local teacher 1 night a week. Join the gym and go 1 evening at least a week. Join a local sports club and go there 1 night etc. Join a book/film/theatre club. Not very hard to add some structure and socialising to your life if you crave it.

[Anonymous No.11247073]

>fighting 500 other candidates for a minimum wage job that needs a skill

Based globalism

[Anonymous No.11247089]

>>11247050
get a hobby you fuckin sorry weirdo.
get off the computer unless its for work.
dont you have any aspirations to learn or do something new?

[Anonymous No.11247125]

>>11246923

What's your skill set?
£30k is a reasonable beginner salary in London.
Learn react, jest (tdd), cucumber js, circleci deployment into AWS (S3 + Cloudfront)

You'll have people banging down your door with offers

[Anonymous No.11247374]

>>11246988
why is noone bothering with my advice? its the only way to make it brahs. you cant make it and be reliant on sucking your employers dick every day, besides, hes only paying you if he can see making profit off you, so part of your labour is going as profit to him, if you keep it all, you have more, are you guys fucking stupid? heathe my wisdom

[Anonymous No.11247383]

Haha, this is absurd.

[Anonymous No.11247387]

>>11246923
Fake and gay. Software grads start on £30k in London. For top tier tech firms it’s multiples of that. Generally if you know what you’re doing and can lead a team you can commmand >£100k, and again multiples of that for top tier tech firms

[Anonymous No.11247390]

>>11246988
Solid advice anon.

[Anonymous No.11247423]

>>11247383
>>11247387

Strongly suspect shills are being deployed on this thread. Why is a £15k dev job so unbelievable?

[Anonymous No.11247440]

>>11247374
Because otherwise they wouldn't have anything left to complain about on a Ethiopian basket waving forum. People here are addicted to failure

[Anonymous No.11247444]

>>11247423
Because, pajeet. 15K is less than the fucking guy that cleans the toilets gets paid. 15K is less than the government benefits you get if you dont work. 15k is like you paying them to employ you lmao.

[Anonymous No.11247446]

>>11247423
Because this is not how it works... Anyone who actually worked knows you are not paid $15k for this kind of job. And it's even less likely that the employer would laugh when asked for $30K, which is a very small salary too (but acceptable for beginners).

Something is not right with your story...

[Anonymous No.11247455]

>>11247446
Its 15k GBP not USD

[Anonymous No.11247457]

>>11246923
What the fuck?

I live in London, work in web development and make £35k. I don't even have a degree.

[Anonymous No.11247459]

>>11247455
Doesn't change the point....
I wrote $ while thinking £

[Anonymous No.11247485]

>>11246973
I'm looking for jobs all over Europe right now, plus a few other countries. I search with LinkedIn, you can add all the countries you're interested to the search filter (Indeed has a separate website for each country, so it's a pain). I'd be fucked if I only looked in my country (Ireland), searching all over Europe has massively increased the pool of jobs. Started applying nearly two months ago and I've had 5 phone/skype interviews so far. They were in the UK, Germany and Hungary. Looks like I have a decent chance with the Hungary one. Salaries are fairly low there, though it's really cheap and the job is pretty appealing to me.

You have to be willing to travel though, if you get past the initial skype interview.

[Anonymous No.11247500]

>>11246923
hahahaha op dont you know you're supposed to fake it until you make it

should have got down and your knees and kissed his feet for giving you the opportunity

#wageylife

[Anonymous No.11247524]

>>11246923
What's your degree and experience?
I don't know about London, but here in the Netherlands 30k euros is ok for entry level if you have either a bachelor or a master in computer science.
Not sure how companies in London could get away with 15k pounds.

[Anonymous No.11247540]

>>11246988
>>11246993
>>11247374
Kys

[Anonymous No.11247550]

Sounds like they were gonna give you minimum wage something has got to give as people are commuting in from further out, but even then your giving your money to the train jew instead of the rent landlord jew the whole system is fucked

[Anonymous No.11247584]

dodged a bullet op

[Anonymous No.11247603]

>>11247524
Pretty sure that apprenticeship schemes in London can pay around 15k gbp.
If op isn't larping then they should tell us what company was wasting thousands of pounds of HR time on an interview process that is just a troll. Also if you can't provide any reasons why a company should pay you 30k when challenged then of course they won't take you.

[Anonymous No.11247831]

https://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/web-development-jobs-in-london?salaryto=16000

It’s one of the companies there. Don’t want to say which one because HR probably scrapes IP addresses from here

[Anonymous No.11247850]

>>11247831
>Don’t want to say which one because HR probably scrapes IP addresses from here

What are you afraid of exactly?

[Anonymous No.11247892]

>>11247831
>https://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/web-development-jobs-in-london?salaryto=16000
Lol what a site. Filter to 16000 max and it lists postions like solution architect and senior developer.

[Anonymous No.11247897]

>>11247831

>HR probably scrapes IP addresses from here

lol wut. No one can scrape your IP from here other than the person running 4chan. kek

learn to technical.

[Anonymous No.11247903]

Euro cucks.

Come to America. Any dev job is minimum 100k plus bonuses.

[Anonymous No.11247915]

>>11247897
And this guy pretends he is a web developer.

[Anonymous No.11247928]

>>11247892
>https://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/web-development-jobs-in-london?salaryto=16000
i've sold a single one off wordpress for £10k before and worked on it for about a week.

the fact you know WEB DEVELOPMENT in the uk and can't get 15k? dude just work in mcdonalds

peace

[Anonymous No.11247942]

>>11247928

McDonald’s is a pretty well paid job now with plenty of benefits unironically

[Anonymous No.11247959]

>>11247942
yea probably had to bump it up due to replacing lots of workers with the robot machines.

op should seriously consider it - or work in one of the betting shops that sprawl UK high streets if hes a lazy doomer

[Anonymous No.11248898]

>>11247485
I came back home to Budapest from Englabd,totally worth it. Salaries are on the rise and there ar eno shitskins, great women, food and weather, no degeneracy.
What kind of job are u gonna do?

[Anonymous No.11248931]

>>11246923

That is a fucking joke. I finished uni peak recession in 2011 and got a shitty call centre job to make ends meet that paid £20,000 that required NO SKILL.

Sad reality is though, wages here are SHIT no matter where you go. The only way to make it in the UK is returns on capital. You will NEVER make anything of yourself here waging away.

This comes from a dude who is now 28 after 6 years working in finance and is ready to emigrate out of this hellhole poundshop orc filled island of shit.

[Anonymous No.11248986]

>>11246923
I've started keeping track of how many applications I have sent out. Over the past month I've almost hit 100, and I've been applying since March. I've had a single phone interview two weeks back, and another one in May.

Pursuing a degree in engineering/technology was a mistake. I shouldn't have listened to my parents and gone into trades like I wanted. I might still do that considering how shit of a position I'm in.

[Anonymous No.11249030]

>>11246923
No Dev jobs elsewhere?
I'm a Chemist so it's different but I'm in some shithole in Essex, paid 20K atm. But rent is only £350 for double room, ensuite all bills and taxes included.

Pays to be far away from London

[Anonymous No.11249034]

>>11246989
>spend years building wooden house in forrest in the middle of nowhere
>finally finish
>somebody notices
>calls guberment
>guberment demolishes house and arrests you
I don't know where this build a house in the forrest meme came from but it doesn't work

[Anonymous No.11249070]

>>11246952
I heard people in London actually pay their employer to work just to get the dirt off their resume and start connecting... you'll be lucky to get 10k at this rate...best try for 8k and only 75 hour work week

[Anonymous No.11249113]

>>11246923
shits not too different in the US. have my doctorate, been applying for months, and my only hope atm is a job that pays minimum wage... we've been JUSTd. Starting a biz is the only way to go... but even then you need capital to get started, which you need a job for to accumulate. fuck.

[Anonymous No.11249159]

>>11249113

[Anonymous No.11249183]

>>11246923

KEK

[Anonymous No.11250391]

>>11247374
>>11246988
I’m in the interview process for a blockchain developer position that needs JS experience. I don’t have much though, so if that all doesn’t work out, I will unironically use this advice to gain some webdev experience and build a portfolio. ty anon

[Anonymous No.11250779]

Globalism eh.

Here in NZ, I heard about a tech job that was being advertised for $70k. Some were asked for their expected salary and they stated minimum wage... About $30k...

(NZD)

[Anonymous No.11250787]

i see the problem. you are asking for £ shit tier currency. ask for $ next time.

[Anonymous No.11251606]

>>11247444
>>11247446
>>11247455

>15k pounds a year is about 30k AUD a year
>Australia has a high as fuck cost of living with Sydney being the third most expensive city in the world
>30K AUD a year is what I earned in all three of my previous jobs, construction worker, kitchen hand and bar attendant
>if you are a neet here the maximum you can get is 14k AUD a year which is about 8k pounds

Why do Britneets get so much gibs?

[Anonymous No.11251642]

What's your experience/education level? Are you a recent grad?30k is pretty high for someone who has just graduated. Salaries in the UK aren't like the US, they are a lot lower. You have spent too much time on /biz/ and have unreasonable expectations.

[Anonymous No.11251652]

>>11251642
Holy shit.
I was a borderline retard out of school and got my first Dev job at more than 60k salary. Feels fortunate, man.

[Anonymous No.11251659]

>>11251606
Pretty sure you don't get good sustainable gibs unless you have a (faked) disability. If you are on jobseeker allowance pretty sure you have to take the jobs they find for you then the gibs stop.

[Anonymous No.11251681]

Bulgarian here, I've worked for London/Nottingham-based companies throughout all my 5 wagecucking years.
Made around £35k-£50k and paid Bulgarian taxes on it (10%).
I spend £1000/week in London, hotel excluded, and I'm not even that wasteful...
How do you brahs survive on 15k, seriously

[Anonymous No.11251697]

>>11251681
P.S. I was cheap, outsourced Dev talent, if it's not obvious...
Something doesn't add up

[Anonymous No.11251731]

>Northern Virginia
>Been working as a developer for two years
>2.2 GPA from state school
>No internships

>70k

[Anonymous No.11251768]

>>11247831
>It’s one of the companies there. Don’t want to say which one because HR probably scrapes IP addresses from here
Sorry, just read this garbage. In the 1% scenario where this is not bait, you're worth £5000 tops and wouldn't find employment in India, kek

[Anonymous No.11251781]

>>11251731
70k in nova is just barely comfortable unless you want to live in some shithole off of Route 1 or something
t. Lortonfag who lives in some shithole off of Route 1

[Anonymous No.11251799]

>>11251781
I live in Sterling and I put away at least half my income

Not luxurious by any means but not frugal either

[Anonymous No.11251873]

>>11246923
I don't really understand the point of your larp.

I've been working in London for 5 years doing security contracting and know for a fact starting salary for pajeets/grads is circa £30K and that's on the low end. Seen a few guys walk straight into £40-50K jobs, yes, straight from that social club you soys call uni.

OP why lie?

[Anonymous No.11251880]

>>11246923
right

[Anonymous No.11251905]

>>11246923

How are you britcucks so poor? How is it that a fucking software dev makes the equivalent of 40k USD starting, and likely gets taxed at 50% while paying over 1k a month on rent? In the US you make bare minimum 75k your first year. I feel sorry for britcucks.

[Anonymous No.11252181]

>>11251905
>How?
Open borders and gibsmedat

[Anonymous No.11252202]

>>11249070
This is right true lad, I know a mate here in London who started a job as a jr back end dev with a -15k salary. It sucks but I heard he's up to just -2k now.

[Anonymous No.11252232]

>>11246923
You should have sold yourself. " Yes, you can hire some desperate fresh college Gard, And that's the kind of work you will get-inexperienced and not stable. Hire me for 30k and you will have the output of 3 men. I guarantee it-no, my portfolio does".

[Anonymous No.11252320]

>>11248931
This. UK is on the brink of collapse. If they go through with brexit that'll speed up the collapse IMMENSELY. Get the fuck out of there as soon as you're able, anons. We're all incels so we won't have GFs holding us down here.

[Anonymous No.11252330]

>>11246923
sounds like a sham of a company. bullet dodged.

[Anonymous No.11252338]

>>11246923
should have just told them to hire the guys that will take 15k then

[Anonymous No.11252372]

>>11252330

Exactly.

If they undercut your salary at entry and you take the job because you are desperate, they will just dangle a carrot on the stick. You'll never make it up to a decent pay - you'll get sweated for years with shit pay rises until you even break a normal salary.

[Anonymous No.11252437]

>>11246938
nigga what...

no reputable developer would work for 15k/yr
do yourself a favor and look at glassdoor for actual salaries