/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.11137725]

Why is anarcho-capitalism bad?

[Anonymous No.11137773]

It's not.

[Anonymous No.11137805]

>>11137725
Because it has no basis in reality and only works in theory when actual people aren't involved much like communism.

[Anonymous No.11137809]

1. it's a meme ideology
2. requires one to have super narrow perspective to believe

[Anonymous No.11137854]

Its not-feudalism made by monarchist larpers

[Anonymous No.11137871]

>>11137725
It's not. Well, at least it's not as bad as anarcho communism lmao

[Anonymous No.11137908]

>>11137805
how would you know? _real_ capitalism has never been tried.

[Anonymous No.11137925]

>>11137908
It's being tried right now, and it's fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.11137931]

>>11137725
Because of morals.

[Anonymous No.11137983]

>>11137805
Capitalism has been tried, as well as communism.
We live in a mixed economy with both voluntary and coercive exchange of value.
Whenever and wherever there was more capitalism, civilization thrived. Communism devastated every society that tried to maximize it.
We just need to maximize capitalism, and that includes abolishing the state which is the primary violator of private property.

[Anonymous No.11137984]

>>11137773
fpbp

[Anonymous No.11137987]

>>11137925
is this bait?

[Anonymous No.11137994]

>>11137983
>abolishing the state
Never going to happen lol

[Anonymous No.11138002]

>>11137805
>thinking you are not already in an an-cap world

Name 1 banker serving time in prison. You won't find any, the phajeet fall guy does the time and his family get paid.

[Anonymous No.11138005]

>>11137725
anarcho-capitalism was already tried. something like a state inevitably forms, and if there are many equal in size they fight for territory until one wins. you can either be in denial and get overrun by a marauding gang or accept the a more vague, pervasive but relatively secular gang that is the state, which has mechanisms for growth and containment

[Anonymous No.11138007]

>>11137987
>HURR DURR MUH CAPITALIZM
The only people I ever see complain about "capitalism" are fucking losers who would be dead under any other system.
:)

[Anonymous No.11138015]

>>11137994
It's happening all the time, in every voluntary interaction.

[Anonymous No.11138016]

>>11137725
There's no such thing as anarchism. If you dissolve the big government, all that will happen is a different form of government will take over.

[Anonymous No.11138057]

>>11137983
The only reasonable excuse for removing the state is to create a better one. Anarcho anything is fucking retarded because a state like structure always forms. Its true across the entirety of humanity. You will be living in small communities until a bunch of communities band together and annihilate and absorb your small one creating a brand new state.

Which is not to forget outside forces such as other nations that would quickly move in and knock over whatever was made. Its the biggest sticking point in any arguments that can be made for it. It only works on the small scale and only in a bubble. Whatever company ended up being the strongest on the block would form a new state or it would be conquered by a foreign nation.

[Anonymous No.11138060]

>>11138005
>it's 1900, making a heavier-than-air aircraft has been tried before and never worked
>we should just accept horse carriages, which is a tried and therefore the only possible mechanism of transportation

[Anonymous No.11138069]

>>11138007
what? I asked you because the system that we have now is some majorly fucked abomination that was raped to death by regulation, taxation, tariffs, welfare, and pretty much every totalitarian evil you can imagine. The only awesome part about it is how well it works given how little freedom is left.

[Anonymous No.11138110]

>>11138057
But anon my community and private security company will be richer and therefore stronger than any government thanks to the enormous productivity of a completely free market.

[Anonymous No.11138112]

>>11138069
I want to type out an argument but I'm so tired. Just know that you're wrong, okay?

[Anonymous No.11138114]

>>11138060
tinkering with and object made out of and with things you can hold in your hand and use tools is way different ballgame than regulating the behavior of millions, if not billions of people

[Anonymous No.11138120]

>>11138016
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.11138136]

>>11137725
With the introduction of defentralized smart contracts and currency it is humanity's future, whether anyone likes it or not. Most are too dumb to see 3 steps ahead tho

[Anonymous No.11138142]

The natural state of human societies is anarcho capitalism, but it does not last very long rofl

[Anonymous No.11138162]

>>11138110
>baselessly assuming it will be your community instead of the neighboring one or one of the other thousands in your country
narcissist

[Anonymous No.11138163]

>>11138112
no u

[Anonymous No.11138177]

bitcoin is anarcho-capitalism
retarded kids think anarchy is about burning garbage cans, drawing A graffitis, rioting, being edgy and crazy, but there's no inherent violence in the concept of anarcho-capitalism. bitcoin is the fruit of the cypherpunk movement, anarchists who believe the way to removing the state is by building defensive technology rather than attacking current power structures. once you build networks where anonymity can't be unmasked, speech can't be censored, money can't be blocked and programs can't be stopped, you've removed the threat of violence that is prerequisite to the existence of any government

[Anonymous No.11138189]

>>11138162
>narcissistic projection
why is it that narcissists flock to meme ideologies

[Anonymous No.11138206]

>>11138177
there's economic pressure that can freely supplant violence with same effect

[Anonymous No.11138211]

>>11138177
Is that why it doesn't work? Isn't even sufficient for the trading volume of a medium-sized grocery store. So much in-fighting that people refuse any proposals to increase block size, speed, etc.. all because of "muh Satoshi's vision"

I can't help but think that a true product of capitalism would be more efficient and have less idol worship and groupthink.

[Anonymous No.11138214]

>>11138110
>my community and private security company will be richer and therefore stronger than any government thanks to the enormous productivity of a completely free market.
There is a limit to productivity and you are venturing into fantasy land again.

If you remove the government the market is not completely free. That is stupid to think so. It becomes whoever has the most firepower decides for your given area. It would be corporate warlords fighting and killing each other and people.

Comcast suddenly has no restrictions? Great they hire mercs and shoot anyone using a different cable company in their territories and make their service worse. Chinese and Russians decide to invade and kill large swathes of the country that will not unite and have zero unified response. A PMC which offers protection services for some customers sees another group trying offer theirs and kills them all and threatens their customers if they talk to any other PMCs they are going to die.

[Anonymous No.11138216]

>>11138114
You're saying human interactions are different from technology in that they're immune from progress?

[Anonymous No.11138225]

>>11137908
No capitalist in existence would claim that we've never tried "real" capitalism. Capitalists acknowledge the flaws of capitalism and work to resolve them, unlike socialists who constantly blame external factors and never take responsibility for the miserable failures of their ideology.

[Anonymous No.11138228]

>>11138177
Based and redpilled.

50 years from now large centralized states won't exist. America, China, Russia will all be broken up into many different states, maybe even city-states

Once crypto fungibly scales there is literally no other choice

[Anonymous No.11138261]

>>11138216
an object like a plane, you can adjust and tinker with its properties like the wings, propeller size, the engine, and so on. humans you cannot do that. its anarchism's fundamental philosophy to not control society. thats where the analogy fails

[Anonymous No.11138275]

Anarcho-capitalism is impossible.

True capitalism will give rise to economic inequality between the working class and the private owners of the capital produced by the working class. From there, it is logical for these private owners to capitalize further by forming a state to secure their interests (crony-capitalism). A state will always rise from capitalism.

The optimal form of government would be free market anti-capitalism which is a stateless society that follows a free market. Businesses in this society have a flat structure so the workers own the means of production.

[Anonymous No.11138279]

>>11138214
>Great they hire mercs and shoot anyone using a different cable company in their territories and make their service worse.

wow, you are like an economic genius or something. U should totally write a book.

[Anonymous No.11138283]

>>11138214
But a government is exactly that, a gang that has the most firepower in a given area. Its power rests only on coercion and people being brainwashed to not fight back. A private security company becomes big and powerful because of how successful it is in protecting its customers, which is why it will be stronger than a thieving government.

[Anonymous No.11138299]

>>11138261
>humans you cannot do that
your class bias is showing. Literally the reason why upper-middle class children gravitate towards punk so heavily.

[Anonymous No.11138300]

Will crypto currency soon make the state obsolete?

[Anonymous No.11138302]

>>11138275
Most retarded post in this thread, so far. Good job

[Anonymous No.11138306]

>>11138261
>humans you cannot do that
So there is no difference between modern society and the stone age?

[Anonymous No.11138325]

>>11138302
Excellent rebuttal. You embody 4chan and that's not a good thing.

[Anonymous No.11138332]

>>11138325
>post retarded thing
>get called retarded
>act surprised when you're not taken seriously
lol

[Anonymous No.11138344]

>>11138279
Economics don't really come into play when the companies in question have more resources than the other guys offering the same thing and are free to shoot the people that don't comply.

>>11138283
> private security company becomes big and powerful because of how successful it is in protecting its customers, which is why it will be stronger than a thieving government.
That is a faulty assumption. Its like saying african warlords become powerful due to their ability to protect the african people. They become powerful because they have the firepower to assure their dominance.

Its going to be involuntary regardless because who holds the guns doesn't matter as they are still the ones making the decisions. You also have this weird idea of the economy working in the same way in this system when it really woudn't. You would have barons and warlords of areas demanding certain fees which could range from slight to massive for any number of reasons.

This is pure fantasy nonsense.

[Anonymous No.11138351]

>>11138325
he's right though, Samuel Edward Konkin III

[Anonymous No.11138367]

>>11138332
>>11137908
I know most of your posts in this thread are bait but I'll try a little more. How do you think real capitalism is being tried right now? Post a thoughtful response to this or be exposed.

[Anonymous No.11138374]

>>11138344
>shooting potential customers

only statists can be this retarded

[Anonymous No.11138380]

>>11138367
I meant
>>11137925

[Anonymous No.11138392]

>>11138367
Uh oh, looks like I'm exposed! Pee pee poo poo!

>>11138374
Find it slightly humorous that a book titled "Basic Economics" shares the colors of a retarded meme ideology that doesn't know or care about economics, kek

[Anonymous No.11138397]

>>11138374
Shooting them and selling their valuables for more than they would have gotten for the service is also viable in this economy. It doubly serves the purposes of showing the other customers that you aren't joking.

[Anonymous No.11138408]

>>11138306
you're asking something different now. your original analogy drew an equivalence between a mechanical object and a society. the ancap proposal explicitly forbids controlling or tinkering with people in a similar way

i dont believe it is even possible to do such a thing especially in long term (1000s of years) and wide scales but that is an issue aside

[Anonymous No.11138412]

>>11138306
society changed, human nature didnt
no one said society cant evolve, merely that you cant isolate and change the things you dislike like you can with a physical object
any change made will come with dozens of unforseen consequences evidenced by: every cult, religion, ideology, political movement, and every other ideological person/group that tried to manipulate human nature to suit their beliefs

[Anonymous No.11138428]

>>11138344
African warlords become powerful because they prey on their population's notion that they're needed. If people like you stopped licking the government's ass and stopped paying taxes, converted all their fiat to crypto, engaged in dark market trade and if entrepreneurs created private security businesses to protect them from government's coercion, the warlords both in Africa and America would be defunded and defeated.

[Anonymous No.11138460]

>>11138110

If you want an idea of what a completely free market looks like, look at the Latin American drug cartels. You’re gonna be cucked either by the government or some big capitalist enterprise, you can’t win either way. The best solution is to have a balance of the two and do as much as you can to prevent government and corporations from having 1:1 interests so they keep each other in check.

[Anonymous No.11138471]

>>11138408
I'm asking you why you think society can't improve when it demonstrably has over history. Ancap only forbids coercion, not people influencing each other through economic incentives on the free market.

[Anonymous No.11138472]

>>11138460
We don't post reasonable things here. Only extremist views. Shoo

[Anonymous No.11138483]

Reminder that Ancaps manchildren are just as retarded as commies, but actually even worse because they actually exist

[Anonymous No.11138489]

>>11138428
>If everyone were perfectly intelligent and will to take the exact same risks and the governments and similar bodies completely ignored them my ideology would work
Like I said its pure fantasy. For extra points explain how property rights, law and justice would work in this system. For extra double points try to explain how to deal with foreign nations in detail instead of going "My totally free capitalist economy cannot be beaten".

Remember that anarcho-cap doesn't scale and are incapable of a unified reaction assuming they even wanted to and weren't paid by foreign parties to not intercede.

[Anonymous No.11138494]

>>11138471
>people influencing each other through economic incentives on the free market DOESNT morph into coercion readily

[Anonymous No.11138497]

>>11138483
what
they both exist

[Anonymous No.11138505]

>>11138497
Nah, you see a lot of social democrats and faggot marxists

But Ancaps are everywhere on this site and in life, Fucking retarded children

[Anonymous No.11138508]

>>11138428
lmao you are so out of touch with reality

>guys all you have to do is dissent to the warlords and they’ll lose all their power
right
>dur just make your own security business
with what money? the warlords? I guess you could get some rich prince to steal some of a warlord’s resources and start a war against them, but if that gets too hard then you can just take resources from the population
why do you think they’re called warlords and not lords?

[Anonymous No.11138509]

>>11138392

[Anonymous No.11138526]

>>11138471
we probably depart on definitions of "improve."

you probably mean quality of life in terms of diseases, access to food and increasing technology. i mean spiritually and culturally. there is nothing improved about today's society over say, ancient greece. i dont care about an abundance of technology when all it does is feed people entertainment garbage that rots the human soul

[Anonymous No.11138531]

>>11138471
>Ancap only forbids coercion
It forbids government coercion and that is it because it isn't supposed to have a government. It is fucking rife with every other form of it and will inevitably form its own government structure and stop being ancap because people get tired of all the fucking extortion and death.

[Anonymous No.11138533]

>>11138397
I'm sorry, but have you ever met a human?

[Anonymous No.11138547]

>>11138533
You can't say the government isn't threatening you and your livelihood you if you don't toe the line and then turn right around and say corporations won't do the exact same thing.

[Anonymous No.11138551]

>>11137725
They would clearly just rob him

[Anonymous No.11138554]

Capitalism literally requires a state to even exist. The US founding fathers understood this perfectly well.

It's only basement dwelling autistic larpers in 2018 who even entertain the notion of "stateless capitalism".

[Anonymous No.11138559]

>>11138412
What's human nature, genetics? But our biology is not the only thing that makes us who we are, it's culture that has changed tremendously over human history and can be improved further.
Although on that note ancap would also improve the gene pool as it would stop the government from robbing the productive and giving their money to single moms and 3rd world immigrants.

[Anonymous No.11138567]

>>11138531
this.

anarcho-capitalist society will always form a state. there is nothing to prevent it

[Anonymous No.11138577]

>>11138554
but ... but we'd all agree to be nice to each other and respect the NAP

[Anonymous No.11138626]

>>11138554
At the most basic level the government exists to protect the interests of the people as a whole against threats both foreign and domestic. Which means protecting from foreign nations and acting as arbitration between would-be corporate warlords.

Ancaps is retarded because they think the solution is to remove the government and it will solve every problem. It will only create more and governments are inevitable and required for societies to function outside of small groups. Fix the government so that it fits the needs of the people and provides the very vital services that governments provide.

Its trying to fix a leg wound by cutting off your leg instead of removing the arrow.

[Anonymous No.11138635]

>>11138547
you realise the moment you start shooting people you create an incentive for people to shoot you? also why offer any service at all when you're already in the business of harvesting other people's property. sure enough in your world people only generate value once and there's no benefit to having a constant stream of income - so I guess yaeh, what you said makes total sense for a company.
also companies aren't made of people so they don't hesitate to murder their neighbours because they totally do not exist.

do yourself a favour and leave the basement once in a while.

[Anonymous No.11138654]

>>11138577
the nap is the practical expression of the winning strategy to a constant game of prisoners dilemma.

[Anonymous No.11138662]

>>11137725
because we are social creatures, but what would ancap autists know about this? They live inside their own bubbles and money is their religion

[Anonymous No.11138667]

>>11138635
>you realise the moment you start shooting people you create an incentive for people to shoot you
What people? The ones without a well armed strike force that don't live in heavily fortified buildings like you do?
>lso why offer any service at all when you're already in the business of harvesting other people's property. sure enough in your world people only generate value once and there's no benefit to having a constant stream of income
Its almost like I said to send a message to other customers. Its a way to get value from a potential customer that was not interested in your services while also securing your existing customer bases
>o I guess yaeh, what you said makes total sense for a company.
also companies aren't made of people so they don't hesitate to murder their neighbours because they totally do not exist.
Governments are made of people too. I guess they never do anything bad either.

[Anonymous No.11138678]

>>11138567
Oh, shut the fuck up. You're the same retard in this thread who said that we should have a shitty commie/free market hybrid (What?) devoid of a state... yet in such a system, a state will always form eventually. There is nothing to prevent it.
Check mate you dumb fucking nigger.

[Anonymous No.11138707]

>>11138554
>>11138567
I used to believe this, but if decentralized smart contracts properly scale with fungibility, then I don't think a state can survive in anything other than a ceremonial form

[Anonymous No.11138709]

>>11138489
Property rights would obviously work better without the institutionalized monopoly on property rights violation that is the government. Security firms would simply enforce the private law of property owners and contracts between them.
I already explained that peaceful productive behavior generates more wealth for those that embrace it most fully, that's why if they invest it in guns they become more powerful than governments who leech off of their impoverished slaves. Companies enter into partnereships to achieve common goals all the time, similarly multiple security firms and private jurisdictions will form coalitions.

[Anonymous No.11138715]

>>11138626
>Its trying to fix a leg wound by cutting off your leg instead of removing the arrow.

That analogy only works if the leg is not part of the original organism, like if the leg was forcibly attached, and it does nothing but waste your blood and is additional risk.

If you didn't have the artificial third leg, the arrow that was shot at you wouldn't have hit you, AND you'd be able to freely hunt whomever it is that shot the arrow at you.

[Anonymous No.11138720]

>>11138678
Wrong. Crypto and decentralized smart contracts have completely changed the game. I was a libertarian until I learned about BTC, at which point I finally became a crypto-anarchist. There's no stopping this train except for the destruction of humanity itself at this point

[Anonymous No.11138737]

As I keep repeating, those who don't believe anarcho-capitalist isn't possible need to take into consideration truly decentralized smart contracts and fungible decentealized currency.

[Anonymous No.11138763]

>>11138559
yes it is biology. culture can make people conform, but only while they are being watched and held accountable
with no standard to be held to, and no people to hold others to such a standard chaos breaks out

thats why people start looting during natural disasters or martial law, no one really cares and are just pretending
everyone is out for themselves an conforming is a form of doing this

[Anonymous No.11138765]

>>11138667
>Its almost like I said to send a message to other customers. Its a way to get value from a potential customer that was not interested in your services while also securing your existing customer bases

hmm, they killed my best friend. I better buy their service and do not chip in to my neighbours attempt to collect money for a security provider that eliminates this thread to our collective lives. Also that other cable provider who offers protection against comcast suddenly doesn't look a lot more attractive, because the free market isn't a market place of solutions to problems people face.


>Governments are made of people too. I guess they never do anything bad either.

you're actually right - and they even do everything you said: they offer inferior services, imprison and murder people when they don't pay up, are generally very inefficient, steal from you and have a monopoly on force. gee, if only I could turn this into an argument against having states.

[Anonymous No.11138774]

>>11138626
Not just that, but the basic function of defending capitalist property rights.

How would a business owner maintain ownership and control over the means of production without a state?

What if his workers decided one day to no longer listed to his orders, self organise their workplace, take control of production themselves, set their own working hours/conditions/wages, etc?

In the absence of the state and its armies of goons ready to come and squash any attempted worker uprising, capitalists would be completely powerless.

The state is the most important thing for capitalism's mere existence. AnCaps are pretty much the most retarded group of larpers in history, yes even more retarded than Marxists IMO.

[Anonymous No.11138779]

>>11138720
What is this rubbish ideology membership talk. This collapsing of complex events into brainlet digested form isn't conductive to anything besides squabbling on the internet.

[Anonymous No.11138784]

>>11138709
>Security firms will simply enforce the private law of property owners and the contracts between them
Private law established and interpreted by who? Someone who I can pay for an outcome I want? Yes obviously
> that's why if they invest it in guns they become more powerful than governments who leech off of their impoverished slaves
I don't know if you know this but making a plane takes a lot of resources from around the country and world and the number of trade agreements that go into it are massive. Each and every company would have to create their own trade agreement with every country involved. But lets ignore all that because it requires big think
>Companies enter into partnereships to achieve common goals all the time, similarly multiple security firms and private jurisdictions will form coalitions.
Congratulations you have a government in the making. They are enforcing law and enforcing rights against the will of those under it.

[Anonymous No.11138793]

>>11138526
Morally, there is less murder and coercion now than ever before in human history, look it up.
The majority of people are now wealthy enough to think about more than just food and have time for intellectual pursuits.
Ancient Greece had slavery and constant wars.
What is "spiritually?"

[Anonymous No.11138803]

>>11138765
>hmm, they killed my best friend. I better buy their service and do not chip in to my neighbours attempt to collect money for a security provider that eliminates this thread to our collective lives
Comcast has more money than you and everyone you know and already has a contract with every security provider that could threaten them to not to interfere in their customer interactions.

[Anonymous No.11138808]

>>11138678
Pee pee poo poo!

>>11138707
If you're talking about ethereum then sorry because that's already centralized

[Anonymous No.11138816]

>>11138737
>don't believe anarcho-capitalist isn't possible

[Anonymous No.11138823]

>>11138784
Established by the property owner and/or the contractual jurisdiction he chose to be part of.
Are you talking about trade agreements between governments? But they only exist in the first place if governments restrict free trade.
How does people and companies entering into voluntary partnerships equal government?

[Anonymous No.11138852]

>>11138808
>Pee pee poo poo!
Nice rebuttal. You embody the blah blah blah

[Anonymous No.11138860]

>>11138763
>only while they are being watched and held accountable
Anarcho-capitalists want to eliminate the state precisely because it is immune from being held accountable as its power rests on coercion and it gives itself permission to steal and enslave while pretending to protect people from those things.
You also changed the topic. The original claim I was responding to was "ancap cannot be implemented because it hasn't been," which is demonstrated false by any example of breakthrough progress where none had existed previously.

[Anonymous No.11138863]

>>11138823
>Established by the property owner and/or the contractual jurisdiction he chose to be part of.
Great I don't like how this is going to turn out for me so I'm deciding I don't want to be part of this jurisdiction anymore. What are you going to do shoot me and take my property like some sort of government? Its all voluntary.
>Are you talking about trade agreements between governments? But they only exist in the first place if governments restrict free trade.
Trade agreements exist between companies and countries as well in addition to governments but why would you know that
>How does people and companies entering into voluntary partnerships equal government?
It isn't voluntary if the result of not entering those contracts is death or worse. It is still coercion which is the same as any government.

[Anonymous No.11138884]

>>11138803
you ever heard the words 'competition'? McSecurity has. Ever heard of 'cost-analysis' or 'profitability'? The guy who pays for comcast's private army has.

[Anonymous No.11138891]

>>11138823
>How does people and companies entering into voluntary partnerships equal government?

If they are voluntary partnerships then that's not government, true. But then who mediates inevitable disputes between these partnerships

[Anonymous No.11138918]

>>11138860
Still boggles my mind how you can't understand that it would take a hundredth of the effort and be more sustainable to create a better government than it would be to create an ancap society.

>>11138884
Ever heard of the world collusion? Companies are more profitable than individuals as stated and that does not mean they are giving more to their workers though they might be.

It is more cost effective to simply buy the PMCs contracts for an area so they are free to operate and the PMC would be making far more than servicing individuals in the area.

[Anonymous No.11138963]

>>11138531
No, it would not differentiate between government and non-government coercion, because there is no difference, and that's the whole point of anarcho-capitalist political philosophy.
Security firms are driven by profit and they only get paid when they provide you with good service, otherwise you take your business elsewhere. Which is why thanks to competition you would have much higher security from thugs in an anarcho-capitalist society, for the same reason private supermarkets have more better and cheaper food than Soviet state-monopolized grocery stores.

[Anonymous No.11138978]

>>11138918

> giving more to their workers

gosh, you do not have any idea how markets work, do you?

anyway, fucking leave me alone. you're retarded and talking out of your ass. you do not even understand how competition works.

[Anonymous No.11138995]

>>11137725

Because it’s a meme ideology endorsed only by brainlets and sociopaths who are too fucking stupid or heartless to see the obvious flaws. It relies on the profit motive to have the same level of influence and control as God when people and the world itself is more complicated than that. For example, under true ancap, there is absolutely nothing to stop some rich bastard from building an automated factory somewhere cheap and then poisoning the entire world’s environment to an extinction-level event shortly after the end of the owner’s life. Why should he give a fuck if we all die if he’s gone, too?

[Anonymous No.11139010]

>>11138963
>Security firms are driven by profit and they only get paid when they provide you with good service,
You really don't get it do you? They get paid whenever they get paid and for whatever they are being paid for. Is it for providing services to individuals? Maybe. Will it probably be for enforcing corporate policy and will in a given area? Almost certainly. Don't forget making contracts that require you to use the company provided security services and how they already made a deal with other companies in the area so you cannot find a job elsewhere.

You can't even imagine the corporate hell it would be can you? It is more profitable for security services to serve companies than it will ever be for them to serve individuals.

>>11138978
I'm not the moron who thinks that other governments don't exist and that if government didn't exist everything would work out perfectly.

[Anonymous No.11139030]

>>11138863
If you don't want to be part of a jurisdiction, you leave as per the terms of the contract. Where did you get the idea that not entering into contracts results in "death or worse?"
Again, if companies can make their own trade agreements voluntarily, why is there a need for trade agreements between governments, which only exist to ease their own protectionism-driven coercive restrictions on free trade?

[Anonymous No.11139050]

>>11138918
>Still boggles my mind how you can't understand that it would take a hundredth of the effort and be more sustainable to create a better government than it would be to create an ancap society.
It probably takes less effort to subdue a cancer than to treat it, but it's certainly ideal and not sustainable to keep it in your body.

[Anonymous No.11139059]

>>11139030
>If you don't want to be part of a jurisdiction, you leave as per the terms of the contract
Or I just leave outside of the terms of the contract. What are you going to do otherwise? Coerce me?
>Where did you get the idea that not entering into contracts results in "death or worse?"
Pay for protection and security or be thrown to the wolves.
>if companies can make their own trade agreements voluntarily, why is there a need for trade agreements between governments
Other governments exist that will deals will need to be made with. Why is this so hard to get?

[Anonymous No.11139062]

>>11139050
*not ideal

[Anonymous No.11139063]

>>11139010
>the reason we need government is to protect us from governments
>I'm not the moron

[Anonymous No.11139075]

>>11139050
>It probably takes less effort to subdue a cancer than to treat it, but it's certainly ideal and not sustainable to keep it in your body.
Governments aren't a cancer anymore than a family is. Its the next step in the community hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.11139083]

>>11137725
>>11137773
because race and IQ
and demographics
if the world were only autistic whites then it would be feasable but in our lifetimes the west will be lost if people ignore the real problem of demographics

I was ancap until I realised economics and personal freedom is temporary but civilisation and the white race should be eternal

[Anonymous No.11139106]

>>11139063
Would you rather I use the term groups of people that banded together under a single banner and cause with mutually exclusive goals? Because China doesn't give a fuck what you think about how the state shouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.11139134]

>>11139010
If a security company goes rogue and sells racketeering for hire rather than protection, it loses reputation, customers, profit, and faces action from actual security companies. Market selection over time makes such a scenario increasingly less likely in the first place.

> It is more profitable for security services to serve companies than it will ever be for them to serve individuals.

Which is why Walmart doesn't exist and isn't the top-earning company in the world, as it's more profitable to run fancy restaurants, right? The market is not a winner-takes-it-all, it has niches.

[Anonymous No.11139163]

>>11139106
you don't think china's existence is a problem?

[Anonymous No.11139187]

>>11139075
>Governments aren't a cancer anymore than a family is.
Sane people form families voluntarily by marrying the person they love, which is like the free market, not at the point of a gun.
You're talking about Muslim forced weddings, maybe? Now that would be exactly like a government.

[Anonymous No.11139214]

>>11139134
>If a security company goes rogue and sells racketeering for hire rather than protection, it loses reputation, customers, profit, and faces action from actual security companies.
You made a terrible mistake here. You made the assumption that what security companies were selling were protection. That is a dumb mistake that only idealists make.

Security companies are selling FORCE. They are selling their ability to project force in a variety of ways be it to protect something or to destroy something else. Your problem is that your mind has setup all these rules about how it will work but it is bullshit that you created using the framework of the current system.

Security companies sell force period. How that is used is up to the people paying for it.

>>11139163
Oh absolutely but unity will always beat out bickering profiteering with no real overarching goal other than profit which doesn't have to align with keeping an ancap state running and probably won't because they are globe spanning.

[Anonymous No.11139253]

>>11139187
Its an implicit contract which you are still free to leave at any time which you were inducted to as the price for being taken care of as a child. Literally nothing is stopping you from revoking citizenship though. Go start an Ancap society in africa.

[Anonymous No.11139297]

>>11139059
I think I answered your question already, no anarcho-capitalist would force you to enter a contract and that wouldn't be a contract in the first place. If by "thrown to the wolves" you mean it's your own responsibility to pay for and ensure your safety by making security arrangements with other people, absolutely.
>Other governments exist that will deals will need to be made with.
So you recognize that governments existing creates barriers for free trade, which is one of the reasons to opposte the existence of governments, and which has been my argument all along.
It's getting late where I live so I need to go.

[Anonymous No.11139307]

>>11139214
idk, the bickering capitalists all row in the same direction: profits - and when it comes to alignments and profits than not being taxed or coerced can be extremely well aligned with keeping states out. (though on the other hand rent seeking can be very profitable as well ...).

Probably it all comes down to how much damage / costs can ancapistan inflict on invading china - or maybe ancapistan just buys them up. who knows?

[Anonymous No.11139314]

>>11138142

This. Humans used to live like that. As cavemen. If we look at history we see how well that worked out. Now I'll just sit back and let the retards tell me how this logic is wrong in this case but ok when it comes to communism lol. Go ahead.

[Anonymous No.11139325]

>>11139297
Trade will never be free even without governments and everyone but ancaps realize that.

Also >>11139214
Or maybe it is the reason you suddenly need to go.

[Anonymous No.11139389]

>>11139325
>Free trade is a trade policy that does not restrict imports or exports; it is the idea of the free market as applied to international trade.

>hurr durr, without government there will be no import / export restrictions.

[Anonymous No.11139394]

>>11137725

it's funny until you have to pay the medical bill.

[Anonymous No.11139403]

>>11139394

[Anonymous No.11139409]

>>11139214
Force can be used for protection or aggression, and that's the difference between a security company and a government/gang.
Like I explained before extensively, those who engage in productive peaceful behavior end up wealthier and more powerful than those who engage in racketeering and destruction, and can therefore beat them. Which is why over time through this simple economic mechanism the market and society are purged and refined.
Gtg now

[Anonymous No.11139410]

It's bad one you're over 20 and you've left your parents place. So there's really no point arguing about it on here.

[Anonymous No.11139444]

>>11139409
> those who engage in productive peaceful behavior end up wealthier and more powerful than those who engage in racketeering and destruction, and can therefore beat them. Which is why over time through this simple economic mechanism the market and society are purged and refined.
By that logic governments would never exist if they do nothing but destroy and racketeer.

Good job disproving yourself trying to prove another point.

[Anonymous No.11139521]

>>11138428
You're out of touch with reality in a ridiculous way. Makes me happy that faggots like you will never get what you want. America or die

[Anonymous No.11139550]

>>11139521

[Anonymous No.11139554]

>>11137725
it already works like this in some ways given that the state is nothing more than a whore for the companies

[Anonymous No.11139630]

Basically in anarcho-capitalism you'd spend most of your days fighting other warlords/tribes/gangs and the rest of the time would be spent trying to figure out all the scams in the market. The market would literally consist of scams on top of scams.

[Anonymous No.11139706]

>>11139083
>because race and IQ
>and demographics
>if the world were only autistic whites then it would be feasable but in our lifetimes the west will be lost if people ignore the real problem of demographics
>I was ancap until I realised economics and personal freedom is temporary but civilisation and the white race should be eternal


Unfortunately this.

[Anonymous No.11139707]

>>11139630
> The market would literally consist of scams on top of scams.

Gee, I sure can't think of any business model that solves this problem. Why can't people come up with simple solutions to common problems? Especially when they are already solved?

[Anonymous No.11139727]

Because if there is no government then politicians and the crooked businessmen that pay their bribes would have to find real honest jobs.

[Anonymous No.11139747]

>>11137725
because it does not belong to 'Business&Finance'

[Anonymous No.11139756]

>>11139409
>those who engage in productive peaceful behavior end up wealthier and more powerful than those who engage in racketeering and destruction, and can therefore beat them. Which is why over time through this simple economic mechanism the market and society are purged and refined.
That's the funniest bait I've read in months.

[Anonymous No.11139823]

>>11139756
There are people that genuinely believe it and he is one of them.

[Anonymous No.11139993]

>>11139823
you mean a relationship between productivity and wealth and between wealth and power projection?

[Anonymous No.11140142]

>>11139993
>Cries that governments won't let him implement his perfect society that has never naturally occurred or hit any level of prominence despite the claims that it is a superior system that will always be better than a government

Its really strange when people make these claims but lack the self awareness to see that if they were true they wouldn't be in the situation they are railing against what actually happens when people are given choice and the ability to act freely.

[Anonymous No.11140257]

>>11140142
>what actually happens when people are given choice

you mean like when they don't pay taxes when they think they can get away with it? do you see the 'get away with it'? that's right: coercion is no choice.

also your rambling is no argument.

[Anonymous No.11140261]

>>11140257
*not an argument

[Anonymous No.11140274]

>>11138460
>
drug cartels are a symptom of state laws on prohibition

[Anonymous No.11140291]

>In his memoirs, Lee Kuan Yew recounted that as early as 1983, when he was still serving as Prime Minister, a proposal for the ban was brought up to him by the then Minister for National Development.
>Chewing gum was causing serious maintenance problems in high-rise public housing flats, with vandals disposing of spent gum in mailboxes, inside keyholes and even on lift buttons. Chewing gum left on the ground, stairways and pavements in public areas increased the cost of cleaning and damaged cleaning equipment. Gum stuck on the seats of public buses was also considered a problem.
>It was then reported that vandals had begun sticking chewing gum on the door sensors of MRT trains, preventing doors from functioning properly and causing disruption to train services. Such incidents were rare but costly and culprits were difficult to apprehend.

My personal argument against libertarianism: some people, many people in fact, DIRELY NEED to be governed.

[Anonymous No.11140292]

>>11140257
>you mean like when they don't pay taxes when they think they can get away with it? do you see the 'get away with it'? that's right: coercion is no choice.
You could just leave the country and found your own ancap society.

There is nothing rambly about it. You just don't like it. Governments didn't just exist since the beginning of time. Human society all over the planet over the entire course of human society has always created them.

If your society was so great and government free why were they not previously created? Why are you the one bitching on the internet about the government if there is a better system which doesn't involve them and is intrinsically more effective?

If you are so sure again why don't you create your own state which will dominate since it is based on ancap principles? Why are you here instead of out there?

[Anonymous No.11140294]

what is good? what is bad?

[Anonymous No.11140319]

>>11140257
>>11139993
>>11140257
Would all of you autistic faggots shut the fuck up? Seriously you fucking faggots are beyond fucking retarded.

Anarcho-Capitalism is the NATURAL STATE OF MAN.

WHAT HAS PREVENTED ANARCHO CAPITALISM FROM THRIVING HAS BEEN CHRISTIAN SLAVE MORALITY AND CENTRAL BANKING

BUT WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF CRYPTOCURRENCY AND SMART CONTRACTS, NONE OF YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHOICE. ONCE PRIVATE DECENTRALIZED SMART CONTRACT AND CURRENCY PLATFORMS SCALE, EVERY SINGLE LARGE CENTRALIZED STATE WILL FUCKING COLLAPSE AND IT WONT BE A MATTER OF ANYONES FUCKING OPINION

DECENTRALIZED SMART CONTRACT PLATFORMS ARE GOING TO BE A ROCKET UP EVERY NON-ANARCHO-CAPITALISTS ASSHOLE, AND THE PROTOCOL WONT GIVE A FUCK IF YOURE COMMUNIST SOCIALIST LIBERAL REPUBLICAN ETC... IT WONT FUCKING MATTER

ANY STATE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE A SKELETON NIGHT WATCHMAN STATE WILL BE INFEASIBLE TO IMPLEMENT

STOP DISCUSSING MUH FEELS AND MUH IDEAL GOVERNMENT ANS GET BACK TO DISCUSSING THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS NOW: CRYPTO.

/THREAD

[Anonymous No.11140451]

>>11140292
>>11140292
>You could just leave the country and found your own ancap society.

do you actually know anything about libertarianism / ancap or do you just love talking out of your ass? go on google and find out yourself why literally everything you say makes you look like a borderline retard.

> Why are you the one bitching on the internet about the government

why are you bitching about a political philosophy you moron? my reason is taxation and coercion, is yours autism or stupidity.

>If your society was so great and government free why were they not previously created?

that's a very complicated question, but here's the short version: capitalism was invented during the 18th century, states some times before. was that that hard? I

>If you are so sure again why don't you create your own state

did you ever in your life leave your basement? here's a hint: when I buy land and decide to make my own state people from the government come and shoot me dead because they don't like me being sovereign.

[Anonymous No.11140469]

>>11140451
>did you ever in your life leave your basement? here's a hint: when I buy land and decide to make my own state people from the government come and shoot me dead because they don't like me being sovereign.
Yet that somehow changes in an ancap society because? Oh wait it doesn't it takes fairy dust to make all the governments go away and follow your set of rules for no reason other than because to do otherwise would violate the NAP.

Gotcha bucko. Keep railing on the internet while everyone laughs.

[Anonymous No.11140521]

>>11138279
Its true though. Happens all the time with drug dealers; you dont have to undercut your competition's prices, you just have to shoot him in the face with your HiPoint.

Los Zetas is beheading so many people mexico has become more dangerous than some literal warzones.

[Anonymous No.11140538]

>>11138300
I suspect so yes. It will start with monero being used to move money around capital controls. There is huge demand for that.

[Anonymous No.11140543]

>>11140521
Ssssssh. Don't bring real world politics into this. Its his fantasy and the real world can only hurt it. Just know that this won't happen in an ancap society because efficiency and profit! What? That isn't a good enough reason? Fuck of you government bootlicking scum!

[Anonymous No.11140548]

>>11140469
>Gotcha bucko
you realise the topic of this thread is 'Why is anarcho-capitalism bad?' not 'How do we implement ancap?'

> NAP

>The iterated prisoner's dilemma game is fundamental to some theories of human cooperation and trust.

>Interest in the iterated prisoner's dilemma (IPD) was kindled by Robert Axelrod in his book The Evolution of Cooperation (1984). In it he reports on a tournament he organized of the N step prisoner's dilemma (with N fixed) in which participants have to choose their mutual strategy again and again, and have memory of their previous encounters.

>The winning deterministic strategy was tit for tat, which Anatol Rapoport developed and entered into the tournament. It was the simplest of any program entered, containing only four lines of BASIC, and won the contest. The strategy is simply to cooperate on the first iteration of the game; after that, the player does what his or her opponent did on the previous move.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat

[Anonymous No.11140564]

>>11140521
>>11140274

[Anonymous No.11140589]

>>11140548
>Humans are completely rational beings which will act rationally at all times
Great. Good thing there are no genocides or anything.

You have to be one of the most out of touch people on here.

[Anonymous No.11140603]

>>11140589
Read my fucking post you socialist scum, crypto is going to force ANARCHO capitalism where you like it or not you fucking retard >>11140319

[Anonymous No.11140633]

>>11140589
All of your autistic theories about what a state should be literally rely upon a central bank issuing fiat currency to fund bullshit gov programs. Guess what? Once that dies so does your faggy autism. Bend over and prepare to accept the long penor of crypto and DECENTRALIZATION up your gay low iq liberal ass

[Anonymous No.11140650]

>>11140603
>>11140633
You are really swinging in the wrong direction. I'm a capitalist that realizes the problem that capitalism without oversight creates. IE roving corporate warlords and a hellscape.

Smart contracts and decentralization don't solve jackshit unless they are connected to robots with guns.

[Anonymous No.11140662]

>>11140589
>Good thing there are no genocides or anything.

that's another nice thing states do. why are you so much better at making arguments against their existence than I am? well, anyway, since you obviously haven't looked into the wikipedia article I linked here a wall of text:

>Studies in the prosocial behaviour of animals have led many ethologists and evolutionary psychologists to apply tit-for-tat strategies to explain why altruism evolves in many animal communities. Evolutionary game theory, derived from the mathematical theories formalised by von Neumann and Morgenstern (1953), was first devised by Maynard Smith (1972) and explored further in bird behaviour by Robert Hinde. Their application of game theory to the evolution of animal strategies launched an entirely new way of analysing animal behaviour.

>Reciprocal altruism works in animal communities where the cost to the benefactor in any transaction of food, mating rights, nesting or territory is less than the gains to the beneficiary. The theory also holds that the act of altruism should be reciprocated if the balance of needs reverse. Mechanisms to identify and punish "cheaters" who fail to reciprocate, in effect a form of tit for tat, are important to regulate reciprocal altruism. For example, tit-for-tat is suggested to be the mechanism of cooperative predator inspection behavior in guppies.

like you probably can guess: tit for tat is a rule that plays out in the long run into peacefulness. as long as the majority of actors act according to it - and they naturally do because that is in their interest - it works.

[Anonymous No.11140679]

>>11140650
you're no capitalist. you're just another light-fascist who's to stupid to understand dynamic systems. a npc really. also you have zero understanding of economics.

[Anonymous No.11140692]

>>11140650
Lol, you are unbelievably short sighted. Play it out retard, what happens when the collar collapses and everyone floods into a scaleable, fungible crypto? Literally none of your autistic opinions matter since big gvoernment will become a relic

[Anonymous No.11140708]

People will ignore your rules, form a government, and legislate taxation to pay for things the majority agrees they want. And it will expand and contract from there.
The government you know and hate today did not fall out of a black hole one day and force itself upon the people. Every government on the planet, every welfare scheme and tax, every public service, all came about with the implicit consent of the people ruled over. Even the repressive ones. The ancap dream could only exist for a fleeting period in a primitive environment, and even then it wouldn't last because irrational hierarchies and tributes have existed as far back as human history goes. Anarchism could only be imposed by an extremely oppressive ruler who defies the principles of anarchy itself and also has enough power to kill all of the people who would disagree with him. One of the popular libertarians talks about this. The only way to stop the ideology from being subverted is violent organization that seems to contradict the ideology itself.

[Anonymous No.11140709]

>>11140662
>>11140679
I think you really need to interact with the world because you are about as intouch with reality as the average communist.

Strange how both Ancaps and communists instantly call anyone who disagrees with them fascists who don't understand anything. Don't worry you will continue to be just as ineffectual as them.

[Anonymous No.11140731]

>>11140692
People with guns will always exist retard. A decentralized money system doesn't change that. Someone is going to concentrate power towards themselves as has happened throughout human history.

[Anonymous No.11140822]

>>11140709
>I think

I think you need to read a book or two on economics.

I call you fascist because you argue for a managed economy (that will inevitably result in a economy run in the interest of the state). The reason I say you don't understand shit is because that is what you tell me with your replies and arguments.

You are no capitalist because you don't know shit about capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11140847]

>>11140822
>You are no capitalist because you don't know shit about capitalism.
>No true scotsman fallacy
Oh you are a joy. Enjoy being cucked by your failure to understand anything about the actual world. Don't worry you will grow out of it one day. You can talk with the ex-commies about how you were both deluded in your own way. It will be a good day for you.

[Anonymous No.11140854]

>>11140731
You realize that all government's that existed before central banking were essentially libertarian monarchies? People had much more freedom in 1500's England than they do in America today. What has permitted economies to be manages the way that they are without direct taxation is fiat currency

[Anonymous No.11140855]

>>11137805
This picture is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.11140912]

Ancaps are such autists they cannot form a coherent movement since they cannot get a proper leader who represents them, nor would they like to since they're against any authortity. Such free thinkers but they all resort to two or three authors who are either dead or could not give two shits.
Face it, hierarchy and authoritary figures are the rule, not the exception, in the entire history of mankind. You cannot even fathom to establish any of your ideals without any sort of cooperation. If you somehow could, you would all jew each other out of your property until only the most ruthless ruled in a global plutocracy.
Your demented ideal of a 'society' where only money speaks is as materialist as the communist you oppose. The big state boot you fear is nothing compared to the power of unlimited wealth in a nationless, stateless, lawless and weaponized world. You autists would be the first to head to the slave camps to work for pennies cause thats what you're really worth in your dystopia.

[Anonymous No.11140932]

>>11140847
>>You are no capitalist because you don't know shit about capitalism.
>>No true scotsman fallacy

Here's a quote from you, you retard:

>Trade will never be free even without governments and everyone but ancaps realize that.

you're like a three year old who argues he's a firetruck.

[Anonymous No.11140947]

>>11140912
Decentralized protocols will be our leader. Once they scale humanity moving towards anarchocapitalism will be like a drowning cow flowing out to sea: inevitable

Get fucked retard

[Anonymous No.11140950]

>>11140912
>Face it, hierarchy and authoritary figures are the rule. I love licking boot.

[Anonymous No.11140961]

>>11140912
The world you describe was literally the norm in europe for tens of thousands of years prior to large scale Centralization of the Roman empire

[Anonymous No.11140974]

>>11140932
>If you aren't an ancap you aren't a real capitalist
>Not a true scotsman fallacy
Try again.

>>11140950
You are literally too dumb to realize you are fighting human nature because it violates your fantasies.

[Anonymous No.11141030]

>>11140974
Once decentralized smart contract platforms scale government outside of basic enforcement of contracts will literally be obsolete

[Anonymous No.11141033]

>>11140950
You faggots love licking jew boot. Murray, Mises, Ayn Rand.. its literally judaism into politics.
By denying rule and goverment you deny the natural inequality among men. Whats worse you seek to increase the weight of money in establishing hierarchies. Where the inferior such as you leeches can scam your way up the ladder of prestige.
Men are not equal. Superior men eventually end up ruling the others. Your masters(jews) found a way to exploit the greed in men to climb up this ladder through mercantilism (buy low sell high) and lending (usury, banks). You try to copy this behaviour and want a society where you would be rewarded the most for this leech like practices. KYS

[Anonymous No.11141045]

>>11140974
yeah, using the general level of knowledge you display as indicator I actually wonder whether you know what the 'true scotsman fallacy' actually is. but hey, at least you're cuck enough to admit that submission is you nature - although you fail to see that most people aren't betas like you.

[Anonymous No.11141063]

>>11141045
You are the beta here sitting around bitching about how the government is keeping you down like a nigger. But you are a big man. Remind yourself every time you wake up in the morning instead of doing something and making your ideals a reality instead of waiting for better men to do it for you.

Oh wait you can't. You are a child bitching on the internet.

[Anonymous No.11141084]

>>11140912
Fuck Anon, can you delete this?...Its to good for /biz/

[Anonymous No.11141099]

>>11141033
so ... I suppose you're poor and probably also otherwise a failure in life? is that what you're trying to say, because that's how you come across ...

oh, and also what you're defending is pic related.

[Anonymous No.11141123]

>>11141063

say, do you think your constant repeating-yourself might be indicative of you being a actual npc?

[Anonymous No.11141134]

>>11141099
You should be thankful you dont live in your ancap utopia. Fuckers like you think you'd be having field day trading stocks/shitcoins or hiring cheap labor for your business. No, your real world utility would be determined instantly by the (now fully established) free market: not even McDonald worthy. Off with the other kids to the slave gold mines.

[Anonymous No.11141189]

>>11141134
>bibibibibi, I'm a very tough person on the internet

ok, so you're saying you will be better off in ancapistan than me? why aren't you the ancap then? c'mon, let's trade. You'll be the ancap and I'll be the radicalised incel nazi.

[Anonymous No.11141192]

>>11141123
I think you ran out of arguments and don't really have a counter for the fact you literally aren't man enough to implement the society you want.

You are living in a literal fantasy and any society that has to be ALLOWED to exist is doomed.

But feel free to think everyone who disagrees with you is an NPC because you are the only free thinker after all. Just like everyone else. You should really visit the communism threads that pop up on here. Its a real mirror and I know because I've been plenty of them and talking to them is just like talking to you.

[Anonymous No.11141194]

>>11141134
That's a good thing, gene pools are highly antifragile to intense selection

[Anonymous No.11141208]

>>11141192
go away. you lost a hundred responses ago.

[Anonymous No.11141235]

>>11141192
Except societies existed this way for hundreds of thousands of years ...

[Anonymous No.11141244]

>>11140291
No one's gonna talk about based Lee Kuan Yew? Come the fuck on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_ban_in_Singapore

[Anonymous No.11141246]

>>11141208
>Lost
>We still don't live in an ancap society
Keep your delusions to yourself. You can't see past them and are clearly a damage individual that decided the government is the source of all their problems much like commies do with the rich. One day you will realize this and come to the real world.

[Anonymous No.11141253]

>>11141189
This is you in your ancap wet dream

>B-But at least its not the State and no one is forcing me

[Anonymous No.11141271]

>>11141253
No, this is your ancap wet dream. I am the nazi nao.

[Anonymous No.11141275]

>>11137725
Do you love sleepless night when your crypto performs like shit? This is what anarcho capitalism really is, but extrapolated on everything you do. You'd go crazy before 20s from this shit.

[Anonymous No.11141280]

>>11141235
>Existed
Not anymore. Why? Better form was created. How do I know? Because look around you. If it was effective it wouldn't be.

Its really all that needs to be said and I'm done with this.

If you want to know why I'm right look around and ask yourself why ancap societies didn't develop on the same scale. If your answer isn't "Because they don't work" then you are out of touch with reality.

[Anonymous No.11141298]

[Anonymous No.11141331]

>>11141271
Rather be ruled by someone everyone can see and hear than by a faceless, omnipresent force pulling strings everywhere with their unlimited wealth.

[Anonymous No.11141429]

>>11141331
hao is this ancap? are you one of them weird hoppe ancaps? or is it that you just don't get that what you think are 'the joos' is actually a emergent phenomenon that is created from human interaction on a mass scale - and essentially that is how it always play out, because them evil plans are mostly people trying their best to be good - but ... their good intentions play out disastrous ...

[Anonymous No.11141459]

>>11141429
>what you think are 'the joos' is actually a emergent phenomenon that is created from human interaction on a mass scale
the absolute state of ancap autists. As the other dude pointed out, you people are way out of touch with reality. No wonder, you read nothing but jews, your mind will end up polluted.

[Anonymous No.11141505]

>>11141459
you mean there is a world wide conspiracy that manages to archive nothing but subvert everything? that's a way better explaination than random stuff happening because people are autonomous actors.

[Anonymous No.11141559]

>>11141505
>archive nothing
this is how i know 99% of you have read nothing but economics. Learn some history fool.
> random stuff happening
> yeah everythings random duuude, people dont naturally form groups that have common interests. Groups of people can in no way influence others more effectively than a single person. Groups of people composed by the best in their fields dont dictate to others. People dont form networks and establish 'bases of operation' throughout the world. This isnt what happened during the entire history of mankind.
Just admit you're ignorant. Funny thing is you have the same view of history as Marxists. They also view it as a random series of events, with all coordinated ones being mainly economically driven.

[Anonymous No.11141612]

>>11141505
>>11141559
And as with the Marxists you also believe politics and law should be subservient to the Economy, and that everything should be for the benefit of it, and everything must be done to keep it in 'good shape'. As the commies that forced 100% employment, even if it meant digging holes and covering them up again, cause the Economy demanded it, you would throw any form of governance and order to impose your 'Economically Free World''. Keyword being impose cause thats the only way you'd be able to do this, with violence & revolt

[Anonymous No.11141659]

>>11141559
>Just admit you're ignorant

no, you admit you have no friends and thus don't know how hard it can be to make everyone act according to plan - or even keep their mouths shut.

>Funny thing is you have the same view of history as Marxists

right, you just totally saw a prime example of historic materialism.

[Anonymous No.11141700]

>>11141659
>how hard it can be to make everyone act according to plan - or even keep their mouths shut.
Yet it is what happened in real life you braindead twat. There you have it, a government and a central bank. A burocratic machinery working endlessly for centuries. ORDERS imposed on societies. Now we have this, before we had other. But there is always an order. Its no conspiracy