/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.11008984]

Who here just got bogged?

[Anonymous No.11008993]

Well fuck, I'm done,
someone out there has way too much buying power

[Anonymous No.11008994]

kek faggots

[Anonymous No.11008997]

>>11008984

Me sir

[Anonymous No.11009000]

Thats more of a Marge than a Bart!

[Anonymous No.11009002]

>>11008984
these guys

[Anonymous No.11009005]

>>11008984

[Anonymous No.11009022]

Ok the last 5 minutes convinced me that bitcoin is manipuated as fuck

ORGANIC activity then suddenly 5 trades / second on every single major exchange all in the same time, with big traders only selling and those other trades being sub 10k..

Then direct volume is going 0.15 mil / second up right now.

[Anonymous No.11009030]

>>11009002
lol good boys
Now that the greedy faggots got liquidated back down we go
Unless they want to trap more shorts
But really why don't these braindead fucks understand that the more you short the more bullish the market becomes? Just sell if you really want to crash it normally.

[Anonymous No.11009033]

>>11008984
is that a benis :DD

[Anonymous No.11009059]

>>11009022
no shit sherlock

[Anonymous No.11009064]

It started again... the 100000 trades /s econd

[Anonymous No.11009074]

>>11009022
also, the volume are bots who join in when meme lines cross

[Anonymous No.11009079]

TOP LEL AT ALL SHORTERS

[Anonymous No.11009080]

>>11009022
Too many autists in the kitchen made bogging a real bear necessity. Know what i mean?

[Anonymous No.11009088]

>>11008984
this is just a game, they could pump it to 50k in 2 days if they want

[Anonymous No.11009100]

>>11009033
hahahaha yes :DDDXDDD

[Anonymous No.11009102]

>>11009022
Fren, now that you understand, apply this little bit of learning to every single facet of your financial life (and probably a good number of other areas).

You are fighting a modern war with sharpened sticks.

[Anonymous No.11009116]

>>11009064
Where do you see it?

[Anonymous No.11009130]

>>11009088
Now you understand. Brorenko is right but you will get unbelievable fucking JUSTed if you miss the bottom of the next bull run. I'm half tether and half hodl with more to buy the true anus.

[Anonymous No.11009131]

i smelt the fear (alot of which was my own) so i bought then boom. thats how you play the game baby.

[Anonymous No.11009144]

>>11009116
I'm downloading public api data from every single exchange.. also constantly checking buy / sell differences and volume ranges ( amounts ) in tiers..

I'm also checking over patterns frm TA fags to see what exactly correlates.

For example this data, just made me have some general ideas - like it will go up, or down definitely by a percentage, but couldn't tell the time..

I'll keep researching, and observing. The more I look at all this the more I feel like there's no hope.

[Anonymous No.11009151]

>>11009144
Care to share the api?

[Anonymous No.11009177]

>>11009151
api.kraken.com
api.binance.com
api.bitfinex.com
api.gdax.com
api.pro.coinbase.com
api.prime.coinbase.com
api.hitbtc.com
api.huobi.pro
api.coinex.com

[Anonymous No.11009179]

>>11009064
Newbie here. What does it mean?

[Anonymous No.11009185]

>>11009177
he didn't expect that

[Anonymous No.11009191]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ITS DROPPING AGAIN

[Anonymous No.11009193]

>>11008994
Kek faggors rekt

[Anonymous No.11009202]

>>11009022
Welcome to Autism. And life, fren.

[Anonymous No.11009207]

>>11009179
There are professional traders out there who get paid to trade cryptos.

Since cryptos are unregulated, they can open a position with $1m in a single trade.

Imagine somebody buying 100000BTC in one trade...

[Anonymous No.11009208]

>>11009179
They're basically public functions that return values like trades, volumes literally everything.

You can use any programming language to manipulate it or for example write your own bot.

Like it would be quicker for you to trade using api than the exchange web platform + you could then also use bank api and have a button that withdraws to your bank or deposits into any exchange you want... literally imagination is your limit.

>>11009202
But how do I train now? I want to win too !

[Anonymous No.11009211]

You're all stupid. Look at the timing of Bitcoin. The need bull run is upon us and it will lead to mass adoption as traditional markets crumble. It's all manipulated and set up.

[Anonymous No.11009218]

>>11009211
*next

[Anonymous No.11009220]

>>11009207
>>11009208
I see. And I take it that the people doing this are also the ones lobbying against crypto getting accepted at the same level as stocks and bonds, since then trading would have to be regulated in some way.

[Anonymous No.11009221]

>>11009207
They'd do that over the counter and not affect the market price...

>>11009211
So this is the power of unregulated free markets.

[Anonymous No.11009245]

>>11009211
Speak for yourself. We all have different gifts. Some aren’t good at trading rat poison.

[Anonymous No.11009253]

Buying or selling a lot of coins suddenly when the order book is thin is not manipulation.

[Anonymous No.11009260]

this is all bitmex

how the fuck do we long and short

fuck trading

[Anonymous No.11009263]

>>11009245
I can give you a tip that will make you the no.1 seller in your rat poison department.

Sell it as a drug, yes - take some random plant - spray the poison on it and sell it to kids. They'll come for more.

[Anonymous No.11009274]

>>11009260
lots of 10 mil + liquidations on bitmex every few hours in a busy day - you don't want to join that party.

[Anonymous No.11009277]

>>11009177
thanks

[Anonymous No.11009282]

>>11009263
So Monsanto? Government already got us good. Yum gmo pesticides mmmmm

[Anonymous No.11009285]

>>11009274
Only people getting liquidated are morons going 50x/100x at the top or bottom

[Anonymous No.11009291]

>>11009221
>They'd do that over the counter and not affect the market price...


No they affect it definitely.
From March to now all the price has been doing is shoving dildos into bears or bulls.

Like Jesse Livermore said, there is no bear side or bull side, only the right side, and that's just whats happening.

You gotta pray you're on the right side whenever whales decide to squeeze somebody.

[Anonymous No.11009293]

>>11008984
Nope
>>11003348

[Anonymous No.11009294]

>>11008984
nice i see it hit my buy order

[Anonymous No.11009303]

>>11009294
Happy to hear someone is winning out here

[Anonymous No.11009304]

Sweet old Numerology never forsakes me

[Anonymous No.11009307]

>>11009285
Seeing as how 6-7k is basically the top and bottom now ok

[Anonymous No.11009310]

>>11009304
I have been de-evolving back into normie life. And I still analyze numbers like an autist to pad my ego just slightly. When moon frens?

[Anonymous No.11009317]

>>11008984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXdxiot5JM

[Anonymous No.11009319]

>>11009310
Trading numerology taught me everything I thought I knew about numerology is incorrect

[Anonymous No.11009324]

inverse bart is back!!!

[Anonymous No.11009337]

I just bought at 205. I screwed up right?

[Anonymous No.11009339]

>>11009310
I wonder if you overlap main exchanges charts - where manipulations occur, and normalize it out - like remove bot triggered patterns - would ta work?

[Anonymous No.11009340]

>>11009319
This to a T. I know nothing.

[Anonymous No.11009342]

>>11009337
yeah probably

[Anonymous No.11009346]

>>11009337
I bought 90 ETH @204. Comfy as fuck

[Anonymous No.11009348]

>>11009346
RRRREEEE I JUST CHECKED THE PRICE...ITS CRASHING AGAIN. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

[Anonymous No.11009351]

>>11009348
HAHAHAHHAHAHHA

[Anonymous No.11009357]

>>11009348
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11009358]

>>11009351
Seriously, should I cut my losses or will it bounce?

[Anonymous No.11009379]

>>11009348
dump eet

[Anonymous No.11009382]

>>11009358
We bounced. Thank god. btw pic related was me

[Anonymous No.11009383]

>>11009348
dude don't buy the top or sell the bottom are you crazy or what?

You gotta understand that whales liquidate these faggots in order to sell at a better price, so they will block longs as fast they fucked shorts.

[Anonymous No.11009385]

>>11009358
if you haven't figured it out by now...
bitmex is a waste of time and money.
There is no way to predict what Mr Bogandoff is going to do tomorrow. He has so many USD and so many BTC both, he can push it in which ever direction he wants in the short term.
Place your long term unleveraged bets and chill out

[Anonymous No.11009391]

>>11009383
>>11009385
Thanks for the advice. I just sold @199. fuck my shit up

[Anonymous No.11009392]

>>11009346
>>11009348

On second thought, wait a sec, it may probably go up again.

[Anonymous No.11009395]

>>11009358
You can't make this shit up

[Anonymous No.11009396]

>>11009022
>last 5 minutes convinced me that bitcoin is manipuated as fuck
Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.11009400]

We didnt bounce as hard as last time.
This time we could go lower.

[Anonymous No.11009409]

It’s as if people have amnesia from literally what happened 4 days ago. Shorts got squeezed just now but the decline continues. Tether up. This won’t explode upward for no reason, that’s just thinking as a bagholder. Just tether up.

[Anonymous No.11009410]

>>11009396
Wait a sec - I'm giving u the raw data of the timeframe when the pump started to see if I'm right or it's just fucking normal behavior considering how shitty most bots are.

[Anonymous No.11009418]

>>11009410
I think he meant to say that we all already know it's manipulated.

Even I'm surprised when I read that there are people here who just figured out how it's manipulated.

[Anonymous No.11009424]

>>11009391
aw fuck...

Welp better than risking it all amirite?

[Anonymous No.11009428]

>>11009409
I dont think its smart to tether this low.

[Anonymous No.11009431]

0 means sell 1 buy

data from when pump started until present.

[Anonymous No.11009433]

>>11009396
Hey guys bitcoin is manipulated have you heard? Oh wait.

[Anonymous No.11009445]

>>11009002
6 and 8 million dollars
Is that it
Wow

[Anonymous No.11009459]

>>11009431
doesn't matter 50% is fake. Order books are the biggest lie in crypto.

>>11009445
No, those are contracts

[Anonymous No.11009460]

Holy shit none of you idiots are actually looking at longs vs shorts? Simple game theory tells me that (((they))) will pump it if the majority is short and will dump it if the majority is long.
>pic related
expect another pump

Oh and have you guys seen that from 23 august we had no barts and then now we suddenly get barts again? The barters were probably on vacation lol.

[Anonymous No.11009471]

Btw considering most people accumulated, I'd buy right now !!

Means most of them want to sell for a profit so they'll hold.

>>11009460
Shorts went down hardcore.

[Anonymous No.11009474]

>>11009459
How much is every contract?

[Anonymous No.11009478]

>>11009460
brainlet here. Can someone explain this long/short stuff to me? Could you also link that source where you got your pic related from?

[Anonymous No.11009484]

>>11009428
I don’t give a single fuck what you think. No catalyst means no bull. We’re going lower.

[Anonymous No.11009489]

>>11009474
not really sure, open bitmex and enter the amount

[Anonymous No.11009493]

>>11009471
Looks like longs are about to get recked.

[Anonymous No.11009495]

>>11009478
It's leverage trading, done on BitMex. His source is this site which logs BitMex

https://coinfarm.online/position/position_realtime.asp

[Anonymous No.11009498]

>>11009471
zoom out

[Anonymous No.11009527]

>>11009478
basically the exchanges and whales conspire to make money from margin traders. They'll pump it, getting everyone to fomo in(go long, often on margin) and then dump BTC liquidating the traders. This can be vice versa as well. We call these things "Barts" and "Inverse Barts".

Simple game theory suggests that (((exchanges))) make more money by liquidating the majority of traders. That means if majority of traders are short(like atm), then it makes sense for them to pump BTC because they'll get more BTC than by dumping it.

[Anonymous No.11009539]

>>11009527
This will continue until there are no more traders to make money from.

[Anonymous No.11009544]

PRAISE HIM, I JUST FOUND OUT THIS NEWS AFTER LISTENING TO MY SAVIOR SMINEM THANK YOU!!

[Anonymous No.11009547]

>>11009471
hey anon, nice software you got there
I happen to have something that tracks BTC transactions, and you kind of assured me of a suspicion I had. Every time there's a huge dump or pump in recent months, there's absolutely nothing different happening on the transactions front. At least not a day or two earlier, makes sense, what big player would hand over his money to an exchange that can get hacked any second. That leaves only player doing this, the exchanges. There's no market at all, it's all rigged.

[Anonymous No.11009554]

>>11009544
Dubs 4 Sminem

Thread theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syMrLWeq-Hc

[Anonymous No.11009563]

>>11009527
>>11009539
thats not very nice of the whales and exchanges

[Anonymous No.11009564]

>>11009547
Hm, a solution for decentralized exchange like platform needs to be imagined.

And I mean it in the stock market high volume way, not auction house type one ( we already got those ).

[Anonymous No.11009575]

>>11009460
delet this

[Anonymous No.11009579]

>>11009253
>moving the chart in certain directions at certain times in order to get people to take certain trades and then flip the market the opposite direction is organic
notice how hard it is to not type "trick" or "manipulate"

[Anonymous No.11009583]

>>11009564
They'll just manipulate it there as well, since it'll be trustless (it should be)
the issue is that nobody uses shitcoins for anything but speculation, and they apparently have a lot more money (and information as they are the exchanges) to fuck around with it.

[Anonymous No.11009593]

>>11009022
>Ok the last 5 minutes convinced me that bitcoin is manipuated as fuck

this has become a meme everytime BTC does this

[Anonymous No.11009599]

>>11008984
kek perfect bart

[Anonymous No.11009618]

btc is a fucking meme now fuck off

[Anonymous No.11009625]

>>11009022
sometimes it's enough for only one to make a move - the others will join in

[Anonymous No.11009632]

>>11008984
INVERSE MARGE FORMATION SPOTTED MOON MISSION IMMINENT

[Anonymous No.11009662]

>>11009563
well, people warn the retards about how it works yet they still go do it like flies drawn to shit.

If an exchange is willing to lend any random moron money so they can bet on Bitcoin... you can bet they KNOW you're going to lose that money.
The exchange is on the other side of every leverage trade you make.
It's the exact same as going into a casino and expecting to win, despite people telling you the mathematics straight up

[Anonymous No.11009681]

>>11009662
how do i get to see the long/short margins on bitmex like you did in this posts pic related? >>11009460

[Anonymous No.11009692]

>>11009681
https://coinfarm.online/position/position_realtime.asp

[Anonymous No.11009699]

>>11009681
>>11009495

[Anonymous No.11009703]

>>11009692
have these people agreed to show their position? who are these people? they can be bots.

[Anonymous No.11009704]

>>11009681
>https://coinfarm.online/position/position_realtime.asp
>>11009692

"The position information is automatically registered when you execute /position xbtusd
Trollbox in BitMex "

This is NOT live data nor should it be used to trade

[Anonymous No.11009713]

>>11009692
>>11009699
>>11009703
Thank you, people on biz seem so much nicer than on people on other boards

[Anonymous No.11009716]

>>11009382
yeah. "we" bounced

[Anonymous No.11009718]

>>11009177
How do you run these apis?

[Anonymous No.11009731]

>>11009583
C

See the third party authored https://github.com/hANSIc99/Kraken_C_API..
C#

See the third party authored https://bitbucket.org/arrivets/krakenapi..
C++

See the third party authored https://github.com/voidloop/krakenapi..
GO

See the third party authored https://github.com/Beldur/kraken-go-api-client..
Node.JS

See the third party authored https://github.com/nothingisdead/npm-kraken-api..
PERL

See the third party authored http://search.cpan.org/~philippe/Finance-Bank-Kraken-0.1/..
Python 3

See the third party authored https://github.com/veox/python3-krakenex..
Python 2

See the third party authored https://github.com/veox/python2-krakenex..
Ruby

See the third party authored https://github.com/leishman/kraken_ruby..
PHP

The Kraken team has provided a basic PHP library for interfacing with the Kraken REST API. The source and usage examples are also available on Payward's kraken-api-client github repository and is MIT licensed.

[Anonymous No.11009738]

>waaaaa my fake asset has a fake market

[Anonymous No.11009760]

>>11009731
I don't understand

[Anonymous No.11009764]

>>11009760
Start here:
https://www.amazon.com/Programming-Principles-Practice-Using-C-ebook/dp/B00KPTEH8C/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536493096&sr=1-1&keywords=programming+principles+and+practice+using+c%2B%2B+2nd+edition

[Anonymous No.11009770]

>>11009764
I think you're trying to reply to someone else

[Anonymous No.11009776]

>>11009770
True.

>>11009764
>>11009731
for >>11009718

[Anonymous No.11009784]

>>11009460
this is only accounting for people that posted their position in bitmex's trollbox

[Anonymous No.11009821]

>>11009484

until we dont.

[Anonymous No.11009828]

>>11009527

>mfw there are actually still people setting up 'shorts' and 'longs' in this anal destruction system.

I hope they all get liquidated.

[Anonymous No.11009840]

>>11009563
>>11009527
>>11009478
>>11009460

Gonna let you into a big secret here, but traders and exchanges aren't the only one rigging this whole thing.

Banks are a huge part of it, they seek to buy a lot of BTC in order to control the fluctuaction and make it less volatile in the future.


Rumor has it that last bull run was all JP morgan.

[Anonymous No.11009863]

>>11009460
>>11009527

Also don't be retards, if it was that simple there is no way on earth they would hand out this information to you.
Remember that position orders and shorts are given by the exchanges, APIs aren't necesarily "just there" for the public.

You think you could simply ook at the shorts/longs if that wasn't their choice to let you see it?


Even if you look at ATH of shorts or longs there is no sure way to predict when they will dump or pump.

[Anonymous No.11009866]

>>11009563
Are you under the impression that they care about your feelings or that you end up in the street.
People would make money selling their babies.

[Anonymous No.11009880]

>>11009840

ETF is assured now within 6 months. I assume several major players are accumulating BTC. I doubt they are going to get a better deal than 6k though. Not many weak hands left.

[Anonymous No.11009888]

>>11009828
>TFW I'm too dumb and lazy to worry about shorts and longs so I just sell 10% when it goes past a thousand mark and buy 10% when it goes bellow a thousand mark (Not buying or selling the last thousand mark I sold or bought).

[Anonymous No.11009893]

>>11009888
nice algo
mind if I steal it?

[Anonymous No.11009911]

>>11009348
if you actually think some internet bitcoin knockoff token is worth more than 0 dollars you deserve to lose money. next support is like 180... maybe.
I seriously have no sympathy for longs at this point... if you are longing this scam you are an idiot - everyone who was long at 7300 deserved it 100%

[Anonymous No.11009926]

>>11009893
I don't know why people make this harder than buy low sell high.

[Anonymous No.11009950]

>>11008984
whales raising the price to lock in their shorts

[Anonymous No.11009965]

>>11009950
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.11009982]

>>11009926
Welcome to /biz/

[Anonymous No.11009989]

>>11009950
more like stopping out a ton of ETH shorts. did you see mex? it went to 215 because all the redditors had stops around 205

[Anonymous No.11009990]

>>11009022
>only just figuring this out

I don't actually remember it being this bad though. Now it's just so fucking blatant with huge ass BARTS all day every day

[Anonymous No.11010001]

>>11009926
show me your profits anon

[Anonymous No.11010019]

WHO THE FUCK STILL FALLS FOR THIS
I DONT UNDERSTAND
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 8 MONTHS OR MORE
HOW DO PEOPLE STILL FALL FOR IT
THIS CANT BE HAPPENING
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
PEOPLE CANT BE THIS FUCKING STUPID
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11010030]

>>11008984
Think of it this way. If you own an exchange, you know exactly how many leveraged longs and shorts there are at any point in time.
It's silly not to write a bot that liquidates $1,000,000 at the cost of $100,000.
There's gonna be bumps along the way, but the crash is probably going to continue regardless.
If you've been stupid enough not to sell, you might as well wait it out. I've started buying myself.

[Anonymous No.11010034]

>>11009022
It's almost like you need to be an absolute fucking retard to margin trade in a market like this.
Why am I an absolute fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11010053]

>>11009863
Thing is it has been working for quite some time now. It would only stop working if the majority catch on to this and start using it. Ofc it isn't always very precise which is why I don't go all in 100x leverage since it might pump a bit more before the big dump and vice versa. It's all about managing risk and game theory.

[Anonymous No.11010100]

>>11010034
if you think this is an issue you are using way too much leverage

[Anonymous No.11010107]

>>11010100
nice numbers

[Anonymous No.11010164]

>>11010100
Checked

[Anonymous No.11010321]

This is going down further. No doubt in my mind.

I, too, would like to kill the bear but there is no denying it anymore.

[Anonymous No.11010338]

>don't complain about manipulation when it's going down
>complain when up

the absolute state of bears.

[Anonymous No.11010362]

>>11009207
.... $1 million would only buy like 162 BTC.

[Anonymous No.11010470]

>>11009022
found the newfag

[Anonymous No.11010481]

>>11009888
You cracked the code 888

[Anonymous No.11010600]

[Anonymous No.11011234]

>>11008984
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11011263]

>>11009474
1 contract on mex is $1 of bitcoin at x price

[Byzantian No.11011310]

>>11009527
So shoudln't that make contrarian investing easy? Buy if there are more shorts then longs and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.11011340]

>>11009840
Nah it was Bitmain

[Anonymous No.11012040]

>>11009319
>he doesnt trade on every slight impulse
>he doesnt ride gods quantum wave of synchronicity, manifestation and faith

[Anonymous No.11012305]

Where's that cocky bitch that was bragging about his $200 bitmex elite trading skills yesterday?
I hope he got liquidated by this.