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Muh Pajeet pump and dump. Holochain is now a top 50 coin. Multiple ETH genesis wallets invested in it at ICO. When will you understand?

>> No.10996195

>>10996183
it is still a pump and dump
But wait for the dumps, the following threads will come, screen cap this if you want its true and you know it:

> pink wojak with holo logo
> JUST with holo logo
> HOLOCONEEEEEEEEEE
> "What went wrong"
> "lost everything in this pajeet scam oh now what do I do now I dumb piece of shit"

>> No.10996206

>>10996195
Was ETH a pump and dump? Serious question

>> No.10996252
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bro its biz. we told them about tron//stellar//verge// literally every moon mission last year and THEY DIDNT GET RICH LOL oh well maybe this is our savior? Maybe this will launch all the normies who got left on the moon too mars? Maybe this your last chance anon? Maybe kek still loves you? MAYBE JUST MAYBE you can be rich anon. Maybe you were meant to be rich last year and this is just the universes way of catching up to you u stupid biz virgin neet

>graph for lawls
>ethereum 2016 1.50$ too 16$ looool

>notice the cup n handle

>ya thats bullish

>> No.10996264

>>10996206
Everything was a PnD in December/janurary if you ask me.
Know the real shitty projects start to die (as they should be) and the good ones will rise again.

>> No.10996282

>>10996264
Holochain is one of the good projects and it is repeating ETH's meteoric rise. Look into the tech and their connections.

>> No.10996286

>>10996252
>we told you

>> No.10996288
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>>10996206
ETH pumped when it created the Ethereum Foundation with a lot of important names on it and there were hundreds of ICOs and a main net running.

Holochain has NOTHING of the above. It is pumping because people doesn't understand it but sounds good, and out of desperation in a bear market. The bad investors see a huge green and put the money in. Good investors go for the undervalued.

Think: Top 40 coin with unfinished whitepaper (!), not even testnet, not a single proper dapp, not external but even internal, and as they said,no stable economy for at least for 2 years.

>> No.10996311

>>10996282
You can say the same thing with DAG, UTN, EOS and so on.

>> No.10996346

woow ! you forgot to take you hate pills again??
kid,what can I say...come on board Holo Ark has room for you as well.We can save all of you....smart,stupid,ugly,cute....rekt by blockchain in general and left without a penny by the scammy ICOs

>> No.10996377

I just bought at 677 Gwei
How fucked am I?
Will it dump soon?

>> No.10996383

>>10996377
NOW it will! finally, thank you.

>> No.10996400

>>10996288
hnnnng.

>> No.10996403

>>10996288
Citations needed there bucko, plenty of interntal dapps atleast exist

>> No.10996416

>>10996383
:'(

>> No.10996423

>>10996403
hasn't the idea been in development for years?

>> No.10996442

>>10996423
Since before bitcoin, look up project ceptr, holochain is only part of the bigger picture anon.

>> No.10996461

>>10996288
You can download and run the alpha yourself.

>not a single proper dapp
https://github.com/holochain/clutter
https://github.com/holochain/holochat

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10996466

Look, some of you guys are alright. Most of you fags deserve to lose your money, but I'm going to clue you in to what's going to happen soon.
I ignored HOT because it's an obvious bullshit pnd with 100 trillion supply.
But after the pump it primed me to look into it.

This is Skycoin on AIDS x 100. There is no secure consensus algorithm for determining whether a transaction is valid or not. Meaning this whole thing is based on bullshit. There's no proof that this is even secure.
And when you think about what type of consensus algorithm they could possibly come up with, it's easy to see where this is going to get sybil attacked to death.
With no global consensus, why not just spoof 10,000 nodes into the system, have them all claim your transactions are valid?
Whichever mechanism they choose for locally determining if your transaction is valid, mathematicians are going to hack this to death.
If they choose nodes randomly, with so many of your nodes in the system they're going to pick yours probably. and if your nodes say its valid, great you made free money.
Even if you fail the first time, you can repeat this process an indefinite number of times until eventually your spam nodes are probabilistically picked.

>>10996423
earliest commit is 11 months ago. every chain says this line so it doesn't look like they're just trying to cash in on chain hype.

>> No.10996486

>>10996466
since HOLO has not been in the public eye for very long, there are no reputable figures giving it a fair shake.
Vitalik is broke from selling his eth at $4 and will shill any garbage if they pay him $10k for it, so he can't be trusted for validity, especially since they don't have a consensus protocol to criticize in the first place.

since HOLO is exploding, this is going to get a lot of attention. at rank 41 and climbing, there's no way this will avoid critical attention from the press, and the mathematicians that will debunk this POS.

Remember, skycoin operates on the same principle and never got past rank 50. then it promptly exit scammed.

>> No.10996499

>>10996466
Two party confirmation of each transaction and automatic auditing between accounts with localized dna validation.

In layman's terms a sort of "proof of feet", if you will.

>> No.10996511

>>10996486
Mozilla seems to like it

>> No.10996530

>>10996511
Jim Cook, is Mozilla's FINANCIAL officer.
he doesn't know a nonce from a mempool from a cryptographic hash.
his endorsement is meaningless from a security perspective. not surprising mozilla would want what they're claiming to provide.

>> No.10996534

>>10996461
If a shitty p2p messaging is a proper app to you...

>>10996466
That's the thing, this is the riskiest top 100 to jump right now, and people call it the Noah's Ark

>> No.10996536

>>10996530
who are you to say what Jim knows and doesn't know?

>> No.10996551

>>10996486
Weird how Skycoin exit scammed BEFORE running the testnet, BEFORE having 8k nodes rewarded monthly and BEFORE showing the wallet and antenna prototypes.
The had their drama horrible handled, but it was not an exist scam, just were incompetent af

>> No.10996553

>>10996534
Can't be more risky than Tether

>> No.10996554

>>10996536
Career History

Chief Financial Officer Mozilla Corp, 7/2005-PRESENT
CFO/COO Allbusiness.Com Inc, 2005-9/2008
Managing Partner BenchBoard Consulting, 1/2003-12/2007
Chief Financial Officer New Vine Logistics, 1/2003-6/2005
Chief Operating Officer Devx.Com, 10/2000-1/2003
VP:Finance Wineshopper.Com, 1999-2000
Co-Founder Netflix Inc, 1997-1999
VP:Finance Internet Shopping Network, 1996-1997
Corporate Finance Intuit Inc, 1991-1996

gee i dunno, because his entire career is finance? burden of proof is on you to show he knows shit
meanwhile, actual mathematicians are calling this bullshit

>> No.10996555

>>10996534
That's there version of slack, the other is a
fully distributed twitter. Y'now, one of the biggest social media platforms?

>> No.10996562

>>10996486
Vitalik isn't broke dude, he's still holding Ether aswell. Either list some sources or shut up. You're probably just trying to scare anons so you can dump the bags on them later.

>> No.10996565

>>10996466
Why did multiple ETH genesis wallets contribute to the ICO, and how did an "obvious PND" get to rank 41?

>> No.10996573

>>10996486
>Vitalik is broke from selling his eth at $4 and will shill any garbage if they pay him $10k for it, so he can't be trusted for validity
The sheer desperation of this retarded ass post

>> No.10996574

>>10996565
ETH genesis wallests contribute to many ICOs. they've got more money than they know what to do with and its best for them to diversify out of ETH

and how did an "obvious PND" get to rank 41?
because humans like large supplies where they can own 1 billion of the token and feel rich.
people are bad at math and don't realize they're paying a shit ton of spread when it goes from 22 sats to 23 sats

>> No.10996577

>>10996554
Ya as if you can trust anyone in crypto on their opinion. That mathemetician could be paid, I don't give a fuck what some mathmetician has to say who thinks being a mathemetician gives her an apeal to authority.

You can't refute the immense experience this team has in development and in currency. I have no reason to doubt the validity of their claims. Shit every fucking coin gets questioned and doubted beyond comprehension and yet you're far better off just jumping in. Everyone has an opinion, and everyone thinks they are right.

>> No.10996580

>>10996466
>trusting a roach ""mathematician""

>> No.10996582

>>10996183
I fell for the FUD and refused to buy. I would have made so much money. WHY

>> No.10996583

>>10996574
This, a large supply will work 100000x better than a low supply coin if you're talking about mass adoption. How many people didn't know they could buy 1/10 of a BTC instead of a full one?

>> No.10996589

>>10996577
you don't understand. HOLO is not blockchain. if someone starts a brand new blockchain using tested principles and consensus protocols, we already have proof of security.
HOLO is hyping on a dream.
They don't even have proof that it works, or even have a concrete definition of what their consensus is.

>> No.10996608

>>10996589
I know it isn't blockchain, it's a complete different architecture. And what's this shit about consensus? It's NOT BLOCKCHAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVTnEKxwYls

>> No.10996613

>>10996573
Lololol

>> No.10996620

>>10996589
>even have a concrete definition of what their consensus is.
because it's not a consensus based system.

>> No.10996624

>>10996183
>Multiple ETH genesis wallets invested in it at ICO.
WTF. This is definitely not a good sign. Maybe if Satoshi was invested in Holo, but not ETHscammers.

Holo starts to look more and more a scam itself.

>> No.10996631

>>10996620
if no one can agree on how many HOT are in my account, how is that valuable?
Consensus is NEEDED for value to be secure.

>> No.10996630

>>10996582
hahahahahaha these stories make me so happy. Fucking morons gets listed on binance at 10 SATS.... wtf did you think was going to happen? It was going to go to negative 4 SATS?

It has no where to go but UP

>> No.10996637

>>10996624
>>10996486
>>10996466
Reading this shit makes me think there's some whale here scaring anons for shits and giggles. Is anyone retarded enough to fall for this?

Litterly all you need to do is go on their website and 9/10 of all these arguments are debunked

>> No.10996641

>>10996637
there's nothing to debunk because they don't even have a product plan.
anyway, ill let you remember these posts when we're down to 5 sats and you're still bagholding because $.10 EOY

>> No.10996659

>>10996631
>Consensus is NEEDED for value to be secure.
You are still looking at this through the blockchain lens.

https://developer.holochain.org/What_is_Holochain_s_Consensus_Algorithm

https://medium.com/holochain/hashgraph-vs-holochain-eb38d7dc1f8a

If you're still not satisfied by this, ask on telegram, ask in the next ama. Go to their next hackathon and ask arthur or eric in person.

>> No.10996668

>>10996641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVbrpJ13emo

>> No.10996674

>>10996668
lord quas, good taste

>> No.10996675

>>10996637
Their website has proof that ETH devs are to be trusted?

>> No.10996681

>>10996675
hence 9/10, read please.

>> No.10996682

>>10996183
pump hasnt even started, screenshot here 40 sats in 2 weeks, 100 sats by november.

>> No.10996691

>>10996499
>proof of feet
what do you mean?

>> No.10996695

>>10996659
>ask the central authority to validate my fee fees that this is going to moon
dumbass. secure consensus is EVERYTHING in crypto. if they don't even have that worked out they have absolutely nothing. it's worth 0 sats. its some assholes who know how to market shit with buzzwords to morons like you who trust them

all your posts indicate is you don't understand the articles you're reading. they're openly admitting they have no fucking clue how it will be secure

>> No.10996710

>>10996695
>they're openly admitting they have no fucking clue how it will be secure
Show me where they say this. Litterly linked you a video of the Founder explaining it doesn't use consensus cause it's not blockchain. What more do you want man? You little Keyboard warrior

>> No.10996717

blockchain doesn't work massively thats why is needed new tech, holo have the best ideas

>> No.10996727

>>10996695
Ok, so why don't you go ahead and write the article that takes holochain down?

>> No.10996731

>>10996710
> And on Holochain, the way we recommend implementing currencies using agent-centric crypto-accounting instead of data-centric coins means you don’t use rival coins at all.

They literally just said "everyone be their own accountant". Meaning Alice can claim she has 1 trillion tokens for free, and that's just as valid as her saying she has 1 token. Since no one has to agree in holochain, any amount is valid.
If you don't understand why that's a problem you're the dumbest fuck in existence.
i'm only here because i'm constantly amazed by how stupid /biz/ is. you legitimately look like you actually believe in hot and aren't shilling just to dump on another moron

>> No.10996733

>>10996288
This is very accurate, people are buying in with the hopes that they'll sell to someone later on for a higher price, it's a literal pump and dump. There are no catalysts that made the price pump as hard as it did and the tech is still yet to be proven. It's a game of musical chairs and you better have a fucking chair when the music stops, which it will.

>>10996565
Doesn't mean anything, ETH genesis wallets have to diversify if they want to retain their wealth, it's called hedging. Microsoft bought $150m worth of Apple shares in 1997 when they were on the brink of bankruptcy. What you're seeing now is retail investor FOMO, everyone is just hoping to get in now and find a greater fool to sell to later on.

>> No.10996744

>>10996183
>Multiple ETH genesis wallets invested in it at ICO.
This shill clearly doesn't understand crypto and you people are still falling for his PnD. There is only one ETH genesis address and it hasn't invested in HOT. Shaking my head at this pajeet.

>> No.10996788

I still don't understand why it needs a token

>> No.10996814

>>10996788
It gets better: there is no place in code or examples for that “fuel”. But dont tell

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>>10996195
tfw people have been saying this since 8 sats and you bought in then

>> No.10996837

btc dumps eth too,better than teeter get in fags

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>>10996822
this doesn't make any sense. 8 sats was the bottom, everyone said if you don't buy at these prices you're retarded

>> No.10996901

The run up lately has been due to Mozilla and associates acquiring HOLO tokens. Once they have finished acquiring there will be partnership announcements near or after mainnet launch. Holo is on it's way to becoming a top 5 coin. Anyone who bought during ICO is made and those who understand what is happening will profit nicely. Just a friendly reminder: Mozilla generates over $600,000,000+/year in revenue. I think a lot of people don't understand how big this will become. :)

>> No.10996902

>>10996727
>needs a blog post to reach consensus in his brain

>> No.10996924

Reddit shills going into panic mode as hot keeps going up

>> No.10996956

>>10996282
I did look into the tech and connections. I’m a mathematician by trade. Holochain’s tech does not have sound math and is therefore not currently secure. So I looked into the team. They hired a math grad student with zero experience to fix their math. The rest of the team is filled with people whose last “jobs” were internships or fake/failed companies. Some of them haven’t actually worked in decades. This is not to say that people won’t make a lot of money on it. Like Tron, in the current market all you need is hype to moon. But as of now this is about as shitcoin as anything gets and it is REALLY fishy that there are people like you lauding the tech and connections where both are lower tier than the vast majority of options out there. I hope you guys make some money but personally I wouldn’t touch this. Eventually it’s going to dump and never recover, right now this is just a game of hot potato.

>> No.10996966

>>10996183
kek, should have sold instead of making a thread

>> No.10996985

>>10996288
It's pumping because whales are pumping it. None of that other silly shit matters.

>> No.10997002

>>10996956
1.still better than link, dag
2. Already sold and took 5k profit
3. Anything I hold and sell in a few years regardless of where it ends up its pure fucking profit.
Stop being a jealous bitch. A lot of us made a ton of money

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>>10996901
>those who understand what is happening
you're not one of them. you're the npc that is supposed to buy the top of the hype based on rumors. as soon as testnet launches in october, and all the pajeets that bought in now realise that it's only an alpha and it's gonna take another year until you can actually use holochain, they're gonna scream that holo is a scam and they lost all their money, and sell back my old bags to me at 8 sats again

>> No.10997038

>>10996466
>This is Skycoin on AIDS x 100
Perfect description.
>>10997002
>Still better than LINK
I hope you eat your own cooking

>> No.10997071

>>10996183
it will be rank 80 again in less than a week, objectively. you are all retarded. good trading call, though.

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>>10996183
Maybe it’s great but I already went all in on link for 100k+ not much I can do now I’m not fucking selling

>> No.10997207

>>10996466
My takeaway exactly after putting in the research. There are better projects with lower mcap.