/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.10876537]

If businesses don’t exploit workers then how do they make money?

>add $300 of value to an organization each day
>get paid $250

[Anonymous No.10876565]

>>10876537
250 for 300 is actually pretty good numbers.

50$ is their cut for providing you with tools / training of your trade. Finding and marketing to customers. And paying all the bills at your workplace. (Not to mention the huge amount of risk they took with their capital by starting a business)

If you think this is exploitation. You are free to start your own business. This is a free country.

[Anonymous No.10876583]

>Voluntarily exchanging labor for a predetermined amount of value
>Calls it exploitation
Back to the gulag with you, comrade

[Anonymous No.10876629]

>>10876583

>it’s voluntary so one side definitely doesn’t have leverage over the other

[Anonymous No.10876646]

>>10876629
What are you trying to say?

[Anonymous No.10876647]

Do you think that labor would be worth $250 without the company providing all of the necessary infrastructure, connections and overhead?

[Anonymous No.10876667]

>>10876537
They're earning money for being owners and their employees trade some of their freedom (for example having to be there every weekday) for some stability in their earnings. Arguable if owners are winning too much or if the stability is really there for workers.

>>10876565
> This is a free country.
This crosses the bullshit threshold, it's free as long as you obey the rules that are enforced with the threat of violence.

[Anonymous No.10876678]

>>10876537
Here's a better question, if these worker-exploiting organizations didn't exist, then how would YOU make money? Fact is, we are in a population bubble. Something like 80% of us should actually be dead right now but we are being kept alive by all these worthless companies that exploit us

[Anonymous No.10876682]

>>10876667
Yes there are laws against crime. And criminals are punished.
Free as in free to start a business. Since we're not living in a communist/socialist country.

[Anonymous No.10876693]

>>10876537
The irony is that the worker is highly substitutable and the value that they bring is incomparable to the value that the investors and managers bring.

The problem of running a business is... Running it. You pushing buttons and handing people french fries is a necessary, but almost inconsequential chore.

[Anonymous No.10876701]

>>10876629
that disgusting capitalist is trying to save his life
truly awful
i'm guessing that 750 bucks to save a white dude's life is not worth it but we should simply throw thousand to nigger breeding programs

[Anonymous No.10876713]

you're fuckin free to set up your own business and outcompete

you're in no position to criticise if you don't even have a successful business

[Anonymous No.10876794]

>>10876701

>price gouging is ok
>monopolies are ok

[Anonymous No.10876833]

>>10876537
Think of it like this. Businesses have residual claim on income. That means if they earn more than the cost of goods sold & price of their employees, they keep the proceeds. Thats why I dont recommend driven individuals to wagecuck, because you will not be rewarded for your efforts. Wageslavery is about satisfying the minimum level of performance while making it difficult for your employer to fire you.

[Anonymous No.10876914]

>>10876682
Laws can be played with forever. Communists just have their laws as well. Libor happened and most of the people responsible walked. Pay tribute for what you produce that will be redistributed as someone else chooses or get your shit taken by force. To be fair, that tribute goes to shit like infraestructure and military forces that are useful for protection... and actual freedom would probably be even scarier. There are some lenders that simply can't exist because of the way money is printed and that brings some competitive advantages that are just there. On the free banking era there were a bunch of wildcat banks running around and that had its issues as well but that shit got restricted, it can't have been free then and free now. Freedom as in dispensation from the power of others is kind of a meme and that sucks but the idea of money as power is kind of recent.

[Anonymous No.10876935]

>>10876794
>implying they're not okay

[Anonymous No.10876959]

>>10876537
more like

>add $1000 to the business
>get paid $100

[Anonymous No.10877025]

why doesn't the worker just stay at home and make the $300 for themselves then

[Anonymous No.10877056]

If me and 19 others decide to start a business and work on it, division od profits is same. But if I myself have to do everything and you kust show up and do what I ask you to do, be sure Im not splitting my profits with you equally.

Only poor people complain about this.

[Anonymous No.10877940]

>>10877056
It's not just divestment from strategic decision making, as higher level management will be involved in this discussion without them receiving "due" compensation for the value of their intellectual labor. It's a matter of stake vs risk.
If you own equity in a company, you are risking your investment in the hopes that the value of your company will grow. You have something to lose. This is muddied a bit with stock-based compensation, but then employees become stakeholders over time as well. Generally speaking, though, an employee has no stake in the wellbeing of the company. They risk nothing by being on the payroll other than job security. As long as the company can cash your check every two weeks, an employee gets his time and labor "investment" back, guaranteed. Whether it's unfair that the employee hasn't accumulated enough capital to be in that position is another issue entirely.

[Anonymous No.10878026]

I swear we get an influx of leftist /pol/tards or newfags who always ask the retarded questions. Seriously, open your own goddamn business and try to equally distribute shit if you fucking feel like the new Marx

[Anonymous No.10878048]

>>10876537
It's their cut for taking the risk. Most likely the business has some level of debt and bills to pay (rent for the property, utilities, etc). So they have to pay you as long as you're employed, and if things go bad, they're stuck with the debt ontop of being out of a job.

If you want, you can start your own business but you won't because you can't handle that risk and are willing to give someone else a cut in exchange for security.

[Anonymous No.10878058]

>>10876583
>If you don't like it, you're free to live on a street corner and starve to death, goy

[Anonymous No.10878061]

All you need to fucking know is 20%

If your business can make 20% of what your employees worked and earned, your doing good.
20% profit on everything.

You buy materials, sell them for 20% profit.
You provide services, you charge out enough that costs are covered plus 20% not complicated you fucks.

[Anonymous No.10878080]

>>10876537
>used to get paid 50
>adding 250
And they wanted to sue me for trading info....

[Anonymous No.10878083]

>>10876537
That is extremely fair.

[Anonymous No.10878086]

>>10877025
This

Your office labor is worth thay much because of the capital behind it, it isnt worth much by its own

You can obviously accumulate capital and start a business, and then pay others to do the stuff you dont want to do, because without that capital they cant do it for themselves

[Anonymous No.10878204]

>>10876537

Why do teenagers always have this line of thinking?

[Anonymous No.10878231]

>>10878204

Why do kikes always kvetch?

[Anonymous No.10878503]

>>10876678
this
it's always the useless people who couldn't survive without corporations who complain about being exploited, too
fact is any real man can find a way to be self-reliant in the world as it is now. life isn't fair but nobody claimed that. if you want things yet can't provide said things for yourself then you're a parasite, no matter how hard you rationalize your leeching as righteous

[Anonymous No.10878550]

>>10876682
>Free as in free to start a business.
*Unless you don't pay taxes
*Or conform to an infinite number of regulations
*And hire lawyers, HR, accountants, etc
*And countless other things I didn't mention
>Yes there are laws against crime.
The people who define what crime is are the criminals.
>And criminals are punished.
Joe Blow selling a joint in a true capitalistic free market exchange to some retarded nigger gets more jail time than someone:
>lying and causing an economic crash
>bailing out the liars because they're your friends
>take russian and chinese money to peddle their influence
>hire a chinese spy, let the chinese read state emails, etc

We aren't free to do anything. Want to leave America and not pay taxes? Can't do that. Have to pay.
Drive a car on your own property without registering with the state? Can't do that.
Own an automatic weapon? Can't do that.
Do drugs in private? Can't do that.
Buy and sell a fucking coin online? Can't do that.

And if you don't comply, you go to jail or get shot

[Anonymous No.10878563]

>>10878204
>why are inexperienced people so inexperienced with things?

[Anonymous No.10878579]

>>10876713
>you're free as long as you follow the rules
really free, idiot.
america has less freedom than some european countries.

[Anonymous No.10878582]

>>10878204
Are you an idiot? Boomers did this originally. Who do you think ran the 60s?

[Anonymous No.10878599]

>>10876537
isn't the employee exploiting the business if they make more money then it is required for basic survival? the employee and employer relationship is mutually beneficial, if you think you got the raw deal move to another company. other then that, the profit a company reaps is however much it is that compensates the company for the inherent risk of running a business. too much or too little, depends on the market circumstances.

[Anonymous No.10878623]

>>10876629
how much money did that man invest to create that bottle of water? how much risk is he taking by selling it in a desert where there is evidently only 1 person buying?

[Anonymous No.10878650]

>every time one of these threads gets posted

[Anonymous No.10878663]

>>10876537
They're offering the platform. Every worker is free to start his own platform if he wants to. Also people should stop acting like there are no benefits of being an employee. You get a secure salary, can leave on time, the company sometimes pays your social security, offers day care for you children, gives you a car, gives you food... I think nowadays a company is allowed to "exploit" you if that means using your time and giving you a lot in favour. We don't live in 19th century factorys anymore. Most people complaining about "m-muh exploit" and capitalism are faggots doing globohomo crap jobs in NY or LA anyway

[Anonymous No.10879039]

>>10878650
High quality meme actually, I'm going to spam it a lot.

[Anonymous No.10879046]

>>10876537
Then don't exploit your workers nigga god damn, go pay your own workers more.

[Anonymous No.10879097]

>>10876914
>>10878550

More proof communists only want free gibs and have no interest in working

[Anonymous No.10879103]

>>10878650
>I don't like gay people
>You must secretly be gay
>I don't have a problem with rich people
>you must secretly think you are going to be rich

Why are leftists so retarded?

[Anonymous No.10880078]

>>10876537
>if you didn't exploit niggers to pick up your cotton how would you get paid $250?

[Anonymous No.10880129]

>>10876537
To the people itt saying that the worker is welcome to start their own business

How the fuck is the worker supposed to start a business that can compete with the large business without capital to do so

This may have worked when it was just a bunch of small businesses fighting against each other but in this late stage of capitalism the risk is increased 1000x

[Anonymous No.10880136]

>>10878026
Communists and socialists love redistributing other people's money. Give them millions and they won't just be giving it to the people. They will buy themselves a mansion and spend the money on themselves while whining about how it wouldn't solve any problems if they gave it away.

They are lazy narcissists with a thirst for control.

[Anonymous No.10880306]

>>10878663
>secure salary
ok
>leave on time, the company sometimes pays your social security, offers day care for you children, gives you a car, gives you food
haha no

[Anonymous No.10880451]

>>10876537
commies are so funny. if they didn't have the infrastructure provided for them by others, and the risk taken by others, and given the job to be able to produce any value whatsoever, they would starve. how productive would the average commie be on his own without everything provided for him to then bitch about how they're "stealing" from him? probably just enough to wallow in shit and piss for a while and then starve

[Anonymous No.10880947]

>capitalism apologists

At least I admit I prosper with the tools of satan

[Anonymous No.10881824]

>>10880129
And you just answered OP's question. Businessmen deserve profits because they invested their money, risking to lose it all by getting crushed by the competition.

[Anonymous No.10881923]

Capitalism sucks but every other system is even worse and just amplifies its problems.

[Anonymous No.10882020]

If those workers are being exploited why don't they create their own company and reap all the fruits of their labor?

[Anonymous No.10882332]

>risking it all to start a business
>literally a separate legal entity with limited liability

Oh wow so risky,

>implying you can't wind up company and fuck off creditors at a moments notice

[Anonymous No.10882355]

>>10878650
this is literally the point of capitalism and why it works... people are incentivised to work hard and create their own businesses so that they too can become rich. at least with capitalism you have a chance of escaping the rat race. with communism your stuck in it until the day you die.
kys commie.