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Why do normies love their careers so much?

>> No.10423035

collective self-delusion that defines meaning and status in their miserable pointless lives

>> No.10423085

>>10423012
Because they feel accomplished. Although their success and hard work is usually for someone else.

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It gives them something to occupy their minds with. They can't be left alone for too long.

>> No.10423178

They don't. If they suddenly inherited wealth or won the lottery, they wouldn't even show up the next day to say bye to everyone. They just feel the need to pretend so they can impress their bosses and make their friends think they're happy.

>> No.10423200

>>10423178
I have a feeling more of them would at least attempt to start businesses and free themselves though.
Maybe women have something do with it, as they encourage men to stick with stable careers and not take risks.

>> No.10423663

>>10423012
>Why do normies like doing things to stay off the streets
Wonder why, great thread op, very insightful

>> No.10423724

>>10423012
Was talking to some bitch the other day who kept going on about how she loved her career etc she was going to graduate medical school very soon. I asked her why she's looking to date if she's just going to be working 80 hours a week for the next decade - what's the appeal? She said it's appealing to "another professional". I told her a childless serious relationship well into my 30s just sounds like LARPing.

Sad to think of how many quality individuals aren't going to reproduce because they fell for the "career" meme

>> No.10423738

>>10423724
>told her a childless serious relationship well into my 30s just sounds like LARPing.
That sounds great in theory, you just meet her at night and fuck, then you don't have to see her again until 24 hours later.

>> No.10423761

>>10423724
>quality individuals
as your see, most aren't

>> No.10423770

Stockholm Syndrome.

>> No.10423772

>>10423738
Why would I want to be fucking some bitter workaholic 10 years from now with bags under her eyes and aging coffee skin when I could be out getting my dick sucked by some fresh 20 year old college slut. That's why I said - a childless relationship with such a woman is just a fucking LARP.

>> No.10423839

are there any normies here? i have a theory and maybe you can verify

normies are the human equivalent of animals. i dont mean that as an insult - on the contrary i think animals are very good. animals are born with the genetic and social coding to do exactly what they are supposed to do. how does a wolf become a wolf? it just does by being born and being around other wolves. never once did a wolf "practice" or "work" at being a wolf. its the same thing with normies. going to work for a normal person is no different than going to highschool or going clubbing or having a birthday party for their kids. its all a static blur of life. if you asked how someone could work and commute 60 hours a week making 70k theyd say "thats just what i do" you can look at them and say that's awful, but it isbt awful for then its just what they do. a wolf has a horrible life, its cold, its violent, its hungry, but if you asked the wolf hed say "it's fine"

people say "red pill vs blue pill" but i dont think normies received any pill at all

>> No.10423858

>>10423839
In a way, but they are also all kinds of fucked up (and they have no idea) because humans evolved to hunt and gather in the woods, not live in cubicles. There are reward mechanisms that are left unfulfilled. Basically the human equivalent of living in a zoo.

>> No.10423871

>>10423839

It’s just a failure in big picture thinking on their part

Most people are very short sighted and concrete

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>>10423839
very interesting analysis. you could say this correlates with intelligence as well - normies are dumb as rocks and thus content.

I personally think of normies as being NPCs, they don't seem real.

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>>10423724
>working 80 hours a week

I work 40 and it's more than enough. 80 hours a week is insane. They are killing themselves.

>> No.10423910

>>10423885
If you're a doctor on at a hospital you will get called at 2, 3, 4 in morning to come in and perform a surgery for some idiot that got a febreeze bottle stuck up their ass.

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>>10423910

I know some people in the banking world who are working +80 hours a week on average and get like 4 hours sleep a day.

Yes they earn a lot of money but they are pissing their best years away. It's insane and not right imo.

>> No.10423940

>>10423012
I fly jets for a living. The worst part is being on the road so often, but even that isn't all bad. At worst I end up checking out the local scene and have a drink or two before heading back to the hotel. It's a useful skill set, it's challenging, I get to meet cool people, visit cool places, and the pay is good. Don't get me wrong I'd rather buzz around in a cub all day with the doors off in the back country somewhere, but I wouldn't be half as sharp/skilled as I am now if I didn't pursue it as a career.

I also don't intend to work til anywhere near retirement age unless I'm really loving the company I'm with at that point. Helps to have options. And the 3-4 days a week off isn't bad.

>> No.10423977

>>10423940
sounds lonely as shit

>> No.10423985

>>10423012
I hate mine, I plan on hopping jobs until I retire

>> No.10423987

How must one awaken when they are asleep?

>> No.10423989

>>10423178
exactly. If money disappeared tomorrow people would stop working. They're just trapped in a collective delusion

>> No.10423992

>>10423012
they have to say they like their job. it's the only option other than admitting your life sucks going from cube to box to cube. it's insanity

>> No.10424010

>>10423977
Nah when I'm at home I hang with my girl and my cat. When I'm on the road if I have a cool crew who doesn't slam-click (go straight to the hotel room and stay in all day/night) we usually have some fun. Worst comes to worst I visit friends who live in other states I normally wouldn't get to see or walk around by myself and take in what ever the city I'm in has to offer. There are a good bit of over nights in bumble fuck towns but I enjoy the small town Americana from time to time, good change of pace from where I live.

>> No.10424011

>>10423012
I'm in college (net profit of $6000 per semester due to scholarships) for Aerospace Engineering. I sometimes trade stocks, but sadly I didn't ride the road of Bitcoin and shitcoins.
I really enjoy solving problems during both class and my internships, especially when a test model is done and actually works as planned. I live for it. My dream is to become a professor, though, because I have lots of experience teaching others and really enjoy it.
Although, I may be autistic because I actually enjoy coding.
Tl;dr- I'm an engineer and I luv it

>> No.10424015

Is it better to have a career and stay at one job, hoping you will never get fired or laid off? Or to take advantage of the gig economy and work multiple part time jobs at once?
I got laid off from my last full time job and I've been worried ever since, so now I just work 3-4 part time jobs, because if one doesn't work out, at least I have the other jobs
Am I just being a stupid brainlet about this? I'm considering taking up another part time job because of this fear

>> No.10424021

>>10423977
It really is what you make of it desu. I know dudes who hate being on the road/in hotels/ away from home often. I wonder why the fuck they picked this career lol.

>> No.10424025

>>10424011

You’re in college you idiot

>> No.10424027

>>10424015
I wouldn't say multiple jobs at once but rather multiple different jobs in different careers and different companies. There's people at my current job who've been there Bill Clinton was president and they're basically dinosaurs. They don't know how to do anything else.

>> No.10424043

>>10424015
The only way you make salary jumps is by jumping jobs in your field of choice. Very rare will you get a significant pay bump at the same company. I don't know why the fuck you have 4 jobs, that's retarded.

>>10423992
You're applying your way of thinking to normies. They fuck around and work and so long as they go slam a few brewskies on the weekend and watch some Netflix, they're content.

>> No.10424045

>>10424025
Yes, but I've had several internships. Great time, and I could only see it being better once I get a better project in the real job.

>> No.10424076

>>10424045

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

t. 3rd year out of school engineer

>> No.10424125

>>10423012

I don't know man, sounds like a horrible fucking waste of time to me(except the money of course). I guess they like it because of the money and status they get. The typical normie's whole life revolves around trying to impress other normies. It's like they enjoy making other normies feel jelly about their life, career, relationship etc. Also most normies are brainwashed into thinking you're a worthless piece of shit if you don't basically work yourself to death. No normie, there's nothing impressive about your 80 hour work wees, it just makes you look like a retard in my eyes, sorry.

>> No.10424188

>>10423178

>They don't. If they suddenly inherited wealth or won the lottery

I don't think so actually. I've heard normies unironically say they'd get bored if they never had to work. Also they need the validation, the average normie would get crushed by the stigma of being permanently unemployed.

>> No.10424281

>>10424125
>>10424188
>they'd get bored if they never had to work

Said no one ever.

>stigma of being permanently unemployed

No one cares about that. The main reason people work is to put food on the table.

>> No.10424305

>>10424281

Sorry but both your claims are just literally wrong. You've never had any normie friends(or friends in general?) have you?

>> No.10424653

>>10423035
t. Toxic INTJ with aspergers

>> No.10424709

>>10424045
might be different for you but college is innately more enjoyable and at most companies internships are crafted to be too, it's basically an advertisement for you to work there.

>> No.10424975

>>10424653
>t. assmad wagecuck

Don't you have to go to bed soon? Wouldn't wanna be late to work tomorrow and have to deal with the ol' Bossman.

>> No.10425058
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i work in crypto, i get to hang out with my friends all day and get paid

>> No.10425396

>>10424281
he's not wrong you retard. even my parents said the same shit, they'd have nothing to do if they didn't work. because the reality is most people have 0 personality(yet are often times projecting that shit claiming others to have no personality aka i don't like what you're doing) and don't have any hobbies. they wouldn't know what to do if they weren't forced to work by the system.

>> No.10425433

It's cope

I know a programmer who swears he loves his job. How the fuck do you enjoy that shit? I ask him what he likes about it and he said the snack bar

>> No.10425839

>>10425433
Programming does appeal to certain people. I've been thinking about getting into it as a hobby, and possibly using it later for business purposes/personal projects (but not for use in a wagecuck job). It's a skill that can be put to great use, and really doesn't seem that bad outside of a codemonkey environment.

>> No.10425924

>>10423839
Out of 100 people born. 99 will be normies. Only 1 will be a leader. Out of 100 leaders, only 1 will be an exceptional leader. Out of 100 of those exceptional leaders, only 1 will be a "singularity",think stevejobs, musk etc. If everyone was born a leader, who will be the followers? Humans are genetically programmed to be mindless slaves or not, or heierchies, societies and civilizations will not be possible. Im absolutely scared that i might just be another normie

>> No.10426024

>>10425396
>I don't know what the world outside of my basement is like so I just imagine it.

Whatever, special snowflake.

>> No.10426041

You can't really generalize all normies like that. People don't enjoy working, but people enjoy the ego boost that having accomplished work provides. It's like at the end of your video game and you get the victory screen.

>> No.10426097

>>10424305
You sound like you've only worked in cushy jobs or you're too dumb to read people.

>> No.10426156

I'm a software developer and I honestly love my job. Writing code is something I do as a hobby anyways so I basically get paid large amounts of money to do my hobby. Coworkers are good enough to provide decent social interactions. Only downside is I don't get to pick what projects to work on and putting up with the classic business "lets touch base" cucks in other departments.

>> No.10426265

>>10424010
That sounds neat. I believe as long as you don't take the normie-route you'll eventually succeed finding some kind of happiness.
There aren't a lot of people that don't sell their own time for money, self-employed or not. But by finding specific paths you can really maximize that equation. I work between 5-10 days/week and am still able to build a lot of capital.

Normie kids are brought up by normie-parents. The parents tell the kids to think in the long run, but in reality they just want their kids to graduate and take the first offer they get. When the kid get flustered by the job the parents will tell him "think about the big picture, quitting right now would look really bad on your resume". The kid looses his will to live before 30, accepting his dull life and becomes a new generation of normie-breeder a few years later. People love getting cucked just to write a new line on the resume. Who cares about life when you couls be fucked over by it instead.

>> No.10426372

>>10426156
It's weird that you don't take part in picking projects, sounds like bad management. Surely there are some tech people who do?

>>10423012
A job can be a place where you use other people's resources as leverage to change things. Resources can be money, but also reputation, position, relationships, history.

Way I see it, you have 3 options:
- find ways to mooch from society without changing anything. Best case, you're like a well-off NPC in one of those in-game houses whose doors you can't open. Contribute nothing, yet live well.
- become proficient in an area, spend some time to get used to it, then keep doing what you know how to do (be a normie)
- find gaps and trends, use the leverage you have access to to change things. Increase leverage, change more things. Repeat. In this case life's a rollercoaster and lots of people hate you but at least you're passing the time in an interesting way.

Either way, in the end you will die. All of us are normies in that regard. Unless of course someone in the third category finds a way to extend our lifespans to 2-3-400 years. Better make sure the crypto gainz keep compounding in case that happens.

>> No.10426374

My job is just more interesting than other stuff in my life. I don't care about social recognition or expectation.

>> No.10426439

>>10426372
More specifically, choosing projects on a larger scale. If you work for a company that sells financial software, it is unlikely you will be working on a game engine.

If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd quit my job and work on whatever I want to. I suppose in that sense I don't "love" my career,.

>> No.10426489

they dont

its all cope boyo

if there was no cope in this world we'd all just either kill ourselves or those who stand in our way of what we want

civilisation is built on cope.

>> No.10426505

>>10423200
This x1000000

>> No.10426533

>>10424281
>Said no one ever.
Alot of people say this. Ironically enough its the same people who complain about the day dragging on and wanting to go home.

>> No.10426552

Im going to be a senior in college studying MIS and I have only one internship as some small environmental energy monitoring thing my dad's friend owns. My parents forced me to take summer classes rn and Im scared shitless that Im about to graduate next spring with not enough internship experience.

>> No.10426557

>>10426489
>when the individual stops deluding themselves, he can conquer the world, when the collective stop deluding themselves, the world falls apart

>> No.10426558

>>10423012
I don't know why women care about careers (they're biologically stupid anyway), but men at least need to occupy their time with something and career is also an indicator of wealth and status when attracting a mate.

>> No.10426596

>>10426557
saved

>> No.10426616

People who say they don't care about their careers are always in some dead-end unskilled job.

Almost all engineers say that they would keep working even if they had enough money to never work again.

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>>10423663
Them doing it to stay of the streets doesn't mean they enjoy doing it, brainlet. Diabetics need to take insulin to survive, but that doesn't mean they like stabbing themselves with a needle.

>> No.10426688

>>10423770
/thread

>> No.10426709

>>10425839
Someone wise told me once - “I program for myself. And at office I manage”. Can assert being a programmer for 12 years. It’s not programming, it’s how you apply that to a business or project. Unfortunately for most coampanis, programmers are just code-monkey (known as JAP in SV circles) and are not in positions to decide what gets built. Product managers / marketing managers / domain-experts get to decide that. So be a domain-expert (banking / supply-chain etc) first and then let programming skills to augment your overall skillset. Don’t romanticise Zuck-Gates tribes.

>> No.10426860

>>10426558
Women are becoming masculine and men are becoming feminine.
Soon enough you'll have one sex fucked by jews

>> No.10426918

>>10426860
Yeah. It's sad.
There's this cute feminine girl at work who I was going to ask out, she is giving me very clear signs of interest but I'm focused on making money. I did some research into her (I am an autist after all) and found out she wrote articles on feminism and generally hating on men. It just baffles me the hypocrisy of these women, it's a symptom of the jewish disease, in a functioning society I could easily spend my entire life with her........ but no, instead it becomes a """job""" to deprogram the propaganda and risk her feeling "entitled" to my wealth if shit hits the fan.

It's all so tiring.

>> No.10426941

>>10423012
because trained aspirations make weak convictions easy to rationalize.

Their identity is what someone wants them to do, or is derived from what they consume.

>> No.10426962

>this thread
I wonder how many of you faggots would an hero if you lost your comfy basements and internet connection for more than a month.

>> No.10427017

>>10426962
cope

>> No.10427059

>>10423012
humans seek progress, even those biggest neckbeard faggot NEET wants some progress in their life even if it's just advancing in a video game or completing the 6th season of Breaking Bad or w/e

Normies use their career to achieve this sense of progress, working towards promotions, miniscule salary increases, or material gains like a newer vehicle, bigger house, etc.

There is no "meaning to life" but staying busy and striving for progress in one form or another is what drives every single person.

>> No.10427171

>>10426962
haha probably all my wagiefriend. lol, making career is so great isn't it you guys? omg Im doing another study on science and technology, gonna get a raise, Im sure of it. We're such good goys arent we, we deserve a week vacation.

>> No.10427278

>>10427017
>>10427017
Can't tell if ironic or literally regresed to r9k-grade neet schizophrenia.

>> No.10427326

>>10423885
Here in Greece is very common

>> No.10427586

>>10425924
Exactly.

By virtue of frequenting this board you are unequivocally not a normie. I even had a colleague say the other day "What's reddit?".

WE consider redditors normies, yet there is a branch of normies that are even more normie.

>> No.10427619

>>10424011
>barely out of college
>dude doing work is fun !

lmao

>> No.10427651

>>10425433
Programming is amazing to learn as an alternative way to see the world and ideas in a logical manner, in fact I would say it's almost necessary to learn in order to have affinity with technology and the processes behind it, as for ACTUALLY programming, like, the menial day-to-day? The horror.

>> No.10427770

>>10423012
money
inheritance
luck
or
crypto

take your pick
outiside of this you a wage cuck for the best part of your life or neet

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>>10423839
What do anons dictate as being a normie? Friends, GF, college, watching sports ball,having a drinky beer at the club, mindless consumerism and obliviousness to the (((system)))? I mean I have friends am not a virgin and have to wage cuck 40 hours a week but I fucking hate bars/clubs, (((pop culture))) and being a wage slave for mr. Shekelstein. Is the bigger qualifier for Normiedom just being a good goy and blindly following whatever the electric Jew tells you and never having introspective thoughts and wanting to learn how things really are?

>> No.10428448

>>10427651
I love coding/working on development projects in my spare time - mainly because I get to choose the project/scope and don't have to deal with the bullshit business 'culture' that's shoved down our throats.

Now everyday i have to go to work to do the same fucking thing, i struggle not to kms

>> No.10428579

>>10426552
>falling for the internship meme
Lmao I have the same degree and just sold weed all through college, sure finding a job fresh out of school with no IT experience was rough but I did like 8 interviews and eventually landed something that’s pretty fucking comfy with my own office doing work that’s easy as fuck in my eyes. Tech is awesome, sometimes fixes are so damn simple and retarded old boomers think you’re a genius because you know how to setup a computer or install software.

>> No.10428598

>>10423012
What you need to understand is that "jobs and careers" are things that only mindless drones can do without objecting. Normies have no souls; they're like NPCs in a video game. Because they are mindless drones, they are literally created to wage slave. That's literally what they're built for. We can't have a society without the worker drones.

>> No.10428625

>>10423738
Fucking is overrated. As you get older, you come to appreciate the actual relationship a lot more. If I only wanted sex, I would just use an onahole, because they unironically feel better and don't get hairy or smelly like women do.

>> No.10428938

>>10424045

lmao. so naive.

>> No.10429083

>>10423839
>people say "red pill vs blue pill" but i dont think normies received any pill at all

I think thats it. They still live in a state before they start asking any questions and ever have to choose to take any pill.

>> No.10429414

>>10428579
>retarded old boomers think you’re a genius because you know how to setup a computer or install software

Your helping them stay in power. Dont work for people dumber than you, it's bad for the market.

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>>10423884
Everyone has their own thoughts and dreams, y'all aren't special because you're too useless to participate in gainful employment.

>> No.10429643

>>10429547
>Everyone has their own thoughts and dreams

NPCs want bigger houses and nicer cars. That's not the same as their own thought. That's marketing working through them.

>> No.10429696

>>10429643

And you think your counter-cultural or antisocial tendencies makes you unique? That persona is largely informed by things that you read on 4chan and whatever else you browse. You're an automaton just as much as them, you're just taking from a different source.

>> No.10430063

>>10429696
This.

We're all normies, nerds / 4chan aspergers is just another form of nerd normies.

There's no escaping, unless you let go of your identity and judgemental thinking and just "be"

>> No.10430084

>>10429696
To add, nerds / 4channers think they're smart (maybe) and special but they're just as cringe as the normies they hate upon.

Normies are dumb but at least they get laid instead of being an incel watching anime and browsing the internet and laughing at memes.

>> No.10430114

>>10423885
t. Resident currently working 80 hour weeks regularly.

Feels bad man.

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>>10430084
Mfw I watch anime and laugh at memes and have sex all the time

>> No.10430206

>>10430127
Nice :D

>> No.10430246

>>10429547
I think this image is very good
But nevertheless there are people who are designed to think as they are taught by the media, they are the perfect slaves of big companies

Normies are real bro but there are also people who believe that everyone is a "normie"

>> No.10430248

>>10429696
>You're an automaton just as much as them, you're just taking from a different source.

I'm too dumb to retain anything

>> No.10430280

>>10429696
>makes you unique
By comparison yes. You will always find someone who shares some traits with you.
Beeing a slave like normies are is not acceptable.

>>10430084
Dude bruh, get laid lmao.

Grow up, sex isnt everything and it is this ideology that lets women be vile sluts

>> No.10430525

>>10428579
internships were never supposed to be for people in the IT business or autistic automaton work. In my opinion, those kinds of careers/fields should come with in-the-field experience provided by the school.

I think internships are among the most important experiences you can have if you are are part of a more intellectually demanding job. If you're going into any of the general grad degrees (medical, law or business) then you better have several internships under your belt. You can have a phd in whatever, if Im hiring you and you dont have a solid background of experience in a field YOU chose then I wont hire you, I dont want someone who just coasted through school. If youre interested in any type of academic or research career then you better start interning your freshman year, because you are competing with people that have been gunning for the job youre applying for since they were 10. People that end up making millions by working at think tanks are people that have been hanging around those offices since they were teenagers (and no, nobody is that smart that they can figure out what they are doing, the sheer broadness of information one needs to be familiar with would go over most peoples heads).

>>10423012
Careers arent bad and it doesnt mean you are a robot if you have one. But they are not for everyone. For example, I could see myself staying at my career field for the next ten years, but I am also nurturing several side businesses and expecting a large inheritance. I think that running your own business can be just as exhilarating as achieving your top goal in your career (getting that job you always wanted) its the same feeling. The problem is that most people dont have the safety net to experiment with other ways of making money or they simply dont know how or dont have the confidence to do so. There is also the factor of interest. A lot of careers are REALLY interesting like politics, archaeology, law, food.....

>> No.10430613

>>10423012
I work at a helpdesk for a fortune 500 and these motherfuckers live their careers, it's insane to me. They work at work, work at home, work on weekends, constantly working. On a few occasions I check out their social media and it's just all company related shilling, I don't care how much money they might make. Sounds like hell slave shit.

>> No.10430631

>>10430084
>muh incel
Is this the new "cuck" now that "cuck" is old and tired?

>> No.10430638

>>10430280
Sex is literally everything. Like from a biological level to the very structure of our society. Beta faggots dont understand this and this is why they get pushed around their whole lives. Nobody cares if you are "unique". The more you try to be, the less you are. A chad sees through you just as much as you see through his muscle brain. If the object of your life is not gaining power (i.e. through sex or by increasing your alpha so that you can have more sex) then just kill yourself. Everything you do, gaining money, discovering new things, grooming and even eating and working out-is all so that you may somehow escape the beta cycle and mate with an alpha female. If you think your brain was designed to "please" yourself then you need to read more books. Even spiritual enlightenment exists to facilitate further progeny

>> No.10430708

>>10430638
Sex isn't everything, relationships are anon. Men who don't realize that are the same guys who fuck up and lose their women, hunting for sex is fine but it is ultimately meaningless if you cannot hold on to your catch. Which is the hard part.

>> No.10431017

>>10430638
Good boyboy

As for the rest of your post, its simple social ladder shit. I dont care about it. Most people are self serving subhuman slaves. Rising up in this world, is like rising up in a crime syndicate. Who cares.

>to please yourself
Im a creature born with the genes to please myself both mentally and physically.

>>10430708
>relationships
hahahhhahahah

Have fun pursuing relationships with a creature that does not love and is designed to be a receiver not a giver

>> No.10431051

I also hate normies and their career bullshit.

That's why I have chosen to become an accountant. I will not work overtime and because the job is easy sitting in a chair, I will use my freetime to live life.

Also it pays enough, maybe I can also work part time.

Is this a good choice to escape the rat race? It is funny because accounting is seen as the most cucked cubicle job ever kek. But once I know how it works I can do my work listening to music and use my skills one day to get my own small business or shit like that

>> No.10431064

>>10423885
80 hours a week is CASUAL
come to bay street

>> No.10431085

>>10431051
If you get your license and open your own shop or partner with another like minded person. Be the boss of gtfo

>> No.10431098

>>10431051

>not working overtime
>accounting

that's a really good way to never get any files ever

>> No.10431122

>>10430638
>If the object of your life is not gaining power (i.e. through sex or by increasing your alpha so that you can have more sex) then just kill yourself.
Lol bruh. What a shit perspective. As a human with the capability to think rationally, you do not have to succumb to your biology and base your life around these drives which provide a temporary high at best and fail to make you happy in the long run. The Buddhists were right.

>> No.10431158

>>10431098
I don't live in America kek I live in Europe.
I have also read that it depends where you work as an accountant.

>>10431085
Yes but I think accounting is also good for every other business you start.

>> No.10431331

>>10423012
It gives them something to talk about since they have no thoughts of their own

>> No.10432250

>>10431122
>Lol bruh

Yeah no rationality is a mode for humans to further their reproduction and other biological needs. All higher thought is mere justification for the chaos of life.

>The Buddhists were right
Like i said, even spiritual enlightenment is meant to regulate human complacency. People dont go to church because they seek salvation, they go because the world seems chaotic and pointless if they dont. Everything about our world is about continuing the order and making things slightly better every generation. Thats true enlightenment bruh

>> No.10432312

>>10427326
kek you thought you could just slip that by

>> No.10432541

>Yeah no rationality is a mode for humans to further their reproduction and other biological needs.
This is true for more people, except for humans who are immune to such needs.

>All higher thought is mere justification for the chaos of life.
You don't know that. We know so little about why we are here that to assert that there is no meaning is to create another baseless assumption.

>>10432250
>Everything about our world is about continuing the order and making things slightly better every generation. Thats true enlightenment bruh
True enlightenment, among other things, is realizing all beliefs are equally false and only exist in relation to one another. Including both sides of this very argument.
It is something that is real and attainable. The process to get there involves abandoning the rituals and social structures that got you there. The true spiritual pursuit is not a distraction from the chaos but rather the willingness to face it head-on - to dive into nothingness. (Of course most people are not aware of this nor would they want to give up everything that they believe is true, even if it meant peace for the rest of their lives).
It has no pragmatic or social purpose aside from being a way for people to attain peace within their consciousness.
When you attain peace, you are free from the frantic need to fulfill your biological drives, and hence it is in a sense the antithesis to biological drives or successful reproduction.

>> No.10432548

>>10432312
Haha

>> No.10433136

>>10426558
>I don't know why women care about careers
They assume that men are attracted to the same things that they are, and thus that having a high-status career will make them more desirable to the top chads they want. In reality, no man wants an old, bitter wagehag with a sense of entitlement and ridiculous expectations. By the time they understand it's usually too late.

It's not a plot by the Jews, it's just women being stupid. They do it to themselves.

>> No.10433422

>>10432541
Yeah paraphrasing Suzuki doesnt mean you understand anything.

>When you attain peace
lol have you? The human body is not designed to feel peace, even patients in comas have bouts of anxiety

>You don't know that. We know so little about why we are here that to assert that there is no meaning is to create another baseless assumption.

Its not an assumption nor is it baseless. Higher thought has historically only lead to creation of higher orders of human control. Buddhism and Neo-Platonism have led to nothing more than a newer society with its own new niche. No one's "enlightenment" has ever changed society towards abandonment of societal structures but has only restructured them and reinforced the primary axiom: eat and reproduce.

>> No.10433827

>>10433136
They don't want to be dependant on dickhead males. The fact that they can walk at any time makes the male behave a little bit better, if it's possible for men.

>> No.10434275

>>10433827
lolno, they want to be dependent on a rich chad rather than the men they would normally have to settle for. Tragically, the end up settling anyway because men don't care about women's careers.

>> No.10434304

>>10431017
>Have fun pursuing relationships with a creature that does not love and is designed to be a receiver not a giver

retarded incel spotted

>> No.10434549

I'm a career scientist and I don't feel like I work a day in my life because I love waking up every morning. I will never retire either.

>> No.10434558

>>10430280
>Women are sluts
It hurts that you can't just fuck around as they do, doesnt't it? You are jealous. You wanna be like them, becoming a manslut or even... you wanna be them, fantasizing about getting fucked in the ass by the chads.
>>10431017
> Ugghhhh dem women can't love
Fucktard. Seriously either you are an incel who has been cucked by women for too long because you are showing feelings and expecting the same and some cunts are just keeping you around because its fun or an incel who always fantasizes about raping women on the street and noone smiles back at you because you look like a fucking rapist.
Either way women are quite capable of loving but no vagina is obligated to show you interest just because you show them interest.
Grow the fuck up instead of keep going on like a butthurt little cuck!

>> No.10434597

>>10433422
>Yeah paraphrasing Suzuki doesnt mean you understand anything.

I have no idea who that is. Everything I mentioned is from personal experience. You can only reach it if you put trust into the word of humans who have reached enlightenment like Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharshi (who, by the way, are not religious in the slightest).
The words are meant to point at something that is already within your experience rather than to be understood as an abstract concept.

>lol have you? The human body is not designed to feel peace, even patients in comas have bouts of anxiety

Yep. I used to have panic attacks. This is no longer the case.
You create your own reality. If you believe what you said above, that will be precisely your experience. If you believe that you are responsible for your experience and that your thoughts do not inevitably follow the rules of biology, that will be your experience.

>Its not an assumption nor is it baseless. Higher thought has historically only lead to creation of higher orders of human control. Buddhism and Neo-Platonism have led to nothing more than a newer society with its own new niche. No one's "enlightenment" has ever changed society towards abandonment of societal structures but has only restructured them and reinforced the primary axiom: eat and reproduce.

The problem is that you are stuck talking about society, while I am talking about the experience of consciousness itself. You have to direct your consciousness at itself rather than at abstract concepts before you will understand what I'm saying.

>> No.10434986

>>10434597'

>Yep. I used to have panic attacks
This is not the type of peace Buddha or most eastern philosophy deals with. You'd understand that if you read Suzuki or Sinnet. Its a deep all encompassing peace which even the Buddha said was completely contradictory to human nature. Basically only by letting everything go can you become enlightened...hence my earlier suggestion that if you are not committed to the lifecycle of power and sex then kill yourself...

>The problem is that you are stuck talking about society

thats my whole point you retard. Whatever subjective experience you think you have is just that...in your head. The practical effect of you having that experience is to pacify your mind and body so that our species continues to replicate itself until it becomes inferior to another or speciates.

My point is biology creates society and biology creates consciousness. All of your thoughts, ideas and feelings are preprogrammed modes for you to enter into. All of these modes are designed to exist so that society can continue the death/creation cycle into infinitum. Think of it like the Matrix, the One is designed to continue liberating Zion over and over again so that humanity appears to have choice and hope, even though it is part of a larger scheme to keep humans breeding

>> No.10435095

>>10434558
>this

>> No.10435231

>>10423012
Maybe they like a steady paycheck?

>> No.10435376

>>10434986
>This is not the type of peace Buddha or most eastern philosophy deals with.
Sure it is. Panic attacks are nothing more than anxiety at its peak. It is the same basic energy, but gone out of control.
That deep peace is what is already there, it's just hard to see because it's buried underneath several layers of conditioned thoughts and emotions. Especially the idea that the 'self' is real.

>hence my earlier suggestion that if you are not committed to the lifecycle of power and sex then kill yourself...
That is what you're doing in a sense when you let go of everything. It doesn't mean you have to physically die.

>The practical effect of you having that experience is to pacify your mind and body so that our species continues to replicate itself until it becomes inferior to another or speciates.
Not really, that's exactly what happens on its own when people live the default state, which is to chase biological drives.
An enlightened person has no need to fulfill these drives. Notice how the vast majority of jnanis don't have children.
Of course there are countless unenlightened people who buy into Eastern philosophy because it's a "hip" thing to do. That's the default state I'm talking about. There are Buddhist academics who can recite any passage of the Buddhist texts at will, but have never actually looked at their own consciousness That has nothing to do with actually living it.
Those who actually follow the teachings beyond the conceptual, academic level find out that they're actually pointing to something you can verify for yourself.

>>10434986
>My point is biology creates society and biology creates consciousness. All of your thoughts, ideas and feelings are preprogrammed modes for you to enter into.
My point is that you can exit the Matrix if you want to. The blackpill is that the Matrix is a small facet of consciousness, and that science itself is a construction within the Matrix. Consciousness itself is something much larger than the Matrix.

>> No.10435830
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10435830

Wow... I thought you guys were joking when you post "le wagecucks" and "have fun working for mr noseburg XDXDXD", but fuck you all are actually serious.

Is it actually beyond your grasp that anyone could want to work a job that they like working?
Is it impossible that people would like to give back to society, and at the end of the day say that they left the world better than when they woke up this morning?

I mean, not all jobs are like that, some are soulless, like menial fast food jobs and jobs where you literally just try and dick people over all day like insurance people.

I'm working towards a degree in Finance and Mathematics and am looking to get my masters in actuarial science.
My dream job is to manage 401k and retirement funds so that I can help people retire. I want to work, not for LE MONEY GRUBBING JEWS GOOD GOYIM, but for people who want to be financially free at the end of their careers.

If I won the lottery, I would just pay for college with it and live it up before I took my sweet time finding the perfect job and invest the money. Going out and buying a sports car and getting my dick sucked by roasties would be the last thing I, and most normal people, would do with it.

>inb4 anything to have to do with Jews
>inb4 wage slavery

>> No.10436541

>>10435830
>the last thing most normal would do with it

Kek. Have you ever actually talked to a normal person? It's what they all do when they win the lottery.

>> No.10436600

>>10435830
You will fuck people up anon. Your ideals will become the very opposite of what you do. Every economic recession will fuck up the retirement funds and the only way to save those funds to an extend will be fucking others up. If you are a fund manager, you are playing a zero sum game automatically. You can't help everyone, you will fuck someone, sometimes the very people you try to help out.
I am not against wagecucking, as long as people take the redpill first and really choose to become a part of the herd by taking the blue pill afterwards.
Freedom, liberty... Those words are the things most people thrive for but in essential what most of us thrive for is the illusion of freedom. Freedom comes with a cost. In order to have a fullfilling life, you need shitloads of discipline to go for the delayed gratification: Learning, eating healthy, doing sports regularly, working on something every single fucking day even it is hard... Most of us are just happy blaming everything around them but themselves for their unhappiness and dissatisfaction they get out of life
> muh boss is a dick. if I was in his position, this place would be better
> I drink too much because of my job. If I didn't have my job, I would quit drinking / doing drugs
> I don't have enough money because I am paying for two mortgages
> I need to earn more money to pay for the hospital bills because this is Ummmerica. I don't have to get a fucking health insurance
> I will quit my job when I have 1 million dollars and live a happy life
The list goes on and on. Illusions keep growing more and more...

>> No.10436668

>>10435376
1000x this, as someone who is practising ego-dilution by learning eastern spirituality and mysticism. The core part is science itself is a construct of scientists and it can only be analysed objectively without any subjective experience. Modern consciousness reserach is questioning the scientific-method itself (like how you refute a hypothesis. Do you always use sensors rather than experiences of real participants) and more the “scientific world view” (which is more dangerous than scientific method itself. it means Cartesian-Darwinian-Newtonian-Classical Economics driven world view we all are conditioned to believe so that society or civilisation can create an illusion of purpose). This classical worldview is already challenged by modern physics (quantum mechanics and quantum consciousness). Classical science and economics are not exactly wrong. They are just partial truth correct enough to keep us conditioned like in Matrix. But when you look into modern physics/observer-dependency of experiments or approach it via eastern introverted mysticism you experience (it’s not blind faith; just like classical science, it’s exoerinece based and highly subjective) same truth. Lying beneath of all social conditioning there lies an energy (prana) within all of us and we are all interconnected in a way that we only beginning to understand. The real redpill is “non-dualist Vedanta” and “Kashmiri Shaivasm”.

Finding purpose and identity within work is a social conditioning that is keeping us dissatisfied. The truth we already have everything within us and we just have to look inward and let go out endless aspirations. Mother Earth and rest of the species will be fine if we stop doing “innovation and disruptions” in SV style. What matters is inner engineeeing and introspections to our own minds.

>> No.10436735

>>10436600
doubt it bud.

>> No.10436748

BTW, spirituality is actually highest “self-actualisation” you can achieve in Maslow’s pyramid. But I it’s a luxury if you have your lower levels (in pyramid) unfulfilled. So achieve FI first to get out of capitalism conditioning and then pursue your hobby or practise spirituality with ultimate goal to help people who are unprivileged or who needs guidance in life (like we all did once)

>> No.10436848

>>10428408

Having friends/GF/watching sports and drinking beer are all fine. I define a normie as someone who takes nothing but the most superficial interest in anything, who has no curiosity and no desire for truth. Real truth, not just what everyone else thinks or what we are presented with. This is in contrast to the "autist" who has deep curiosity, but is prone to unhealthy obsessions.

>> No.10437160

>>10423885
I can't even stand working 40. I get positively loathful 5 hours into the day and by the seventh I'm crawling on the ceiling. Then I go home and am too tired and stressed to do anything useful (working on it. For some reason my body wants 9 hours of sleep a day and that's hard to pull off.)
My job is as good as I could ask for although the pay is mediocre (not bad, just mediocre.) I have a private office, I can listen to audiobooks or audio lessons to educate myself all day, I'm on my phone like an hour or two a day and boss still says I'm the most productive employee. Free food and drinks. Pasta and caesar salad yesterday, donuts and leftovers today. I don't even buy lunch, just eat on the company's dime through the day with constant snacking. They have fruit and protein bars, I've lived on far worse. No one bothers me, no one scolds me or yells at me or tells me to work faster. Boss has no clue when I come and go, there's no timeclock. I have several duties and can do whichever I want whenever I want, no real deadlines for anything.
I'm still a miserable wretch. After I cement my position I wanted to ask to work from home at least a day or two every week. I think the worst part is being dressed up in uncomfortable clothes and put in a freezing cold office, along with the commute. My commute isn't even bad and I do it on a bike so it's exercise, but I still despise it. Because you have to wake yourself up with an alarm clock and get ready and eat and go in. I could sleep in almost an hour later if I didn't have to do all that shit.
95% of my job can be done from home, so having me go in is just needless torture.

>> No.10437187

>>10435830

>t. never actually worked a day in his little dream job

>> No.10437220

>>10436668
>eastern spirituality and mysticism
China is such a slave driving shithole you have to have suicide nets put up, and people run over children and don't stop to help, people sell each other plastic sandwiches and PCs loaded with literal rocks.
Korea and Japan both have high rates of suicide and long hours of unpaid overtime, not for productive reasons but because the boss wants to see a hard-working man who gives his whole life to the company. People don't fuck, don't marry, and their only happiness is badly drawn escapism manga and idolshit.
India is a literal shithole. The smartest ones get the fuck out over to the west. you have daily gangrapes and widow burnings.
Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar are all poverty torn shitholes.
If eastern spirituality is so great how come everyone in eastern countries is utterly miserable? You're a stupid basic white bitch who thinks anything exotic MUST be good for the fact alone that it's exotic. You're just taking a stab at your christian daddy, for the same reason mudsharks fuck niggers. You're an international spiritual whore.
t. atheist

>> No.10437859

>>10437220
So by the same metric are Christians just backstabbing their daddy pagans?

>> No.10437881

>>10426372
>find ways to mooch from society
This isn't realistic long term

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>>10437859
lets not fight each other brothers
our (((enemy))) is the one who turned our world to a present day sodom and gomorrah

>> No.10437960

>>10437220
Your counter-argument is good. Thank you !

Here is the reason they are in a shithole you just described. The "western" approach of lifestyle-and-philosophy is so tempting that they end up falling for it (the "development development and only material development meme" as symbolised by ancient tower-of-babel). Unlike west, due to population, everything has scaling-related challenges over there and same is true for development itself.

The core point is - East has lost its "eastern mystic introverted" soul. Actually if its to be found its within few liberal enlightened western (mystic / spiritual etc.) souls and within monastic lives such as Tibetan Monks.

>> No.10437967

>>10423937
Blockchain will wipe their pencil pushing jobs down the toilet.

>> No.10437985

>>10434304
Did i hurt your fee fees? It happens, you will grow up one day

>>10434558
Woah calm down dude kek. I know i hurt your fee fees too. Im sorry

Also lol at you faggots>>10434304
>>10434558
for beeing overemotional like some kind of bitches. women have shown time and again that they despise men through law and the dating scene.

Also lol at you vagina slaves for thinking incel is an insult to me. I pity them and hope they realize that women are only meant for reproduction.

Also also according to losers like you Bieber>Schopenhauer, Tesla

Shoo shoo manginas

>> No.10438033

>>10423200
>Maybe women have something do with it, as they encourage men to stick with stable careers and not take risks.

Well, this is why a broke up with my GF who was wanting me to change...

I'm a software dev who can easily make $$$, but I am working towards more ambitious goals than 9-5 stable $$$

Surprisingly she wants to reunite...
But I don't think I need a GF holding me back and relapsing into telling me that I need a 9-5 job with stable income.

>> No.10438179

>>10424045
Fuck you for having the luxury of being so retarded

You're in for a rude awakening but don't bother learning how naive you are otherwise you'll ruin the only objectively enjoyable years of your life left

YOUR LIFE ENDS AFTER COLLEGE
MAKE EVERY SINGLE DAY COUNT
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND YOU LITERALLY FIND WIFE MATERIAL GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR DORM AND FIND HER RIGHT NOW

>> No.10438220

>mfw all these leeches commenting about how internship work isn’t anything like career work.
I guess it depends on thw company and what division you work under but I had one internship in collegw that led to a full time position after I graduated and I ended up doing basically the same shit as I did during my internship.

>> No.10438245

>>10433827
Lol absolutely seething

>> No.10438277

>>10438179
Don't worry my cynical elder! I have a taller gf who joined my Orthodox Church. We're getting married after her college because of the Dependent clause for some scholarships.

Yes, I know life will not be nearly as fun once I have to deal with actual repurcussions and obligations; but that's no reason to already be defeated. I will find my happiness!
(If all goes to shit I'll run away to becoming a professor. My professors are more than willing to write me reccomendations, but I want to be a professor of practice.)

>> No.10438305

>>10437859
In my opinion yes. If I wasn't atheist I'd be pagan. Cuckstains destroyed all of western society, given to us by the Greeks (pagan) and Romans (early half, pagans.) They turned normal sexuality into a sin, while masturbating to porn in the closet. The christian faith is to tell man he is ill, to bring him to an anxious state speaking of eternal fires and demons, and to sell him the medicine for his new state of anxiety. It's sick and manipulative by its very foundation. Even now they seek only to destroy. Christianity is just like the other abrahamic faiths, it tells man that man had been born perfect and fallen to a state of filth, that society gets worse over time. That's an abusive dogma. Christianity seeks only to subjugate believers under the arm of the church and we have ample historical precedent to show this.
>>10437960
Wasn't expecting a reply like that.
If you are correct, then asian society before western influence would have been a utopia. Was it? Honestly now. If they had been living in utopia how could the western lifestyle have tempted them to begin with?
Life had been hard, 99% were peasants subsistance farming. Many were dissatisfied. Foul and cruel deeds were committed as commonplace. Beating children, raping women, war, famine, strife, abusing servants. Not to demonize them, it's prevalent across all civilizations. Was the typical asian a peaceful and happy person prior to western influence, in all honesty now? If so, then how came they to be tempted?

>> No.10438345

>>10438277
>taller
Are you gay?

>> No.10438583
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10438583

Everybody has to display a certain loyalty to their paycheck.

It isn’t just a piece of paper, but a chain that binds people

>> No.10438953

>>10426024
t. assmad basement dweller

>> No.10438979

>>10438345
Nope. I just like tall girls and she likes me being shorter. It makes cuddling pretty fun, although I am the Dom in the relationship.

>> No.10439085

>>10438953
Time to do your laundry, kid!

>> No.10439291

>>10423012
I work in the chemical field and right now I'm enjoying my career for 3 reasons: 1) I get challenging projects that require problem solving, research, and experimentation/trial-and-error. 2) Huge personal happiness when I manage to succeed at a tough project (although on the flip-side, I get depressed and obsessed when I can't figure out a solution) and 3) Social recognition. When I talk to true normies irl, I don't have to hide shamefully when asked to talk about my career. It's one of the few ways I can impress people who have the generic careers in HR or accounting for example.

It's the same with sports really. Athletes love the challenge when they're playing tough opponents, love the feeling of success, and love to show off to people. There's no mystery behind it. If you have to question it, then you've obviously never had a career and have never been very good at something that could impress people.

>> No.10439380

>>10438305
Greeks and Romans were hardly anything to admire. In fact, they used spirituality to oppress their people too, in many ways Christianity post Constantine is just a continuation of Greek/Roman state religions.

>It's sick and manipulative by its very foundation.
Really early christianity was hardly like what we perceive it today. Im not a proponent for post-judaism but I see a lot of people assuming that early St.Paul followers really believed in hell or the end of the world. Or jews who belive that adams "nakedness" is not a metaphor.

>>10435376
>That deep peace is what is already there
based on your assumption. I could just as well argue that deep anxiety is whats really there covered by layers of pacification.

>It doesn't mean you have to physically die.
No shit, but youre basically dead if you deny your programing and physical axioms...

>An enlightened person has no need to fulfill these drives.

Oh yeah? I bet you if i stuff them in a hotbox they will beg me for water within a water...hippies are literally this retarded holy shit
>My point is that you can exit the Matrix if you want to
Believing that the consciousness is larger is just human egoism. Even Schopenhauer conceded that will has its limit within the material...Consciousness is biological...youve never made contact with anything non-biological and any "contact" people make with other entities is just drug hallucinations.

>>10436668
I dont even know how to unpack this. First of all quantum mechanics doesnt challenge anything since its non-dogmatic and non-perceptive, its just one way of doing calculations and seeing the world. Not to mention quantum experiments further support Cartesian logic...Modern Consciousness doesnt question the scientific method...some people within quasi-scientific communities do that. Im not even touching the "energies". Yeah go ahead and "work on your inner self" and tell me how that fixes society. Just do us all a favor and starve yourself.

>> No.10439384

>>10429696
>and then there's this faggot
Being contrary to the contrarians just makes you an edgelord.

>> No.10439387

>>10427059
I agree. I feel like progression is the only leading factor in my life. Progression in all of my interests, coupled with reproducing and instill virtue and a keen sense of progression into my offspring and you have yourself a valuable assest to society.

>> No.10439411

>>10423012
i used to like the challenge. now it's no longer challenging. however they pay me $1000/day, so i stay. i'll probably retire in 2 years.

>> No.10439446

>>10439411
and wtf do you do where you get 1k/day?

>> No.10439514

>>10423012
I don't mind mine. I work outside, and I actually like that. The work slows down in the winter, but that's not a huge deal for me. The biggest issue I have is that I'm paid dogshit. I could get a job at McDonald's, and 8 months later make GM and double my current pay. And I have no idea what to do about it. That's the really frustrating part. I can afford to walk away if I have to, but I'm afraid. There, I said it.

>> No.10439805

>>10435830
>give back to society

this is the moment we all knew all that text was nothing but cope