/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.53128770]

https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2022/kw45-de-modernisierung-steuerverfahrensrecht-920050

>be german
> sell over 30 items on ebay or items worth over 2000€ a year

> KNOCK KNOCK
> HEY LITTLE GUY, WE SAW YOU DIDNT PAY TAX ON THE SNES GAMES YOU SOLD ON EBAY

https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2022/kw45-de-modernisierung-steuerverfahrensrecht-920050

[Anonymous No.53128784]

>>53128770
Ukraine needs money dumb goy

[Anonymous No.53128814]

>germans hate fun
>start and lose 2 world wars because they hate people having fun
Why is this a surprised for you?

[Anonymous No.53128833]

>>53128814
who taught you history?

[Anonymous No.53128845]

>>53128770
Private Veräußerungsgeschäfte are only taxed when speculative like having owned said item for less than a year. Nothingburger

[Anonymous No.53128860]

>>53128845
Yeah but they REPORT it nevertheless

Have fun probing you hold old stuff for over a year

ALSO imagine buying stuff for over 2k
The government will know what you purchased and can track everything

[Anonymous No.53128908]

>>53128860
They will not care about your one time sale and they will not care about you buying 2000€ worth of handmade custom painted dragon dildos either (even if they were to report the whole purchase history and not just user incomes)

[Anonymous No.53128920]

>>53128908
Who cares if they care?
They KNOW which is already too much

You germancucks still think things will be alright
So glad i will move abroad in october, get cucked

[Anonymous No.53128928]

>>53128860
>>53128770
Have you ever paid taxes and did a Steuererklärung? They don't give a fuck about your +/- 1000€ shit. Even up to 100k if it's not direct provable income they don't care about. They won't audit your ass over eBay shit, it's just autism laws again that will always be there but nobody checks. It's like ADHD meds being under Betäubungsmittelgesetz and technically treated like heroin or meth when you leave and enter the country but you can literally just put it everywhere and even tell the cops at the airport and they don't give a fuck because they are focusing on the big fish, actual drugs and weapons and bombs.

If it's not on your official paycheck and not going through your Gewerbe, they have no way of knowing what you do. Even if you have a Gewerbe and make 100k that you don't declare they probably won't find out until it's too late. Of course don't do that because the risk isn't worth it, but as long it's shitcoins on Binance or your dildo collection on ebay nobody gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.53128934]

>>53128770
90% of western euros are obedient cattle.

[Anonymous No.53128937]

>>53128770
that's how taxes work usually yes

[Anonymous No.53128959]

>>53128928
i literally got my bank acc frozen for 2 months and charged with money laundering for selling 2500€ worth of btc in early 2021
i still am not getting my money
you are a delusional retard

[Anonymous No.53128967]

>>53128959
Which bank?
I read Fidor doesnt give a shit but they will be gone next year

[Anonymous No.53128975]

>>53128845
Doesn't apply for stuff like airbnb, which is mentioned in OPs link

You would have to register a business anyway when having an airbnb, but i guess lots people dont, same for ebay or etsy

[Anonymous No.53128991]

>>53128959
lmao what, in 2020 and 2021 i cashed out twice, 15k and 20k. I even called the bank (Sparkasse) if there could be any problem because maybe the transaction could be suspicious and the guy on the phone literally laughed me off. You're probably some Achmed with dual citizenship who's already on a shadow list.

[Anonymous No.53129026]

>>53128920
I know where you're coming from, but this will eventually be the case in any place that is not a corrupt shithole.

You could instead just be mad they do this desperate shit instead of just introducing a tax on wealth or remind yourself that german authorities will probably store all this data on a bunch of punch cards that will just collect dust in some provincial backroom kek

[Anonymous No.53129057]

>>53128991
he laughed because none is retarded enough to announce their schwarzgeld beforehand

[Anonymous No.53129058]

>>53129026
There are always ways
Think of the small escapist island or countries where the richer stay, they wont shoot their legs

Guernsey, Jersey, Monaco, etc.
Or some territorial tax regimes when working remote

[Anonymous No.53129076]

>>53128991
if i was some achmed i'd sell coke to your hurentochter and pimp out ur mom without having to pay tax on that, i'd even get backpats from Grüne politicians, Rüdiger
enjoy your "surprise" tax claim in 2 years

[Anonymous No.53129080]

>>53129057
no, he actually laughed because that's a normal transaction that they don't give a fuck about. people constantly sell their cars, buy shit for 10k+ and so on. Back then i thought that's a big transaction but it's really nothing to a normal bank. But i also did it through Coinbase who have European bank accounts so it's probably already secure as fuck and they don't even double check, it's probably different if you get money from some Turkish kucoin exchange

[Anonymous No.53129087]

>>53129076
bank transactions have nothing to do with taxes. the bank does not give a fuck about taxes, it's your job to pay them. they just have to check if the money comes from a legitimate source and not some ISIS stock. I didn't pay a cent in taxes because i held for more than a year prior, pure fucking profit.

[Anonymous No.53129088]

>>53128770
and yet selling crypto is tax-free
I take that deal every single time

[Anonymous No.53129089]

>>53129080
well true, i transferred 20k in and out of my bank account in one day for the last car, no nothing

[Anonymous No.53129100]

>They still unironically live in G*rmany

[Anonymous No.53129102]

>>53128959
go to ing, great bank, never pulled that shit with me

[Anonymous No.53129132]

>>53129088
Austria doesnt tax crypto to crypto btw and if you hold over a year its tax free

So if you accumulate and never cash out you can make it and then move before selling

[Anonymous No.53129206]

>>53128784
fucking goyim everytiem

[Anonymous No.53129223]

>>53128967
why will they be gone?

[Anonymous No.53129434]

>>53129223
https://www.heise.de/news/Fintech-Fidor-Bank-soll-2024-liquidiert-werden-7338661.html

[Anonymous No.53129784]

>>53129434
Thank you for informing us. I how this will affect bitcoinde

[Anonymous No.53129949]

>>53129784
Expresshandel wirds wohl nimmer geben

[Anonymous No.53130327]

>>53128770
>HEY LITTLE GUY, WE SAW YOU DIDNT PAY TAX ON THE SNES GAMES YOU SOLD ON EBAY
Absolute bullshit. If you've once bought the games and then sell them, you've already paid your 19% tax.

[Anonymous No.53130517]

>>53130327
what has this to do with each other?
brainlet

[Anonymous No.53130543]

>>53128770
yeah eu is so retarded with this. millions and billions move around with no issues but someone doesn't pay tax of a 5€ transaction they send the army after you

[Anonymous No.53130882]

>>53130543
Irgendjemand muss ja aufräumen

[Anonymous No.53131644]

>>53130517
Are you retarded? You're talking about selling a SNES game on eBay and not paying taxes. You or someone else already paid taxes on the the fucking game.

This only affects people laundering money through eBay.

[Anonymous No.53131655]

ngmai

[Anonymous No.53131909]

>>53131644
you are incredible dumb
if i buy a game for 50 bucks and sell for 100 bucks, what happens ?

you are are even dumber than i thought

[Anonymous No.53132772]

ZICKE ZACKE

[Anonymous No.53133318]

>>53131909
Nothing, because games don't appreciate 100% in a year, and after a year Private Veräußerungsgeschäfte are completely tax free.

[Anonymous No.53133352]

>>53128833
He's not wrong

[Anonymous No.53133398]

>>53133318
I dont care if i would have to pay

You dont get it

They will know who bought and sold from nearly everyone who used these services
Imagine the state knowing that you change your computer every 2 years or buying a rolex 7 years ago

[Anonymous No.53134247]

Did Nazi that coming

[Anonymous No.53135167]

>>53128959
LOL

Cashed out 25 grand, no problems @ all.

[Anonymous No.53136669]

Hitlerhitlerhitler

[Anonymous No.53136840]

>>53128959
crypto is different depending on what bank you use
OP's concern is a nothingburger, they can spy on you in much more sinister ways if needed
people are generally shitty for thinking it's ok to dodge taxes on things that are obviously taxable income

[Anonymous No.53137506]

>>53133398
Yes they theoretically know everything you do. But the thing is a human has to look into it and do the work to piece the info together. Have ever been to a finanzamt? The women working there are wearing jogging pants. Nobody gives enough of a shit about those transactions to put in the work to get a couple k of tax money from you. People are lazy as fuck.
Unless somebody snitches on you nothing will happen

[Anonymous No.53137586]

>>53128770
>be brazilian
>sell a paint to myself for my credit card limit
>10x, 0% fee
>10 USD fixed fee from the online store
>cashback cover the fee and still make money out of it
I just got a 5k USD loan with free rate
And guess what, since I am buying in credit, my score went up. Now my limit increased...

Fuck this clown world, this should not be possible.

[Anonymous No.53137694]

>>53137586
I even went to the trouble of mailing it to myself just to make it more legit.

Behold, "Slava Ukrania" in watercolour. 5,000.00

Before anyone mention taxes.
This "fine work of art" is under 35k from my meme currency. It pays no taxes, not even for buying or selling it. Plus, tax fraud is not even a real crime in Brazil. My friend got a fine of 100 USD for evading tax from 2018 to 2021.

[Anonymous No.53137996]

>>53128770
same in france, it'is 3000 euros the cutoff

it fucking sucks so much

[Anonymous No.53138023]

>>53128770
These dumb threads aren't even necessary anymore, the only reasonable conversation to have on Germany is about how to leave it
So krautbros... What is it? USA? SEA? Switzerland? Make it and move to Mediterranean?
I need a way out without turning into a poorfag, however, at this point I'd rather be poor than live here. I love Germany btw, aber es ist nur noch ein Schatten von sich selbst

[Anonymous No.53138214]

>>53137506
Ever heard about IT?
Ofc noone is looking into this by hand

But if the algorithms set an alert, you are done ( accumulated information of decades then)

[Anonymous No.53140246]

>>53133352
Except he is completely.

[Anonymous No.53140252]

>>53138023
>So krautbros... What is it? USA? SEA? Switzerland?
There is no way for the white man to hide.. maybe when the lands beyond the antarctic melts we will be able to start over there without the jews.

[Anonymous No.53140285]

>>53138214
What algorithms nigger? Do you think every little shits bank account is connected to the matrix and they automatically trace every transaction? They make you pay because you fear the consequences. Just like how they made people take the vax out of fear.

[Anonymous No.53140296]

>>53129026
>german authorities will probably store all this data on a bunch of punch cards that will just collect dust in some provincial backroom kek
most likely true
have worked in municipal office (or whatever Kommunalverwaltung translates to), certain datasets had to be stored on floppy discs by law. in 2014.
E-Mails too had to be printed on paper, copied 4 times, 1 for the archive.
prolly still the case.
boggles my mind to this day.

[Anonymous No.53140354]

>>53128770
I like that Germany thinks _this_ is currently it's biggest problem.

[Anonymous No.53140366]

>>53140246
germans are autistic and retarded, fuck'em

[Anonymous No.53140391]

>>53136840
Fuck off, Mutti. All taxes are theft, even Olaf knows that.

[Anonymous No.53141234]

>>53140296
Traitor

[Anonymous No.53141287]

>>53129132
Wrong, they got rid of it being tax free
Germany is a better country for crypto investors unless you are a degenerate gambler

[Anonymous No.53141313]

>>53141287
Why do you guys here always tell fairytakes and bullshit

Crypto to crypto is NOT taxed in austria

Der Tausch einer Kryptowährung in eine andere Kryptowährungen stellt keinen Veräußerungsvorgang dar und ist daher nicht zu besteuern. Zudem sind Aufwendungen, die mit solchen Tauschvorgängen in Zusammenhang stehen (zB Transaktionskosten), steuerlich unbeachtlich, wodurch im Tauschzeitpunkt keinerlei Besteuerung erfolgt. In einem solchen Fall sind die Anschaffungskosten der übertragenen Kryptowährung auf die erhaltene Kryptowährung zu übertragen

https://www.bmf.gv.at/themen/steuern/sparen-veranlagen/steuerliche-behandlung-von-kryptowaehrungen.html

[Anonymous No.53141372]

>>53141313
My bad I misread and thought you said you can sell tax free after holding it, which you cannot anymore
But instead you said you should move before selling
If you move to a different tax region you trigger the capital gain taxes on your investments FYI

I also hate it how our laws incentivize you to gamble on shitcoins but punish you for longterm holding. You can thank our BitPanda lobby efforts for that.

[Anonymous No.53141389]

>>53141372
And how would they know?

If you can trade like mad, just convert on a kyc to monero and use a non kyc wallet to buy stuff
Also could just transfer all into xmr and move abroad, you lost the wallet...

[Anonymous No.53141417]

>>53141389
If you used a KYC exchange at any point they probably no
I don't think claiming to use your keys is going to work, but maybe you're right
But hey, 99% who "trade like mad" will lose all their money so they wont have to worry about that in the end anyways

[Anonymous No.53141421]

>>53128920
>Who cares if they care?
>They KNOW which is already too much
Yes, and they might be understaffed right now, but maybe in 5 years they make a giant employment drive for underreresented minorities, and then some shitskin will call you in 2028 on behalf of the govt and ask to see the paperwork of your ebay sales in 2023, or else you have to pay tax and fines.

[Anonymous No.53141481]

>>53141417
If you move to a wallet or non kyc, what can they do

At least you dont need to put your tax id into an exchange

[Anonymous No.53141654]

>>53128770
If this was in crypto then using privacy protocols for transactions will eventually hide everything. ZKPs should be implemented of chain as well. kekk

[Anonymous No.53141660]

>>53138023
You need to move out of the EU -> UAE

[Anonymous No.53141670]

Why are German threads always filled with angry people hating each other? No wonder Germany is going to shit.

[Anonymous No.53141701]

>>53141234
>Traitor
wtf are you talking about
i was in the postal department there not some desk asshole that denies your neetbux

[Anonymous No.53142056]

>>53141421
if you are doing actual business you should be registered as such, you're only limiting yourself and never going to grow beyond the small hustle mindset

[Anonymous No.53143210]

>>53133398
Just use Ebay Kleinanzeigen then. Ebay fees are a scam anyway.

[Anonymous No.53143308]

>>53137694
I like your painting.

[Anonymous No.53143377]

>>53143210
> just dont go to halloween/sylvester parties in the citys
> just dont visit railstations in big cities
> just pay your 80% tax and stfu

[Anonymous No.53143429]

>>53143308
Yes, it's nice, although he could use more saturated colors, it's quite blunt. >>53137694

I'd prefer color of these gemstones in that pic:
>turquoise
>citrine

>TATEJK

[Anonymous No.53143545]

>>53143429
my favorite blue is Prussian blue.

[Anonymous No.53143649]

>>53143545
This one?

[Anonymous No.53143657]

>>53143545
Or this (my fav)

[Anonymous No.53143787]

>>53143649
nice delousing room bro.

>>53143657
that's the one.

[Anonymous No.53144951]

>>53140296
Still have to do this with customer fees in a state funded library in 2022, doubt that's changed

[Anonymous No.53146759]

just use alternative decentralized marketplaces