/biz/ - Business & Finance

That both are shit and irrelevant in a few years. And also bcashies trying to smear btc is pathetic since bcash is btc but worse.

BCH is motivated by Love.
>muh dying babies
BTC is motivated by Greed.
>hodl hodl hodl

Karmic Law is a thing.

Big blocks either work and bitcoin can be money my grandma can use, or bitcoim is a useless failure.
If you dont like botcoin cash, you dont like bitcoin and i really have no idea what youre still doing with it

Sorry core fans, but LN is not good. Its not convenient. Its complete bollocks

If bitcoin cash doesnt scale successfully and stay decentralised then the experiment is over and blockchains have failed to make a viable currency.

>>9968948
>bcash is btc but worse
You fags aren’t even trying.

BTC is for global settlement by large entities, the satoshi blockchain was never meant to be the "one and only digital cash" as cashies wish it was.. Satoshi knew more effective protocols would emerge, government issued digital dollars and such.

He knew bitcoin would be used by massive entities to settle large amounts of volume globally and publicly on the chain. You weren't meant to buy your groceries with Bitcoin.

You will trade your bitcoin for walmartcoins.

>>9968969
>If bitcoin cash doesnt scale successfully and stay decentralised then the experiment is over and blockchains have failed to make a viable currency.

>>9968985

Satoshi never said any of that stuff you nigger.

>>9968948
>BitcoinCash is BTC as it was intended to be
fixed that for you

>>9968985
this satoshi strawman is particularly impressive

you gotta be suspicious of anti bch shills like >>9968985

a shill needs to be paid, but it would be more profitable to buy bch and encourage adoption than it would to be paid to prevent adoption.
maybe they're been incentivised with something other than money?

>>9969086
Roger Ver is such a fag.

But it has... "electrolytes": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3boy_tLWeqA

>>9968985
>BTC is for global settlement by large entities
You mean like... a bank?

>>9968948

Disregard this moron. BCH is the upgraded fork of BTC, as with all previous forks, they died, so will BTC eventually.

>>9968908
Ffs, use neutrino, no it's not ready yet, yes some things are only enabled on testnet, no you don't need to run a full LN node for anything, stop this BS.

>>9968908
I love how you use 0 confirmation transaction as if it's a good thing.
Let me guess, you thing a big blocksize is the proof of a decentralised coins, too ?

>>9969455

0conf is a very good thing you stupid lying nigger

>>9969411
>as with all previous forks, they died
could you remind me of some of these previous forks?

>>9969460
Where am i lying ?
You literally said restated what i said, that you think 0 confirmation trnasations is a good thing.

And please, do not use racism to win any point, we are all genocidal fascists here.

>>9969473

0-conf is fine for small payment. Ironically, the only time I can think of someone be frauded by a double spend was on bitcoin

BCH gave up on life when it moved to a one-block difficulty adjustment. It's an expression of fear, not strength. It's two weeks for a reason.

>>9969235
Yes, the point of BTC is to strip central banks from their ability to inflate currencies, print money, push others around by cutting them off from banking and other things. If banks are using bitcoin to do large international transfers and settlements it means BTC has won. BCH foolishly targets small transactions at the expense of security and increased risk of censorship, by focusing on small inane transactions it will end up just being a proxy for peoples fiat holdings. Cashlets don't understand how the worlds monetary systems work.

>>9968969
I agree that adding another layer complexity will be the death of BTC. Most people can't even understand simple wallets, they won't start making LN links.

Btc is for bag holder. They are for it. With such in investment, I understand. We must move forward. Bcash must make it, if not we must success. Satoshi may have had come back and fix Btc. Since he might not, I'll have to put Roger ver up for task.

>>9969549

Roger ver doesn't develop bitcoin cash.

>>9969485
Double spend Btc? When? You have proof?

>>9968985

Roger is the new Satoshi

>>9968965
^These are the people /biz/ takes financial advice from. I did my bch at $2,500 as soon as I got it and none of you plebs will ever see that price again. Nobody is using bitcoin or it's literally who forks for transactions. Go use Phore or something else that is super easy, fast, optionally private, and inexpensive if you need to make actual transactions. Bitcoin exists solely as a store of meme value.

>>9969557
https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/686365181241212928

>>9969621
You hno proof

>>9969551
Btc bag holder >>9969557

>>9969548
Only if Btc have a visa copycat

>>9968969
hey brain damaged dumb fuck - bitcoin and bcash are both shit with no future AND that says nothing about the inevitable future success of blockchain or rypto. much better cryptos (plural) already exist.
>you are stupid as fuck

>>9969551
That stream team is not the developer

If Satoshi comeback and integrate Btc into bch, he will

>>9969692
No future? All Btc have to be is in faster transfer. Problems solved

>>9969464
The first one I can think of dates back to 2010 when a simple bug allowed a block to contain 92,000,000,000 BTC.
We hard forked to fix the bug and get rid of the hacker the same way we hard forked in 2017 to get rid of the banker's puppets and morons that occupied core.
There have been plenty more of these throughout the years.

>>9969595
No. Btc is supposed to be used as a visa card, anonymous. >>9969768
>morons that occupied core
Still exist today, the streamteam

Bcash wouldn't be so bad if they just focused on making a blockchain for small payments. The problem is they attack all other blockchains and crypto, CSW and nchain are filing masses of software patents in the hope of patent trolling other projects out of existence, Rogers shilling about how BTC is so terrible is crushing crypto prices in general while Jihan is working to gain a total monopoly on mining.

The idea of the bcash fork in itself isn't a bad idea, the real problem is the people backing it are hostile actors that threaten all crypto in general, they will try to seize complete control of the market but will happily burn it to the ground if it doesn't go their way.

Cashless society will come in the future. We must fix this or live like monks

>>9969784
>small payments? What I've you have to pay for a lambo?

>>9969464

What do you mean? I just reminded you.

>>9969784
It's hard to give up all your Btc. It's easy to just talk

>>9969473

Listen nigger, no one cares if you get offended here, take you faggoty black worthless arse back to plebbit

>>9969784

The fact that your entire post is a bunch of fearful bullshit means that you are in fact a deluded fucking corecuck. The fucking fact you can't even call Bitcoin Cash Bitcoin Cash means you're fucking terrified of it.

Lucky you got your 'free money' back in August 2017 amirite? Stupid fucking nigger.

>>9969810
A fork is still from the same tree. The branch with the most fundamental fruit wins

>>9969473
Are you calling Btc bag holder facist?

>>9969837
You can't even refute anything I said, no doubt you have been credited 0.5 RMB for this shill post.

>>9968948
fpbp

>>9969823
Racist

>>9968948
How it is worst? Roger good on the bitcoin.com with faster transfer and lower fee

>>9968969
>LN
No good? You have proof? None will use it, but you don't need to be mean about it. Cause she is a woman. You sexist.

>>9969864

>world ending argument

Nigger kike shitskin gook chink currymuncher sandnigger

>>9969881
There's better and faster crypto that existed before bcash, if roger was interested about crypto adoption he would have just backed any of those. Bcash was just an easy way for him to increase his wealth at everyone elses expense.

>>9969893
One day, we will have a woman to run the show. Not hillary. Someone like man, Elizabeth Warren.

>>9969902

There is no crypto called Bcash you fucking retard

I do believe there is a Bitcoin Cash implementation called Bcash that is run by purse.io however. If that's what you're talking about.

>>9969837
Bcash is simply an abbreviation. Cut down syllables used by 1/3rd, cut down on characters typed by over 50%.
Keep screaming corecuck and using profanities though.. You totally dont look like an underage memer faggot.

>>9969768
citation needed

>>9969902
He want to be a cheerleader. Let him. Unless you want to take his place. So need someone like him in crypto for the pump. Are you up for it?

>>9969913
Bcash would actually be a better official name, bitcoin cash is far too long and hard to market. Rogers autistic screeching prevents them from using a marketable name.

>>9969920
Post links faggot

>>9968908
>Can not shut down your node
Retarded normie boomer spotted. Don't try something that you know nothing about. Ok, listen you faggot, LN is not normie friendly as for now. Only nerds can operate on LN nodes using CLI. Go back when LN is already normie friendly. As for now stay away from it.

>>9969810
>>9969938
are you retarded or do you just act like it for (You)s

>>9969929
He's not a cheerleader anymore, virtually every time he speaks its to attack BTC or some other crypto, hes dragging down the entire market with his stupidity, even people who hold BCH would be better off if roger just shut up.

>>9968908
I was actually looking into bitcoin cash ... since you hard core cash freaks got me thinking that I should hedge my position a little. Do you have any tips for a person like me who is super paranoid especially whaen it comes to crypto and I don't trust third party or lite weight spv wallets and I want to run my own bitcoin cash node. yeah, I know tennis muh but seriously even if I'm just watching the game I feel safer with my position on my trusted node then in the cloud or on an exchange. I've researched the options listed at bitcoincash dot org and I'm on the fence. which one do you use? or, would recommend?

>>9969940
Someone with down syndrome call others retarded, lol

>>9969961
official bcash wallet can be found at bitcoin.com

>>9969953
He is trying to burn down Btc and start somehow better. What is your point?

>>9969969
bitcoin.com for the win. I don't hold Btc or bcash. Any more. But just saying.

>>9969969
Yes, I am aware of their "wallet". however, I would like to run a full implementation of the software. please understand, I am an extremely paranoid individual.

>>9969961
Both are good. Btc if you don't mind the slowness or fees. Buy some ada. Or litecoin, it same coding as Btc and bcash. Just less roi

>>9969978
>He is trying to burn down Btc and start somehow better. What is your point?
There's no need for him to burn it down if bcash is as technically superior as he claims, the market would simply adopt it. Obviously he has little confidence in the merits of bcash and attacks other crypto in the hope of pumping bcash so he can profit from his bags. So far every flippening attempt has crashed the BTC price and price of all alts while Bcash pumped for a few days at most, the last one with the coinbase listing was the start of the current bear market, he has destroyed billions in wealth for people holding crypto. He's too stupid and arrogant to stop even though it's now crushing bcash prices as well as everything else.

>>9969953
He is annoying and childish. But he is good at sticking to the point. Only if he is a girl, he be perfect

>>9969995
You don't belong in crypto, unless you want to sleep good

>>9970016
thanks anon. right now I hold mostly btc. however, all of the bch information every day has gotten me interested in the tech.

>>9970031
He's a liability, I doubt him not being around would have slowed BTC down at all, much of the success he likes to claim responsibility for was caused by silk road and other things that caused rapid adoption. A felon conman that keeps lying isn't a valuable spokesperson.

>>9970065
>You don't belong in crypto
w t f are you on? I run a full bitcoin node right next to a full monero node right. I was running full litecoin and rippled and stellar but, I don't keep those running 24/7 like the btc and xmr. Now I am seriously looking into bch and I would like some advice on which full node implement ion I should run. If you don't know stfu

>>9970023
A couple of millions and what does a few more billion. Who care. It's not Monday matters to him. He wants crypto to go mainstream and be adopted. The bigger picture is of importance.

>>9970068
Diversify is a good thing

>>9970079
Btc bag holder

>>9970023
Roger Ver is a bitch, he loves so much drama.

>>9968908
I'm actually super lazy right now to get into specifics. I understand you're just looking for the best incentives and I would ask you to keep broadening your scope and not decide to marry things that don't need to be married.

>>9970085
Wtf, are you new? Mine the top five or course, you horse

>>9970079
Sure how others called him a bitch, Bitcoin Jesus, etc when it's convenient, but he never asked for that

>>9970065
Ripple, he is not going to make it

>>9969920
>>9969938 I literally gave you an exact number and you sub 80 iq brainlets still can't google it. The absolute state of corecucks. Here's another tip - Jeff Garzik...
>>9969961
>Advice for someone who can't trust an SPV wallet
Ye, go see a shrink you paranoid wacko

>>9969961
I find it hilarious that the loudest bcash proponent has 0 clue how to answer my question. Stay deluded you low IQ cash fucks

>>9970226
yeah, go run a lightweight spv wallet you illiterate brainlet.

>>9970105
>A couple of millions and what does a few more billion. Who care. It's not Monday matters to him. He wants crypto to go mainstream and be adopted. The bigger picture is of importance.
He's lying, his actions aren't that of someone aiming to spread crypto use. He's a fake libertarian that uses it as a vehicle to get what he wants, I believe he is mainly motivated by a desire to gain influence and power over others.

>>9970121
>Btc bag holder
I'm short BTC, bcash goons destroying the crypto markets has been quite profitable for me.

>>9970233
you can run a bitcoin cash non mining node if you want to
what are you paranoid about?

>>9968969
Cashless. Is crypto consider as cash? A method of trade? An exchange of goods? It's cash,yes. Never mind, the experiment is a failure. From the Egyptian pyramid and cosmos, materials is not of importance but only knowledge. Once it's lost, it's hopeless. Civilization must be rebuilt from the ground up again. Wisdom is always free to trade with. Nor crypto or cash is the answer. It's all just greed. You are all acting like a jew. May you all perish in materialistic wealth but lacking in spirit.

>>9970373
currency debasement is the cause of consumerism you pajeet

>>9969894
Satoshi t nakamoto is Japanese. Fact is, no white boy will give himself a chink name for a call sign

>>9969526
Your post is the first Corean post here which is better than "BCASH BCASH BCASH BCASH BCASH" but it's still a miserable attempt at defending Blockstream's BTC (BankTransferCoin), since it'll be a hubs and spokes coin with centralized nodes while the whole fucking point of Bitcoin in the first place was to get rid of.
You're likely a paid shill and here I am replying to you.

>>9969784
It's impossible to enforce patents on a blockchain you nigger.

>>9970085
Just run any of the popular full node clients. What's the problem? The blocks are so small it'll take you very short time to sync, just start with the blocks you copy over from BTC just before the fork to save time.

>>9970233
What's the source for that? BCOreans have been changing the wiki and censoring the white paper like crazy to fit their new Segwit+LN altcoin.
You could run as many full nodes as you want, will they stop a double spend from happening? They never have, unless you're accepting 0 confirmation, which you proabably wouldn't anyway.

>>9968908

Youre missing the part where bitcoin isnt a product to be hocked by incels posting on /biz/, but an emancipatory technology to take control of the money supply away fro the feds who have shown theyre not to be trusted with it. I will let you work out which of these descriptions fits btc and which fits bch.

I suspect you knew all this already, anyway.

>>9970544
>since it'll be a hubs and spokes coin with centralized nodes while the whole fucking point of Bitcoin in the first place was to get rid of.
No one would use lightning network for large bank to bank transfers or settlements.

>>9970564
>It's impossible to enforce patents on a blockchain you nigger.
They plan to sue exchanges that offer anything other than bcash, as long as they can cripple fiat to crypto trading for anything besides bcash their plan works, they don't care about replacing central banks or things like BIS, (((miners))) want to take over the consumer market so they can collect fees on as many transactions as possible like paypal or visa. If they succeed I expect they will remove the 21m cap, Roger will claim deflation was hurting adoption because no one wants to spend it and the poor poor (((miners))) need infinite block rewards to pay power bills.

bitcoin and all bitcoin copies will be gone by 2020. noone would use anything with bitcoin in its name after it goes to shit

>>9968908
Don't forget the best part, with Lightning Network other people can spend your channel so that you randomly need to open a new one with an on-chain payment.

Imagine going to the pub and wanting to pay for your beer over the Lightning Network. Denied! Looks like it's empty since some random person went there the night before and paid through your channel.

>>9968908
>0-conf transaction work mostly everywhere

They "work" but they're insecure, as in any other coin. That's why we have blockchains, brainlet.

>You can open just for sending, can receive offline no problem
>Can have cold storage

Yes the bitcoin copy can do everything bitcoin already does, we know. But it can't do LN. Also it can't do blocks bigger than 300KB because know gives a shit about it.

>>9970736
https://youtu.be/kC2MjT_yreg
Only absolute madmen wish to kill usage of on-chain and economic freedom for all.

>>9970965
>with Lightning Network other people can spend your channel so that you randomly need to open a new one with an on-chain payment

Lmao these shills are getting more terribad by the day, they don't bother to even slightly understand what they use in their little speeches now.

>>9969937
>>9969913

Bcash is simply a node implementation, if you're too stupid to understand that, you shouldn't be posting.

Bitcoin Cash (aka Bitcoin) or Bitcoin (BCH) is much faster to say though and because it's actually the real Bitcoin you should definitely own some instead of spamming about how little you sold yours for, lol.

>>9970233

What is this image meant to imply? Bitcoin (BCH) has always rejected blocks that don't meet the consensus rules.

I think you need to wake the fuck up corecuck, your bcore shitcoin is dying. Soon Blockstream won't even have the funding to keep up their charade.

>>9971037
hope you dont mean me because i have pinpoint knowledge over how bad lightning is. remember that crypto dont "flow" in the lightning network, it is moved from one end of a channel to the other, and then from one end to the other of another channel and so on

>>9970446

Keep dreaming chinko, gooks have never been able to think independently and imagine new ideas. The world is entirely built by Europeans.

>>9970722

Noone even knows what the fuck you're talking about, Bcash is a node implementation. I seriously don't know why the fuck someone would sue for using a node implementation.

Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin.

Another BTC vs BCH thread.

Both are dead. Use 0xBTC

>>9968948
wow, good argument there

Bitcon Cash slightly ahead

>>9971392
>>9971453
Bitcoin cash is bcash!