/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>9868678
i don't need power or fame i just want to be free and money can drastically help with that

>>9868678
You people keep saying that, but has it ever fallen to you that not every single person here is an apathic basement dweller? Some of us actually dream of making up enough money to start our own firms. Not all of us have negroid money fantasies about gold, bling and women.

>>9868725
so you just want to make money to make more money and more money, it's a push push push society in the never ending search for the pot of gold at the end of rainbow

>>9868678
at least he has a gf

jokes on you im already happy with nothing

if crypto goes to 0 idc, usd is just as worthless to me

my treasures are all in heaven

>>9868746
I want a unique business.

OP has never been poor

>>9868678
The fuck even is the moral of this story. Are you Russian by chance?

>>9868746
>You need money to start up things?
My ambition is to start develop in IT infrastructure in my comfy mountain village to bring people back through the prospect of adding more jobs. Everyone's moved to the big cities, myself included because there's not much left there beside construction or tourism related business

>>9868858
Woman complains but no gains.

Or even better, both are faggots that don't need a stone palace to live in

>>9868858
It is the OP's way of coming out of the closet.

>>9868823

No business is unique. All are just machines to make money. There's only 1 business in the world, and that's it. Products, services etc - all just a means to that end. And why? So you can impress some dumbass faggots with your Lambo, except really they just resent you and plot your demise.

Enjoy Planet Jew, where you confuse price for value in an endless loop of dissatisfaction. I'm making enough to go sit on a mountain in the middle of nowhere and laugh at you.

>>9868858
>>9868871
>>9868888
"The Fisherman and his Wife", is arguably a story intended to convey the moral that material goods do not bring contentment: The person who is dissatisfied with little will also be dissatisfied with much. Likewise the person who is happy, or content, with much will also be happy with little or none.

>>9868678
What the hell, this story just kindof ended
>Go home. She is sitting in her filthy shack again.
What was that supposed to mean?
Wasn't she doing that the whole time?
And how did he get back to the flounder?
There was no point to all this

>>9868912
>"What does she want then?" said the flounder.
>"Oh," he said, "my wife wants to live in a stone palace."
>"Go home. She is sitting in her filthy shack again."

>My wife is bitching can you give her what she wants
>No
>Oh
>Moral???????

>>9868678

>money and power won't make you happy
If that statement is true, the total lack of power would have no effect on my happiness, which is blatantly false, since I would be in absolute despair without food, shelter and the means to acquire even the most basic things, like compassion.
All the things that you listed have a great impact in someones well being, what you fail to notice (probably because you are somewhat wealthy) is that there is a point of diminishing returns.

>>9868678
this sounds like those Polish jokes

>>9868725
> Some of us actually dream of making up enough money to start our own firms
You will never make it. Why? Because you still dream about starting your firm. If you really wanted to do it, you'd have done it a long time ago.

>>9868949
The statement is actually true. Money (or power; but it's basically the same) truly doesn't make anyone happy - but it helps to prevent a lot of unhappiness.

>>9869082
Either something can affect your happiness or it cant.
Stop repeating bullshit that you read somewhere else and start trying to think for yourself.

The story actually goes that the wife starts off asking modest things, getting ever greedier and when she eventually asks for a palace the flounder takes everything away. OP kind of skipped right to the end, making the whole thing pointless.

>>9869122
My dear boy, I don't need to repeat bullshit that I read somewhere or think by myself. I know this because I experience it in my life, every day. Call me a LARPer, I don't give a shit.

The bottom line is: Money/Power is like a safe floor, it prevents you to become unhappy because of some anything related to material things (mostly, it prevents you from becoming unhappy due to debt, which is something that causes tons of stress on many people in today's society). It does NOT, however, make you happy in any way. Preventing unhappiness is not the same as making happy.

I’m not a animal
Money will make me happy
Stress free
I can deal with being stupid with it I’m stupid with out it
It just fun

>>9869173
>Preventing unhappiness is not the same as making happy.
Living without unhappiness is exactly what happiness is, your disgusting pleb.

>>9869227

Absence of unhappyness doesn't automatically mean you're happy. It means you're free to find your own place and meaning in the world, but many fail to do so. They end up living pointless lives without any struggles or hardships. Usually such lives end with suicide once people see their lives have no meaning. I wouldn't exactly call that being happy.

>>9869227
You don't understand. >>9869266 got the point exactly. The absence of unhappiness does not mean happiness. It just means the absence of unhappiness. Most people end up in a limbo state without happiness nor unhappiness, a place with no purpose or meaning. But hey, please continue believing that you'll be super happy once you just got enough money / get rid of all the unhappy things in your life. At least, that's what keeps the economy of all the stupid things that are supposed to make people "happy" running.

>>9869227
Must be a sad life when you can't understand that the absence of unhappiness isn't the same as being happy.

>>9869266
>>9869331
>>9869337

You are all very dumb and should read some basic philosophy.
Your assumption is that money and power will only satisfy your most basic needs (food, water, safety, shelter), but you fail to realize that it is more than that.
Money will get your friends and lovers, since you will be free to seek compatible people and even have the resources to manage any mental issues that would prevent you from getting them.
It will also give you the opportunity to try things until you can find something that gives you a sense of accomplishment and fulfillment, which coupled with acceptance from friends and a potential family, covers all the bases needed for a life without unhappiness.

>b-b-bu-but money alone wont do that...
You are not getting any of those things done without some money/power either.

Money is an aspect of power and power is literally the ability to shape the world to your will, and by using it you mold reality into something that is pleasing to your taste, you pathetic deluded fucks.

Bullshit.. the power and fame isn't necessary but to live stress free without ever having to worry about money again... you must really have something missing from your soul or personalty if you can't use that freedom for something...anything.

"Money won't make you happy"
Biggest lie ever

>>9868678

i want emma watson to flounder on my dick as i pump my virgin neet sperm into her fertile womb

>>9869419
> Money will get your friends and lovers
Oh wow. It's truly sad to see someone so obviously reveal that he not only never had money, but also never had friends or lovers. Because you obviously have no idea whatsoever about any of those things.

> It will also give you the opportunity to try things until you can find something that gives you a sense of accomplishment and fulfillment
That's true, money gives you security. By making sure you don't have to live through the unhappiness caused by debt or by being homeless.

> Money is an aspect of power and power is literally the ability to shape the world to your will, and by using it you mold reality into something that is pleasing to your taste
It will surely make you very happy knowing that everything in the world you created is only this way because you paid for it. Is such a world really real, or is it fake, created by money, crumbling away the second you stop paying for it? Sounds just like the world that stops existing when I put my VR headset off or quit my video game. Where's the difference?

Striving for happiness is a good way to stay unhappy

dude fuck off with your emotional bullshit. I'm a fucking marxist and I want easy money so fuck you and fuck the working class

>>9869419 < amerifag
>>9869476 < eurofag

In America, you literally cannot survive without money. Get sick? Enjoy your $5000 trip to the doctor.(https://www.vox.com/2018/5/1/17261488/er-expensive-medical-bill, http://abc7news.com/health/couple-in-car-crash-refuses-medical-help-gets-big-bill-anyway/2936534/).). Want to not a work a blue collar job? Dope! Just fork over $100k for a college education. Find yourself homeless due to unfortunate circumstance? Just kys and try again.

I'm not saying Europe is perfect, but it does allow anyone to cover the basic needs for happiness and fulfillment without money.

>>9869476
You'd be surprised how many people actually look at their soul/personality once they get rich and realize that there's absolutely nothing left to be found, either because there was nothing to begin with or because they lost it in their pursuit of money.

>>9868678
The full story here
https://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm019.html

>>9868678
>Once upon a time there were a fisherman and his wife

Story ended right there; the rest of the "story" is gibberish. He fell for the gf/wife/roastie meme and therefore was never ever gonna make it.

>>9869523
>Because you obviously have no idea whatsoever about any of those things.
It must be sad to be born with sub-human IQ. Again, you can not get friends/lovers with no money and no power, your very basic development is tied to those things.
Just to get a basic 4/10 black landwhale you need to consume a shit ton of resources, the same way, to interact with truly outstanding people you will have to burn even more fuel in order to become outstanding yourself. You probably can not understand that because other people have been providing those resources through your entire life.

>making sure you don't have to live through the unhappiness
Unhappiness is just a low value of happiness, they are not different things. When the value gets high enough, you are happy.

>is only this way because you paid for it
You are a disgusting socialist, are you not? Paying for something with money that you made is the same than building something, the only difference are a few extra steps (trading one thing that you made for money and then trading money for something else).

>>9869550
You cannot survive without money in Europe either, it is just that there are more cucks there paying your fucking bills.

>>9869554
Proof that you never have been around people that built their wealth.
The majority of them are fucking happy and interesting, being a loser unable to create anything valued by others wont make your personality better or give you enlightenment.

>>9869761

>Again, you can not get friends/lovers with no money and no power

It's sad that there are people who have such materialistic worldviews. If you invest in yourself and build up your character, then you won't need millions of dollars or shiny gadgets to make friends or meet lovers. People will just naturally like you for who you are, not what you have. Inversely, if you're a bag of shit, then all the money in the world won't make people genuinely like you. The best you can do is have some asskissers worship you for your money.

>>9869848
>If you invest in yourself and build up your character,
You might be missing the point, that takes resources.

>>9869906

It takes literally less than minimum wage to invest in yourself. A gym membership is pretty cheap, if you're totally broke, you can just do calisthenics. Libraries are free, you can expand your understanding of the world vastly for no cost at all. You can cook your own food for a relatively inexpensive method to shape your body. Investing in yourself definitely takes resources, but those resources are mostly of the mental, not physical kind.

>>9868678
her shoes are too big, not her size hmmmmmmmm would suck them anyways/10

>>9869906
We're not talking about the basic concept of resources here, but about the necessity of obscene amounts of money to do XYZ. And building character doesn't require a lot of money at all, nor does finding friends or lovers. Except for you maybe.

Kinda lame. Where do I find this fish!?

>>9869953
Even if you spend $50 on a door bar for calisthenics and pirate your books, you still have to pay for food (and probably a lot, if you are going to meet your micros/macros), rent, utilities, save for retirement, etc...
And you will be stuck with people really close to you when looking for friends/lovers, leaving shit to chance.

>>9869985
>the necessity of obscene amounts of money to do XYZ
Even if you have no ambition, you need a million dollars just to get your bases covered and live a modest lifestyle where you will spend $20K/y indefinitely (safe investments, money leftover for emergencies ).
The average US salary today, post taxes, is around $27K, so the money that you need is a little less than what the average person in a rich country would make through an entire working life (40 years) - an obscene amount of money.
So yes, you are wrong and should feel bad.

>>9868944
I thought the flounder had already given her a palace after she said she wanted one and he was on the way to the flounder. But when he caught the flounder again it got pissed and put the cunt back into the shack.

>>9870195
Alright, let's settle on the fact that making a million dollars is what's required for life and most people have some kind of job & salary in order to achieve that million in their lifetime. What do you do now, realizing that truth?

>>9869953
How about I go to a 500$/day resort, get a personal trainer, work out every day and read books. Full time self development.

Who will develop more in 3 months? Me or the poorfag who also has to wagecuck 8 hours/day. fucking LMAO

>>9870308
That's an easy bet, the poorfag who is wagecucking will be far above you. Hanging out in resorts with personal trainers turns you into a giant faggot in absolutely no time.

>>9870308
A person develops best when he is put through natural hardships. This plastic personal trainer wishy-washy bullshit will not turn you into an actual man.

>>9870268
Now you realize that you must secure four millions if you want a wife and two kids that will have their most basic needs met.
Then you realize that you want even more money to create your vision of a better world for them, and it goes on.
I did say that you got diminishing returns, but the fact that you need obscene amounts of money just to meet your basic needs without worries is enough to laugh at people like OP.

>>9870308
You dream small.
You should try hiring an army of doctors ($3 mil/year) just to make sure that your body is always at its best, a team of PTs ($500k/y) to discuss shit, not only one, and a department worth of professors ($4mil/y) to educate you while you fly around the whole fucking world ($3 mil/year) always participating in the most interesting events of the day.
In a couple of years, you will also demand a workshop and laboratories, and that is when shit will get really expensive.

>>9870343
>>9870407
>being this delusional
>coping this hard
The wagecuck will use his most precious waking hours on menial labor while I can work on what I care about all day.

>>9868704
this

>>9870417
But except from laughing at OP, what do you do realizing that you don't only need 1 million, but 4 (and probably more, reading about your army of doctors and so on)?

Since your enormous wisdom, certainly acquired through hours and hours of self-improvement lessons in a resort, has brought you to realize that life is expensive, what is your answer to that?

>>9870470
>they don't agree with me, so they must be wagies
I'm not even a wagecuck, but it's pretty obvious that a person needs to struggle in order to develop. Steel is forged in fire, diamonds are made under pressure.

>>9870407

being a real man is over-rated. no matter how much hardship you go through, the world still doesn't give a fuck about you and will move on with or without you. hedonism is most important in life - the satisfying of each and every of your desires. live your life to its fullest, however brief it may be. and after that, it will be time to leave this world behind for the nothingness that follows.

>>9870470
>I can work on what I care about all day.
Here's the reason why all the resorts and personal trainers in the world won't improve you the slightest bit, but make everything worse. "I do what I want" is a child's mentality and you won't improve in any way (aka become an adult) this way. But hey, go ahead and try, there's a whole industry making wealthy profits of your mentality.

>>9870531

steel and diamonds are merely tools and ornaments of the rich and powerful. hardwork is a meme. biz understands this, hence the term wagecuck.

>>9870515
Why are you so salty? Maximum happiness requires wealth.
You know this, otherwise you wouldn't be so salty my dear poorfag.

The best part about you plebs is that you don't understand many of the richest are the most hardworking people. The idea rich people are these lazy bastards taking other peoples money is the pinnacle of covert socialism-low-IQ-pleb-cope.

>>9870536
I'd advise you to get out and find some heroin, since it's pretty much what you described in liquid form.

>>9870531
In the example I provided, the premise was that I would be spending money on 24/7 self-development (which is hard work) while the wagecuck would have to cram his work into evenings after exerting himself at work.
Given both are equally motivated/work hard, there is no way the wealthy anon wouldn't come out of top in terms of progress and happiness.

deal with it

>>9870579
disagree. i've done hard drugs and the misery and recovery afterwards was not worth the few moments of happiness. im talking about life-long sustainable pleasures.

>>9870558
>he is rich, so there is no way he would actually work hard on something!
In the example I provided, the premise was that I would be spending money on 24/7 self-development (which is hard work) while the wagecuck would have to cram his work into evenings after exerting himself at work.
Given both are equally motivated/work hard, there is no way the wealthy anon wouldn't come out of top in terms of progress and happiness.

>>9870531
You start giving wealth the respect that it deserves a prioritize it accordingly in your life.

>>9870567
>hardwork is a meme
No, most humans tend to not cherish what they did not earn.
Also a great reason to never let your children know how much money you got and get them working early.

>>9870611
As shown among professional athletes.

>>9870569
Alright I gotta go back to work, so that's my final post. It's been interesting to discuss anyways.

>Maximum happiness requires wealth.
No, it does not. It's ok if you don't believe me. Please go ahead and acquire that wealth, you will see that I'm right. Wealth keeps unhappiness away but doesn't attract happiness, but I've written about that before.

>Why are you so salty?
I like to discuss, and to be honest I mistook you for the resort guy >>9870308
because you have the same ID color.

>you plebs is that you don't understand many of the richest are the most hardworking people
The projection is real. I never said that. Of course they are, because 90% of people get rich by being entrepreneurs (excl. inheritance), and entrepreneurship involves hard work.

>pinnacle of covert socialism-low-IQ-pleb-cope.
The projection is real, part 2. Rich people don't steal from anybody, that is socialist bullshit and everyone who buys it is just jealous. But we weren't discussing about that topic at all, but rather about if money makes you happy or not. It doesn't.

>>9868704
What are you going to do with the money but buy time of another.

You want free slaves.

>>9870536
You are probably very young to still have such a mindset. I don't even mean that in a bad way, it's just that people usually learn to appreciate the value of other people in their lives throughout the years, so you probably haven't gotten to that point yet. Hedonism will only take you so far, you will realize it's a dead-end pretty quick once you're on that path. We are programmed to seek pleasure as a reward for effort, if you get pleasure without effort, it will wreck your psyche sooner rather than later. It's the reason for most of the celebrity suicides, they realize they are living vain lives.

>>9870567
And the rich and powerful must steel themselves as well in order to maintain their positions. You have a massive target on your back if you're a part of the elite, especially if you're in a position of power. There are hundreds of people who would like to be there in your stead, and if you're made out of clay, you won't manage to sit on that throne for too long.

>>9870687
you spat truth ITT

>>9871088
Thanks, that's nice to hear, and it was nice to have this discussion. If at least a few lurkers take some bits of wisdom with them from it, then it has more than served its purpose.

>>9870687
This

>>9868678
What a weak fucking story.

Look at fucking reddit Aesop over here.

-2/800 would not recommend to read.

Please learn how to tell a story and KYS IRL

>>9870417
>Most basic needs
Nice try.