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>>9805159

The only drugs I need are love and sport.

X is the best. Only use once a month tho

>>9805180
/thread

>>9805159
Those look dank

>>9805159
The trick of it is to stay in moderation. I use adderall 3-4 times a month at only 30 mg a use. I like to go fast.

I use marijuana daily, but take breaks for months at a time to lower tolerance, and clean out my body.

I’ve used LSD and a couple of it’s cousins about 10 times. Wonderful mind expanding experience. Mushrooms also very good.

I drink but almost never get wasted (and never get wasted socially) You do not have control of yourself when very drunk, and make terrible decisions. I hate being that vulnerable.

>tldr: if you go into it with discipline and don’t use physically addictive drugs often, drugs are a fine time, you might even learn something Johnny!

>>9805159
I drink tea EVERY DAY (which contains caffeine), so I am a daily drug user. I also drink alcohol occasionally in moderation.

u should only do E once MAYBE twice a year

>>9805159
The only people that get addicted to drugs are poor retards, just look at all those americans addicted to meth, crack and benzo's

Literally nothing wrong with using every now and then, you hypocritical fucks like to drink anyways.

Probation

>>9805237
Nice. I agree with this anon.

>>9805159
I'm over 22 years of age

>>9805301
its more damaging to use drugs when youre younger retard

>>9805237
> Moderation
> Smokes weed almost every day

>>9805301
I bet you are grampa, 4:00 pm, is it almost time for dinner?

Try LSD it's amazing.
Also it is the only drugs I know of that literally has zero negative effect on your body.

>>9805237
This is tough for me because once I get more than 3 or so drinks in system it's not easy to turn down more drinks and even a line of coke.

>>9805333
Checked.

I said I used marijuana. 1990 called, it wants it’s attitudes about pot back.

>>9805347
Not so, even though I do enjoy acid.

DYOR, but it has a really long half life, and overuse can lead to flashbacks. Those are facts. Go into it with clear eyes for best trips.

they cost money and I don't need them

>>9805350
No judges m8, we all have our days/nights, but I set those boundaries because they work for me, and am mildly old so have bad experiences to learn from.

>>9805347
Not a knock against LSD, but zero negative effect on your body? Heavy and long-term use says otherwise. LSD should be used sparingly anyway IMO. As far as little to none negative effects, you can't beat boomers.

>>9805370
how often to do?

>>9805370
You are right. I did not know that

>>9805397
I say that’s up to you, but you won’t want to trip again for a while after you do usually. It’s not really a cravable drug. I’d say 2 of the best 100 nights of my life were spent tripping.

Altering your reality to that degree is a lot for your mind to handle.

>>9805358
Ty for checking, Anon. You do you do. Just found it a bit funny. One of my best friends smokes a lot of weed too.

I do agree that it's worth it to try some drugs a couple of times just for the experience.

>>9805159
X: okay once in a while
weed: degenerate cuck drug. do you enjoy your mind being slow and loling at stupid shit? you deserve to be retarded
alcohol: okay in moderation

everything else is cancer and avoid at all costs

ketamine once a week keeps me from killing myself

>>9805270
ya, all those celebs on cocaine and other shit arent druggies

>>9805524
>weed: degenerate cuck drug. do you enjoy your mind being slow and loling at stupid shit? you deserve to be retarded
>alcohol: okay in moderation

>>9805502
I quit smoking a while back because of the health implications. We are in the golden age of cannabis now, many different and unique uses. (On a biz related note, not bad stocks to own, and I’ll even invest in local pot shops when they open here)

>>9805524
Thanks officer! I was almost in danger of thinking and deciding for myself!

>>9805547
dumb stoner droput neet failure in life commie scum detected

>>9805159
drugs borrow happiness from the future
i prefer to be happy constantly
ive had my day, experimented quite a bit when I was younger and concluded that recreational use leaves you burnt out or insane if psychs are your thing
still take low dose amph when I need to grind

>>9805890
Another great illustration of it being a completely individual experience.

Beware purveyors of sweeping blanket statements.

>>9805350
used to be like you. Whenever you drink just remember how embarrassed you felt the next morning after a huge hangover and are hoping nobody will be judging you for what you did or said

>>9805719
you seem quite mad

>>9805159
Unhealthy for your body; impairs judgement.

>>9806240
Weed is for faggots dude fuck off

>>9806265
*takes bong hit and blows in your face*

haha just kidding ya old boomer. I still smoke when someone hands me a joint tho

>>9805159
I like to occasionally use heroin. The level of comfy is unparalleled.

xtc/mdma twice a year. Not at a festival, but at home with my girlfriend. the goat experience.

>>9805159
Is that a trip advisor e bomb

>>9806364
this guy gets it.

i used to do this with an ex. unironically some of the most magical and best moments of my life.

>>9806391
Shrioms with a lady is nice too if you guys are romantic. Sex? probably not. Too weird feeling and you’ll never climax.

However if she is fun to hang out with, and good for a laugh, tripoingvwuth her naked in a comfy bed is top tier.

>>9806517
Shrooms*

>>9805159
>So what is your excuse to not use drugs
i'm not a beta male

>>9806364

I think you can do every 2 or 3 months safely if you are not fucking smashing it

>>9806593
meanwhile Chad takes a line of coke off your gfs ass

>>9805159
The main argument is some people can't control themselves. Some people take it to excess even if they didn't plan on it.

For a strong willed person it's fine. For the average person it is not.

Incidentally I'm not strong willed. I always do too much. Same with drinking, coffee, games, fuck even crypto. When I get into something I'm going balls deep.

>>9806593

>>9805370
I've done acid over 100 times and never had a flashback, nor do I know anyone who has

MDMA crystals (not some random pills or powders) that are tested and measured with appropriate dose for body weight in mind, are incredible for going out once every 3 months maximum.
They will have very little adverse long term effects when done this way and provide incredible experience with friends/gf/bf/whatever.
Psychedelics can be great for some people, but there is the chance of them triggering some mental issues with someone who can be predisposed so i don't fuck with that.
Stimulants (apart from ritallin or adderall occasionally) are bs and not worth it just because of the crash.

Because I'm not a fucking degenerate

>>9806391
the best thing is; i live in the Netherlands so i can buy a stack of pills/powder and bulk up for years and get it legally tested it in a professional lab.

>>9806864
Fair enough but I know old hippies that claim to have had them and I find them credible. I’ve never had them either, but I mean, would you know 100% if you did? Could it still affect your unconscious mind.

No data, but that doesn’t mean your experience is invalid.

The main problem with drugs is that a lot of the times they're not what you think it is.

Pretty sure i fucked myself up doing fake molly and doing it too often. This was about 2 years ago but its hard to tell the lasting damage because im fucking depressed by default.

Research chemicals are sketchy too, and "acid" is usually not real lsd.

Mushrooms are the god tier psychedelic and doing them like 1 every year or two can be extremely therapeutic.

Alcohol is fine in moderation. I stick to beer mostly because its hard to get really fucked up on it.

Weed is fine in moderation too but theres too many retard stoners who think theres absolutely nothing with smoking a fuckton of weed. A few times a week is prob fine but all day every day is retarded unless you're actually sick and it helps you

>>9806899
how does one get such crystals? maple leaf here

>>9805159
Only drugs that is ok is unironically mdma, 3 times/year

I think a good dose of mushrooms might benefit a lot of people. I don't mean to get all hippy bullshit here but eating mushrooms has given me some of the most profound experiences of my life. it's basically an amazingly life affirming experience in a can.

don't mind answering questions or responding to doubters ITT either.

there's a part of the mind that's tuned for experiences such as these that have been the domain of religious/"spiritual" people for a while, and to shortcut all of the mental priming and work these people go through to get these experiences is great. I think it'll appeal to many bizraelis since this is essentially the board of the low effort quick buck, and you can now get that in profound/life changing form in a quick and easy can by just chewing up a few psychedelic shrooms.

>>9807063
onion my friend. Plenty of dealers also got them. Make sure to order testing kit online.

>>9806379
Ahaha yeah / illuminati owl

>>9807097
Nice take anon.

>>9806524
Shreeums*

>>9806949
nice, my shit always comes from your country

>>9806773
Not unless you have a strong alkaline diet. I wouldnt do molly more than 4 times a year for best effects

>>9806379
I wanna go to the ER on the trip advisors.
>>9805159
There is none especially ESPECIALLY not by people who have not done them. I never did h for example but other opiods. I couldn't care less of what normies and anon who never did h think about it. It's literally mass brainwash tier knowledge.

>>9807063
come to the Netherlands

>>9806524
original plz

>>9807127
Chrooooomz

>>9807097
I have a theory that I'm almost certain is true, that most religions are derived from shamanic experiences with psychedelic mushrooms and/or DMT

if you take a look at all the major prophets and the stories behind them, when looked at through the context of psyechedelic drugs- it makes a lot more sense.

Early primitive religions were shaman/witch doctor based. When done in a communal setting with proper guidance, these drugs provided insight to the tribes. This would continue through the centuries with jesus, mohammad, buddha, etc. look at moses and the dmt tree, buddha likely consumed mushrooms, mohammad likely had DMT, Jesus was most likely a mushroom, as is described in the bible multiple times.

basically, human evolution and civilization is due in part to psychedelic drugs

>>9805358
wait 15 years or so. everyday even with tolerance breaks is way too much.

>>9807184
are you terrence mckenna? if not he wants his theory back.

>>9807199
Well since I’m 20 years in your theory fails.
>sweeping statements on topics you don’t know about

>>9807215
no he's just another god damn hippy

>>9807097
>you can now get that in profound/life changing form in a quick and easy can by just chewing up a few psychedelic shrooms.
One thing i'll say about this is that you have to be already making changes and trying to change if you want to use it to improve your mental health.

I also get the feeling the less you do it, the more the insight or change.
Theres people that smoke dmt and trip a few times a month and it doesnt give you super powers; it wont bring changes to your life unless you're working at it.

I've had really deep trips that were extremely awakening but then i have trouble implementing the lesson in my life and go back to being depressed.

>>9807184
agree completely. the state of mind shrooms put you in makes stupid emotionless platitudes like "love and family is all that counts" back into their correct emotional context.

we've heard these empty greeting card platitudes so many times they lose all meaning. shrooms bypass this completely and you discover the emotional component to these ideas all over again, as if you've never heard them before.

they become profound once again, and there's basically nothing on this earth aside from the long effort of self delusion and religious meditation that can help you see them in this way. for me that was the best part of the experience.

I can't think of a human on earth that shouldn't have the privilege of experiencing this.

psychedelics are waste of time i can stimulate my mind learning something
depressants are for cucks
stimulants are good in moderation can make you tired though

>>9807286
-t. burnt out boomer addicted to stims

>>9807215
Hes right tho

>>9807247
have you tried to quit for atleast a year? good luck with the crippling boredom or chronic cough.

>>9807154
Why is it so prominent there? Yall just have a knack for producing it? Little drug laws?

>>9807294
he is right. his name was terrence

>>9805159
Drugs are fun, I have 4 cones from the dispensary in my car. Gonna smoke on my lunch and then shitpost for the rest of my shift

>>9807306
Don't know why, but it's everywhere here, and cheap as fuck. 1 xtc tablet is 2€

>>9807306
dutch people are obsessed with EDM which goes hand in hand with E

>>9807296
>Reading comprehension
Hi Gil I pulled something in my back, no way I can work tomorrow can barely even stand up, can’t even sit to drive. I will let Kathy know too. I tried to see if it would get better but it’s gotten worse.
I don’t smoke. You show your outdated attitude when you assume such things. And yes my longest break was about 18 months since you asked.

>>9807276
that's unfortunate. everyone experiences these things slightly differently but I think if you're aiming for panacea for mental health issues mushrooms are not the place to be.

I'd say it was more for expanding horizons. mental health issues are a health issue that needs to be addressed accordingly since that's more of a medical issue. shrooms may even exacerbate your problems. there's a well documented and tested body of research and various fields dedicated to this very thing. Search there for your solutions.

>>9807296
Also I’m literally never bored. Cannabis is sometimes a reason for that, when I am not using it, I still find plenty of joy in life. I actually forget to use my high quality cannabis some days, other’s I just don’t feel like it.

Whatever your experiences are are certainly valid, friendo, but they are yours, solely.

>>9807296
I don’t smoke. You show your outdated attitude when you assume such things. And yes my longest break was about 18 months since you asked.

>>9807382
i quit after 10 years and i'm bored as fuck, just staring to a wall etc

>>9807429
Yikes man, have you considered other outlets? If you’re not pulling my leg, what DO you enjoy doing? How old are ya?

>>9807474
Yeah, sport helps, but doesn't take so long, am 30, but my work stopped for the first time in 12 years too, and stopped smoking, so it's a combination of things

>>9807050
How often you were doing molly? Permanent depression is a known side effect of molly, why you think it was fake?

>>9807306
I think it has something to do with our house/party scene. It's been very dominant since the early 90's. The Netherlands have always been very open minded about weed, so xtc isn't a bridge too far and people became interested in another relative safe drug perhaps?
It's legal to possess a user dosage of drugs in the Netherlands, it's illegal to produce/distribute though.

Psychedelics (5HT2a agonists) should be the only psychoactive you consume

>>9806864
flashbacks are a meme
i got some serious visuals now cause i did a lot of 2cb few yeaers back, when it's dark and when i go to sleep or wake up i see a bit of noise colors, sometime even fractas, especially when i go to sleep and cant get asleep or wake up midnight

>>9805358
>using drugs as a substitute for personality
thatsthejoke.bmp

>>9807282
>I can't think of a human on earth that shouldn't have the privilege of experiencing this.

Imagine the state arresting you and then murdering you for eating a mushroom.

This is reality for our oppressed brothers and sisters worldwide under the fascist boot of thugs and religious cult governments.

Behind their smiling faces and outstretched hands is a demonic drive to command and control, never forget

>>9807780
>Projection.wav

>>9807296
I quit smoking 6 years ago, and ever since then I get anxiety and spins whenever I try it again. Fuck that!
Whatever though, I appreciate the clarity now, after living in a fog for a decade.

>>9807912
That is definitely going too far. Psychedelics are our birthright, they may have even contributed to early humans forming the consciousness we have now.
I can understand regulating meth, crack, and heroin though, those are pure addiction with little to no positive effects on the user, leading to major social degradation. The death penalty is too far in any case besides for murderers though, in my opinion.

There is really nothing that compares to DMT. No, not even shrooms or acid, and I love my shrooms and my acid.

DMT is the only drug that has sort of got its hooks in my mind and I think now occupies a space in it that for most people is reserved for their deity of choice. Which is not to say I 'believe in it', but it is so so singularly interesting that it becomes a sort benign obsession. Like the experience is just so utterly beguiling and compelling and beyond-explanation that you can't help but find yourself thinking about it again and again, at random times in the middle of the day or night, on a walk in the park or wherever. You're reading this and thinking "yeah yeah, elves and tesseracts and jeweled basketballs, I've heard the mckenna talks, no big deal," you're thinking it's just like a particularly large or intense dose of shrooms. You just won't get it until you vape 40mg freebase the right way and truly blast off to another world.

Everyone owes it to themselves to break through into hyperspace at least once in their lives. It doesn't show you 'the truth' but it will broaden your horizons and give you a new perspective on things that is normally impossible to acquire outside of, like, grand mal religious episodes, major strokes, and near-death experiences.

>>9805370
Tripped hundred times at least back in the day, I can say I still see shit waving in tall grass. Also cant even smoke week anymore without thinking everybody is plotting against me..even though when I was younger most people were...I guess if your in good company it's better...but when you get older you have a lot of stories that most peeps think your bullshitting...one day I'm going to write a fucking book

>>9805159
there's no red transformers or yellow snapchats in your pic, but if you bought pressed mdma in northern california anytime around 2014-2016 there's a high chance it was meth and other crap.

>>9808506
pretty arbitrary. only drugs you don't do should be regulated. no facts, just opinions as justification. you obviously haven't taken enough psychedelics -__-

The few times i tried ecstasy i was depressed as fuck for weeks afterwards

>>9808586
what is interesting to me is how 'entitative' it is. 99% of dmt trips involve entity contact in some form large or small. whether it just be a general sense of being watched over or observed by invisible beings, or straight up balls-deep contact with elves/jesters/magicians/etc. also what is up with the jester/clown/magician thing, why are 80% of entities some kind of cosmic clown, why would a molecule in the brain encode for the experience of 'geometric clowns doing backflips for you' so consistently and specifically. even if the visuals or particulars of the clowns differ, they are always always energetic acrobatic clowns who dance circles around you. it's just fucking weird beyond description.

>>9807753
i feel like visual flashbacks are the result of "learning" to see those effects under certain conditions. i can usually make myself see slight visuals, especially in dim lighting,on wood grain,and a lot in the bathroom for some reason...

>>9808506
>>9808694
this

prohibition is immoral and does more harm than good

>>9808739
>>9808586
safe to take alone? can't really tell by your descriptions.closest thing i can think of that's similar is salvia. definitely made "contact". visuals started to explode into fractals, and everything ended up dr.seuss-like. but not in a pleasing way...ended up communicating (i guess) to this fucking candy cane striped arch (did not exist physically as far as i could tell) that had somehow established some authority over me. i remember wondering whether it was going to let me go out to have a cigarette. so yea, not a fun/happy trip, but definitely valuable and unlike anything else.

Drugs are for normies

>>9808793
yup that basically sums it up, and applies to almost every aspect of drugs (addiction, rehabilitation, purity, safety, price, etc.)

>>9808845
whoops you got it backwards. normies don't use drugs, because they can't escape conventional thinking. intelligent and successful people

will use any tool they can. just look at the bio-hacking stuff going on now. those billionaires are healthy as fuck.

>>9808826
it's similar to salvia in the way that you should have a sitter the first time, and if you take it with a bong you should have someone take the bong from you so you don't drop it.
the actual experiences are different imo. salvia is more "forgetting reality" whereas dmt is more "entering a different/true/hyperwhatever reality"

>>9805333
420 blaze it faggot dude weed lmao

>>9805159
Do meth and go to reddit is really the only option

>>9807537
safe is definitely relative.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/wiki/mdmaneurotoxicity

>>9805237
> discipline
> smokes weed everyday
> how bout you try laying off the drugs and see how disciplined u are johnny.

>>9805347
A friend got mindfucked after one expereince. He had to see a shrink after that.

>>9806338
So how much longer till you're sucking dick for your next dose?

>>9806338
How long you've been doing that for? Let me guess, less than 6 months and you're doing it once a month. Within another 6 months you'll be daily senpai trust me. Leave it alone.

>>9806338
it's alright...i think overhyped though. getting relief when you're sick is almost better than the actual effects (or maybe that's just when you're actually addicted XP) anyway, just do NOT get hooked. worst withdrawals among everything i've done. worse than coke, worse than cigarettes. not fun. if you do, easiest way to get off is to take vacation somewhere for at least 2 weeks.

>>9809461
I’ve got plenty of time in both sober and stoned. Your reading comprehension is lacking. I’d give you a quick rundown but I’m sure you’re not interested.

Since you obviously only read one post in the thread and trolled it, I won’t waste my breath. (Hint: someone already posted your response hours ago)

i did dmt and my ceiling fan turned into an alien and was looking around my room. It looked sort of like glados. but yeah ive tried pretty much everything, my favorite is nitrous oxide.

>>9808826
sorry anon I went out to a movie. if you're still around: salvia is usually (but not always) pretty dissociative and unpleasant, and also has the problem where you still can have significant control of your body while intoxicated, which can lead you to breaking shit or hurting yourself if done alone. Thankfully DMT vaped is extremely sedating and you tend to stay locked to the couch until it's over. Basically impossible to jump out a window or etc. Only trick is to be sure after inhaling to put down your equipment in a safe place where you won't fucking roll over it or anything, before you get sucked totally into hyperspace.