/biz/ - Business & Finance

YES BECAUSE THERE LITERALLY ARE ZERO CASES OF HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE FAILING IN LIFE!!!!
GREAT JOB ANON, YOU CRACKED THE CODE!!!

>>9802769
wow your wicked smart dude congrat

>>9802799
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, learning math and physics can literally only benefit you, and it's one of the best things you can do for your own future success.

It seems like you yourself could use a mental boost. I'd recommend brushing up on algebra and then going through calculus 1-3, linear algebra and differential equations for starters. There are plenty of great, free online resources for this.

>>9802809
Yes, I am, but this post is meant to help all of you.

>>9802769
you're so smart I'm surprised and forever grateful that you would share your advanced knowledge with us plebs on 4chin/biz

>>9802895
You know it's really apparent that your coping hard as fucc right now, right?

>/sour grapes general/

The answer is TWENNY WAN btw

>>9802854
can you link to some resources to get started? i can already program in javascript... but would like to get to the more advanced autistic, (haskell, lisp, c) level.

>>9802854
>Get 20 degrees
>Teach

So this is the power of education

>>9802769
what type of advanced math do you see in physics but not in engineering?

>>9802769
tldr
also you sound like retard

Hey, baby math is hard for us engineers.

>>9803040
abstract algebra/group theory, functional analysis, topology, differential geometry, many topics in linear algebra. I could go on.

>>9802769
Studying myself computer sciene, most of the students are too autistic to establish a company.

>>9803057
>I didn't read a post that could potentially be very valuable to me because it was too long and I can't be bothered
who's the retard again?

>>9803092
Yeah having been in both physics and math I've seen my fair share of autists too. That's why I also emphasize that you NEED to work on your social skills.

>>9802769
Im just gonna take all these math classes and then I will be Super successful because Im intellectually superior! you sound like a fucking loser and clearly arent that smart if you havent figured out social skills is the most important trait to success

>>9802769

your plan sounds great except it lacks the interpersonal aspect. people need to work together to solve real world problems.

you describe a superhero who does it all and only for himself.

>>9803057
that's because you don't go in depth. They just throw a bunch of math at you without actually explaining what's going on on a deep level.

>>9803132
woops this post was meant for >>9803080

>>9803104
cause reading couple lines of your bullshit gave me aids
>>9803132
le wat? wgat does this has to do anything ive said?

>>9803131
Well not really, I strongly emphasize the need to pick up social skills (where, of course, being able to work in a team is included).

>>9803146
bruh, read the post above you. Also, if my writing gave you aids, imagine what I've got after reading the grammar in your posts (or the lack thereof, I should say)

Why bother with theorums and complex logic when you can't even grow your own food or fix your stuff when it breaks. You're at the mercy of sub-90 IQ individuals, you're infantile. With the smarts to realize this but no time or motivation to remedy the problem, it will eat at you, knowing that you aren't self-sufficient, independent, a one man show. You're all theory, no practice. A fancy car with no engine to pull it.

>>9803128
Social skills works great until your business reaches a level of complexity that your brain isn't primed to handle, and it all goes to shit.

>>9803186
>Why bother with theorums and complex logic when you can't even grow your own food or fix your stuff when it breaks
Because I get people to do it for me, because I'm smart. My time is far to valuable to poking holes in the fucking dirt.

>>9803175
>bruh
go fuck yourself underage retard

>>9802769

I did an undergrad in Math and Physics (joint degree) and i'm about so start my PhD in September with funding from DeepMind to work on AI. I'm not sure Math and Physics are for everybody anon, you have to really be passionate about it plus they are abstract in most ways without any hands on or practical courses in the degree structures apart from MathLab and experiments.

And a reminder, it doesn't guarantee success, i know plenty of people who excelled academically and have rather miserable lives because of mental illness - don't think for a moment it will never happen to you.

>>9802769
Sorry anon but once you enter the business world you'll realize how little pure analysis matters. Most people are irrational and are motivated far more by power than being reasonable people. Learn emotional intelligence to overlay your firm foundation of analytical thinking and you'll be successful. It's actually more balanced in the end.
t. chemistry stemfag who entered the business world and have been relatively successful

>>9802854
You in your arrogance seem to forget that you know nothing of the lives of strangers you're talking with on the internet. I studied math in university you dumb cunt

>>9803186
This. Someone needs a reality check.

>>9802769
I've always suspected this to be the case but I have no idea where to even begin. I plugged and chugged my way through college math classes despite having 0 knowledge about the fundamentals of math. I'd love to delve into it and I'm always in awe when I see mathematical writings like this. How should I begin? I've tried looking into math courses on coursera and other sites like edx but there's an enormous amount of math-related courses with no clear starting point. Would appreciate your input.

tfw you study physics but you're going into research and going to get a shit salary anyway

All that math and physics aren't really going to help you sell shit to retards.

>>9803234
>And a reminder, it doesn't guarantee success, i know plenty of people who excelled academically and have rather miserable lives
This. Most academically minded people have this narcissistic element to themselves which causes them to overvalue their work. It's precisely this reason why most of them end up working at universities, colleges or in an endless post-bacc period. They tend to surround themselves with others of their '''caliber''' rather than enter the business world where they are awoken to the sobering reality that intellectual competence is only part of what makes a successful person.

>>9802769
TY anon this post is a nice nugget of weekend silver.
Im in the process of realizing my skill set sucks. Sales combined with Saas seems to be a great way to go but one that is currently out of my skill set.
Time to learn

Computer engineer here, I just finished discrete math and number theory (both proofs based classes). I fucking hated them. Yeah they taught me how to memorize a bunch of shit and write it out on an exam but that was it. I’d recommend using your time for other useful things, like learning new programming languages (I recommend meteorjs or rails) and actually building shit

>>9802799
>be me
>IQ 160 confirmed
>still failed 2 years at uni studying physics because of no work ethic and 0 control

you are missing the point very hard

the required neuroplasticity to excel at maths AND programming AND social engineering is extremely rare without being an actual psychopath

>>9803341
if you cant come up with the proof on the fly you havent understood the structure of math enough.

ther hard part is translating between "well x must be true, because its so obvious with conditions y and z" to a formal proof

>>9803359
modafinil bro
also magic mushrooms
Ibogaine especially if you can afford the out of country excursion for the trip(its hard on your heart but tolerable as used)

>>9802769
How old you think you are going to be when you master all this? Not a really good plan unless your parents take care of your for about half your life

>>9802769
>>9802769
>>9802769
I realize this is a standard troll thread, and that OP has long since departed, but in the unlikely event OP is still here, can you provide us with a single example of this individual you're describing?

>>9803365
>be me
>graduated from top 50 world univ with B.Sc. in chemistry
>got accepted for PhD program but bypassed to enter software and management consulting space
>have risen to the ranks in both product and business side
I think you laid it out perfectly anon. Feel like I walk the line pretty well but it took years of thinking, dudelmao, and spirituality to get it all in balance minus one period of mental anguish. Beware the spectre of unearned wisdom.

>>9803374
The way I did it was to look at the massive list of formulas or precious proofs I had written down and try to find a way to use them to solve the answer. I didn’t find it interesting in the least, but that’s because I find programming far more interesting than math

>>9802769
You sound like some faggot freshman that just completed their first semester of undergrad. The irony of your post is that you claim 'math' will enhance logical thinking while you exercise none. You know what doing high level math makes you good at? High level math. Just because you can do non-euclidian geometry or counting doesn't mean that those skills transfer to other areas of your life.

If you actually want to become proficient in logic then go study logic, but once again you're too fucking dense to realize this. You probably think that philosophy is a meme. Also, how many brilliant people out there actually became insanely successful because they knew how to exploit mathematics. I can think of one. If you can't even grasp that you need to have a well rounded set of skills instead of ''muh math' you're never gonna make it.

Come back when you get some life experience you whiny cunt.


>the absolute state of freshman

>>9803374
None of this is necessary nor rational to take up in real life. Just study accounting and you learn business inside and out comprehensively, to apply to any industry. All you need math-wise for accounting is algebra for the most part, and maybe studying calc at the actuarial level as actuary's are in high demand towards the future and make a great living.

Wasting your brain power on high-level math just to figure out how to problem solve is inefficient. Not to mention most math and physics is just theory, not real

>>9802769
>If you on top of this master social skills, sales and marketing
You're asking too much, fren. Stopped reading right there.

>>9803455
Why the fuck do you waste time on 4chan now? Have you burned out?

>>9802854
I know a really smart physics guy that got his master's and now works in a board game cafe because physics makes him miserable.

From your attitude, you are on to quit within the first semester.

>>9803289
Op is talking a bunch of shit but literally go refresh yourself with a little algebra on khans academy every now and then and you’ll be fine. Unless it’s literally your major you don’t need to know top peak math skills

>>9803455
>Beware the spectre of unearned wisdom.
best advice

>graduated from top 50 world univ with B.Sc. in chemistry
you still dont know math

>>9803464
programming and math is honestly the same thing, proofs are just algorithms to find the correct answer for a given problem or a particularly interesting form of the problem

but your learning process is fine if you dont enjoy it, cant blame you

>>9803472
>Just study accounting and you learn business inside and out comprehensively, to apply to any industry.
>Not to mention most math and physics is just theory, not real
The eternal accountant, oh anon, I dont know what to say...

it should be obvious that a gifted invidiual will be able to solve issues no matter what, and will adapt to environments no matter what. the problem comes in when your easy to compute job gets automated and nobody asks for your opinion because all the knowledge you aquired sits in some database

>>9803326
>>9803365

These as well. I have done well academically and have tried everything to excel in social intelligence but it's just not possible, there comes a point when excelling in social interactions is innate and genetic. This is why they say salesmen are born, not made. It is extremely rare to be able to do well with logical subjects like math and physics but also do well in sales, marketing, and business.

>>9803359
Adderall

>>9803496
Honestly because it's fun. I enjoy the banter. It's a nice counter-balance to the inherently fake world of business. I'm shitposting from my office right now kek.

>>9803385
>>9803522
I wont be taking drugs for something I succeed in while lowballing it. Its much more rewarding to change habits.

>>9803510
>automation

Damn, touché. Still, spending years on physics and unorthodox math is unnecessary, by the time it takes to do that more driven individuals would have certified themselves in IT, info systems, programming languages, etc, and then be miles of a head start on you

>>9803532
And with succeed, what I mean is "do better than 95% of students" right now while my work ethic is still disgusting, not the past

>>9803510
>you still dont know math
not to extent of physicists and mathematicians but probably still greater than most of the general population. Took everything up through partial differential equations including statistical mechanics and intro mathematical physics

>mfw all those internet 9k iq geniuses

>>9803550
ayeeeee youre doing good then, nvm

my chemics prof told me most people just wanna do algebra and avoid the rest as hard as possible

Top kek. You still will be a wagecuck. Come back than you become a well-paid actor/director/musician/sportsmen/at least businessman.

>>9803186
T. Brainlet cope posting

>>9802854
Are you just trying to make my major look bad? You have no passion for maths and physics and you're trying to school people on the right way to learn. Maths and physics takes passion for the field.

>>9802854

dude, just buy link. 1000 USD and Singgluarity before end of year.

>>9803216
Can you guarantee this too forever and always be the case?.

>>9802854
It can but not everybody has a high enough IQ do it on a high level. As a matter of fact very little people do

>>9802769
I have a bachelor’s degree in mathematics, but I don’t get physics. Mechanics was the lowest grade of my undergrad.

>>9803341
>TFW hate math
>TFW despise UNI
>TFW when gov only pays me more if I get one
I like programming a bunch have no interest in math on the slightest. But to get a degree which pays as a teacher I have to learn a bunch if useless bull that is not even required to teach.

It gives me anxiety just thinking about having to do it.

>>9803374

That's still memorization though. It's only easy because you've studied it enough.

>>9802769
Anon I totally agree
I graduated from engineering in the EU when I was 24 and math was all I loved from the classes. Been working for 5 years now and I saw other people lacking problem solving skills. I was a data consultant and people started loving working with me. I then realised I had to start muy business and things have never been better since.

Anons listen to OP he's right

>>9803550
Because it is boring, hard and non practical.

>>9803468
hahahahahaha

>>9802769
>my plan stats by graduating...
top kek
you'll soon learn young boy, what's reality like

>>9802769

Mathlet here, I struggled with first year Calculus, and I'm a terrible problem solver.

Is there any way to git gud?

Hello, I studying computer engineering in my undergrad and am doing computer science for my masters. My math is nowhere close to as good as the phd's in the lab im working at and I want to get much better for the reasons you've provided. Where should I start? I'm interested in computer vision so I am learning more 3d geometry/reconstruction but would like to expand my horizons. Any good resources?

>>9805215
> I studying
studied*

>university makes you smarter/more productive!
Lol

>>9802769

I only have half a brain :(. what to do OP. please help meee!!!

>>9803186
After scouring through most of the thread, this post highlight's OP's childlike nature. He reminds me of me when I entered college. I think these people accomplish very little to humanity and are about as beneficial to our society as the average consumer. These children will never make it with this mindset and they'll hate themselves for their whole life for it. This thread serves only as cope.

>>9805309
While you're right, it's easier to go:
>learn math
>become self-sufficient
than
>become self-sufficient
>learn math

The only question is whether you want to have high IQ or not. And, t b h, it's not worth it and will only make you depressed.

>>9803131
>>9803186
>>9803234
>>9803272
>>9803326
>>9803365
>>9803468
Ignore OP, listen to these guys desu

>>9802769
>math/physics degree
>can into programming
>move furniture and drives a truck for a living
I enjoy my life but tbqhwy engineering is way more useful for anything money related, and the difficulty level of math physics are the same if a respectable branch of engineering, but more geared towards the useful if that is your goal (it should be).

>>9802991
literally google "how to learn <programming language>" and click the first link
but you won't, because you have no drive or passion or determination

>>9803088
Those are not mandatory before earliest Masters level, but only depending on the field of study. The only one of these that are in a normal Physics BSc is linear algebra (that you get at the same level in the best branches of engineering also at bachelors level).

>>9802854
You have a great resume OP, I also love your ego and self confidence. I will definitely be hiring people like you to set up my chainlink nodes and using that smart brain of yours to build custom adapters for my specialty clients. Your service is of much use, Thank you.

>>9802854
So THIS is the power of physics and autistic learning huh

>>9803468
t. pretentious philosophy major that thinks he is over qualified for his latte artist job

>>9805703
Fucking kek

>>9802769
Language skills are easier and cheaper to acquire and provide greater cognitive benefits that learn math or math-based skills. There is substantial research into this already. Go learn another language, for free, in 6 months to a year and gain greater cognitive benefits than studying math for an entire degree-plan's worth of time.

It'll also make it easier for you to learn anything remotely language related, like music, computer languages, and even mathematics.

>>9802769
but these niggas say they heard of me, I ain't heard of you. Get the fuck up out my fucking face 'fore I murder you.

>>9802769

OP isn't accounting for the fact that anyone who can effortlessly excel in a pure mathematics field is probably of higher than average intelligence and therefore more prone to mental illness and social isolation, which will handicap their efforts without the constant use of potent psychotropic drugs whose long term side effects are an inability to feel or do anything while off of the drug.

I know of at least a couple math geniuses who have killed themselves or been committed to psych wards because their minds are oriented towards something that 90% of the world doesn't just not understand, but actively mocks and derides the people who study it as fucking quant nerd autist sperglords.

That said, being a quant at a top tier hedge fund or investment firm can be comfy af, like I'm talking 300k base salary and your job is secure since none of the other chad bro IBankers could ever understand anything that you do. Combine that with Python automation and machine learning and you'll be super rich and also probably super lonely, but normal people aren't interesting to you anyway, so whatever right?

>>9803385
modafinil didnt do anything for me. though i tried armodadinil which i read is a little better

>>9802769
gib prospectus pls

>>9802769
Thank you OP i am now going to go study physics and calculus I always wanted to be successful in life.

>>9802769
lol at math/physics brainlets coping and pretending they're gonna make it. The real brains are studying EE/CE and other engineering fields. The theoretical BS you study is the true baby math where they push you through your baby proofs and closed form mathematics lol.
Im in CE and working on numerically stable approximations for non-tractible mathematics. This is way more respectable than proving nonsense math that has no applications.
Also i'm sorry, but only having a BS is not enough to make it. You don't learn anything advanced enough during undergraduate. You need a MS/PhD to truly reach an advanced level. God dammit its always baby undergrads posting these threads.

Let me fix your God tier life plan
>Study physics/math as an undergraduate
>I'm so much smarter than everyone now that I have a B.S! Let me post on 4chan! I am a theory purist! I also code on the side!
>Nobody hiring me because my math/physics degree is useless
>Not good enough at coding for a software job
>Still think im smarter than everyone
>Fucks with my head because I cant get a job
>Work as a financial analyst for 40k a year
>Post on 4chan about how great I am

Now let me show you the chad masters/PhD in engineering plan:
>Study engineering at masters level
>Companies literally trying to suck your dick to get you because its rare to find experts in your field. Your skills can make companies fuck tons of money
>Fuck around with the different companies, accept job for 150k after a few interviews
>Say whatever the fuck I want at work, treat people I dont like badly, dick around, work from home a lot, dont even work some days if I dont feel like it.
>Company will never fire me because they need me, nobody else can do what I have because I actually researched useful applications during my degree
>If they fire me I'll get a raise elsewhere and repeat this process

Enjoy your baby undergrad math. You have so much to learn.

>>9806996
Some of what you say is true. Some. Like the part about companies putting up with all kinds of shit from engineers. Murderers -- actual murderers -- work at my company. And all they've got is a B.S.

What you don't mention is the lifelong learning required, looking over your shoulder, clawing your way up higher in the company where there are fewer positions available.

I wonder how many engineers even go back for an MEng, let alone a PhD?

Here's the thing: the PhDs I've known at work do fuck-all technically. They're either managers (waste of talent) or sub-par programmers.

>>9803092
This. Most ceos are engineers or business majors.

>>9802769
OP, people are being nice, but i actually want to help. what you wrote, up there, is fucking retarded. and you appear to be completely oblivious to it. you should be very VERY scared for your future.

>>9806996
>I'm special since I do undergrad tier applied math

>>9802769
lol nice
>tfw math/physics double major and a programmer at a fintech startup near my uni where I've been learning how to code from physics PhD's
I didn't plan to have these skills. Lucked out way too hard lmao

>>9802769
good luck. i did cs/physics undergrad, ece masters (concentration in meme-chine learning)

many fields promote logical thinking. you're overhyping it way too much. physics makes you god-tier at model making, but if you just naively create models for every problem you encounter, you'll find yourself oversimplifying things.

theory helps you solve problems, but engineering helps you build solutions. there's a lot of overlap, but each side has its own difficulties and being good at one doesn't automatically mean you'll be good at the other. Also the world needs both so stop acting all patrician about it.

>>9807956
>>9807956
True, I like the lifelong learning, but if you’re not careful your skills will become irrelevant quick.
The issue with a lot of PhDs is they get so caught up in their microfield that they stop programming entirely. Being a PhD makes you fantastic at the scientific method and research, but if your field isn’t application heavy you’ll lose technical skills fast.
In research heavy fields (NLP, information retrieval, genomics, MEMS) you get a ton of engineers going back to school to specialize.
>>9808386
It’s only undergrad math when you’re learning about existing research, not when you’re doing bleeding edge research and coming up with new solutions. This is why you need to go past the undergraduate level. I disagree with OP because learning math doesn’t make you some logic wizard who’s smarter than everyone. You need to partake in research and come up with novel solutions to problems in order to truly train your mind. The real skills come from learning the research process and picking up the ability to share results through publications/conferences.

>>9802769
How old are you lol?
I know retards with phds in mathematics and they're going nowhere and fast in life. Their only hope is that universities can postpone going online for as long as possible and hold their positions in academia. Once the whole, bloated, system of university gets overhauled these guys will be forced to compete with everyone else.
Their maths isn't going to count for shit.

>>9802769
By that image, it is clear that you don't know what high level math is.

>>9808962
Yea and you need undergrad math to understand anything meaningful at all. It's always the engineer bachelors in applied math grad school that are all the idiots who barely understand the basics or cry for instructions when handed an open-ended problems since they are trained for nothing but plug and chug problems

Who knows, maybe your research will lead you to huge discovers like pic related

>>9806013
I started learning a foreign language after reading some of Freud and Carl Jung. The original idea began as a way to develop a greater understanding of myself.
I can tell you that learning a foreign language basically reshapes your brain and changes the way you think about things and acquire new information. Still constantly learning.

>tfw low IQ

>>9805703
Wanted to post this

>>9809093
I don’t think engineering is about plug and chug problems at all, since most engineers are designing electronics and software. I’m an engineer though so I’m bias.
Honestly, there’s a big difference between the civil/mech/chemical engineers and the electrical/computer engineers. I can imagine that the first of those groups have the low mathematical understanding that you’re implying. In my experience EE/CE are very math intensive, and it’s often the science students who seem to struggle more than the engineering students in my program. At the end of the day both science & engineering programs output geniuses and idiots, most likely in equal amounts among both.

One can hope, or Il just publish useless shit nobody will ever use.

>>9802769
You are smart and this is good advice.

But your actual plan for it is disgustingly shitty.
Ecommerce? Crypto? Lmao are you that fucking dumb?

You said advanced programming. Get to senior developer asap. Identify a gap in the market. Then leverage all your skills to open a business, making and selling software.

Shopify...ahahaha

>>9809093
>>9809253
It's not that easy. I'm an EE grad student (it's actually more like applied math, plenty of theoretical work) and there is a huge difference between the different universities. For example, there are EE programs where you learn basic measure theory as a basis for analysis in undergrad. There you can choose to have a curriculum that is more like a math program with some engineering courses. On the other hand, there are EE programs where you don't even have to do a single proof.

>>9809093
>biology majors
lmao

>>9809352
Yea this is very true. EE/CE are such broad fields, degrees can be vastly different by concentration.

>>9802769
Jesus Christ, you sound like a uni recruiter. Go hang with math majors and tell me how many of them want to bend the world over.
You are clearly a high school student who has a very general idea of how the world works

>taking advice on how to be a millionaire from people who aren't millionaires

That's why everyone ITT will die poor.

>>9803628
Such a brainlet, right?