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>>9783936
Let me tell you hwat I started smoking Marlboro reds when they were like $7 a pack (this is in CT) and by the time I was good and addicted the price had jumped to $10 in most stores around me.

Cigarettes are an outlier example of how this kind of tactic can actually benefit people, because I've quit.

>>9783936
Live in a state where they're still $4-5 a pack. Feels good man

>>9783951
Good goy

>>9783951
good to see another CT anon around here

I really wonder how they get these prices, because that's lower than the prices I found for Chicago last year - and then I actually _got there_ and found cigarettes were mostly around $6-7 a pack.

Fun Fact: Did you know that it's illegal to live in the US, vacation somewhere, buy a pack of cigarettes, then bring it back into the country?

Land of the free, everybody.

>>9783936
Straya cunts, showing everyone what's for. Nanny state ftw

>>9783936
It’s more like
We have a government partly funded healthcare system and you’re a god damn border and don’t contribute enough.

Removing smokers or obese people from public healthcare is extremely
Complicated both legally and logistically is easier to tax these extremely u healthy vices.
While I’m not with sugar tax and shit like that because you can perfectly enjoy a treat once in a while without causing considerable harm to your health, smoking is just plain horrible and while u have every right to do whatever u want, I don’t want to pay for your increased cost when you require treatment, it’s been proven over and over again smoking increased the possibility of cancer, makes any surgery and sickness far more complicated the older u get and far more expensive etc, requires far more care than non smokers and just plan more expensive and you should pay for that and the best way to make u pay is by charging it on top of the price of cigarettes, in fact right now in Australia the price doesn’t cover the real burden of smokers on tax payers.
It should be about 60% higher in Sydney and Melbourne.

>>9784006
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/an-australian-senator-has-just-thanked-smokers-for-their-8-billion-staggering-generosity-to-the-economy-2014-10

>>9783936
>paying to slowly kill yourself

Only brainlets would do that.

>>9783975
I'm from the shitty part, don't get to thinking I'm a rich kid.

>>9784037
150 million?
Did he just pull that out of his ass?


31 billion dollars if the cost of smokers to the Australian economy every year.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/9d29c844-57b0-4d68-808b-2dfd13aec28c/ah16-4-7-tobacco-smoking.pdf.aspx

I am all for cheap whatever, but don’t expect me to pay for you. If they remove smokers from public healthcare and force them to pay private healthcare I’m happy for cigarettes to drop in price, while you are leeching off my tax I will support any initiative to make you pay your fair share.

>>9784027
I don’t know what language is this, it seems like trying to communicate

>>9784027
Do you always type and think like a cocksucking retard? So lets raise prices of everything, because everything is potentionally harmful and can cause addiction.

>>9784068
My grandad started smoking at 7yo because of post ww2 famine in soviet union as it offsets some hunger pain. He tried to quit but couldnt and still in good shape at 77yo.
Paying for cigarettes is still dumb though

>>9784081
Read the article - direct costs at the time the article was written was $318.4m ($450m if including bushfire control).

All the other 'costs' beyond that point are 'social costs' as measured by sjw.

Tobacco taxes account for revenue equivalent to mining royalties. ~18% of the population, being smokers, pay ~15x more towards healthcare than non-smokers.

We're the leeches, non-smokers that is, however we want to roll the facts.

>>9784093
>>9784084
iPhone autocorrect is quite annoying.

The argument is simple, smokers are a burden to public funded healthcare the the tax on cigarettes partly covers the cost.
I’m ok with people doing whatever they want just not whole leeching off my tax money.
For healthcare Smokers are far more expensive on average that non smokers, it’s been proven again and again that smoking increases the risk of developing or contracting serious and expensive diseases, increases the risk of cancer and makes treatment far more difficult and only gets worse with age.
If there was a way to remove smokers, the obese and anyone who willingly engages in activities that greatly deteriorate their health from public healthcare then that would be the fair way to reduce to price of cigarettes.

Tldr I don’t want to pay for your degeneracy, cigarettes should cost more to cover to damage you cause to public healthcare and the Australian economy

>>9784159
Uh oh turns out you are the leech on hard paying smokers, sucks to be you goy >>9784140

>>9784171
Right.
Addicts will chose to believe whatever allows them to continue their addiction free of guilt.
The reality is quite different that’s why everywhere smokers are bashed.
My workplace alone smokers take 2-3 15 minutes break a day I don’t care, but god damn how addicted and dependent on something you have to be to absolutely need to smoke 2-3 times during an 8 hours shift, I see smokers constantly needing a cigarette when they’re dealing with stressful situations, that’s pathetic.

>>9784192
Lmao dumb wagie, i can see where your resentment now comes from, they have more breaks than you do

>>9784094
>My grandad started smoking at 7yo because of post ww2 famine in soviet union as it offsets some hunger pain. He tried to quit but couldnt and still in good shape at 77yo.
literally why the fuck would you post this? do you think an anecdote proves that cigarattes arent harmful? Do you think it wont shorten the average persons lifespan

smokers are so fucking stupid, I hope you all get cancer as quickly as possible

>>9784207
Lmao I can go on a break whenever I feel like it but I don’t need an excuse.
Most companies if not all allow u to go on “smoke break” even if you’re not a smoker, because how would they fucking know and even if they did nobody cares about enforcing that dumb shit.

Smokers absolutely and unequivocally BTFO.
I hope one day we truly tax the shit out of smokers far beyond their cost to healthcare.
Even weed smokers are not this bad.

what year is that from? even if that is in USD its still low. a pack of 25's cost $30 (~$23USD) plus, these days

>>9784074
Gun wavin' New Haven?

>>9783951
gj fren

>>9784192
nicotine is over 2x more addictive than heroin
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/whats-the-most-addictive-drug-2012-8

>>9783936
fuckin getting real over this country. You cant even grow your own tobacco for fucks sake. The penalties are harsher than growing weed and weed is still illegal here. Figure that out.

>>9784027
>>9784159
>t. norman
jesus christ you sound like a faggot
smoking is only bad for you if you are genetically susceptible for cancer
all my grand parents smoked until they died at ages 80-95, both my parents still smoke in their 70s, all my siblings and me smoke
not one case of anything that has required healthcare in the family because of smoking
they that fucking moral projection and soׅyboy mentality back to where it belongs

>>9784247
You don't get it do you? We already do tax them far beyond their cost to healthcare. Currently, we cannot do without the revenue their addiction raises.
The writing is 'on the wall' however - as I see it, the rumbling about a sugar tax is a de facto discussion about the imminent and rapid decline of tobacco revenue that will occur once safer nicotine source alternatives such as vaping are 'formally' allowed. (Which it will be, and as it should be).

>>9784247
?

>>9784275

75 AUD (57 US), for a 50g pouch of port royal now. Add a 5pack of tallys and the price is closer to 80. When I started smoking full time 6 years ago, the price was about 45 dollars for 50g

>>9784340
I agree with this too, my great grandmother lived to 88 and smoked/ drank like a fucking trooper till she passed. All my grandparents and their siblings smoked for decades, one still does. No cancer and theyre all entering their 70s. My grandfather did have a minor stroke last year though, hes fine.

My partners grandmother just retired last year and was diagnosed with cancer less than a year later, shes still undergoing treatment. Never smoked in her life.

One of my good mates came down with the cancer, (never smoked either) a few years back and was fine 6 months later.

>>9784340
>smoking is only bad if you’re genetically susceptible to cancer

That might be the dumbest thing I’ve read all week, congrats anon.
Please do not reproduce I guess I won’t have to worry about that since smoking decreases sperm count and activity.
You’re free to do whatever you want I don’t care about discussing whether it’s good for you or not I don’t care about you, you’re a retard I don’t even think about you. My issue that statistically smokers cost more to the healthcare system than not smokers and that’s a fact. Whether they’re genetically predisposed or whatever menta gymnastics you want to make, it’s a fact.
That’s why you pay more for smokes. And will pay far more in the future, suck a dick.

>>9784421
Did someone stick a lighted ciggy up your arse? You can tell us, we're all anons

If you were passing a budget in the legislature and you need to find new ways to generate revenue, it makes sense to tax something like tobacco. It provides literally no benefits to society or the smokers themselves other than the physical/social satisfaction they get from them which is countered twofold by science that proves it's actually bad for them. If they want to pay more to hurt themselves (and the environment, smokers literally pitch butts everywhere) the government will tax them more and take that money for something more useful, like school budgets and infrastructure. It's not that hard to figure out. If you smoke you're aware it's bad for you but maybe you don't stop anyway.

>>9784421
>smokers cost more
that would be fatasses actually. still have an issue, fatass?

>>9784472
I live in a small town in Missouri where a lot of fat people and a lot of smokers are the same people and they both are a drain on the economy as a whole.

>>9783936
Who gives a shit anon. The government should make them illegal so complaining about a price increase seems pretty dumb.

>>9784081
https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/9d29c844-57b0-4d68-808b-2dfd13aec28c/ah16-4-7-tobacco-smoking.pdf.aspx

>none of the stats go past 2014

fewer Australians are smoking
>stats focus on underage people

smokers smoke fewer cigarettes per week
>because its almost illegal to fucking smoke anywhere other than your backyard

1.9 times more likely to smoke if gay
>why is this even a fucking thing

this entire document is fucked. It even states youre more likely to smoke if youre poor, unemployed or indigenous, yet they continue to fuck the shit out of us with taxes.

I wont deny that there is a clear decline in smokers but why would they use stats gathered prior to the implementation of the disgusting extortion tactics the government currently uses. The decline that their stats are showing is fucking insignificant compared to how much they have raised the price of tobacco products. If prices were what they were 10 years ago I would be over 100 dollars a week better off, thats 3 years of pay rises for me.

Also, tobacco sales increased in Q4 last year for the first time in years, despite cigarettes costing more than ever before.

>>9784460
taxing smokes is fine but extortion is illegal

1 cigarette will cost over 2 dollars by the end of next year the way Australia is going

>>9784472
Yes.
I advocated for anyone who willingly engages in activities that are highly detrimental to their health to be removed from public healthcare as they become a burden to the majority that do not.
Obisity, smoking, drug addictions, etc.
Why do you all get so defensive when someone shows you fact? Can’t you have a discussion without getting all emotional?
>>9784457
You criticise lefties and basedboys and act exactly like one, stop being such a limp wristed faggot who can’t deal with arguments.
We all know you would not say that in real life, just the thought of it would make u start shaking faggot.

>>9784574

hey everyone I found someone who knows how to have fun

lighten up fucko.

>>9784595
If you’re annoying online I can only imagine what you’re like irl.
No wonder you need to smoke, must be a sad life

>>9784611
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>>9784421
>>9784247
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>>9784027
>Being this mad on 4chan

>>9784068
You never ate fastfood and walked past a highway/visited a city with many cars? Tell me more.

>>9784457
> lighted

>>9784574
what the fuck are you talking about? tobacco tax vastly outweighs the expense to public healthcare, the burdens aren't taxed at all

>>9784574
So what about things that are less obvious? You can have a bad diet without being obese. Playing extreme sports? Deciding to live near a major highway? Choosing a stressful job? Do you differentiate between casual and daily smokers? What about alcohol?

It's not feasible.

>>9784914
Hence why I said earlier it was very complicated and it was easier to just tax cigarettes.
I don’t have the statistics regarding extreme sports etc, I do for smoking and it’s an activity that is detrimental for the health of anyone who engages in it and greatly increases the cost of providing medical services to that person, on average smokers are more expensive to treat than non smoker.
That’s it.

>>9784037
>senator-has-just-thanked-smokers-for-their-8-billion-staggering-generosity
That was literally a gag from fucking Yes, Prime Minister!! Sir Humphrey says that smokers as 'selflessly' paying into the federal health budget.
>Leyonhjelm
even funnier coming from that libertarian chromedome

this is 3spoopy5me, how a satire from the 1980's keeps becomes prophetic again and again in Westminster style democracies