/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>9753137
Bump for interest, sauce me on this dawg

We need giant blocks like bcash, we can't let this decentralized menace exist.

Whoever ‘outlaws’ this shit is 1) shooting themselves in the foot and 2) just encouraging people to go even further underground with it. Believe it or not TPTB aren’t all powerful, some things can indeed grow too fast for them to control.

>>9753250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_lwYL2vzQ

>>9753137

It wont. Those antennas operate withing the 2.5/5 ghz frequencies. Those are the public frequencies also used by stuff such as babymonitors, etc.

They literally cant ban it, for they would need to ban thousands upon thousands of consumer products. Do some fucking research, jesus christ.

>>9753137
(((They))) won't be able to stop us.

>>9753137
This is bad ass. It’s for skycoin?

>>9753356

Yep, hardware is being developed as we speak. The typical /biz/ nay-sayers will post wojaks soon while fomo'ing in at 250 USD... as usual.

>>9753137
Mesh nets are a meme. To much cost/effort with no practical benefit. How does running on a separate network from the internet actually benefit anyone? It doesn't. They still run on the same infrastructure that the internet does, so if you can censor the internet via ISP's and if you can spy on internet connections via routers and wire tapping, then you can do the exact same thing with meshnets.

It's a cool toy concept, that's all.

>>9753399

You haven't understood a single thing about Skycoin. Does it hurt having such a low iq? Seriously...

>>9753347
>thinking 5ghz will be able to reach anything outside someone's own property
fucking skyfags are so delusional

>>9753414

There exists an extensive library of articles about how they are going to accomplish this. Do. some. fucking. reasearch.

>>9753333
LOL I hope these come with the skyminer just as Synth promised the mobile wallet.

>>9753414
10 km range iirc

>>9753347
I wonder how the actual fuck are they gonna filter all that noise LMAO. Frequency band regulations exist for a reason.

>>9753459

Nope. 15 km actually. Me and my friends will be able to cover our entire province in the netherlands.

I have an idea.

Lets call it meshneets.

This might be worth reading if ur a brainlet. Seems like biggest problem will be interference from other electricals that operate on same frequencies

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-range_Wi-Fi

>>9753463

I'm not going to indulge you. Look it up for yourself. It's all out there. Stay poor faggot. You are your own worst enemy. Literally. Blame nobody else but yourself when this coin is 800 USD before october. Screenshot this.

I'd say MESH networks are the best in terms of redundancy and speed. However they are still impractical for big areas and covering huge distances.

Unless your putting private cable into the oceans to connect countries, a MESH network will not prevent ((them))

>>9753495

our you launch a few small cube satelites like Nexus is doing to cover transatlantic communication. It's allready happening folks. What wasn't possible just a decade ago, has become reality now.

Buy the future.

>>9753403
wow good argument, you've convinced me to invest my money into skycoin

I have some concerns.
Coin hours have to be cheap enough for people to drop Isp and be as fast. I know in the U.S. the speeds are shit but they are fast enough and cheap enough for streaming and using Facebook.

I know people don't use the internet at home 24 hours a day but our devices do.

You have to be a literal brainlet to believe that.

Illegal acts are the distribution of Internet projects and all methods are done very quickly. The second is what you can do.

>>9753399
This sounds like something someone would say about Bitcoin in 2009

>>9753747
To prevent literals, thousands of consumer products are being prevented. Learn a part of Jesus Christ.

>>9753747
Bitcoin has nothing to do with mesh nets, and the benefits of bitcoin were pretty apparent as outlined in its whiepaper. What are the benefits of using a mesh net? please educate me.

>>9753739
>>9753769
you might want to head to the ER

>>9753792
It is the same as the work of the Internet infrastructure. Therefore, network monitor can use same ISP router's Internet censorship lines.

>>9753137
Isn't that an incentive to support the projects, anon?

>>9753798

>>9753899
He's right, and there's no amount of le epic brainman meme posting that will change that.

>>9753798
Some one doesn't understand what packet masking is.

>>9753472
Gotta go further, drop the mesh and add sky...oh shit

>>9753414
>the bandwidth determinations propagation range
Partially true, but power is pretty important as well.

>>9753137
The FCC cannot srop you from putting an antenna on your roof. doesn't matter what it's for
Same goes for your landlord and ant homeowner's association

>>9753442
But It's physically impossible. Shannon & SNR tells me so. You're being pajeeted with tech you (and possibly the devs) don't understand.

What are the chances these Antennas will cause massive, explosive cancer?

>>9753481
Wireless meshnets sound cool on paper, but they simply do not work. No one has made a working solution. What happens in a conference or large gathering with homogenous mobile devices? Hint: your connection drops due to overloading of certain frequencies.

>>9754412
True, but the inverse square law applies so its gonna be loads of power to get it across the street, or god forbid, to the next neighborhood or city without farmers/belmont beverage dumping terawatts of power into the air

Or the ocean

>>9753137

>>9754542
Its a bit like tesla's "wireless power supply" bullshit and living under power lines. Youll get tumors, birds will drop out of the sky, the bees will get lost and die, and the rivers will turn red with blood

>>9753468
15 km line of sight with an outside antenna, high up. Not going through hills. If you are in a valley it isn't going to work until a lot of people adopt it.

Unless you set up repeaters. Enough to reach the nearest hill.

>Synth wants to cover the earth with his antennas, and send vaguely described cubes into orbit

what is his endgame?

This is the skycoin bullshit im seeing posted everywhere? Lol. Youre all going to lose your money.

>>9753250
sauce me on those quads
>check'd

>>9753468
Did someone made some calculations on this?
I have a LoRa setup that can reach up to ~10km. But that is by far not fast enough for a meshed network. No way that 5Ghz can reach up to 15km with the transmitting power limit of 100mW.

>>9754678
why do you say that?
Skycoin seems legit so far

>>9754668
Don’t forget about cheap internet for Africa.
>Niggers get teh internets almost for free
>Watch tv series, porn and animu all day long instead of constantly breeding and killing each other
>Nigger population goes down dramatically
Based Synth

what they dont realize is that on 2.4 and 5ghtz that they have to use omni directional antennas and they have a fucking range/speed of fuck all. And what about government fucking jammers and noise???????

>>9753137
Vaporware

>>9755071
Don’t think we get an answer from those brainlets. To technical.

>>9755131
misseed the ama. my only chance to see synth floudner for answers

Been saying that the meshnet is completely impossible with current tech for a while. So glad to see skytards so btfo here.

>>9755071
the range and speed would be fine for a literal community, the problem is there aren't going to be any of these skycucks anywhere near one another. faggots like >>9753468 are retarded if they're shilling this and not going into business themselves getting all those people he thinks give a shit set up with the right radio gear.

Sky is the perfect scam project.
>promise something impossible that sounds cool in theory
>convince non-technical brainlets that "we'll get there soon"
>milk them for years and keep their hopes up

>>9753347
lol can't wait for CP that's going over skynet to be broadcast on someone's baby monitor when the signals cross.

>>9753137
>ban .exe files
>chinks now can't play world of warcraft
>mass riots ensue

>>9755306
It literally already has achieved a many times faster TOR (currently for free, later pay with coinhours). The ISP part takes time, but it's not impossible.

>>9753137
whos project?

>>9753137
skycoin+DAPS=?

>>9753788
Meshnet enables faster and decentralized internet.
When comparing to cryptocurrencies, the nodes have another kind of incentive to stay online isntead of PoW: They offer VPN services and run sub-blockchains for businesses.

>>9755516
It's called Skycoin Fiber. Each token gets their own blockchain with 300 tx/s than run in parallel in the skyminers (hence why there are 8 orange pi-s in a node). Eth has 30 tx/s between all tokens.

>>9755555
why not both

nice numbers

>>9755555
>Quint fives, checked
Skycoin the next internet AND next ETH confirmed

>>9755337
>Look, jessica, our kid is sleeping!
>Suddenly the kid gets a good shag of love

>>9755337
You sure know how encryption and technology works

>>9755071
The frequency does not determine whether you use omni or not, its the use case. Consumer use cases are at home use, with mobile devices. normans cannot aim the directed antenna. The mobile device is constantly moving around. hence omni. For Skywire there is software that makes aiming easy, and the antennas are stationary.

>>9753137
ok skyfags why you need custom made wi-fi antennas

>>9756176
cuz were taking over noob

its time

Synth will lead us into a better future

>>9756190
why not use existing wi-fi antennas

>>9756208

Beause:
>DIY is the tits
>They're made to spec
>Probably cheaper
>just 'cause, faggot

>>9756208
cuz existing ones do not have the mindcontrol skyrays

>>9756221
tfw don't know what "economies of scale" is

>>9756236
the state of skyfags

>>9756176
Antennas are directional and have motors on them for software assisted aiming. There will be other low form factor stationary antennas that are cheap but can't be targeted but you will have to place them on a surface facing another antenna. People will place multiple antennas to form the mesh network. Beyond that, Skywire will work over any physical connection medium.

>>9756208
There's probably not a wide selection of WiFi antennas commercially available for this intended usecase.
Also, why do they build and sell Skyminers themselves? Yes, extra business, but it enables a lot more people to contribute to the network who are unable to build the node theirselves.
I'm guessing the same thing with antennas - when starting the network off, it's better if most people use the same hardware for troubleshooting purposes.

>>9753332
>some things can indeed grow too fast for them to control.
yes but (((they))) can try, they will crash the world if it means keeping their wealth from transferring to us cattle

>>9756255
holy fucking shit this level of delusion

>>9756268
jesus fucking christ

>>9756272
There is an incentive. Everything is accomplished by the community. Skywire will NOT bring decentralized internet to most people because most people dont care about decentralized internet, Skywire brings improved protocols for better routing of internet traffic to a everybody, this attracts many businesses. Skywire will be centralized by new entrepreneurs, but they will never be able to prevent you from running your own machines and being free of the yoke. The yoke is worn only by those who accept the yoke. Most will, so you have an opportunity to get rich by placing the yoke on the norman.

>>9756272
>>9756283
nice arguments

>>9756319
>>9756325
These are in response to the antennas, the fact that these are being shilled shines a light on the absolute fucking state of /biz

>>9756319
lmao this is peak autism

>>9756339
what are you talking about, antennas are science fiction now?

>>9753347
>>9755337

>>9753137
You think (((they))) get a choice in the matter?

>>9756358
no faggot they are readily fucking available. this is literally the same as shilling modems.

>>9756341
Businesses are indeed attracted by higher performance communications.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_potato_routing

>skyshit
nobody is going to use it, nobody is going to run it. it's coin is only good for speculative late adopters.

if you want a true decentralized internet, you have to start with devices everyone owns, like routers, or phones, or laptops, not some worthless shitcoin nobody is going to remember in 12 months.

>>9756521
Retard, you need better hardware that is designed for this purpose, you cant connect two phones over the wifi hotspot that your phone can share, range is to short and it requires you to have a connection to something else first which you fucking dont since the range is so fucking short

>>9756521
That shit doesn't work, but good luck trying. Besides, Skywire is only the application for Skycoin. Skycoin is a platform that brings blockchain technology to real world applications.

>>9756521
>>9756539
Yeah maybe you should look into skycoin as you seem to have no idea what it is, its a platform like ethereum, except it isnt limited to smartcontracts, you can do much more on it, and it gives EVERY DAPP its own blockchain so that no dapp can clogg the network like cryptokitties did with ethereum, fucking retard, calling it skyshit and doesnt even know what the fuck it does, typical brainlet right here

>>9756550
You are being slightly overzealous. But it is forgiven.

Skycoin is really the only cryptocurrency that needs to exist.

>>9753137

lol this mesh will never connect, people who invest in skycoin deserve to lose

>>9753347
explain to me how you get a globally covering mesh network using wifi antenna's: ever tried doing the math regarding minimal needed coverage?

Uhhhhhh

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019Z28CE4?crid=1YBQGUWB2QPZ2&keywords=wifi+antenna&qid=1528199434&sprefix=wifi+ant&sr=8-9&ref=mp_s_a_1_9

>>9756319
Skywire brings improved protocols for better routing of internet traffic to a everybody

bwhahhaa

>>9756596
There will be fiber-connected exit nodes faggit

>>9756588
Skycoin is making it easy for 3rd party providers to set up shop and install Skywire nodes all over the fucking world.

Its already easy enough to set up a Skyminer, but future versions will require zero configuration and be installed by nice men in clean vans with attractive logos and company names. The nodes will be remotely administered to.

https://github.com/skycoin/viscript

>>9756521
You don't get it. Making all devices compatible is too much to do at one time. You will eventually be able to use all routers and devices, but for testnet it's way easier to use similar hardware. One step at a time.

>>9755555
Checked. Sky Gonna make me so reich

>>9756588
Skycoin is a success already without the meshnet, fucking DYOR.

>>9754903
I hope you're getting paid to shill this

>>9756639
You already can install Skywire on PC. There is an official guide for Mac and Linux, and unofficial guides for Windows.

>>9756627
and all these are darkfibers to another wifi antenna thingie?

>>9755536
holy shit you fucking children, I've been working with meshnets since the fucking 90's and the last thing that I would call them is fast.

>>9756704
The main drawback to meshnets is poor infrastructure growth due to lack of incentives.

>>9756704
Beats me. They read some words they don't understand and draw conclusions. Or the devs are straight up lying to them.
>Yeah it's a LOT faster to have Dijkstra algo based routing where you have every node connected to one another :)))

>>9756704
The speed increase comes from using Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) instead of the old (TCP/ IP) protocol, which is not good for meshnets.
I encourage people to really look into this instead of hooking to 1 fact/sentence and making up your minds about the whole project.

Good idea, let's all hop in the Meshtrain, I'm sure you can trade when your 100x Market order takes 15'000 hops to reach Bitmex.

And I'm not even talking about MITM attacks and all the whatnots with relying on a bunch of raspberry Pis to cypher your datas.

You will just get JUST'd

>>9756766
MPLS & EoMPLS (layer 2 ethernet frames over an MPLS network) is being used in modern systems. Why do you make it seem like MPLS is meshnet specific? What concrete speed advantages does a meshnet provide. I'm all ears.

>>9756815
Wait, so you're saying raspberry pi's aren't as good as CISCO or F5 hardware?

>>9756704
>the way i've been doing something sucks, therefore it's impossible for anyone to do it better
>they're not doing things the way i would do it, therefore it's guaranteed to be even worse than the failures i have experience with
k

>>9756815
wifi antennas are only for last couple hops of distribution. skywire works over any physically possible connection.

its the same shit every thread. people assume they are coming up with game-killing flaws. but everything is already accounted for. go ahead and think you're smarter than everybody else (combined).

>>9756824
Quote from whitepaper
>Almost all Internet traffic today uses the Transmission Control Protocol/ Internet Protocol (TCP/ IP) communication protocols. These protocols are over 40 years old, and are not well suited for a mesh network. TCP interprets any packet loss as a signal of network congestion and automatically scales back connection speed to alleviate congestion. Additionally, IP-based routing is slow and computationally expensive due to each node having to independently look up where to send the packet next.The Skywire communication protocol uses Multi-protocol Label Switching (MPLS) techniques to enable highly-scalable and high-performance transport of any data across any medium. With MPLS, routes through the network are determined prior to sending traffic. Outbound packets receive nested labels that describe their route through the network. When a node receives a packet, it simply reads the outermost label and takes the corresponding action. This requires vastly less computational effort than IP routing table lookups.

There's more info on page 15: https://downloads.skycoin.net/whitepapers/Skycoin-Whitepaper-v1.0.pdf

Would be cool if you had a look and gave your perspective if this makes sense or not.

Skywire (decentralised internet) is just one of the many applications running on the Skycoin platform.
There are also many dapps and games - at least seven have already launched with 30+ more in the pipeline.
And of course it's a fast, free, private currency, that generates a secondary currency (coin hours) by holding the Skycoins.
Fudders here are getting too caught up in the intricacies of one of Skycoin's apps, and missing the forest for the trees.

>>9756892
That's already how the internet works. You have pre-calculated paths. Only the convergence (building routing tables and such) takes time, but you only need to do it at router boot-up. BGP, which is a path vector protocol which basically handles the "internet". internal BGP is full meshed, while external BGP is not. There's a reason we do this. We only send aggregate routing data to outside world to not bog the fucking network with trillions of calls. ISPs use MPLS and other protocols/techniques to handle data transmission within an Autonomous System (iBGP domain). There's no need to use it internet wide. Instead we have this neat master table which contains all the routes to all the ASs, which BGP refers to when you try to access websites. You'll still need TCP/IP even with MPLS. You would have to change how computers and all the hardware in the world work in order to change this this.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm phoneposting from work so this isn't too tidy rant.

>>9753333
He laughs like Mozart from Amadeus

>>9757144
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>>9756892
n(n-1) / 2
Is the amount of connections in a mesh network. You can imagine how many links there will be if the system gets full adoption. It's true that it's better for resiliency, decentralization and redundancy but such a system will be incredibly slow.

>>9757097
I guess in a nutshell MLPS isn't a miracle solution in itself that makes internet fast, it's just a more effective protocol when using meshnets.
But I do believe that one of the main propositions of skywire is to use public keys instead of IPs. So you connect to other nodes via the mesh net using MPLS and a public key, but use tcp/ip locally to connect to your local node with a proxy solution.

>>9756627
I thought you were getting rid of ISPs?

>>9757299
I have my doubts about the speed, but it's going to offer a solution to ISP monopolies. In the US it's a real problem. And establishing cheap internet to developing countries/communities. The real next upgrade to the Internet will most likely be by implementing satellites/optical links on large scale. Essentially reducing hops and making routing more simple.

>>9757359
How do you build a new internet?
One step at a time.

>>9754620
>hills
You don't know much about the netherlands, do you?

Lets say these mesh antennas were popular and adopted. Good luck stretching them from the US over to Europe.

reminder that people thought btc and xmr would be banned too

>>9757359
ISP's serve retail internet to home and small business customers. ISP's buy access to their internet from wholesale backhaul providers. They can be cut out of the loop by bridging the last mile.

>>9753137
how many of you understand the tech? probably 1%. the rest reads some magical words and believes it. im not saying skycoin won't make it, just an observation.

>>9756743
I work at a power company.
Every meter on every house is a node in a mesh network running in the 900mhz band. Each meter has to transmit a couple dozen kB of reading data daily. Meshing only really works for up to 20 or so nodes, at which point intermittent failures and bandwidth chokepoints can result in meters not reporting. To solve this, we had to put backbone routers all over the place on poles to aggregate data and transmit back to towers using very expensive licensed equipment operating at higher power than a consumer device can. The towers then transmit back to us over fiber.

The connection from the poles to our server is very reliable. The connection from the meters to each other and to the poles is fairly unreliable. It's not uncommon for a meter to not be able to transmit it's data packet for a few days. In areas where you have houses packed together on 1/8th acre lots you get very good performance, but put more than a couple hundred meters between meters and you'll have issues.

Meshes don't scale on real world geography except in dense cities.

>>9758606
In the case of a power company the main influence is profit motive, the system must be cheaper to operate than the alternative. This leads to extenuating design challenges, yielding a result that does not necessarily reflect a model state of the art implementation.

>>9753788
IoT will need meshnets.
Still skycoin is something "built" by a literal snake oil salesman but at one point we will need meshnets because the way of building giga server farms is just not sustainable with the growth of internet.
In fact telecom companies are working hard on that as we speak as it could totally flip the table against Google, Amazon and co.

I asked this question in one of synths AMA because I agree. The government and the FCC has already proven they aren't on our side. They will try to stop this. The answer was basically 'oh they can't look at darknet and torrenting'. Not sure it's a fair comparison though.

great, even more radiation
>its non ionizing so its safe
uh huh, sure
>brain tumours doubling
oh, no no no! whatamigonnado

shit, never realized this was such a retarded idea

>>9753137
They can't do shit, and outlawing that crap will only motivate more people to do otherwise.

>>9759096
Skywire antennas are focused directional antennas, not omnidirectional such as in regular consumer uses. With the same energy level, far greater distances are achieved, and by aiming the beam, you avoid affecting lifeforms in the vicinity.

Consumer wifi is all omnidirectional because of those fucking phones always moving all over everywhere and the idiot public couldnt even aim an antenna to save their lives anyhow.

>>9758721
You're retarded. The motivation is we're required to submit load shapes to our PUC, a regulatory body, and if we have accurate by-the-hour data we can way more effectively leverage demand response to reduce peak usage. All of this requires the AMI work very reliably, which it doesn't. So we have piles of kludges and manual estimation to fix the poor reliability of the mesh. We absolutely did not skimp on costs either, and the only saving grace is we don't need a hundred meter readers on salary any more, which has really helped to ballast the tens of millions of dollars sunk into the system.

>>9759489
Sounds like somebody somewhere saved a buck in their dealings with your company, and a generous portion of the costs are coming straight out the walls of your arteries. Your interesting anecdote may be a good example of how things can go wrong, but is certainly not a convincing indictment of the underlying technology.

>>9756892
This sounds a lot like every sending node has to know the entire network graph to embed the routing information. Please tell me this isn't so, and I didn't buy a coin dependent on a network that will be crippled by linear dependencies on node capabilities.

>>9759881
Here is some info, anon.
https://www.skycoin.net/blog/overview/skywire---skycoin-meshnet-project/#source-routing-route-discovery

>>9756627
>>9756596
all this tech already exists on the hyperborea network utilizing CJDNS protocol.
and no i'm not shilling, this isn't a shitcoin project, just a protocol.
DYOR.

>>9759769
Sounds like you have no idea how a mesh works. The limitations we face are a direct result of the mesh topology. In theory, you have multiple solid paths for routing. In practice, you get some areas where the connection is a strong grid of links, and many areas where the network looks more like a chain. Then you lose a node and everything behind it is down. Even in strong areas you'll find some nodes end up relaying way more traffic than is healthy, then some day they go down and you have a local halving of bandwidth.

Meshes are shit at scale and in difficult geography.

>>9753137
reminds me a bit of https://connectx.com/

but they use satellites in space and the user runs the box that connects with the satellite network.

>>9760318
your nodes aren't paid to forward more traffic. the nodes getting "too much traffic" get paid so they can build up and handle more traffic, thereby getting paid more.

skywire will be learning meshnet. you're dealing with antique meshnets. places where there is insane congestion will be able to upgrade to microwave relay, if they can't access existing fiber.

As an IT guy I find this all interesting, but as someone else pointed out: It's not going to work. Utilization of existing infrastructure is required for mass adoption. Period.

>>9760407
As an other IT guy: Wrong!

>>9760407
Not if the build their own infrastructure like connectX does.
With the satellites and their new data transmission tech they gonna move entire server farms into space.
Shit is going to be cash in the future

>>9760431

How did the internet achieve mass adoption, brainlet?

Oh that's right: PHONE LINES... which virtually every house in America already had. If you think you're going to get a couple hundred million people to stick some electronic shit on their roof that 99 % of them wouldn't even understand you're a fucking retard.

>>9760431
spoken like a true IT a guy

>>9760280
>>9760372
There are many projects working on this and related technologies. The source code is largely open, and projects freely exchange their ideas with one another.

>>9760546
Many different adoption models have worked in the past. One involves making it so companies can go into lucrative business providing installation and remote administration to the consumer hardware devices. The public will literally pay you to be able to house and power the equipment, and use it to some degree.

>>9760546
>. If you think you're going to get a couple hundred million people to stick some electronic shit on their roof that 99 % of them wouldn't even understand you're a fucking retard.
But that's exactly what's going to happen

>>9760781

>One involves making it so companies can go into lucrative business providing installation and remote administration to the consumer hardware devices.

Which in effect would centralize it and defeat the entire fucking purpose.

Jesus Christ can you tards really not see 3 feet in front of your face?

>>9760817

>But that's exactly what's going to happen

News flash, dumbass: Bitcoin is decentralized and has been around for a decade now. Virtually everyone in first world nations have at least heard about it in passing. Guess what? 99.9% of them still aren't using it because:

1) They don't understand it
2) It requires too much effort to utilize.

Nobody is going to use this shit either for the exact same reasons.

>>9760374
Our nodes literally exist to forward traffic. It's a perfectly cooperative system because we own it, and there's literally a node on every single house yet it still only barely works for low bandwidth applications.

But please keep (you)ing me with damage control bullshit.

>>9761022
Who cares about it being centralized for plebs. Normans dont care about that shit. Since you seem to care, then maybe you are motivated enough to build and configure your own rig, set up your own antenna? If your too lazy to do this you don't deserve decentralization.

>>9761095

>let's build a decentralized network
>but centralize it for 99% of the population

derp

>>9761113
The protocol places no barrier in the way of any person wishing to break free of centralization.

Any negative consequence from centralization will motivate more participants to decentralize.

You cannot engineer human nature, brainlet.

>>9761222

>Any negative consequence from centralization will motivate more participants to decentralize.

Because that's totally happening now, right?

>You cannot engineer human nature, brainlet.

Human nature IS CENTRALIZATION you unbelievable moron. Why do you think all the major population centers are CITIES?

Holy shit shut the ever loving fuck up you ignorant cunt.

>>9760407
no shit sherlock, why are you so sure that's not part of the plan? they're trying to replace Comcast, not Level 3

>>9760546
>most people understand satellite TV dishes
>most people understand cable modems
>most people understand telephonic transmission
geee yeah definitely impossible

it's crazy how many neophobes there are here. not the chan culture I remember.

>>9761332
Human nature is not centralization, human nature is apathy and sloth. The protocol has been created to remove barriers to decentralization. Those who are willing to take responsibility for their own shit will enjoy autonomy. Those who aspire to greater riches will attempt to exploit the masses as i have described. But the exploitation is not enforced by the protocol any longer.

>>9761064
"exist to forward traffic"
"paid to forward traffic"
are you paid to exist? you forward YOUR OWN traffic. you are comparing apples to oranges (both "fruit" aka "meshnets") with the refusal to acknowledge the possibility of a distinction. fuck off.

>>9761387

>people understand centralized systems that are completely dumbed down for ease of access

>>9761424
>human nature is apathy and sloth.

But their gonna climb on their roofs and install proprietary equipment because meme reasons, right?

Idiot.

>>9761113
decentralized means "has many centers", not "has nothing remotely capable of being conceived as a center in any way"

I can't believe how so many people in crypto space have created this impossible standard of "decentralization" that defies all logic and then deified it to attack any and all innovation.

sorry, not "decentralized" enough, couldn't possibly be better than what we're already doing. just acknowledge that you've given up already!!

>>9753137
95% of crypto is a scam, really only BTC will be around in 10 years

>>9761472
no, they'll pay someone else to do it because time=money

bunch of fucking utopian retards aren't ya?

"I want to make money off of free effortless decentralization and I WANT IT NOW"

>>9761502

I have no opposition to decentralization. I oppose stupid ideas. This is a stupid idea. And I see no reason for a coin to be necessary to deploy what is basically a giant ad-hoc network. You idiots are being scammed.

>>9761437
I'll put it to you this way, champ.
It costs a lot of money to have installed all this crap and have it not work, so we have radio engineers who analyze key points in the network and install better equipment or reposition things where necessary. This generally makes things more reliable, but not 100% reliable. The data from those meters, on time, is worth a LOT OF MONEY TO US. Do you understand me? The spot market for energy is daily. Missing a day of consumption kills our analytical ability. It's so fucking important that for large consumers like factories and resorts we actually send engineers into the field to get a diagnostic read of the interval data when they can't report. The ONLY solution that has worked at any scale is to install more fiber backbones and reduce mesh sizes.

Do you think Stacey, Chad and Tyrone will give a fuck about a few percent off their $60 internet bill when their mesh node goes down while they're binging Brown is the new White on Cuckflix? No, they'll say fuck it and go back to Kikecast.

>>9761545
the point of the coin tech is effiecent micropayments. skywire exists for the coin, the coin doesn't exist for skywire. skycoin was started 6 years ago, skywire maybe 2 years ago. there are other projects (solar bankers, Samos, mdl) using it for power distribution micropayments, cloud storage, copyright content, etc.

you're a stupid person. it's not a giant ad-hoc network. you don't understand anything so you just assume it's retarded.

>>9761651
>it's not a giant ad-hoc network

Yes, it is. Brainlet.

I love this FUD, Skycoin is going to make me so motherfucking rich.

>>9761593
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for you, sweetie. have fun feeling like the expert at your technician job.

>>9761729
>When you have not argument and literally nothing left to shill with so you post ascii art of your severely misshapen penis.
Skytards absolutely btfo.

>>9761472
>Because of my level of consciousness, i have created a loop of circular logic.
>Entertain me for yet another revolution.

The goal of Skycoin's Skywire application is to achieve adoption of the technology. That goal can be reached by either people like yourself going into business and driving adoption under your exploitative conditions. Or it can be achieved by people who take it upon themselves to compete with your business. Or it can be achieved by people simply setting up equipment by themselves, getting paid by the protocol for running their own equipment.

The equipment is NOT proprietary. There are no Jew barriers in place.

>>9761778
"do you think Stacy, Chad and Tyrone will give a shit about this "internet" when their cable service goes down during a storm while they're trying to look up restaurants or mechanics in their area? No, they'll say "fuck it" and go back to using the yellowpages like normal people"

>>9760546
I don't get it what you guys are on about.
Installing the satellites and specific nodes are for nerds.
Endusers can either just use the VPN services with their phone/computer or connect to the mesh using a WIFI router.

>>9761593
sounds like you should have a look at apollochain.io

http://www.apollochain.io/

>>9761438
No, they don't. They pay Joe the installer (who also doesn't know how they work) to install them so they can get whatever service that provides. They aren't interested on how they work and don't need to either.

The only people required to know how things work are the ones designing and manufacturing it. Division of labor 101.

Pls sir ma familia

>>9761890
lol this is exactly what happened until smart phones and strong cell networks became ubiquitous.

>>9761967
This already exists in the energy supply world, just not with blockchain scams.

PRL already doing mesh and it costs 50 cent

>>9761666

This.

>>9755337
I still can't believe how technically inept people on this board can be. Anon, are you a baby-boomer? Because if you were born after 1970 you should know with even a basic 8th grade education this isn't possible.

>>9753137
>checks coinmarketcap
>it's already mooned

ah, good ol' /biz/

>>9753137
The range of these things are hilariously bad and would only work in very densely populated areas.

>>9760546
When there's a profit incentive, yeah, people are gonna install that.

Cryptocurrency revolutionized network effects and trust now that people have a financial incentive to join and be honest.

>>9760144
Okay I read it all
Turns out they haven't solved most of the problems and still can't justify most of the decisions they've made.
I had high hopes for this because it looked great, but I really should have looked into it deeper before buying back in january
I think I'm gonna sell into this pump while I'm only 5% down.

>>9757959
American. I don't think of Europe at all.

>>9764150
Such prideful ignorance. It'd be funny if it were genuine and not defensive.
The netherlands are infamously flat, being composed mostly of sea marshes, river deltas, coastal plains, and land recovered from the sea itself. The associated hydrological works to keep it all from flooding are one of the seven modern engineering wonders of the world, as deemed by the american society of civil engineers.

>>9763751
That article was posted a year ago but its still pretty informative. The outlook on the tech is pretty positive in my view. There has been alot of progress made on the technical challenges, just look at how well the testnet is going already.

The established ISP dominated paradigm is getting long in the tooth. The industry has been overrun by parasites, and nothing of value is coming out of that sector. This leads to more and more talent choosing to seek alternatives. Just look at all the other projects trying to replicate Skywire.