/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>9741081
If you're in the US, learn Spanish
If you're in Australia, Africa, or anywhere else in East Asia, learn Mandarin
If you're in Europe I suppose you should learn Mandarin, but Russian may not be a bad idea.
If you're in India - quit calling me - I know you're not from Microsoft Technical support!!

>>9741081
ig thotie @1hitomifit

>>9741081
chink girls are my cryptonite. Help me /pol/ so that I may breed with our women and live a normal white family life.

>>9741124
no

>>9741081
Mandarin because I already know Spanish better than you.

>>9741099
To elaborate more, you're looking too short term - a language is a skill that will pay dividends across your life. As the US's Hispanic population grows and Latin American markets get larger (particularly Mexico) there's gonna be a lot of points for starting business relationships with fast growth, especially as China reaches the end of it's industrialization cycle.

Now that advantage of knowing Spanish is less pronounced outside of the US where they still have massive Chinese investment - just like the US - but less direct access to Latin American markets owing to less proximity and smaller Spanish speaking populations (maybe the Philippines is the exception?).

A few curveballs are: learning Arabic (look at the size of the Egyptian population) and Portuguese (they're in the shit now, but I imagine there's a certain advantage in speaking Portuguese and being an Anglophone compared to the more plentiful Anglo-Spanish bilinguists.)

Mandarin, China is the future.

>>9741081
I speak crypto. How much btc is she?

chinks will never be relevant. they lack the creativity to compete with white people. arabs literally have more inventions than asians through out history. asians are incapable of innovating and as a result we will always be one step ahead of them

>>9741081
I will hijack the thread. Should i focus more on learning russian or mandarin?

>>9741175
you could paint your house very quickly with that broad-brush. Also, innovation doesn't matter, especially in a global economy - branding is all that matters. And the West and Japanese exceed all others.

Shiseido? Marantz? Konica-Minolta? That's before we talk about the mainstream successes of Sony, Nismo, Fuji etc.
Can you name any premium Arab brands well known in the West that aren't airlines?

>>9741200
Where are you? What are your specialties or skillset? Where do you see yourself in 10 years?

>>9741081
What is the best way to start learning mandarin? I have no idea how to structure my studying

>>9741147
anon could you expond on this more?

>>9741081
yea learn chinglish

>>9741259
im guessing start with duolingo or some similar program then followed by trips to china or china town

>>9741232
it matters when you're trying to be relevant on the world stage. making different patents of variations of white inventions wont save you chinks. shit half the time you dont even do that. 600b a year in intellectual property theft from china

chinks cant even design a pair of shoes without illegaly glueing a nike logo it

>>9741262
Only a little bit, because obviously this is vague, generic advice that is utterly useless except as a starting point.

Now this is how I see it: how long do you think language will give you a sustained advantage in crypto? well it's going to be at least 6 months (and it will probably take a lot longer) before you gain enough proficiency to start extracting value from reading chinese or spanish discords and whatnot. So that already makes your window smaller, after all we don't know what is going to happen with crypto in a few years, what i can tell you is that the bigger it gets, the more stable it will get, and that lack of volatility but increased volume will make moon missions rarer and rarer (correct me if I'm wrong - but mature markets aren't volitile ones).

So let's say that from 2019-2022 is your window for making use of Spanish or Madno in Crypto, trading right? Then what? Hopefully you'll do enough moon missions that you can retire and never need to work for money again, but what if you don't? What are you going to do?

Well you're either gonna start a business or get a job or become a consultant - this is where it all depend on you - but it seems to me that when you consider that China's economy is slowing down after this great period of industrialization they've had, which is often compared to the Japanese boom before it's "lost decade" (although the consensus seems to be China won't have as much stagnation - DYOR), this 6% year on year growth has to slow down some time. Meanwhile you have places like Mexico and all of Latin America who have young populations, are developing, and will become important markets for the future.

That's where your choice of language comes in.
Does this make sense?

>>9741309
>it matters when you're trying to be relevant on the world stage.
What does that mean 'relevant on the world stage' - relevant economically? Politically? Culturally?

> making different patents of variations of white inventions wont save you chinks.
Firstly I'm a wog. Secondly I just cited 6 extremely wealthy Asian companies, and you've not cited any Arab equvielents - to put it another way: why is innovation any more lucrative. It's easy to steal the best ideas.

Napoleon wasn't the most innovative general, he was just the guy who applied the already established principles of war most effectively.
Apple doesn't innovate or make new products - they go into already tested markets with dumbbed down, well marketed, simple to use versions.
Thomas Edison wasn't even the first guy to invent the lightbulb, but he sure as hell made a lot of money off of that and the inventions of other people which he slapped his name on.

Your innovation argument doesn't hold water: branding is where ongoing value is created. If the Chinese learn how to do that, we're doomed. I don't think they will though. You are right - they will plaster a counterfeit name on to sell their products.

>>9741337
okay but i wasnt just thinking just in crypto. But general economic door opening opportunities. My hypothesis is that the chinese or asians in general are ahead of the curve while the west will inevitably sink into this SJW/PC nonsense and turn into brazil in 20 years(personally i honestly dont see a way forward for the west short of some hyper nationalistic revolution, the edge lords on pol might think they are turning things around but TPTB have way too much vested interest to see their little project collapse)

While rome burns i though to myself ,what skill can i use to leverage for better opportunities, ive been to both latin america and china and while i think the use of spanish in the west will grow. The opportunities in china are greater. Im also seeing the presense of the chinese in latin america

>>9741337
>but it seems to me that when you consider that China's economy is slowing down after this great period of industrialization they've had, which is often compared to the Japanese boom before it's "lost decade" (although the consensus seems to be China won't have as much stagnation - DYOR), this 6% year on year growth has to slow down some time. Meanwhile you have places like Mexico and all of Latin America who have young populations, are developing, and will become important markets for the future.

makes sense, i guess it really depends where you plan to spend the majority of your time,WESTERN or EASTERN hemisphere.

>>9741422
for the obligatory chink pic

>>9741367
yeah until a 3rd technological revolution and then the gooks get left behind again like they did the industrial revolution. theres absolutely no set of circumstances in a world where you can look around the room you're in right now and find not a single piece of technology that was invented by an asian person can this group of people ever be relevant politically, culturally or socially. by the way all of the prosperous asian countries you mentioned bar china are western puppet states

we are at the end of 500 year west east dominance cycle. Chinese were manufacturing gunpowder while our ancestors were hunting and burning witches.

>>9741465
thats literally the chinks only invention

you cant name a single piece of technology in the room you are in right now that wasnt invented by a white man

even the arabs have more contributions to technology than asians throughout history

>>9741465
secondly the west been in power alot longer than 500 years. greece since BC, rome after that. Asians have never controlled the world. They are irrelevant all through out history

the only relevant parties in world history are europeans and middle easterners

me learn brapanese

>>9741081
Chinese will all know English so unless you might move there Spanish

>>9741401
>,WESTERN or EASTERN hemisphere.
Exactly.

Like I said I'm just looking at it in terms of metrics of growing markets, where you are and what skills you're best is the most important factor. An example off the top of my head is if you were in the business of producing rosaries, yes they could be manufactured in China, but your market will be in Latin America.

Another thing is - be different - have a point of differentiation, there's a lot of Americans who will speak Spanish, there's a lot of Chinese who are learning English - how do you make yourself a coveted rarity?

>>9741081
Source?

>>9741437
quality brap upboated

>>9741588
@1hitomifit

your source?

>>9741519
yes it moves west

fertile crescent > greece > rome > britain > usa

china is next

>>9741081
it's obviously chinese..

spanish top kek what are u going to import beans?

White men fear Asians men they are the only true threat to dethrone them. Ever wonder why they emasculate them so hard?
No-one else is close of overthrowing white supremacy... go read white knight forums they'll tell u the same.

>>9741617
asians have yet to even create a 1st world country without first being conquered by the white man and turned to a puppet state. Its not possible, they dont have the right DNA for it

Anon, learning mandarin is a HUGE effort - and doing business with chinese is something i only heard negative things about.

If you are looking into semi-easy languages to learn that will be useful in the future, in my opinion you should look into :

bahasa indonesia/malay - huge population (200mil+), decent, growing economy, tourism factor, great food

swahili - east africa is growing a lot, and nations like tanzania, uganda and kenya are massively improving

french - all time classic. Africas growing population will provide a mass increase of french speakers. also useful in arabic countries like algeria or tunisia

if you dont mind a "harder" language look into russian+ukrainian, farsi or bengali.

>>9741644
I'll take China for 100k

>>9741613
Eastfap

>>9741668
>Eastfap
what? that a website?

>>9741652
this

>>9741682
Yeah

>>9741081
You should learn C++ or Swift, anon

>>9741652
>bahasa indonesia/malay - huge population (200mil+), decent, growing economy, tourism factor, great food
Hi. ;)

>>9741175
>>9741572
>>9741652
always in these threads people comment negative things about chinese and say it is not worth learning

does anyone here have some positive experience with learning and knowing chinese?

>>9742859
bump

>>9742859

I fucked 3 girls in one day from my apartment in China doing nothing but using Momo and speaking broken Chinese.

one had a husband, brought me KFC and loved anal.

there's all the motivation you need.

>>9743229
very nice

Learn Esperanto, big moon coming sir

>>9741652
I spent a year learning that shit. But on one hand, remembering those runes is hell, and on the other unless you practice it often or at least watch shows and shit in chink, you will end up forgetting most of it.

>>9743229
To bounce on this. My gf is a weeb but hates the idea of threesomes. She's not even very bi.
She was totally for it when i brought an asian highschooler back to the hotel, though.

>>9741081

>>9742824
hi

>>9742859
i studied abroad in souther china for 9 months, my major is communication design, so we didnt really have anything to learn over there, since chinese students do have a problem with creativity.. the learning standard was pretty low, but other than that the whole experience was really amazing. beautiful and diverse countryside, old fucking culture and interesting as fuck when chinese people tell you stories about it, the food can bring tears to your eyes, huge cities to with millions of people and empty nothingness in one country, the language is complicated and first (countless dialects, signs instead of letters, etc) but it also is really, really interesting and grammar-wise quite easy to learn (i'm german though..)
this whole experience was so intense that i did my graduation project about this (writing and designing a culture guide ie "china for beginners") and after graduation i started directly studying chinese. i was really good at it, it was very interesting again, you can learn to write pretty quick desu (developing handwriting, feeling of flow, recognizing, etc.), your memory gets better btw. sadly i developed major panic attacks during this time because of life reasons, so i quit after one semester and started working a kick ass job luckily. i regret quitting until today though.
you should do it.

>>9743680
forgot the picture.
>>9743685
which city did you mainly stay in? friend of mine was in Xi'an and really liked it.

>>9743698
zhuhai, in the middle of HK and Guangzhou, where we studied and Guangzhou to live, work and party

>>9741490
>Paper Making 105 A.C.
>Movable Type Printing 960-1279 AD.
>Gunpowder 1000 A.D.
>Compass 1100 A.D.
>Alcohol 2000 BC-1600 BC.
>Mechanical Clock 725 A.D.
>Tea Production 2,737 BC.
>Silk 6,000 years ago.

those are all pretty important.

>>9743839
>>Mechanical Clock 725 A.D.
that story is so beautiful! they invented a mechanical clock and didnt felt they would need it :DDD

>>9743229
This guy gets it. If you're white, tall, fit and know basic Chinese you can slam armies of willing Chinese women.

A Chinese woman sees a good looking white man as a HUGE status symbol.

Its not that you are attractive with your scads of crypto-cash, but when she walks into a social event anywhere in China with you, ALL eyes are upon her. THATS what does it for a woman.

Happy pounding. I know I did in my youth in Shenzhen.

>>9743942
serpentza? it's you right?

>>9743636
This. As always

IMO...

If you don't already have an economic need to learn another language (e.g. moving to that a country that speaks it, working for a foreign comppany), then the return on investment is likely to be zero or very low.

You can always hire native speakers as translators, often for pennies. Serious businesspeole are likely to already speak English. So if you do business with foreign clients you don't need to know their language yourself, you really only need it if you are going to actually live in their country or go balls deep into the industry yourself. And do you really want to live in a Latin-American or Asian hellhole as a second-class citizen for a slight pay raise?

Translation software is getting better by the day, and will one day effectively replace the need to learn foreign langauges. The question is not if but when. Duolingo's endgame is to literally become straight real-time translation apps, offering language-learning now is just a temporary stage (in fact, the users of the app are helping to build the app's translation capabilities, for free).

Finally, I think it's a mistake to assume that the most widely spoken languages will be the most economically valuable. There's a billion *native* Chinese and Spanish speakers and every single app is gunning to be the first to offer Chinese and Spanish real-time translation. The "big" languages will be the first languages for which you don't need to learn them to use them.

If you learn a language then a lesser spoken language might actually be more economically valuable. For one, you won't be competing against a million native speakers for the same job/business opportunity like you will with Spanish/Chinese, rather you will have a niche because you will be the only white guy that speaks that language. If you literally are the supply, then you just have to find the demand. With Spanish/Chinese, supply exceeds demand, or soon will.

>>9743942
>tall
Fuck. I'm fit and white, but only 5.10. I don't have a chance? Never had any problems with western women.

I spent year in HK and visited mainland frequently. Prior to that I had learned Chinese for 2 years back in Finland and honestly when I went to mainland, I could read a lot but my speaking and listening were really bad as I had mostly listened to stuff only in class.

Now I hired a private teacher here in Finland and going to Beijing this september for language course hoping to improve my spoken level.

I think the characters are easy to remember if you don't intend to handwrite them.

With chinese I often have periods of no motivation and periods where I am very motivated to learn.

I think it's worth learning. Maybe Korean too if North Korea opens and the business opportunities with it lol.

And yes, the women in China are really easy if you are white, that's just how it is. But I think this applies to some extent to all of Asia.

>>9744574
>If you learn a language then a lesser spoken language might actually be more economically valuable
like what?

>>9744679
are you planning on working in China or just doing it for fun?

>>9741099
Kitboga has a great Twitch channel where he calls pajeet tech scammers and wastes their time with VPN + voice changer.

>>9744695
Depends on where you are in the world geographically and what is going on in terms of trade.

>>9741081
mandarin guarantees you a job

>>9744695
African languages
Someone needs to defend the negroes in European courts

>>9744695
if you are located in western europe i would unironically advice you to learn arabic/somali/french/farsi.
Arabs, somalis, afghans and african peoples in general are groups with high demands for goverment translators (as an example).

>>9742285
I would focus more on Python.

>tfw China sucks but chinese/asian women are the only ones worth marrying nowadays.

How do you guys deal with this?

>>9741081
Lol the time you spend on the 4chan is enough for you to learn couple of languages perfect.

I don't know why there are still ppl investing time and afford on biz at all. And all the advices are even trolling like “buy high, sell low”. Just stay away from biz and go learn some stuff that is really useful

I’m learning Japanese. One because I’m a web and and two because I’d like to start importing items from my country and selling them in Japan.

Thoughts on learning German?

>>9745663
More than 60 yrs ago it was glories language. Today it is cuck like sweden

>>9744883
>only ones worth marrying nowadays.
Wrong.

get of 4chan NEET faggot

>>9745663
absolutely useless. as >>9745679 said, 100years ago it would have been a solid idea, nowadays it completely lost its edge in science and most of it is conducted in english. the population of germany is unironically getting replaced and most germans are capable of speaking anglo-saxon decent enough to hold up a conversation.

>>9745734
oh sweet summer child

>>9745734
t. wagie ragie with white roastie wife

>>9744595
Jesús christ youre pathetic. I'm the 3 girls guy and only 5.8

They don't give a fuck. My friend there was a literal manlet of 5.4 and banged girls two heads above him
WHITE IS ALL YOU NEED

>>9746640
Yeah, I don't understand the obsession about height at all
Imagine if putin, hitler and stalin would have been as insecure

>>9741131
looks almost exactly like that new sexdoll.
women are basically just fuck dolls, daily reminder.

>>9743942
This is being a Texan in Slavic Countries.

>>9744595
That's above the traditional cut-off, you're just fine.
5'11" is the "new" meme cutoff.

t. 6'2"

>>9741081
1 out of 42,599 chinks look like that
1 out of 8 latinas look like that

Do the math faggot.

>>9741490
Flashdrives

>>9741081
Spanish and Mandarin are meme languages. High class people speak French and German, maybe throw in a little Brazilian Portuguese

>>9741099
*snap*

>>9741081

Learning Mandarin you will want to kill yourself. If it's not career related, I would go with Spanish

t. 2 years of time wasted learning chink

>>9741652
>>9741652

this anon is right desu, but hes also fleecing you from opportunities. Mandarin has the biggest pay off in the future, but it's hard to learn it and most people even anons on here will give up very fast.

I don't believe it's as hard as people say, i got to low level fluency (B2) in 3 years of 2.5 hours study every day (never missed a day), but i may just be gifted with good memory.
If you are willing to actually learn mandarin its a great pay off. most people either learn it extremely inefficiently (classroom teaching is SHIT, or they waste time with flash cards to try remember the hanzi), or the upfront difficulty is way too much for them.
If you're the sorta person who has been working out for years non stop, and got results, that is the kinda attitude and tenacity needed for mandarin. if you are a fail at gym, likely fail at mandarin too (working out and language learning has a lot of correlation in how you progress).

If you want to go down the path, the most efficient ways are actually speaking the language and reading it. push your limits daily. context is fucking everything, and spaced repetition. learning words in isolation is fucking useless, as well as learning how to say them. we don't speak words independently, we speak in sentences. use this knowledge to come up with a plan to learn.
Lastly, on traditional vs simplified: I'd advise learning traditional first. despite common belief and the nationalist opinions Chinese people have, traditional is used outside of china and in global cities such as hongkong, and even Taiwan. if you can read traditional, you can read Cantonese. if you can only read simplified, u cant.
finally, if you suck at tones and can't get them, its your largest hurdle. tones are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. more important than the syllables. People will understand you with the correct tone and an off syllable but never with a wrong tone but correct syllable. don't let anyone understate the importance of them

>>9747425
Meme languages when most of the world speak them lol. French is the gayest language of them all

>>9747676
Any advice how to start? Like what to study first and in which order

>>9747792

sure. just to warn you, with Chinese, all the difficulty hits you on day one. every hurdle is there the second yo start. unlike Spanish, french, or even Japanese, where you can make decent progress and the hurdles come at you over time.

First you must learn Pinyin. this can be done in a day, or you can do it in a week with a few hours a day and general practice. Pinyin is what even young Chinese people use to know how to pronounce any hanzi. Pinyin doesn't correlate with English sounds for the latin letters so you need to learn it.

Next you can take a basic course on spoken Chinese like Pimsleur to get a feel the the language as its spoken and not be distracted by words. grammar basics should be aquired somewhat with it too.

then you can se free apps like Chinese skill on IOS or such to get the basics of written and spoken, which is still casual learning but helps at the start.
From that point you will have extreme basics understood and you can move onto something like Glossika, and then explore your own methods. there will come a time where forcing yourself to speak is very important. if you cant do it irl do it online. also, turn your phone and computer into Chinese. any daily immersion you can get will help.

>>9741367
To add, if you want to get a language which will set you up in economies that are ground zero - learn French and with your English these two languages are enough for most of Africa

>>9741519
None of these came even remotely to ruling the world. You say this from a western pov, but if you're Asian you know about their own "great civilizations" like the hindu, Sion, China

>>9747871
Thanks!
>with Chinese, all the difficulty hits you on day one
yeah, i realized this because I just started today

>>9747425
>Brazilian Portuguese
>high class

Hue hue

>>9744595
Just bee yourself bro

Mandarin is a meme language with a shit ROI with how many hours you have to put in for full fluency.

You're effectively learning 3 different languages: written, spoken, and read. Each has their own rules and styles where knowing how to say a word absolutely doesn't mean you know how to write it and vice versa (if you're doing business, verbally speaking with someone and exchanging emails are equally crucial).

This is the century where Latin Americans will start realizing socialism doesn't work and begin expanding their economies. Spanish has the most speakers in the world and they'll begin building wealth soon. Its also a secondary language in the Southwest and most major US cities.