/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>956503
FACT: Socialists are retards

See how easy that is?

>>956505
Smart businessmen generally support stuff like universal health care because they know it will lower their overhead costs. Real world business isn't like what economics will teach you, it's brutal. Understand marketing and business and you will lose trust in pure theory economics.

>>956515
>Smart businessmen generally support stuff like universal health care because they know it will lower their overhead costs

Yes :D:DDD waiting in line while you bleed out is great!

>>956521
2 words ideologues don't understand: cost efficiency

>>956526
>2 words ideologues don't understand: cost efficiency

Senpai i live in a cuntry with universal healthcare. It is complete shit and takes hours in emergency room, or literally up to a year of waiting for specialist.

>>956538
Where? I can guarantee you medical expenditure on health per citizen is much likely much cheaper than in America but more people on ratio are seeking health care services. The amount private business has to spent on health services for their employees would be less to.

http://www.cfr.org/competitiveness/healthcare-costs-us-competitiveness/p13325
>The United States spent more than 17 percent of its GDP on health care, higher than any other developed nation. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated in 2008 that number would rise to 25 percent by 2025 without changes to federal law (PDF). Employer-funded coverage is the structural mainstay of the U.S. health insurance system. A November 2008 Kaiser Foundation report says access to employer-sponsored health insurance has been on the decline (PDF) among low-income workers, and health premiums for workers have risen 114 percent in the last decade (PDF). Small businesses are less likely than large employers to be able to provide health insurance as a benefit. At 12 percent, health care is the most expensive benefit paid by U.S. employers, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

>Some economists say these ballooning dollar figures place a heavy burden on companies doing business in the United States and can put them at a substantial competitive disadvantage in the international marketplace. For large multinational corporations, footing healthcare costs presents an enormous expense. General Motors, for instance, covers more than 1.1 million employees and former employees, and the company says it spends roughly $5 billion on healthcare expenses annually. GM says healthcare costs add between $1,500 and $2,000 to the sticker price of every automobile it makes. Health benefits for unionized auto workers became a central issue derailing the 2008 congressional push to provide a financial bailout to GM and its ailing Detroit rival, Chrysler.

>>956543

You're saying lower cost per person like it's a good thing. No other nation matches the US in both quality and speed for Healthcare

>>956543
So lower cost will fix the problem of receiving lazy healthcare, not being able to choose and long waiting times?

Seems like it would result in the opposite effect.

Did Ayn Rand actually make that? That has to be a parody..

>>956587
nope its a joke

>>956553
thats simply not true.

>>956503
Oh boy here we go again. Is /pol/ really obsessed with this board that much today?

As someone from Russia after the downfall of communism (inb4 muh real communism meme)
I learned some people are meant for capitalism and some are meant for socialism/communism. The appealing thing about capitalism is that it is really easy to pick up and it is actual freedom, the problem is that it can be a little too free and it gets tied into other things like politics.

Communism doesn't work anyways that's the biggest problem with it.

>>956623
more like communism never works.

>>956695

That's only because it hasn't been tried yet. Have you heard of Anarcho-Communism, friend?