/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>9236989
Nice of them to do the math for you.

it's American for "We don't want to pay our waiters, so you have to."

Does the math for retards

>suggest tips
find a different establishment.

>>9236989
They understand that putting a price on tips increases pressure which will lead to more consumers paying within this range. It's mostly for tourists and niggers.

What the fuck? 18% tip? It use to be 10% fuck that. I ain't tipping anymore.

It’s because of diversity now many “new Americans” can’t do math, so they put the there.

Friendly reminder that only complete poors tip less than 20%

>>9237096
It's inflation, it's suppose to raise to keep up with rising prices on rent, education, food.

>>9237003
this. i always tip 20%, i am not a nigger

I write "get fucked" across suggested tip lines yet tip 20%. Dint tell me how to spend my money.

>>9237004
>he never worked a tipped job

Unless the waitress shows me her feet she's not getting more than 0% tip

heres a tip, find a better job

>>9236989
I've never tipped anything less than 35% in my entire life
if you have to rely on tips then you obviously need it more than me

>>9237139
you're enabling these people to be entitled you dumb fuck. Why would you ever tip more than 15%?

>tipping
>ever
Top lel, stay cucked amerifags

>>9237004
lol, this

If you can afford to eat out in Burgerland, you can afford to tip 20% in a decent establishment, unless you want to take a deduction for egregiously poor service.
Otherwise you're a nigger.

>>9237175
Yeah keep tipping low and then wonder why your waiter quits and now shanequa or Juanita is taking your order.

Lot of salty waiters in here trying to get my to tip 20% nice try wagefags.

>loses 20% of his income on tips
kek, Americans are the most pathetic specimens on earth

>>9237154
But this is the land of the free, why do they still have jobs that require tipping like it's the 50s?

>>9237004
waiters get paid exactly what they deserve, next to nothing. it's not a fucken skill in demand you pleb. what shit hole are you from? Australia?

>>9237175
>other people are entitled if they want to be compensated for their labor
>i am entitled to sit down at a restaurant and then not tip
simp logic. stay at home and eat your frozen pizza poorfag

tip 10% and round down

Being a waitress is shitty job enough, I don't need to be a miser/german and not to tip. 20% is easy do math in your head.

>>9237250
Gives 60% of his earnings to import North Africans and Somalis.

>>9237300
t. Someone who has never had bad service, aka someone who only eats the hot pockets his mom makes him.

>going outside to eat.

I wish i had that luxury. I am pretty much living on oats, ramen and juice.

>>9236989
it’s fucking insane
even at panera bread they ask for tips when you’re paying

>>9237126
Dude, do you even math? Inflation makes the food more expensive and with the tip being a relative amount of the food it will also rise.

it's pretty sad seeing how brainwashed you burgers are by your boomer overlords. Why haven't you risen up and shot them all with ar-15s yet?
>paying a tip, means you're not poor
the absolute fucking state of the land of the free.

I fucking hate the concept of tipping. It's such a needless social friction. Nobody would tip if there were no social consequences.

Counter service– I rarely tip anything besides some change

Table service– I tip around 20% unless the service is bad in which case 10%

>>9237461
>Why haven't you risen up and shot them all with >ar-15s yet?

We're working on it

>>9237219
>15%
>low
nice bait

>>9236989
I always tip -100% and write "thanks for the free meal"

>>9237124
Friendly reminder that only complete poors tip period.
Family is pretty rich, think tens of millions. Dad never tips, except occasionally when he wants the staff to actually so something special for him.

>>9238079
Your dad is a piece of shit

>>9237975
Yeah, I don't understand this new pressure for counter tipping. Where do we draw the line? I'm expected to tip now for ordering a sandwich at the deli? Do you counter tippers tip drive thru's too? WE HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE!!!

>>9238100
Yea definitely but this is business and finance, not faggot commie finance. Why would I give mouth breathing meth heads more money than needed?
Pro tip, tip yuge as you enter and point at a reserved table, it's fun.

Stop taking shit jobs. Create scarcity in food service employment. Wages will increase. Pretty simple.

>>9238134
It's not communistic, at all. It's meritorious. Turns out you're a piece of shit too, big surprise.

>>9236989
If you tip when you get food togo just because the receipt has a tip line then you are just a cuck and have nothing to brag about.

>>9238048

>>9238048

>>9238155
what exactly do 99% of waiters do to deserve to be paid extra?

>>9238255
They brought me my cholesterol for my future heart attack

>>9238255
They get paid far under minimum wage because the restaurants are allowed to assume they earn a certain amount in tips.

They don't deserve "extra", your tip is necessary for them to meet that "expected minimum".

HOWEVER.

It's fucking wrong that the restaurants fuck us by passing the cost of employment to the customer and the servers by paying them $2.30/hr. The only solution is to stop tipping until serving becomes completely non-viable as even a part-time high school job. Either restaurants automate their food-slaves or they pay them more to retain the human capital.

>>9238155
No my father does it in an attempt to look alpha, I do it as a conscientious objector. If you keep paying tips, the minimum wage will be forever what they are paid. If you stop, business owners will be forced to pay their employees something they can actually fucking live off.
>inb4 heaps of business will close, destroying jobs
>this, despite the rest of the world managing lmao

>>9236989

It’s a contingency for niggers and autists eating at your restaurant

>>9238255
There is a social standard in the US and laws that support the current system– servers make less than they would otherwise because of the tipping standard. This incentivizes them to provide you with good service and makes them advocates for you should the kitchen fuck something up. If you don't agree to this system that's fine, I just ask that you inform this server of this as soon as you sit down.

>>9238302

This nigger autist, right here

>>9238155
Really upset about it aren’t you

>>9238302
If the non-tippers were to organize publicly so that this sort of thing could happen simultaneously in order to effect real change I'd probably join you. Until then, you're bucking a social convention for petty gains.

>>9238300
they don't actually get paid less than minimum wage, because employers are required to make up the difference up to the minimum wage if tips don't cover it. so you're literally subsidizing the restaurant owner's payroll

>>9236989
I never tip. It's not my fault they're too lazy to get a real job. The exception is bikini coffee houses. I'll give a buck if they flash gash.

>>9238338
I'm actually really high and don't care at all if people disagree with me. It's not like I "love tipping". I will say that the one summer I waited tables that the only people who didn't tip me were niggers.

>>9238319
there is a (((social standard))) indeed

>>9237408
it was a joke :)

>>9238079

on the off chance this isn't a troll, you realize he can never go to the same restaurant twice without ingesting spit and feces?

The real bullshit is bartenders that expect a dollar per drink even if they're just cracking open a can for you.

americans will defend these low wages

>>9236989
OP tip 20%, it's the weed number.

>>9238300
>our tip is necessary for them to meet that "expected minimum".
It's not, actually. If tips don't make up the difference, then the employer is legally required to.

Start of night:
"Hello, I just wanted to say that I won't be tipping you tonight."

Middle of night:
"I think the kitchen overcooked my steak."
*crickets*

Why would you tip? Never feed the wildlife faggots. Next thing you know their begging for a "living wage". In fact, the only way is to make sure you spread some food on the bottom of the table so it gives them something to actually earn their money by cleaning it up.

*Is aware of a social convention*
*Does not intend to abide by it and doesn't inform the other party at the outset*
*Complains about (((their))) social convention*
*Is actually embodying the negative jew stereotype 100%*

>>9236989
>tips are a percentage amount rather than a fixed amount
I don't give a fuck where I am.
If I receive table service, I tip a dollar and the change from the bill.
If it's nice service I tip 2 dollars and the change.
Doesn't matter if I get a 5 dollar burger or a 30 dollar steak.

>>9238495

Next night:
"Fuck that restaurant I won't go near it ever again"

>>9238537
Next month:
"Fuck I can't go to any of the restaurants in town again."

>tfw I literally made over 100k bartending last year
I also have zero debt

>>9238591
"Disgusting, all bartenders should make the same measly wage."– People in this thread

>>9237126
Percentages nigger. This place is just a shitpit.

>>9238079
Your dad is a fucking pussy.

>>9238302
What actually happens is that good (white) employees will quit, and then you are stuck with shanequa or juanita to serve your food and mess up your order.

>>9236989
i used to work at a restaurant in a wealthy "urban village" in a large city on the east coast. politicians, celebrities, fortune 500 ceos, doctors, lawyers, and executives were the norm during peak hours on a friday or saturday

working in a place like that for enough time, you got good at reading people. you could tell who was going to be a shitty customer before they walked in the door.

the wealthy usually tipped generously if you gave them the service they were expecting. if you were good, they would come to request you every time. they most certainly did not skim on tips like some of the anons in here claim as it would be an embarrassment for them to do that when surrounded by their peers. corporate whites usually tipped 10-25%. jews tipped fairly. blacks were a wildcard. if they were trying to show off, they tipped really nice. not many hispanics in the area.

the ones who did not tip
>hood niggers
>groups of women with tipping calculators >europeans playing dumb
>pajeets.. especially pajeets (and pakis)

the more they run you around and ask you absurd requests, the shittier they will tip.

in all fairness, euro customers were usually nice. they typically did not tip, but they didn't ask for much either.

i quit that job 4 years ago. i had a brief stint at a country club where i got a real hourly wage + tips but eventually got sick of running around for drunk boomers

restaurant life is a roller coaster. you can make a lot of money, make a lot of connections, fuck college waitresses on the side, but it is stressful as fuck and somewhat grimy, shallow, and toxic.. especially back of house. im glad i got the hell out when i did. working with the public gets very tiresome.

to the anons in this thread who aren't larping and actually fuck over waitstaff, they will remember you. they know every corner of that place. they see it you will be loathed. i never tampered with food myself, but.. you're not doing yourself any favors

>>9238513
We've been "feeding the wildlife" in this country since the 1950's and that is why Western civilization is collapsing. If you don't want the brownies to complain, stop giving them free shit and telling them they're special.

I feel like servers are entitled as fuck, they make hell of a lot more than minimum wage and get tipped for providing no skills whatsoever.

I'd also like to add that eating out at a restaurant is a social event for families, friends, couples, business functions. These are not places frequented by autistic NEETs, so I'm guessing that the people who aren't LARPing in this thread think they are cunning and edgy for going into a restaurant alone and then fucking over the old lady who waits at Denny's, IHOP, or Olive Garden. Is it any wonder?

>>9236989
Because people can’t do math.

>>9238255

Well depends on how upscale the establishment is, but a waiter needs proper time managment skills in order to anticipate needs in proper order of the 5 or 6 tables they are tending too, excellent social skills to naturally engage with customers as welcomed friend(boomers like when you talk to them, but not too much) extensive knowledge of the menu and alcohol, decent memory under stress, thick skin for the guests who will be difficult because they its practically their right sadly, multi-tasking in general, and doing everything with 100% accuracy the first time around because fixing mistakes kills you during a rush, using proper and specific language, being attractive or well kempt or at least appealing to the all the senses as much as possible. Its definitely an art and the pay varies tons between people even at the same business. Trust me you will know the difference once you have an excellent server. Those people literally make customers come back sometimes regardless of the quality of the product that is being sold.

>spend 30 seconds writing orders on a pad and bringing it to the kitchen
>spend 30 seconds bringing plates from the kitchen
>somehow feels entitled to money
This is why I never go to restaurants. I get better service from fast food joints.

>>9236989
Tip well if the waiter does an overly good job. Tip enough if it's a place you frequent or may frequent. Never act like you're hot shit or fuck around with waiters, they will do all sorts of fucked up shit to your food.

>>9237319
20% is crazy if you're eating at a nice place. Lets say I go out to a place and the bill comes up to $200 for a couple hours of eating and drinking with my girl. We're not paying $40 because that would mean I'm paying $20 an hour ON TOP of their base pay... and I'm not their only patron, which means they're making at least $60 an hour on tips alone. Is their work worth $60 an hour? No, because people with educations fight over jobs that pay 20 an hour. Do the 5-10% on expensive meals and 15% on cheap ones and go.

>>9238367
this is the only argument against tipping, but they'd pass on the difference through the price of the food anyways. Most restaurants operate on thin margins unless they're selling out all tables every night.

>people still eat out
plebs, all of you

I was paid like 3$ an hour, (just enough for the government to take it all)

wildcard as fuck

some nights walk home with only 5$ and the meal I got for half price after work covered. Some nights with like 90$ from like 8 tables. 18-19 at the time (21atm) couldn't afford to pay my lights, power gets shut off, already walking to work since my motorcycle broke. (2miles lucky I know)

I ended up having to quit because of reasons I don't feel comfortable saying here. But it was paradise in a way and I don't think I would trade a single second of it. I can't wait until I make it so I can overtip a bit and literally make someones day. The mask you put on starts to hurt after a while for sure.

>>9238079
kek nice jew family
gas yourselves

>>9240458
nice larp faggot, but see
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States#Legislation
>Employers may pay tipped labor a minimum of $2.13 per hour, as long as the hour wage plus tip income equals at least the minimum wage.

>>9237139
I usually tip 20% but I feel I'm being nice doing that. it's ballsy of them to expect that of you and downright tell you anything under 18% is bad. 15% is the standard social custom, and it's a fucking tip for good service, not something they should be putting on the bill. If I saw that I would deliberately undertip and never go there again.

>>9240458
also nobody that's actually american puts a dollar sign after the amount, so fuck off back to your designated shitting street pajeet

>>9240572

>implying my Greek Albanian boss in my town of five thousand in Texas cared about the fucking rules. I was lucky to have a job. My last one as a dishwasher made me depressed.

>>9240592
Habit from gradeschool where no one corrected me.

Good to see that's you're as lame as I thought you were though.

>>9240616
fuck, quoted too long, w/e

>>9238116
Calm down mr. pink, stop being cheap and just tip your damn counter worker shesh.

>>9240616
>working for less than minimum wage for an illegal employer in texas that doesn't follow tax or labor law
you have to go back

>>9239103
yet somehow you think the restaurant owner should be entitled to %2000 price hike from the ingredient list just because he hired some minimum pay wage slaves to cock and deliver your meal.

>>9240572
actually let me give you a very actual and not uncommon example

>sunday night
>everyone only eats out after church mostly
>5 waitstaff on duty
>we each get table rotations because fairness
>we only get 3 tables each
>you get unlucky and get a one top and he tips 3 dollars because he's tipping 10%
Whiles he's right, and tipping is optional. I get fucked on this because I had the potential to at least get a 2 top that would tip 5 dollars. Meanwhile someone could get a kids baseball team or something as one of their 3 and make 20-50

>>9240686
They don't put illegals on waitstaff where I'm from. A few of the kitchen guys were from like guatamala or someshit but I'm white and my family has generations here.

From what I've seen and heard lately the Greek Albainian guy has like 7 restaurants now. He showed me 20m usd in his account and a few in foreign accounts when he only had two.

You act like I had much power to just say to my boss "gib me my monies you owe me now" and somehow have it not come off in a bad way. Remember I was young and actually needed a semi flexable job to take classes at a community college. Like what am I going to do? report him somewhere?

>>9240790
I literally never said that. I knew what I was accepting why would I complain about the job after I had it. Who does that help? my only viable option was to grind through it until I had an opportunity to dig myself out.

Option A: Pay your staff more and pass the cost on to the consumer.

Option B: Perpetuate a confusing contrived social obligation which ultimately has no bearing on the cost of food.

Nice work, burgerland.

>>9240666
i see ur reservoir dogs reference ya silly goose.

hail satan

>>9236989
We dont have a tipping culture in australia. Only really upscale places here will even have an option to tip.

I always tip when I am on holidays overseas, as I dont want to give our country a bad name so tip 30%

>>9239004
this

>>9240955
but the aussies have a terrible reputation abroad anyway second only to the brits

>>9240869
Option C: Pay your staff a living wage and don't pass the cost on to the consumer. your customers are happy they don't have to tip and aren't footing the bill, and your workers are happy for having a living wage so their productivity and service goes up. Word of mouth gets around you are the best restaurant in town, people come for the new amazing service and you end up making your money back plus some.

>>9239004

Yeah, man. Fuck restaurants. I'll just go get a good sandwich or something and skip all the bullshit formalities.