/biz/ - Business & Finance

Short SPY?

>>9210139
Wish I had time to make a shitty photoshop of the fed in the mortar pit

Like i said last night BEARS BTFO

FED DONT FAIL ME NOW

Keep an eye on $IFON lads

HERE WE GO.....

I dont evne know what the market wants to hear

BUT EVERYTHING IS GOING UP

BUY
BUY
BUY

I DONT KNOW WHAT ANY OF THIS MEANS

RATES UNCHANGED

$$$ CHEAP MONEY $$$

BUY NIGGERS BUY

I've spent more time on ST fudding SNAP than I have spent on here, i'm ashamed of myself.

ABIL

>>9210286
STOP CHASING LOW FLOAT RUNNERS

YOURE GONNA GET YOUR ASS BURNED

JUST BUY TWTR

Okay what the fuck on my TD ameritrade watch lists its now showing invalid symbols for things like google Facebook intel and other stuff

>>9210286

Which one are they going to pump next?

Let's get in early

>>9210286
i cant the fomo is real

I need a cash account so i dont trade to much

>banks are dumping

BASED FEDERAL RESERVE

>>9210322
lemme tell you what. you can definitely overtrade in a cash account. i just fucking did

No rate hike was already priced in though.... They are still going up as planned in June. It was basically a nothingburger. The big shit will be trade in China.

>>9210383
>Praising the fed for blatantly manipulating the economy for the past 104 years

Good goy.

OH GOD WE'RE DUMPING

>>9210435
you mean the century where the American economy became the dominant force in the world?
yeah we praising them

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>9210435
>buying and selling equities
>manipulating the economy
lad ...

Anyone here shorting Sprint before earnings? Seems like a sure bet.

>>9210435
yeah let me take a look at the past 104 years

oh right it's America becoming the sole global hyperpower and the richest country in the world's entire history

I am wanting to short FIT, but I feel that a bad ER is already expected, and the google news may be enough to keep it stable

>>9210461
>>9210508
US was already #1 before WW1. Only reason it's so far ahead is because every European country got bombed to shit in WW2.

American economical growth is also disproportional, mostly benefiting """them""" since 1980.

>>9210483
>implying changing interest rates have no effect on the economy whatsoever

>>9210483
Hes not wrong about the Fed, this last resession never even had a chance to play out thanks to funny money printing and rate decreases. Now we're in a corner with one of the largest bubbles.

>>9210509
wish me luck!

"what about the fed?"
"Feds dead baby"

>>9210513
>>9210526
>loaning out money at a rate decided by yourself
>manipulating the economy
lad ...

>>9210509
The google thing isn't even a sure bet, they are going to "brainstorm" ideas, that is literally it. Google doesn't want anything to do with FIT in any real capacity.

>>9210509
Decent bet, FITshit could be delisted in 3 years, or end up being a boring company in a 50 cent channel forever, can't really see a new fitness appliance craze ever again.

>>9210513
>"oh actually never mind that 104 years thing, the first 70 of them were super great"

and man if you haven't made money since 1980, it's on you, don't get your stink of failure on me

>>9210562
Especially because Apple can do anything they can do but better. The only people propping this company up are the obsessed fanboys.

kek!

Someone needs to help me not buy SPOT puts to what seems to be the most obvious pump and dump in a large stock in years.

>5B in revenue
>up 35 bucks in a month
>valued = or > Facebook
>Already predicted to operate at a loss
>constantly going to be at battle with record labels and artists
>Apple Music is catching up on its shit

Either that or its going to be an obnoxious Tesla like stock that goes up no matter what and we see SPOT hit 250 next year.

>>9210603
honestly it might be kind of oversold right now, since that post-earnings crash anyway

but I'm not sticking my dick in that blender

>rates go up
>HURR banks cant loan as much now because of reduced borrow demand!

>rates go down
>HURR banks cant make as much profit from their loans now

banks cant fucking win

>>9210615
earnings report today, here's your chance to #yolo

>>9210626
The only way I see snapchat working out is if somebody buys them out. The management for SNAP are complete fucking idiots.

Do you guys think shorting USD again is a good idea ?
Seems like the USD bullrun was the classical "buy the rumours sell the FED shitpost" meme

>>9210671
yes

buy the yen

FIT starting to plunge toward power hour, a good sign for shorts.

>>9210679
MIND BLOWN
I
N
D

B
L
O
W
N

That is the pair I am looking at. Any fundamental on that ? (apart from the obvious inflation thesis)

>he fell for the bear market meme

>>9210701
not really

peace in korea i guess?

>>9210615
I can't afford these puts

>>9210746
I agree on the USD weakness
But I think I will wait a longer-term trend confirmation

>>9210764
Yeah me neither, at least not willing to take the risk. Buying a year put on SPOT is fucking free money.

>>9210615
it's unironically the music version of Netflix

since Apple Music was released, Spotify has gained more users than Apple has

I'm not buying it now because this earnings season has been super fucky but if it beats and crashes I'm getting in after

>>9210834
This earnings season seems like as soon as earnings are announced, regardless of the numbers, the stock plummets.

>>9210852
don't worry, that's gonna stop now that I started buying puts

>>9210861
Normally I would expect the bog treatment, but there are too many shit earnings coming up. Sprint and Fitbit being prime examples.

Is TAP a buy at this dip?

Also, long oil, 20 year bond inverse, and dollar.

I CAN'T PANIC SELL MY SNAP CALLS BECAUSE OF PDT
FUCK YOU FEDS

>>9210878
>Also, long oil, 20 year bond inverse, and dollar.
>dollar
You think this USD selloff is fake ?

>>9210615
>valued = or > Facebook

Stock price =/= company value, dipshit. If that was the case, Priceline.com (BKNG) would be more valuable than Amazon or Google. Does that sound right to you? It shouldn't.

Market cap (Share Price x # of total shares) is the true valuation of a company on the market. Read up more.

lets not rule out IMTE just yet

shorts may be squeezed

>>9210895
After you lose all your money on SNAP calls you should buy calls on DWT to follow your crazy options collapse. But seriously Comfy, this isn't the way to comped sushi...

>>9210937
>Average price paid $23.79
Dear god!

>>9210905
>>9210905
>>9210905
I think if interest rates are bound to go up and up, the dollar will get stronger and stronger.

>>9210872
If my Fitbit puts pay out, I'm gonna take every penny and use them to buy GoPro puts

>>9211043
what happens when the gopro puts pay out?

FUCK THIS WHOLE BOG MARKET

>>9211037
kek

robinhood reddit about to get wojaks out

>>9211043
Things are looking good so far
>>9211069
He can contemplate that with a long ride in his lambo.

>>9211037
>this cant be real
>pic related
holy fuck dude lol

>>9211131
WHEEEEEE!

Wew lads what a ride today, Uso 14.5 call for July 20 Auy call for 2.5 in Oct. And meme stocks doing good. Comfy a.f.

>>9211183
Are RH users actually this retarded? I say this as a RH user myself. This is staggering stupidity on a mass scale.

>>9211183
>NINETY PERCENT OF TRADERS LOSE MONEY ON THE MARKET
>Ninety percent of people are retarded

>>9210139
Are there any stock market discords?

>>9211208
dont pretend you didnt want to chase it

>>9211208

RH users are stupid as fuck yes

the majority of them are like those seagulls from finding nemo

>>9211208
Yes peasanthood traders are this retarded, me included

>>9211225
To me it sounds like if 90% of traders would just take 5 seconds to review the 52 week high/low and that the market cap is above mexico-tier, they wouldnt be so shitty at making money.

TFW you miss out on something like imte again, why cant i ever hold something like that.

>>9211265
That is the wrong question to ask. You should be asking "Why did no one hold this in the first place?"

Convince me NOT to buy $JNJ calls since they've hit a support price

>>9211282
>hit a support price
>support
supported by what? your hopes and dreams?
>TFW you realize you might be in the 10% and its just common fucking sense the whole way there

>That Fed bait
The market is done just let it go

>>9210139
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_(bear)
?

>>9211277
It makes me feel stupid to think about it. I know its irrational. But still, it was just sitting there and we could have made a ton of money.

>>9210945
I just want to be like Eric :(

>>9211305
More like within the past 3 months it refused to drop any further past this price point

>>9211378
>It refused
Assigning human traits to market implements is a fast path to the soup kitchen. Quantify your assertions using facts, not emotions.

>>9211183
You underestimate how stupid and smug RH plebbitors are
>>9211376
We all do desu

>>9211392
We try to quantify trends using algorithms, but the human interpretation of trends is also valid. I don't see why you can look at the peaks and troughs and tell me there's no reversal trend there. I'm doubting it'll drop any further bar an economic crash or scandal

>>9211069
I'm gonna buy some nice liquor

and maybe DEO stock while I'm at it

IMTE slowly creeping on up

>>9211414
>tfw your brother will never give you millions of dollars before getting a high score
Why even live?

>>9211414
Apparently so. I have too much faith in other people. RH and plebbit exclusive from each other seem ok, but something really bad happens when you combine the user bases. It's probably due to the fact that reddit is overrun with lefties and other societal generates who feel entitled to various outcomes, so they assume that stock market wins will just be handed to them. The extreme competitive nature and automagic arbitrage feature of our markets is likely beyond their comprehension or even awareness.

>robinhood """investors""" snapchat purchases

>>9211447
I am 100% on board with human interpretation of quantified data, but when you look at a 5 day chart and go "yep that shape right there means this is about to happen", you have absolutely no basis in reality.

>>9210712
Whoops

>>9211459
good God man you didn't buy it did you?

>>9211524
I'm becoming more and more convinced that Robinhood was a mistake.

Elitism is a real and natural

>>9211208
>>9211485
>>>/r/iamverysmart

>>9211541
Robinhood's existence and popularity indicates that we are in a securities bubble

but what the fuck else am I gonna do, pump and dump Bitcoin Candy or whatever the kids these days are doing?

>>9211541
>TFW you are considering establishing a monoshare meme position in IMTE just to keep an eye on the fallout.

>>9210139

>>9211560
DELET THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>9211567
spoiler alert: SEC halt, everyone loses

played that one already with LFIN

>>9211560
Hey guys! I found one of em! Can we do an AMA? I'll start

>I am curious how it feels to get absolutely BTFO by a financial market and to not understand why. Can you explain your emotional state and how it has been afflicted by recent trades?

>>9211541
For me, it was

I'm down 30% on RH and up 40% on crypto

My losses on RH JUSTed me overall

>>9211580
Fucking use the spoiler tag next time

>>9211541
no PH seems flat Ill wait till tomorrow to see whats hot

low floats are on fire for sure

>>9211541
>I'm becoming more and more convinced that Robinhood was a mistake.
Taking other idiots money is never a mistake.

alright lads SQ has earnings after hours today buy or die?

>>9211637
short it!

>>9211571
y tho? here is your (you)

>>9211631
fair point. Anyway to check the most bought on Robinhood so we can profit off dumbs?

>>9211637
odds short
even long

>>9211637
V and MA both beat, so maybe?

>>9211637
I've been considering opening a position in SQ. They have excellent market penetration and their solutions are very well executed. That said, I just play long-term buy+hold growth/value games, so my opinion may not be useful.

my Fitbit puts are up 44% and they haven't even released earnings yet. should I just take profit now?

>>9211673
Their API is very liberal in terms of how much shit you can extract in an automated fashion. I've actually been working on a solution to capture stuff exactly like this (# of RH bag holders, average RH bag price, etc) and using those numbers to drive an inverse strategy (as RH users will do the most incorrect thing possible at all times).

>>9211683
the drop in the last hour has be worried to buy in

Pic related shows my rise and failure.
Rise is UVXY
Fall is QD
The Bogs are cruel masters

>>9211752
Nothing wrong with taking profits, i'm keeping iron hands for earnings though.

>>9211683
The entire payments industry is doing well at the moment, so I think you should see similar outcome across the board.

At what point is Micron a buy? people around here were calling 54 a great buy in price.

>>9211797
Do the opposite of what this tripfag-infested shithole says. You will be a richer man.

>>9211797
you'd be better off taking a spin at the Dabo table friend

>>9211797
Micron is never a good buy if you are playing long. Samsung has so hilariously outstripped the economic viability of other memory fabricators with their new megalithic fabs over in asia.
>https://www.anandtech.com/show/12498/samsung-preps-to-build-another-multibillion-dollar-memory-fab-near-pyeongtaek

Just one of those fuckers at full ramp can wafer start micron's entire manufacturing capacity. Now consider that samsung has a fuckload more fabs where that came from.

>>9211815
>Do the opposite of what this tripfag-infested shithole says. You will be a richer man.
Buy SNAP
Buy IMTE (now)
Short BGFV
The opposite doesn't sound so good anon.

>>9211815
Hes says while posting on the exact same pakistani orb carving usenet interface.

The Green Organic Dutchman (TGOD) debuted on the TSX this morning. Keeping a very close eye on this company in coming weeks. Volatility all over the place on day 1 trading (it went 3.60 to 4.25 now down to 3.95 and twitchy). Lots of hype with this company and i expect it will perform very well relative to the other big LPs in the spring/summer legalization bull run.

Other earnings I'm Looking into:
SFM (pre-market tomorrow)
APRN (pre-market tomorrow)
MRO (after hours)

>>9211864
which ones are you shorting?

>>9211815
yeah stfu

>>9211797
About treefiddy.

>>9211870
Possibly APRN still not sure though

>>9211753
how can I access their API? I'm very interested in doing what you are describing.

>>9211878
this also. I love the trip fags, they are like friends that I never had.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I want to buy Lionsgate but it keeps dropping

>>9211864
Im currently hold MRO

>>9211889
Open up chrome dev tools or whatever autismal http stack sniffer you prefer and just watch the JSON API magic as you F5 robinhood.com. Its a very simple and straightforward REST API and a lot of fundamentals endpoints do not require authentication. Here ill give you a starting point:

>https://api.robinhood.com/fundamentals/AMD/
>https://api.robinhood.com/quotes/historicals/AMD/?symbol=BBVA&bounds=regular&span=year&interval=day

>>9211840
Tfw NK is buddying up to sabotage the SK tech industry from the inside.

>>9211797
Wait til after they buy out $NLST

>>9211894
:)

>>9211932
thanks based-tech anon

also I hope you anons complaining about your bank puts held strong

FIT is red, here we go goys.

>buying 33% in SQ
>buying 17% in MRO
wish me luck m8s

>>9210679
>>9210746
>>9211042
dat fucking USDJPY gap up

why did IMTE skyrocket

>>9212024
you might as well just take all your money to the casino.

who here /nervous for spot/

>>9212039
pump & dump.. only 2.5M float

Wanted to get in some puts for APRN but it looks like i'm not going to get anyone to sell them to me in time.

>>9212031
whoops

HERE WE GO LADS
EARNINGS TIME

literally no reason for this insane selloff

this is retarded

tomorrow we will gap up at open easy

>>9212076
I did nothing
I always wait for a long-term trend confirmation

closed up 2% on USO today

feels comfy man

>>9212097
up 5.5% after AAPL and CRC stock jumps

>>9212039

low float pump

>>9211852

Also CRON got hammered over the last two days and is due for a bounce.

Jesus, even ST's FIT page is fairly pessimistic, that is shocking.

>>9211894
:)))))))))))))))))) <3<3<3

who /BTE/ here? earnings tomorrow, iran sanctions at 12th, trans mountain pipeline end of month(?)

its going to 15

SQ fell off a cliff...

Ah shit FIT beat earnings.

>>9212241
been telling them for 2 weeks. choo choo oil over 50

>>9212248
Called it
>>9211675

>>9212180
LONG FIT SIGNAL

>>9212254
When your estimate is already in the shitter its hard to not beat.

S easy scalp tomorrow maybe

http://pdf.reuters.com/htmlnews/htmlnews.asp?i=43059c3bf0e37541&u=urn:newsml:reuters.com:20180502:nPn3Jrr68a

TSLA cannot make up ita mind, holy shit this chart, lol

>>9212281
kek no kidding
>>9212282
Wouldn't be surprised if this pops to $6.50 after this, although as soon as james park opens his mouth it will probably plummet.

>>9211840

It's just a matter of timing now. Good luck trying to time when "peak memory" supply rolls around.

>>9212305
Sorry forgot pic

I called this SQ release and price drop. Note the slipping margins here, taken from their shareholder letter.

>>9196638

>>9212254
it's gonna crash anyway, like half the earnings have the past couple weeks

SPOT absolutely blasted
Thank god I move my strikes to 145/150 instead of making an iron fly at 170.

This is why women shouldn't be able to trade. She also completely missed my point and tried to make me look like the retard.

>>9211894

>>9212384
Kek

>>9212395
Love ya baggie, take it easy on the uppers this week.

>>9212299
I just opened a position today

>>9212299
Shit looks like i'm going to get burned on my puts, at least they were dirt cheap.

>>9212365
Oh no I might be fucked now

Heading over to SPOT ST page to trigger some hipsters who got burned.

TSLA literally just saved the stock market

>>9212516
They missed earnings though.

>>9212505
Buy spot at IPO, never ever make money again. The absolute state of this tech market

>>9212544
doesn't matter, Enron Musk wins anyway

>>9212516
TSLA isnt even at its intraday high, what are you smoking. They lost more money this quarter than the equivalent quarter last year.

>>9212573
I am also confused, anon. TSLA doing nothing but running around putting fires out at the moment.

this shit is rigged

>>9212567
good point, Elon is jesus to the basedboy community.

>>9212591
>s
Market is confused right now

>>9212591
wait a minute, basedboy basedboy basedboy basedboy

>>9212608
KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK

>>9212608
seriously 4chan.....

I love onions sauce with my rice

>>9212608
gotta stock up on basedbean futures desu

>>9212706
ticker is S O Y B, that's SOYB

(don't actually buy this)

>>9212341
no one on /smg/ is going to praise my tremendous predictive power and business acumen? god, I guess its time to start tripfaging, you retards seem to appreciate them

>>9212729
That also means we can just filter you

>>9212729
ya done good; I was gonna go long on SQ and got saved only because all my money was tied up in Fitbit puts and WWE stock and oil calls

Tell me it's going to be ok /smg/

>>9212800
I'll let you know tomorrow, I shorted S and FIT today, pretty sure I done goofed on S, FIT is still up in the air quite honestly.

>>9212751
>filtering anything on this board
What is the point? This is one of the the last bastions of free thought. You would be better off in a reddit safe space.

>>9212800
You gonna be ok m8
Long UVXY

>>9212800
Checked
I bought calls on snap today. There's a 90% chance things are not going to be alright.

>>9212800
we're all gonna make it

>>9210139
wtf is national id

>>9212821
I would never filter anyone, not even coinfags. I was just pretending to be retarded.

>>9212841
I told you about the music streaming services bro. the labels own spotify's profits. if spotify becomes profitable, labels will just up their prices for the content

add that to how high spotify is valued at when compared to pandora (pandora literally has more US users than Spot, Apple, and Google music combined) and you've got a clear and obvious short case for spotify

>>9212853
"pretending" anon I have some bad news...

>>9212880
...but snapchat isn't a music streaming service?

>>9212886
>pic related
>>9212880
Spotify is a fuckin joke from a business perspective. Half their current library was obtained via piracy and I can watch as items in my playlist are slowly ripped out by audits run by the record labels. It is just yet another delivery tool for the content barons now.

>>9212886
kek
>>9212924
Comfy seriously you have to bail on those calls man.

>>9212946
I TRIED TO BAIL BUT PTD MADE ME HOLD THEM TILL CLOSE.
Now I have to wake up at freaking 7:30 am to sell them because there's a 100% chance a limit order for tomorrow morning won't go through >:((

Wow, good thing I didnt straddle TSLA its flat for today. Maybe dump tomorrow

>>9212987
Sorry to hear that, but i'm glad you're not seeing it through to the end on those calls.

>>9212924
oops :)
but I also told you about snap too
>>9194853

>>9213004
....smg is telling me to sell...
does that mean...
I hold till expiry?
>:)
It's time to hold, my niggas

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Skip to page 10 to see which recommendations were majority upheld and which were rejected. Anything that does not have majority support is pure hot air. It appears the only sticking point of legitimate concern is home cultivation. The senate can reject everything the committee recommended if they wish.

There should be no delays on account of this document.

>>9212343
see it already is. nobody gives a fuck that they lost slightly less money than they planned to lose; they're still a dogshit company and we aren't in the ridiculous 2017 bull market anymore

>>9213093
The second Park started talking the stock dropped .20 kek

>>9212706
Dump sóy beans

Risk of trade slow down with china export spat and lets be honest, the oil is horrible to cook with. Just use oil seed.

Pepper has been long since more fast food needed to reformulate to low salt.

wew
that was fun
ended up trading myself a $500 hole, then bought 20 263 SPY puts expiring today for .02. rode it up and got 1000%. ended UP $500. shouldve held (though im glad i didnt, my poor heart cant take it) as those ended up ITM but IDGAF. red to green in 15 mins baby
>pic related, except i was short

ive just been running around outside like a lunatic. turns out its a beautiful day outside. cheers lads

>>9213210
>>9213210
damn dude, good call with the spy puts. what made you think puts were a good call

>SQ

Odds I hold snap calls tomorrow
Evens I hold snap calls tomorrow

>>9213397
Well it broke its trend of a reverse etf today... I think its a harbringer of ill omen

>>9213340
I WANNA DIE

>FIT
I FUCKED UP

>>9213935
>beat, crashes anyway
who am i kidding, just buy puts on everything with earnings coming up

Bear will leave its cave forever

>up 20% Today

I hope you guys Bought KMT and SFS Before earnings.

>>9213645
>>9213935

FUCK THIS GAY MARKET

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>9214011
BGFV rolled through earnings without a scratch.

any moment now.

>mfw come here with advice and get laughed at by some bitter pozzed faggot
>advice specific portfolio up 15% in about 3 weeks basically risk free

>>9213264
some anon told me something the other day. he said "trading is just all about taking the opposite when an event has been realized."

so the FED didnt do anything and everyone expected it to go up. (after i fucked up HARD) i waited for that pump to happen which was huge, and took the opposite stance when i saw it start to form a downtrend (lower hi). i was only gonna take it for a leg down, but i was down so far and thought i still had time, took profit at 1000% and ran away from my comp so i didnt FOMO back in (good thing too. if i held till nearer to the bell i couldve gotten 2000%. i definitely wouldve fucking chased it by being greedy)

>all these fags into SQ and SPOT

shoulda gone ALPHAbet

>>9214454
>took profit at 1000%

>>9214034
oh shit

Any predictions for Activision? Do you think I should sell before close tomorrow or roll the dice?

>>9214951
idk man
almost everything thats been beating has eventually given it back. might as well lock in some. or if youre not longterm on them, sell the stock and buy calls/puts or a straddle/strangle or something. then you can still play it but lock in profits AND have much less downside risk

>>9211265
Calm down Reginald, just avoid the transporter, OK?

>>9214951
Activision prints money, but investors and businessmen are spooked by EA. and I'd bet blizzard isnt pulling anything crazy new in terms of revnue. Earnings will be boring and stocks will tumble 2%.

Long term, Activision will continue to print money and will behave as a profitable yet growing large company.

>>9214951
I predict it'll beat earnings and then crash anyway

But I'm not going to play this because I'll be busy with GPRO

>>9215012
>>9215514
>>9215711
Thanks for your thoughts. What long play can I make on Korean peace besides Samsung(on RH platform)?

>>9215795
Figure out how to introduce rocket boy to ayy weed lmao and become the state sanctioned imperial weed dispensary

>>9215868
Smuggle weed into best Korea got it.
Thanks

>>9215795
Well, Korea's been at peace for years now. I dont think they'll suddenly start being economically productive anything like that just because a treaty gets signed (if it does get signed). One question to ask yourself is 'what will (North) Koreans want that they dont have now'? Well, McDonalds for one. And they'll probably want copies of Windows, if Windows isnt considered a national security threat by the Norks. And maybe they'll want new cars. The point I'm trying to make is they'll want a bunch of relatively boring things that the rest of the world wants that wont affect the South Korean economy especially. The effect of an open North Korean market will be diluted throughout the whole world.

>>9215711
>I predict it'll beat earnings and then crash anyway
yea thats what i think too. i think selling stock and buying a strangle before the bell is the safest

>>9215795
well geopolitics is slow moving. so what id do (and might, now that you bring it up) is wait for the speculative unification rally to show signs of weakness and short it. people will sell when they realize itll be years and years before a unified korea happens even if everything is hunky dory.

ill try and find the ticker for the korean market ETFs. i think this might be a good play

>>9215897
kek i just heard kim literally requested, if they make peace, if he can have mcdonalds. norks are gonna love the dollar menu

>>9215795
Short all the big defense contractors last week, then buy the dip this week. (You already missed step 1).

Except for Boeing. Don't touch Boeing, their commercial aircraft side gig is dragging them down. But LMT, NOC, RTN, GD, HII, and so on

Elon I.....

>>9215795
>>9215868
>>9215897
so the MSCI worst korea ETF is
>EWY
aprox $70 a share
options dont look very popping, but theres a good deal of open interest out 80 days. i might keep an eye on this one.

short the peace rally

>>9216115
BUT IT'S THE FUTURE

>>9216054
I was too busy market selling my PPA at 9:30 to follow step 1 lol.

THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT

ALL THESE COMPANIES ARE BEATING YET THEY DROP


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>9216299
>He forgot that the market already priced in earnings beat with the tax cut so now stocks will only go up if the earnings beat beats the expected earnings beat

>>9216299
they probably issuing lower earnings guidance.

>>9216345

ALL THE TAX CUT GAINS WERE ALREADY ERASED THO

>>9216372
No, that was just the market pricing in fed shitposting in addition to the tax cuts :^)

>>9216115
Americans don't want to go Green.

>>9216514
RED white and blue

>>9216299
This market is gay. I should've dumped whenever one of my positions went up 5% instead of watching them slowly bleed. BA was the gayest of all.

>>9216299
That's how tech bubble ended. When you bought calls on YHOO on earnings and lost money. .COM was great. At least it was exciting. This shit is fucking stupid shitty overpriced large caps with no moon potential. That's why it went on for so long. Retard tier market. Caught everyone with their pants down. Now people believe this garbage, and whoever ran the scam is selling. You can't underestimate the stupidity of american investing public.

>>9216770
How the fuck does a retail investor gets excited about shit like BA? It's garbage tier industrial with government funding. All the growth is capped.

>>9217404
>tfw bearish since volpocolypse in feb
not gonna lie, i got squeezed a couple REALLY bad times, since weve been sideways for so long.

i think the verdicts in. ive been trying to get everyone to read irrational exuberance. it was a prophetic book back then, and its a prophetic book right now. reading through it, it sounds like hes talking about todays market, not the market in 2000

>>9217453
i think a lot of people got suckered into the war=bullish for defense sector

i almost did it too, but checked chart history. its not very tightly correlated at first. BA just makes overpriced, inefficient garbage though like you said. but its brand recognition, you know?

i went with really long USO calls for my war play

>>9217479
No, this is .com after lobotomy.

>>9217506
You buy BA when terrible things happen, because it will be around, sell when its all clear. Never buy this crap on the way up. It's a stupid cyclical large cap. There is no real growth. Probably lags inflation too. People will puke it out if some terrorist act with planes happens. Because, you know, nobody will ever fly.

>>9214302
>BGFV rolled through earnings without a scratch.

>SPY forming fat wedge

What happens at the end? Are we going all the way up or all the way down?

those bounces are getting weaker and weaker.
1929-tier crash when?

>>9217531
kek
yeah i think its gonna be worse too.
a LOT worse.
and the usual safe haven of bonds are fucked too with no upside and ALL downside.
not to mention the amount of dumb money shit like robinhood has brought in.

like you said. its not just .com its every sector just completely bubbled up.

all my REITs are mooning though so im comfy as shit. who needs bonds when you can get an avg 11% yield on a sector that is bullish under rising rates?

>>9217643
theres circuit breakers anon. it cant happen again. atleast not in a day

>>9217643
That only happens when lots of fraud get uncovered. Who wants to be it was completely unexpected and could have happened to anybody? Purely a bad coincidence. The FED poopooed.

>>9217662
This is the most moronic shit I've ever seen. This is major players who buy bonds in size went into equity markets because there are no yields. Now, it went on long enough, and they cashed their vested bonuses, etc. Now, they will retire, or get fired, or whatever, but they can't sell this shit now. Unless of course SNB does it's usual blow out because the thesis doesn't work. Then it will be one bad day, they will probably get stopped by the FED. But SNB is retarded enough to sell their $100B or so position market. Maybe on the open. It's not money for them in the first place. Or maybe they sell to the FED. Then more QE starts. It's not a normal market. If you ever traded auctions, its an imbalance action. Then they print, and then nothing is there anymore. It fades slowly or rapidly.

>>9217662
>atleast not in a day
This entire market cycle is one long bleed.

>>9217696
>>9217696
$43 trillion dollars sound like a lot of fraud to you?
look up what happened to spire law group
thats all ill say on this site. i dont wanna get whacked

>>9217746
kek yeah its funny. its almost advantageous to be a small fry right now. these money managers that still have all their fuck huge positions are now trapped.

>This entire market cycle is one long bleed
oooohhh dont tease me anon. im diamonds

>>9217812
I made so much in 2008 because I had no positions to weigh me down.

I do have some. I have puts on outrageous shit. What pays is buying after carnage. It was a total unintelligent wall of money pushing everything that would yield up. Wreckage will be just as stupid. Diversification is stupid. Pick up pivot issues that survive without failing. That's where the money is made.

>>9217812
You better hope that money is gone. If it gets pulled, it's way worse. It's better to have capital destruction than to have that shit all pulled out.

>that 30yo boomer who buys stock

>>9217847
>I made so much in 2008 because I had no positions to weigh me down
this is unironically why i got involved in trading a year and a half ago. learned the ropes, practiced little. then feb came and im practicing bearshit the whole time. im fucking READY

>>9217866
take a look at the defendants list on that case before they got dissolved. barrys whole cabinet and every major bank (who knows where or if the money still exists, but i sure hope it isnt the same money theyve been lending around)

>>9217894
i hope to retire as a 30yo boomer

>>9217812
Mortgages I actually know what happened to. It's not a conspiracy. Banks blew up. All of them. WFC was as insolvent as CFC. They just lied. Liquidation ended, and properties slowly recovered in new more worthless dollars. But yields were suppressed. So stupid yield chasers who bought MBS bought equity now. Probably with the same result.

>>9217913
King nigger is a racketeer. What do you think community organizing is? Nothing happens, because muh country. No new nigger presidents for a while, though.

>>9217913
I went to public HS. We had a few gangs. I see them around sometimes. They all were in mortgages. It's hilarious. They look like respectable people now. They are literal street gang kids. It's crazy. You would never tell.

>>9216299
have you tried buying puts?

I've started doing it this week and it's been great

>>9217931
this does have me spooked. im holding some REITs with realty mortgage exposure for that sweet non fixed rate dosh. but at the same time im aware of all this sneaky subprime shit the banks have been doing by proxy. but those divs are so sweet.

you think puts on VNQ is a good hedge for realty exposure?

>No new nigger presidents for a while, though.
based on the last one i hope youre right. barry made bush look frugal in his first term alone

>>9217993
hah alright that makes me feel a lil better

>>9218028
REITS are funded through preferred shares. It used to be 10% standard. I don't care about those. This has nothing to do with real estate. If anything, it's safe. Maybe rents get hurt, but actual properties are not involved in any of the news stuff. It's all corporate and possibly government stuff. Equities. Every time you see a high yield investment, it will wipe out though, so I don't know. Short, cover into divvy, reshort. I wouldn't buy options on those things. Very little risk net of a divvy.

>>9217952
Man I'm a little older than some of y'all here and I have some bad news for you: before obongo we had the idiot son of an asshole and before him we had slick willie and before him we had a senile movie actor and his CIA sidekick and before him we had a retarded peanut farmer. And now we have a game show host, and it's not getting better any time soon. We haven't had someone competent in charge of this country since Ike. But the good news is it all seems to work anyway. God bless America.

>>9218120
But King Nigger is a nigger gangster. I'll take a cat over that. I bet you the money is missing from the Treasury. Maybe he still has the password, because the books from illiterate niggers fetch $30mm an advance. Come on. We never had an outright street criminal before.

>>9218177
Sure we did, we had Kennedy. And form what I hear, Harding. And Grant. Still here, everything's fine. Somebody up there likes us, that's all I'm saying. Hell it must be true after fucking Kennedy

>>9218101
>This has nothing to do with real estate. If anything, it's safe
word
>Maybe rents get hurt, but actual properties are not involved in any of the news stuff
thats why i had my eye on them. some other div guy who posts here turned me onto it. i was just tryin to find a safehaven from equities (especially w rate hikes and FED FUD every other week). if it yields 10%+ even fucking better.

covereds into divs is what ive been doing, but i need more practice. i wish they came more than once a quarter/month.

>I wouldn't buy options on those things. Very little risk net of a divvy
i was just looking for a way to hedge small positions in realty without using something like protective puts where i sell and lose my div. my options (kek) are kind of limited as i trade a cash account

>>9218120
the whole fucking thing has been a psyop since JFK got whacked imo. the whole way up

>>9218220
hey poor john was just the SON of a gangster kek

>>9218220
Fine? If I was not trading, I don't know if I would be able to afford a middle class living, and I am talking about professional salary. We are not fine. We are collapsing, albeit slowly. But you know how it is, countries as people go broke slowly and then suddenly. Do you see many immigrants from Europe arriving? It involves no memory at all to claim that we are better off today. I am much better off today than 20 years ago. But I doubt my kids will be able to experience living in a wealthy country. I am an exception. I'm lucky. Not smart, lots of smarter people are doing much worse than me.

>>9218333
If you make money, you should go to some prop shop. They give you leverage 25-1 or more. It's like trading their capital with your money as risk. Those are decent deals. You can go to First NY for no money down, but % is much worse. You will never make a lot of money like that. You need leverage. You can invest, but you can't make a living on retail platform. Most prop traders lose money too.

>>9218379
>If I was not trading, I don't know if I would be able to afford a middle class living
you wouldnt be able to
you either go into crushing debt at 18 to "getta gud edukayshun" and then get fucked cuz lol RECESSION (not to mention how useless educational institutions are now)

or you bypass that (leaving you with no credit) and go get some fucking retard-tier mortgage from whoevers dumb enough to lend to your sorry ass, so you can pretend to have a house for a little while until you ultimately default and crash yourself AND the economy (again).

>>9218433
i still need much more practice before i try anything like that. theyd laugh me right out the front door. like i said ive only been doing this for a little while. i just knew i had to get some hands on exp in before it all came crashing down. if i can swing this crash and buy it up, THEN ill have something worth showing them

>>9218516
did you see this? Apparently Elon Cusk lost it in the earnings call
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-acted-like-a-jerk-and-tesla-stock-paid-the-price-2018-05-02

>>9218622
elon needs his fix before he can just out and out lie to his shareholders about running a real company. think how fucked they would be if the tax bill didnt get passed, or they werent given govt handouts, or if everyone dumped their shitty junk bonds (they already are).

elon needs his medicine.

>>9218516
I'm older than you. I'm gen Xer. I actually had good job market to start with. I have an advanced degree in STEM. So I was in a enviable position. I was getting paid 60 from the start in the 90s. After a couple of years, I got raised to $75K + bonus. I was able to save up a lot of money to start trading. I hated my job. I was a quant too. It took me a while to learn to trade. I'm not going to lie to you, maybe 5 years. Then I wasn't even allowed to write programs to trade. When I had a few ideas, again, I would never have come up with this totally by myself. I was on a prop desk, I wrote a program, we made a lot of money. Now I'm on my own.

>>9218516
>i still need much more practice before i try anything like that. theyd laugh me right out the front door. like i said ive only been doing this for a little while. i just knew i had to get some hands on exp in before it all came crashing down. if i can swing this crash and buy it up, THEN ill have something worth showing them

You don't understand the level of idiocy "professionals" have. If you can do it with your own money, you are way better than a lot of those people who can only burn firm's money. You will either be fine or not. Chances are you will fail, but I was careful too. You have higher than normal chances of making it. It's also undoable alone. You need a partner. It's doable, but very hard. You will make friends in a firm. I would have gone to mad house if I didn't have a partner whom I traded most of my productive career. I did trade alone, but you will fell like you are talking to yourself all the time lol. It's a sanity check.

>>9218696
I'm averaging about 15% gains/day trading SPY options. If I'm right on my pick I'm usually about 20% (EBIO is my current pick, has been since last week)

What do? Would a prop house accept me?

>>9218622

LMAO

>>9218684
>think how fucked they would be if the tax bill didnt get passed, or they werent given govt handouts, or if everyone dumped their shitty junk bonds (they already are).
they'd be fucked but i'm rooting for TSLA and everything Elon is trying to do, he has a forward looking attitude that is directed toward cleaning up humanity and i feel that's what the world needs. I don't trade the stock or really plan on it for awhile but i am rooting for more companies to follow suit and try to help the world out

>>9218696
learning that python shit is the next step
is this a good free resource?
https://www.quantopian.com/lectures
havent bothered to dig into it
but if you know any good books on this stuff, please let me know. im trying to build a library (check pic related) for the anons here so that the literate ones dont have to get LIQ'd

>Chances are you will fail, but I was careful too. You have higher than normal chances of making it
i appreciate the kind words anon

once i got my confidence up i may just give it a shot.

>>9218796
I am not an options trader. I was trained and worked initially with a lot of options. Options are different game as far as leverage is concerned. I know they have prop houses. I'm sure First NY and if Schoenfeld is around they would let you trade options, but I don't know much about options prop. It used to be you sign up as a trainee on the floor of AMEX or some Chicago Exchange for options. I can't help you with options. I trade mostly cash. You have to trade volume with cash. Options are probably more risky, so comp may be small compared to cash equities.

>>9218856
i do actually like his ideas and goals (i just love giving him shit), but he shouldve sold TSLA and not spaceX. it was a bad move on his part. now his only hope is maybe a reverse merger IPO with spaceX. and that does NOT sound like something that will instill shareholder confidence

>>9218865
thank you for the advice, I'll look into First NY & Schoenfeld.

You type like Trump talks. Post hat based gen x'er

>>9218865
im a fucking options junky myself. i need to get the cash before i can trade the cash

but the thought of having to live in shitcago in order to trade at CBOE makes my skin crawl. i hate that city (illinois is alright though, its just to bad theyre connected)

>>9218886
>but he shouldve sold TSLA and not spaceX
so he sold spaceX? sorry i've kinda been out of the loop recently.. who bought spacex and who is going to run it?

>>9218860
Its not like you have a choice of language at first. You go off you API. If your API has a socket, you can use any language. If it's actual library, you are stuck with whatever library is written in unless you want to wrap up c or java in python. My fist API was fucking ActivX. Which is VB. I have a good system now, but all data gathering and trading was done on fucking VB. FIX has different risk requirements. They didn't extend anything beyond Reg T to FIX at the time. Now there are many APIs.

Real time will cost you $6K a month now. I paid $150 when I started. They made it worse for everyone now.

>>9218886
>>9218856
I can really appreciate his forward thinking, but not at the expense of tax payers. True private does it better; let NASA take our tax dollars and focus on scientific advancement. I also have a really hard time believing that Musk will approve asteroid mining, which will probably be the only real viable source of income for quite some time when corporations first go to space.

>>9218908
http://chimerasecurities.com/
These people are not real prop, you put money down. They do options it says. You can't pull the money for a year unless its a profit, because it's some exchange requirement. If you have a pulse and a license they will take you. If you are good they will let you manage money. I'm sure there are others too. But it's the one where you put the money down. First NY is full prop. It's all the same shit, different formulas.

>>9218949
>let NASA take our tax dollars
sorry bro, gotta disagree there, they've been taking tax dollars and doing nothing.
>I can really appreciate his forward thinking, but not at the expense of tax payers.
You can get government grants for certain businesses that are supposed to better humanity or some shit like that.. what business should we start?

https://www.sba.gov/blogs/government-grants-small-business-think-you-qualify

>>9218927
yeah i think he still sort of is part of its direction or whatever, but he doesnt own it. dunno who he sold it to. but he left to try and capture the consumer market. my opinion is he stretched himself too thin. with margins tightening, theyre gonna be in a bad spot very soon. im thinking of getting really longterm puts on them when i have more capital. might as well help some of those poor shareholders out a little (for a nice price ;) )

>>9218932
wew, thats a lotta words i dont know yet. im gonna cap this and save it for when im not retarded.

i really do appreciate you letting me pick your brain for a bit tho m8. its a rarity in this game to have someone with experience actually giving out decent advice.

>Real time will cost you $6K a month now. I paid $150 when I started. They made it worse for everyone now.
im used to it. i was in 4th grade when 911 happened and the whole world got fucking ruined. i vaguely remember that things seemed to be a lot better back then, but all ive ever known is one simple fact:
it gets worse from here on out

>>9219052
https://www.schonfeld.com/InvestmentStrategies

These people used to even pay minimum wage. I don't know if they still do. I think they take most people with the pulse. You get paid on gross or net too and no money down. I don't know what the deal is now. They will not let you code, though. They have quants who will code if you want to code something. It's the risk issue. I prefer stupider people if you ask me.

>>9219019
R&D Autism & Incel Conversion Therapy

>>9219189
>R&D Autism & Incel Conversion Therapy
sounds like a plan, what board has the most Autism that we can research? /b/?

>>9219216
/r9k/ is the incel/autist axis of 4chan which puts it on a high ranking of being among the highest ranking in the world

>>9219123
im gonna look into it thanks

its pretty funny. as a kid, i always had this idea that traders were all people with paper qualifications and fancy financial educations. but the reality is "you make money? get the fuck in there STAT"

it was kind of liberating when i started trading and realized the myth of "smart money". it made me feel a lot less bad about missing trades. at least when i fuck up i dont accidentally a whole million fucking dollars

>>9219216
probably /sci/ or /g/ but i havent poked my head into this chans other boards in years. (except for pr0n occasionally)

>>9219216
/r9k/ for advanced, /pol/ for medium with potential weaponizing, /b/ for mid level social rejects, /k/ for obsession, /biz/ for lack of understanding of risk/pain

>>9219262
im telling you guys, one of my favorite trolls back in the day was going on /sci/ and subtly fucking up calc equations. if you think IM an effortposter, you should see those guys (i love it). i think theyre all on wiz now desu

>>9219260
I think it is often forgotten that for one man to win on a trade another must lose. Yin/Yang shit.

Business is really fucking savage at concept. My tribe is better than your shitty tribe and I will do what is necessary to secure the existence and future of my tribe. I expect you to do the same. Hence respect.

>>9219301
>Business is really fucking savage at concept. My tribe is better than your shitty tribe and I will do what is necessary to secure the existence and future of my tribe.
truly
the financial redpill (though the same can pretty much be applied to all humans/organisms that exist)

>>9219326
It doesn't make sense. I have some boxes that would have opposite positions in the same name. It's less than ideal, and it rarely happens, but you are misunderstanding the nature of trading. It's statistics. The simpler your idea and execution is and more statistically significant results are, I don't care if I lose on one or make on another. It's like rolling the loaded dice if you have a correct strategy. My experience is that trading is made way more complicated than it is. Find significant edge, exploit it. Single trade makes no difference. It's a statistical trial. At least that's how I think of cash equity trades. Options, you buy significant upside, so it's not as cut and dry. But basically the same shit. One trade makes no difference at all. There are great trades, terrible trades, it's all a roll of a dice.

>>9219464
thats why i was saying, i still gotta practice before i try this for real. im still going through and trying to find what works for me. ive got a couple decent ideas, but now its time to zone in on them and make them statistically foolproof.

>>9219583
Yeah, but you realize that every strategy has losses, right? You really make money when you apply whatever the idea is to a wide universe of stocks.

I am 99% purely box/statistical trader. I some investing. But it's more to capture stupid shit. It's not really a business model. But statistical stuff is business. People used to do it by hands, but now the spreads are so low, it's not worth doing ti by hands, so computers do make money on those things because of statistics. And there are infinitely many strategies. What seems stupid to you is perfectly fine to whatever strategy is doing it.

You don't have all the market information either through retail platform and not all orders are available. It's taught like a trade. There are standard things.

>>9219654
>You don't have all the market information either through retail platform and not all orders are available
AGH
I KNOW. it suxxx. how the fuck do i ghetto rig myself an orderflow chart for the SPX?

>>9219673
I don't use that. I use futures as benchmark to relative value stocks. I don't use SPX. SPX is cash index. It's recorded trades. It's worthless to me. You use futures as a bench mark when you trade equities. At least NYSE. Nasdaq is I guess QQQs. I hardly trade Nasdaq. I do, but I mostly trade NYSE. Nasdaq is different. It's different style of trading.

>>9219707
yeah me and some of the other guys have been daytrading the weekly options on it (pretty fun, lil bite size positions can do great. did a deep OTM one today and got 1000% ROI). it would be awesome to get the momentum on it before it happens

>>9219753
woulda been 2 but im a chickenshit and i was scared id get stuck with them (it was for the FED shit).

i like options because you can lose a BUNCH more trades and still stay profitable if you have the balls to let your wins run a reasonable amount

>>9219673
Most of trading is mechanical. Trying to sniff out buyer or a seller. So for different markets there are different techniques, because there are different rules. Trading is affected by different rules. It's not one approach fits all. The same things work for NYSE stocks but wouldn't work for NASDAQ stocks. NASDAQ is more like black jack, and NYSE is more like poker. NASDAQ is too thin a universe for what I do. But again, different people are good at different things.

>>9219753
I was first taught that all the companies I know are not my stocks. I need to find some pos mid caps and train there. I traded A/B shares because nobody traded them. I made a little bit of money on them. It's more like a training tool.

>>9219804
were all just so bearish on all of them, i think we feel itll be an easy trend to predict. ie: directly fucking south after the rally. i think ive done like one position of calls on it in the last 2 weeks.

i dont like trading the individual cos stocks because i cant stand the shit company. theres too many people that shouldnt be invested right now and its gonna make it way worse than it has to be (unless im short)

>>9219753
There is a way to do it. You need to write a calculator. This trade used to be great, it's a POS now. You mean when index takes off in the later part of the day? It was great when those levered ETFs rebalanced. They changed methodology. They were losing so much money on it to guys like me. It's tricky now. I think they are much less stupid and it's not worth it for me to deal with this trade except when it's obvious. I don't know what people do now. I have my own set of models that sort of build into a coherent structure, and it keeps me busy. It's endless work. That big smack down trade if when the market collapses into he close is a classic. That I do, but it's really one of those easy money pick ups not something systemic.

>>9219841
My boss used to short stocks down a fortune closing at the lows. There is little retail in individual names now. But retail panics and sells on the open. Retail is gone from most stocks. They are in hot names and etfs.

>>9219876
>You mean when index takes off in the later part of the day?
ha well recently, its just been anyones ER who has P/E of <9000 or some retarded shit
and banks because all the subprime shit.
all these earnings are just so obviously topped out, i dont know what the fuck anyone is doing anymore thinking they arent buying the ABSOLUTE peak

>It was great when those levered ETFs rebalanced. They changed methodology. They were losing so much money on it to guys like me
kek you know its a good strat when they change the rules of securities to try and stop you haha