/biz/ - Business & Finance

what type of job are you looking for?

people will tell you they care a lot, but really, no one gives a shit, if they ask about your 4chan history, tell them these skills could benefit them because you're 'one' with the interwebz and know how to work your way around these websites, which is a TOTAL plus for intelligence work.

(obviously say it more nicely, but yeah)

just be honest, no one is perfect, so don't worry about it, if they like you they'll contact you, you have to be 'human' and have a 'personality' that people like, so just be a human with a decent personality, and at the end of the interview tell them drinks are on you if you get hired, and walk out with a smile on your face.

i'd also start developing that million dollar smile and get crest whitening strips in right now.

>>919262
Engineering, design, drafting.

I want to take a chance but I don't want to bring attention to these things if they do end up mattering.

>>919258
You probably shouldn't have made this topic if you are legitimately worried about that.

>>919258
Clearance won't look at any of that shit other than the traffic violations.

How detailed it is depends on the level of clearance, but top secret looks something like this:

1. Fill out this big fucking book in which you disclose everywhere you ever lived, and everywhere you ever worked, and everywhere you ever went to school. You provide 2 references each for each of these entries. Also your entire family and any other serious relationships.

Also all tickets, charges, legal run ins, law suits, ect.

Then the investigators interview all these people, ask them a bunch of questions and cross reference the results to try to find anything you are leaving out. Plus a deep background check ( deep enough to find charges that were dropped or offenses that were expunged or hidden because you were juvi) plus an examination of credit reporting.

Its pretty fucking serious, but most of that shit you mentioned is not their concern. Stuff they are really looking for is gaps in employment or residency on your report that might indicate deception, info from interviews that indicates deception, hidden substance abuse, concealed financial delinquency or gambling problems, unexplained or hidden travel, or weird connections overaeas.

Mostly though, they are looking to catch you in a lie.

You should be more concerned with the fact that it costs am employer something like 30k to get a top secret clearance investigation done, so they usually try to hire people who already have one from military service.

>>919258
OP, did they request a fingerprint/ back ground check?

These checks key in on any fingerprint instances in your life as a result of actions that you were involved with either directly or indirectly.

Traffic violations? Parking tickets or speeding? There is a difference. Parking tickets show you to be careless and stupid, speeding tickets or other moving violations show you to be reckless or risk taker.

The biggest predictor of a fucking idiot is petty store theft, and illegal download is close to shoplifting, but not really the same because the downloading occurs in your home, under the guise of anonymity. Store petty theft, is more brazen, deliberate and reckless, and is a red flag.

That cease and deist letter is admissible in a background check, and I would not be surprised if there is a database for these types of actions. I hope you responded properly to the cease and desist letter, but I don't think it would be a red flag.

Good luck, and always stay behind 7 proxy servers. Nigger.

>>919416
This.
You should be fine OP. Just don't leave anything out on your application.

Good references will help. They just want to make sure you're not a scumbag or a terrorist.

>>919383
Why is that?

>>919416
I don't have anything except speeding tickets, a traffic accident, and an employment gap from moving with no job lined up. I also defaulted on some student loans, but if I'm upfront about this shit, it'll be cool? Is that really all they're wanting to do is catch me in a lie?

>>919455
I didn't respond to the cease and desist at all, I just stopped downloading games.

Also I've read that you can't put family as a reference, yet I've never had neighbors that weren't family in a permanent residence. So how do I handle the residence related references?

>>919258
I got one in Canada. Same with traffic violations, and an arrest where the charges were dropped. Oddly enough, the only thing that caused a delay was that I worked abroad (English Teacher). If you're worried, just start in advance, since if something flags they'll take some extra time to go through it.

At least, that's the case in Canuckistan.

>>919475
Have you gotten a good conduct letter yet?

>>919493
Nope. Should I go through that process even though they're gonna basically do it anyway with the background check?

>>919496
I assume US?

What is the position you are applying for. You can just mentiona general industry.

Example. Sometimes I read on /b about teaching English in Japan for that unfettered access to Japanese girls. Well, these positions always require US FBI checks (assuming you are US).

Some positions require additional checks.

>>919475
Yeah you should be fine as long as you declare everything. Lots of myths out there about what will derail clearance start because people actually get denied not for the act, like defaulting on a student loan, but for not disclosing it.

It's also a good idea to contact everyone you list just to make sure they know what's up incase a guy in a black suit shows up to interview them. I know people who couldn't get cleared becuse a bunch of thier family members and references refused to cooperate with the interview peocess ( native American side of the family, so you can imagine the mistrust)

But again, your biggest issue is the extreme cost of clearance. Tons of people come out of the military with an intact clearance and move into all kinds of clearance jobs. It's possible to get a company to pay for it, but you better be able to do something special.

>>919508
Yes, US.
Different ones. Entry level mechanical engineer, lead designer, cad drafter,

>>919516
A lot of the listings say the requirement is the ability to OBTAIN a secret level clearance. Some say that and then say "current clearance preferred" or something.

>>919481
Its tough. And you are correct, then want non family, and no repeats. You might have to get creative. I had trouble with this because I'm from a small town, and I happened to have lots of friends who lived near me and worked with me and one job or another, and it was difficult to not repeat people.

And they don't have to be neighbors, but people who "knew you at that address"

Although they sometimes talk to neighbors. I have to imagine that is not common though. As impersonal as we have gotten.

>>919518
The point is they'll strongly prefer someone who already has it to save money.

>>919517
You should be fine, even if military industry. However, stop downloading shit if you haven't already. Clear up those tickets buy paying the fine or pleading not guilty.
Like others said, come clean about those dmv infractions on the disclosure letter, and indicate the disposition. Get a local background check done at your local state police office, and show them your good name.

Finally, stop posting on 4chan unless public wifi.

Good luck.

They just look for anything that can be used as blackmail against you. They don't care if you have smoked weed or partied hard. As long as you don't lie about it. I currently hold a TS/SCI and they know everything about my past drug use.

They also don't care about you posting on 4chan, as long as it isn't on their systems. Do that shit on your own time

Be completely honest.

They'll overlook petty stuff, especially old, that you disclose. But they will fail you for omitting that one time you got arrested for public urination in high school. Had a friend get fired after 20 years of service for failing to disclose a 5 year old DUI.

Save yourself the time and stress if you really are a screw up or druggie, you will be found out. And nobody likes to hire someone the government canned!

>>919416
And if you are trying to get a top secret clearance to work for, say, an intelligence agency, you can expect to be hooked up to a high quality polygraph machine and asked a lot of embarrassing questions by a very well trained polygraph examiner. These guys don't screw around for this type of job. Doesn't sound like that is the kind of job you are applying for though.

>>919258
That milf doe! Got any more pics?

Honestly dude people only get denied clearance for having bad finances, like debts and shit.

secret is no big deal really.

Don't lie be straight forward and follow what everyone else said in this thread it's mostly the same. Late at night here or else I'd spend more time explaining the process but you mostly get the idea. Also I'm fairly unaware of the U.S. Process due to me being involved with the Canadian Equivalent. (CSIS) to get a high security clearance takes a fairly long time aswell.

Also don't look up how to beat a lie detector test. I did and it looked really bad because it's one of the first 10 questions they ask.

Goes basic then delves into psychological shit that gets deep to really analyze you as a person.

If you're a loner than it makes the background check easier. Plus be honest because they'll find out. Also the "lie" detector isn't an exact science. It measures if you're nervous. So you can be telling the truth but fail the question. This is why sociopaths pass those test with flying colors. Also the best form of passing a poly is looking the interviewer in the nose.

Thanks guys. I think I'll be okay, if I can even get one of the jobs without prior clearance lol

>>919756
No, the best way to pass a polygraph is be honest. A good examiner knows about all of the bs tricks you've learned by watching bad tv shows. When he/she sees you trying any of this crap, they will break you down. They also know how to tell when you are just nervous and are trained to get you through that phase. The truth shall set you free.

Am I supposed to be aroused or disgusted by OP's pic

>>920278
I just like how it was probably some anon who kindly asked her to take a photo and she was like 'eww but okay nobody has been hot for me for 15 years so what the hell' face on.

>>920277
There is no merit in honesty as far as the United States government is concerned.

If you are polygraphed, do not admit to anything other than what you previously disclosed. The polygraph process is one of intimidation.

The examiner will tell you that you 'spiked' or 'reacted' to a certain question and then say "I think you know the question I'm talking about" or "you need to come clean with me so that I can help you" to coerce a confession.

Often, they will do something abrupt, such as slamming their hand or clipboard on the table, then wheeling their chair in front of you in order to force a confession via intimidation.

Do not break down or panic, maintain a calm, professional demeanor and tell them that you do not know why you reacted to such and such question, but that you have nothing more to add. Perhaps you have a negative connotation associated with the subject of the question and that's why your body physiologically 'responded' to it.

Polygraphs have fucked over a lot of people. The NSA has even gone after people they rejected by opening up investigations on them based on their polygraph confessions, even though that is supposed to be impossible.

>>920354
>So I resigned myself to the fact that I would not be able to work at NSA after all and decided to continue my career in the Navy. But on 7 January 2003, I was escorted from my office without warning and relocated to a Navy Legal Hold division, and only then was I told why. I was presented a letter that was sent by the NSA Personnel Security Office to the Maryland State Police Computer Crimes Unit which stated that I had admitted to downloading child pornography on ten occasions. The letter was full of other untruths and words taken out of context, and in my opinion was a total and complete attack on my personal character. It's one thing to file such a report if the facts support it, but it's another thing entirely to completely falsify an official report and send it to the police. The Computer Crimes Unit immediately dismissed the report, but my current problems stem from the fact that the Personnel Security Office sent a copy of the report to my Navy Commander, who was forced to suspend my security clearance and pull me out of the building until the issue is resolved. I am confident that the Navy Criminal Investigative Service will also dismiss the allegations -- just as the Computer Crimes Unit did -- once my statement is given, though I have to wonder why no one has asked for it yet.
>My experience and opinion regarding NSA's use of the polygraph is that the entire process is well-rehearsed and choreographed, and relies not nearly so much on the accuracy of the polygraph machine as on it's usefulness as a catalyst for intimidation. I was told numerous times that I was spiking on a specific question but was shown proof of a spike only once, and the polygrapher's explanation of that spike in my opinion was extremely questionable.

https://antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-019.shtml

>>920277
>No, the best way to pass a polygraph is be honest.

why is that? polygraphs are pretty much pseudoscience - they can't really tell when you're lying

>>920394
Analyses of character.

>>919383
this lmfao

>>919679
This my mate who is a submariner got asked questions such as what is your favorite porn. So if you say lesbian and you actually watch lots of tranny porn they will be like orly.

They just asked him to stop browsing 4chan they didn't really care.

>>920277
No it isn't. I've been polygraphed three times and can tell you from experience, even honesty can be read as deception. Likewise, some personality types are more suited for passing even when lying. The key is practice, coaching, and research (remember, in for a penny in for a pound because they will ask if you've been coached/researched polygraphs). Polygraphs are bullshit, no wonder they are illegal in the US for everything but government jobs.

>>919258

Who is this cum connoisseur?

I got a job offer with a TS/SCI clearance for a major defense contractor, but I have a history of mental illness as a child and I'm actually an undiagnosed schizophrenic so I decided not to go through with it in case they somehow found out.

That would have been a meal ticket for life if that didn't matter, though honestly I probably wouldn't have lasted long in that kind of job.

>>921956

Also I have like no friends or social life, nobody I can use as the kind of character reference that kind of thing requires.

>>921698
Yes, it is. Unless you are an emotionally void sociopath, a good examiner will weed out the lies. Just tell the truth. They care less about your answers than they do your truthfulness. Unless maybe you are an undiagnosed schizophrenic or a drug user or a CP'er. Then it is their job to figure this out before they hire you. A good examiner is watching you and how you react to questions as much as they are watching the readout devices. They will also tell you you are lying when the machines say you are not just to see how you react.

But, my only polygraph experience has been with intelligence agencies, so ymmv. For this type of job, your interview polygraph is most likely not going to be the last one you receive. Do you really want to live a life where you have to remember what lies you told to whom at what time so that you can repeat it the next time around? Seriously. Just tell the truth. If the truth excludes you from the job, it just wasn't meant to be.