/biz/ - Business & Finance

Oddly enough, professions such as accounting are far more likely to be automated soon. Its pretty tough to build an autonomous robot that can fix the furnace in your basement.

>>9031721
This tradesmen thinks they're choice is the best way to become successful and useful in society when in reality they wish they went to college to hang with their peers and smash pussy. All the boastngs from tradefags on this board is pure jealousy, nothing more.

Radiologists are at stake as well. There are just some things its easy to make machines do well. What happens to be your profession OP?

>Work in a SaaS company automating these guy's jobs
>My evil company is making AI for profit and I hate it
How do I sabotage us from making a Skynet but keep getting promoted??

>>9031759
I know quiet a few tradesmen that take pride in what they do. Success is a pretty ambiguous term.

Nar

>>9031780
Yeah but they believe they are the ONLY profession that keeps society running. A lot of them look at themselves as the "backbone" when in reality they're just a cog in the machine and smarter people can't wait to automate them because of this

>>9031774
you have already been marked for termination

>>9031721
>Being this resentful of people who actually work.
kys

>tfw welder
>1.3 mill a year starting

Actually knowledge-based jobs are being automated
doctors, lawyers, accountants, IT (to a degree)
these jobs can be completed by returning the correct data based on a given input, perfect for a cpu
Marketing, advertising, teaching, finance
these are next on the chopping block. the effectiveness of these professionals can be quantified and analyzed by AI. Then it will spit out the ideal formula and it will be automated.

Trades are actually on the safe side. They can't be automated until we have iRobot drones running all around. At that point most people are on welfare anyway.
The next few decades will be characterized by unprecedented profitability for the companies that can successfully automate all of the above roles. You can become wealthy by paying attention and dropping your crypto bubble wealth on the correct stocks.

>>9031721
>t. never worked a trade or done manual labor in his life.

automation isn't going to replace plumbers, electricians, roofers, framers, drywall meth heads, concrete pumpers, finish carpenters etc. for quite a while

The same geniuses working on self driving cars? Someone has to die till they make perfect a way for r2d2 to deliver your fatass a pizza. Genius!

>>9031902
>Waaaaah, he hasn't worked outside before and doesn't know how hard my job is
Trade jobs are for retards, that's why you see monkeys, Mexicans, and hillbilly's doing them. Any idiot can install some pipe where the ENGINEER and manner tell you to.

>>9031774
Idiot. Now the basilisk will torture you for all eternity.

welding

>>9031721

I agree with a lot of what you said OP but

>Will be obsolete in 10 years

they've been saying that since the 70's

>>9031968
>>9031838
Please help me stop my greedy CEO from making AI "innovations" for measley 3% annual returns on our company stock..

>He doesn't know crypto makes 150% monthly returns
>Should we get the Bogs involved???

>>9031943
The jobs aren't difficult but, as an example, robots won't be good enough to walk onto any random property and diagnose/fix a pipe leak for a few decades at the very best.

And kek at "muh engineers tell everyone what to do." Engineers are desk jockey manlets. 3/4 of their job is copy-paste "problem solving" that any contractor with 5 years experience could recreate just because building codes are retard proof.

>>9032076
can confirm every engineer I know is manlet tier
they are 1 step up from söyboy sissys

FUCK OFF
if you like to do research on anonymous users state your business and you might get help.
Be a snaeky jew and you get shit on

As someone who went into the auto-body and mechanic trade after dropping out of high school, to now working as a Project Manager for a pretty large Vape company at 21;

I can tell you that I'll never work a trade again, I loved getting all the knowledge and experience from working on cars, as well as

>>9031721
jesus christ dont piss off the Canadian plumber i dont want to hear his bullshit again.

>>9031774
You can't stop. When someone makes more sense to become more efficient and increase profits then that road will always be taken.

>>9032514
holy fuck I almost forgot about the Canadian plumber. Thanks anon that was a hearty kek.

Don't need automated robots, with technology one skilled tradesman can guide 10 minimum wage workers that wear AR headsets. Some tradesman will do well, but will need less of them overall

>>9031721
>Overblown sense of self importance

Literally no human civilization would exist without them

>>9031943
You've obviously never worked in industry, engineers fuck up and make shit that doesn't work all the time

All of your shitty low IQ jobs are going to be replaced. Get over it.

>>9032908
>>9032076
I'm not praising engineers, most of them are cucks but at least their job isn't lo Iq. It takes some level of talent unlike trades which can be done by cavemen

>>9032926
Humans will find new crappy jobs, technology is better than the 1960s and yet theres even more jobs out there, especially for girls

>>9031897
t. worried tradefag

>>9031897
/thread

People who think trades will be automated have a poor understanding of both trades and automation, and then ironically accuse tradesmen of low IQ

>>9031774
Why? If particular jobs can be done by robots, then the people doing those jobs were mere slaves

>>9031721
Name some trades and try to tell me what they do.

>>9033064
they know better anon. their parents probably went to college because they were told to. they do the same thing to their kids. they were told that debt and a sedentary office job is "making it". if they say anything about trades, they usually have no idea what they're talking about.

example
>2005
>have good grades in middle school and enjoy math
>want to go into advanced manufacturing
>oldest sister who liked expensive german cars and leftism got brainwashed in college
>constantly tells me that i need to go to college because people "don't make stuff anymore"
>she gets to me after awhile and i decide to shift into engineering because the salaries were pretty nice at the time
>2010
>graduate
>middle of the recession
>i got a job at a gas station
>shared my orientation with a laid-off engineer
>hmmm
>only school with good engineering in my area was expensive as fuck
>2011
>go for CS instead
>hate every second of it
>drop out after 1 semester and spend 4 years floating from shit job-to- shit job
>2015
>job market saturation from too much STEM memeing
>CS and engineering got heavily politicized and taken over by SJWs
>start watching blacksmithing and CNC videos on youtube and find them both incredibly interesting
>should have just gone into adv manufacturing
>went to trade school
>found apprenticeship
>love everything about it
inversely, there is a shortage of labor and it is hard to find young talent because a generation of degree mill arm-chair experts talked out of their asses and degraded the trades when they had no clue. ironic when you consider how offended they are when someone LARPs as the thing they have a degree in

>>9033356
>sedentary office job

sounds pretty great compared to hitting a glass ceiling immediately, dealing with nepotistic unions where your work isn't rewarded, and blowing out your joints by the time you hit 35

>>9033384
none of those things are in my reality and you are only proving my point that so many of the Enlightened Young Professionals™ that come out of degree mills have no clue about the world around them and only do what they are told, you smug ass pigeon

>>9031721
20 years ago i would have agreed in the main. However some trades are now seen as a viable alternative to university and some tradesmen make serious cash. The forelock tugging days are well over and a skilled tradesman can actually do something valuable. There are too many degreed people making it worth shit with a load of debt at the end. This make the McD entry level jobs demanding degrees whereas in the past a school leaver would do. The system is totally screwed.

>>9031721
Literally any path to the workforce is a trap.

Trades seem pretty good though, simple problems, drive around to and fro, one man company if you feel like the extra hassle is worth the independence and freedom.
Pay and hours can be as good or bad as you want.

Unless you absolutely insist on making over 100k per year at 40 or more hours per week I don't see why it is not a good option.

You can make a satisfactory living hassle and worry free or you can struggle for prestige without having a life outside of work.

Would stay the fuck out of welding or any powertool related job.

>>9031721
Your an idiot good lord. Tradesman will make 60k a year while you suck them off for 100 dolla so you can feed yourself.

>>9031721
good one fuck head, next time you take a dump that blocks your toilet, just wait 10 years for a robot to come and fix it for you

>>9031721
>>9031821
>smarter people
Don't kid yourself. If you were truly smart you wouldn't have fallen for the uni scam, and would have learned a trade for a fraction of the cost and half the time instead.
t. plumber who makes ~250k a year (although admittedly those are aussie dollars) at the ripe age of 24. Most people from my high school that I know of either work at supermarkets, restaurants, hair salons or car dealerships, while a handful of people got jobs that are actually related to their degrees through family connections. My grandma keeps chimping out that I'm wasting my "talents" because I was one of the "gifted" kids in fucking middle school, but I honestly can't think of any way that would have worked out better for me.
I know I'm not smart and cunning enough to be a CEO, or create the next meme app that rakes in millions, and I'd rather be a tradie than some paper pusher who might not even find work because there are simply more people with degrees than open positions.
Also while it's true that tradesmen are often not very smart and blow all their money on stupid shit, it's really up to the individual.

>>9033656
how's that inferiority complex going for you
people will eventually replace you with robots, take note because accountants are first, watch the suicide rates closely
all of you wagecucks are going down
it's the time of the technocrati

>>9033709
>people will eventually replace you with robots
Who are these "people" exactly? Who's going to replace me? Who's to say it won't be me running a robo plumbing service? In the initial stages these robots will still need some level of assistance and tweaking, so why couldn't I be an early adopter of the technology since I already know the business?
>accountants are first
That's exactly my point. Office positions like lawyers, accountants and financial analysts are supposed to be the smart and high IQ positions for people who got into good colleges, are quick at making connections and decisions, did a lot of "networking", did internships, go to office parties, have a linkedin with a photo of them in a suit and have good "people skills" to help them climb the ranks.
And yet these are the fields that are already oversaturated because everyone who can't figure out what they want just goes and gets a finance degree because their boomer parents told them they'd be set for life once they finished uni. I legit know two guys from my high school who work at the same IGA, one of them has had his business degree for two years and the other one just finished his finance degree last year.
They can't find a job here in bumfuck WA because there just isn't any work for people with literally 0 experience, and it isn't getting any better for them either, because now they're 24 with only supermarket shit on their resumes.
>all of you wagecucks are going down
You say this as if you were somehow going to be triumphant and personally cuck us. Are you going to be one of the technocrat overlords? Do you think you're right there at the bleeding edge of technology and are part of the elite that's going to lead the next industrial revolution because you bought a few thousand Links? You weren't even smart enough to realize you could make six figures just fucking around with pipes and/or wires.

>>9031721
>1 post by this id
saged this copy pasta thread, fucking stupid newfags

>>9033461
>Would stay the fuck out of welding or any powertool related job.
explain

>>9034140
Fucking plumbers, I'm sick of plumbers coming onto this Mongolian brappp sniffers image board and shit posting. First we have the Canadian plumber, now some cunt from WA,which is a fucking cesspool where all the inhabitants have the combined iq of a fucking walnut.
Secondly I have a 100k links and yes I will be a fucking lord in the techno elite. Link $1000 EOY

>>9034322
>Secondly I have a 100k links and yes I will be a fucking lord in the techno elite. Link $1000 EOY

>>9031721
Eggsplain how AI will to to my fucking grandmas house a rewire her switchboard when it inevitbly shit itself after 40 years. Exfuckingplain how AI is meant to renovate/extent millions of houses across the country in the coming decacdes?
Sure in a few decades new buildings might be pre-fabricated and largly done by robots. But how the fuck do these bots maintain and service existinf property? Turn your fucken brain on, you're dumb as dogshit kys you neet fuck.

>>9034221
It will fuck up your health.

>>9031759

>hang with their peers and smash pussy

Y-y-year I totally remember doing that.

>>9031902
Train an actual monkey to do all of those jobs and pay them in bananas. Done. All of those brainlet tradefags get btfo

Joke's on you.
I'm an artist and whether my job gets automated or not is irrelevant because I'll never make any money either way.

Nepotism is great live on USA.

>>9031968
>>9032049

is anyone else legitimately worried about this? this shit keeps me awake at night, I just hope im never in a situation where its up to me to stop an AI but risk angering the basilisk

>>9031750
this
EY is investing in AI to replace 70-80% of their workforce because bean counters are useless with sophisticated automation

As an aircraft mechanic I have yet to see my job become at all automated. In fact, as planes become more automated and complex our workload increases.

>>9031721
Jokes on you. Automation doesn't scale down efficiently. Anyone with a trade that can make things in small batches is set for life.

>>9031897
Diagnosis is literally 10% of the job of a doctor, 90% is talking to the patients, doing medical procedures, checking the aftercare and most importantly: paperwork.
Only in Dr House you see doctors spending days crunching on a diagnosis for a patient, it's the 1% of the cases.

It's pretty much the same thing for lawyers: communicating with clients, contacting other people to get pieces for your cases or discuss settlements, etc... takes the majority of the day, actually analyzing a contact to see if it's compliant with the law or building a defense takes very little time in comparaison.

If you think some IA will come and make doctors and lawyers obsolete in few years because they can do some decision making based on percentages on symptoms or contracts you are deluded.
Ironically it's all the things that have very little to do that medical science or law and that doctors/lawyers hate that will keep them in the game.

Now there are some jobs like radiology that will probably soon involve IA but when you are gastroenterologist there is fuck all a software can do for you at the moment beside analyzing stools.

>>9031721
I think you just described teachers and cops not tradesman

>>9031750
except that when Deepmind's AGI comes within the next 5-10 years then the rate of accelerating returns kicks in and it's game over for all jobs