/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>8946810
reminder Musk is an actual con man and Tesla will be bankrupt in 3 yrs

Space X is OK, although it's private for a reason

what has this guy done that he’s always in the news and shit? is he just a media whore?

>>8946862
>space X is fake anon

>>8946862
>>8946883
>>8947371
>Sends a car into space with a rocket that lands itself
>builds viable electric cars bigger than golf carts
>greatly increases efficiency and reduces cost of solar energy generation
>a con man

>>8947482
>Viable
>Has yet to have a profitable quarter

>>8947482
>Sends a car into space with a rocket that lands itself

that was a publicity stunt pandering to the reddit crowd. unironically kys

going to be the biggest company in the world in the next decade. cap this.

>>8947793
Nice job ignoring all the other bullet points, idiot.

>>8948035
the other two where you just like his cars? they’re overpriced meme cars lmao

I can't help but like Elon. At first glance he seems like Reddit Incarnate but then he does stuff like making flamethrowers. I think he plays the reddit crowd like a fiddle because he understands how they work. smart man

>le produce stuff man

>>8946862
>reminder Musk is an actual con man and Tesla will be bankrupt in 3 yrs

>>8948153
>overpriced

they sell like crazy and you save a lot on maintenance and fuel

>meme cars lmao

so no other arguments then? ok fuck off

Nice balance sheet, Elon. Totally worth 50 billion.
>But MUH GROWTH
>MUH NEW PARADIGM
lol no

>>8949284
you’re argument is you think his meme cars are cool, so why should I construct a counter argument to your shitty opinion? I don’t care that much.

>>8949284
the cars are shit because
>overpriced
>low range
>restricted by software
>expensive battery that needs to be replaced
>even lower range if you live some place cold
>freezing during winter
>a meme

>>8949383
and the fact that they literally try to kill you by driving you into walls

>>8949334
I think he has other investments too.

>>8949419
this
and all the extra precautions emergency responders and bystanders have to adhere to in order not to get killed or electrocuted when approaching a crashed electric car
and the fact that the battery is basically a bomb waiting to happen by basically any significant impact to the car

>>8947500
Good, I hope more people patronize innovators. The idea that a tech company needs to make money has held us back decades.

>>8949342
If you don't care then fuck off like I told you to. Also not my opinion, but that guy's post said more than "hurr I liek hiz cars"

>>8949383
>overpriced

Why? Thoughtful answer citing comparable cars, taking into account running costs would be appreciated.

>low range

What do you consider "low" and why is this meaningful to the average driver?

It seems like for most purposes it is fine and with the expanding supercharger network it will not be an issue.

>restricted by software

What does this even mean? Your phone is probably "restricted by software" - does that mean you should flush it?

>expensive battery that needs to be replaced

Combustion engines also degrade with time and use.

>even lower range if you live some place cold

How much lower? Please provide sources.

>freezing during winter

lolwut?

>>8949419
Yes cite one of a handful of examples where it causes harm (invariably because the driver did not use it properly) and ignore the dozens of times it saved lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGe0GiiFzw

>>8949538
I bet your YouTube feed is full of Elon Musk. What a tool.

>>8949606
kek

nice thread guys

>>8949538
>overpriced
The Model 3 is affordable. The Model S and X are both very overpriced. Construction and quality control is not up to par for vehicles around the $100k range.

>low range
If you drive the car hard or fast the range drops exponentially. Not a problem for some people, big problem for others. I live in Texas where you drive fast in blazing hot temperatures, neither of which an electric vehicle likes. Superchargers are currently unheard of outside of major metropolitan areas. There are multiple stretches in Texas where there isn’t a supercharger within 600 miles.

>restricted by software
Terrible argument, all cars are restricted by software. Nonsense.

>battery replacement
EV batteries do not last nearly as long as well built ICE engines. People have predicted you’ll need a new battery cell as early as 50,000 miles. I don’t know if that’s true or not but it’s what I’ve read. Very expensive replacement.

The rest of his arguments are also nonsensical.

>>8949538
>that guy's post said more than "hurr I liek hiz cars"

no it didn’t. he made no point other than liking that it’s an electric car. you both fell for the meme. could’ve got something real nice for that price, man.

>>8949670
>Texas
theres your problem

>>8949538
>What does this even mean? Your phone is probably "restricted by software" - does that mean you should flush it?
of course.
t. /g/entooman

>>8949538
>What do you consider "low" and why is this meaningful to the average driver?
315 miles is low range when basically any comparably priced dinosaur car will do at least double that
>It seems like for most purposes it is fine and with the expanding supercharger network it will not be an issue.
supercharging your battery basically destroys it, rate of degradation is increased significantly
>What does this even mean? Your phone is probably "restricted by software" - does that mean you should flush it?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/irma-tesla-florida-electric-cars-greater-range-evacuating-hurricane-flooding-a7940091.html
>Combustion engines also degrade with time and use.
not even comparable in terms of cost to electric cars
>How much lower? Please provide sources.
about 50%
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/522496/electric-vehicles-out-in-the-cold/
https://www.lithiumpros.com/how-does-cold-weather-affect-lithium-batteries/
and from tesla's owners manual "Temperature limits: Do not expose Model S to ambient temperatures above 140° F (60° C) or below -22° F (-30° C) for more than 24 hours at a time."
>lolwut?
no warmth from the engine meaning you'll either freeze or have to use additional charge for heating

>>8949342
>you are argument

>>8946862
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>>8947482
> greatly increases efficiency and reduces cost of solar energy generation
That didn't take any of Musk's companies though. They are just good at utilising it.

his companies all run on gibs, it's not very exciting to watch when you know everyone is indirectly subsidizing it. I guess you could say the same about any bluechip though.
At least it's not facetorah or jewgle

>>8949825
autocorrect on my meme phone talking about the meme car

>>8949825

>>8949197
it's like you hate having stuff anon

>>8946810
I just wish he'd ship my damn flamethrowers so I can dump them for Monero

>>8947482
>>greatly increases efficiency and reduces cost of solar energy generation
Really? Any info on this? Otherwise I call BS

>>8947793
Kek.
>>8948035
What about really investing that money instead of wasting it on incredible expensive marketing??? I would trust a company that expend like that. Thank to God most investors buy what media tell them to buy and let big fish the good deals.

>>8949284
Toyota and Volkswagen sell like crazy.

>>8946862
>people are actually pre-ordering and waiting in line for new tesla models like it's a phone
it wont bankrupt

>>8949606
>projecting THIS hard
mother of moot

>>8949523
EXACTLY THIS.

>>8949670
not everyone lives in Texas

>>8947823
The Boring company will unironically be the biggest. They are positioned to be the first off-world mining corporation. Just think about that for a second.

>>8949419
>>8949514
I'm on 4chan so I don't have to be reasonable.

You people are fucking deranged, this fucking pathetic desperate attempt to discredit using a hugely marginalized event and playing it up like a general case. Like how fucking scared are you of success and change to turn out like this? fuck.

>>8949523
>company doesn't need to make money
>doesn't have to focus on developing products and technology that people actually want in order to earn money
>becomes totally disconnected from the public
this is how we get companies like juicero, and partially why google's services have been getting progressively worse and more unintuitive with each passing year
venture capitalism is totally fine—but, it is important that the money that funds things should be earned, and not come from taxes