/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>8887673
>i got plenty of time

>>8887673
8 months neeting it up, couldn't be worse

>>8887673

I got my first rejection email yesterday.

>>8887676
do you ever read the rejection email on your phone when you wake up and then just sleep the rest of the day?

Graduating this fall. Just landed an internship with a commercial real estate company doing data management.

>gave up on trying to find employment in the field
>just applied to everything I could
>took what I was offered
>used my skills to do my job better and quicker
>employer is amazed
>moved out of shit tier job to become "the computer guy"
>negotiate salary commensurate with impact on business operations

From start to finish (in writing) in 3.5 months. Just gotta take a gamble sometimes and be ready to shine.

>>8887679
This, take a chance OP, once your career takes off you will laugh and feel like 6 months was nothing

>>8887673
The fact that you're still using meme frog in 2018 isn't looking good for your ability to find employment.

>>8887673
Same

Just got hired feels good

>>8887678
What are you graduating as?

>>8887673
Just got a job at IBM 10 months after graduating.

>Graduated last year, only offer I had was with the place I interned at
>We don't have any direct positions available so we'll have to hire you as a contractor and make you permanent when the hiring situation improves
>It's been almost a year, still a contractor
>They're interviewing others for direct positions but won't even consider me
>Still no job offers anywhere else
This is not how I wanted it to turn out.

>tfw got hired as a tech for $16/hr with just a few comptia certs
lmao'ing at all you good goys right now

>>8887686
If you're in the US, you should start finding out what your department of labor says about contractors. In a lot of places, keeping a contractor in the same position past a certain length of time is a no-go. Depending on the work you've been doing, hours you've been expected to keep at the location where you do your work, etc., it may not be legal for them to keep you on as a contractor anymore and instead afford you proper full-time employment. Or shit can you.

Ok mates, how do I fake it out to get a system admin job?

>>8887673
You're supposed to be doing all the networking during your time in uni. That way you'll have easier time finding jobs.

>>8887689
Fake study sysadmin tasks, and fake learn them until you can fake do them easily.

I got rejected from amazon mechanical turk

I still don't understand how that's even possible

It took me 6 months after graduation to get an offer and now I do full stack work for $80k
Don't get discouraged.

>>8887673
>inb4 hotpockets nuke thread because they're clueless dicks
Going back to school this summer having changed my major to Accounting, minor in digital forensics. Just applied to another student job in the IT financial department that would have me doing accounting shit basically.

I don't really know what else to call it but fortune if I even get an interview, much less get the job. I have confidence in my resume, but I'm scared that I'm going to be overlooked in favor of a """""diversity""""" hire named Rajesh or Abdul or Clara.

>>8887687
Wtf is comptia

>>8887691
I can learn about them m8, but the problem is LYING on the job interview and CV when they could ask for proof of the title or a number to call to check past job exp .

>>8887688
I'm not an independent contractor, I work full-time for an engineering company that has me assigned on contract to the company that I actually work at. I get full-time pay and benefits and all that, it's just that I technically work for this other company that has nothing to do with me and doesn't give a shit about me and I get worse benefits than the direct employees do.

A large portion of the people at the place I work at have the same contract arrangement, but I'm the only one in my department who's a full-time contractor. The other contractors in my group are some old dudes who retired from the company and draw their pension while also contracting part-time which is obviously a different situation from mine.

>>8887695
vendor neutral certifications

>>8887694
How good is your resume, which major were you in before and why are you changing?

Sent my first application in a few weeks after graduating, got a job 2 weeks later.

Better late than never anon, it moves rather slow, but a day is all it takes for opportunities to fly away.

I did a placement year as part of my degree and got a job offer with the company for after graduation, which I accepted. I'm starting there at the end of July :^)

>>8887687
>tfw got hired as a tech for $16/hr with just a few comptia certs

ohhhh certs, for $16/hour they got their money's worth.

>>8887681
>>8887682
Stop lying to OP. We send frog memes daily to one another at work.

>>8887698
I suppose most employers won't recognize or want those and would actually prefer Cisco and Microsoft certs?

>>8887699
My resume is pretty damn good for where I'm at right now experience wise. Prior major was Info-Eng Technology but I just got sick and tired of it all, the program and the classes I was having to take, plus my prior student job as a tech was becoming monotonous and grating having to deal with the fucking customer problems day in day out. God, I hate the fucking ticketing system. I work best as a bench tech. I can communicate with customers fine, but I fucking hate doing it.

I dropped out last semester because I hit a boiling point and needed a long time coming break. A couple months ago, the decision just came to my mind that I should switch to Accounting. There really was no logical reason behind it, but I've always had a somewhat keen interest in the financial aspect of things, but that always took a back seat to my technological side.

At this point in time I'm hoping to get a formal education in a financial side of things but keep a practical experience in tech going as well. Supposedly the two should mesh together nicely in the coming future, or so I hope.

>>8887703
Whatever you say grandpa. Still posting top text/bottom text impact font memes too I bet.

>>8887704
Cisco certifications are the absolute diamond standard in terms of certification. Having Cisco certs CCNA and above makes you almost insta-hired, specifically in the networking world, but also in closely related spheres as well.

>>8887704
really depends. only familiar with sec+ but heard good things about a+ and net+. unless the position you are applying for has a hard requirement for a certification I wouldn't really worry.

i got hired w/o having any serious certs so im not crazy about em.

>>8887706
Nice trips.

Tell me more about how you're a cock sucking faggot.

>>8887709
>you're a cock sucking faggot
Look in the fucking mirror loser. Go back to Facebook where your memes are still relevant.

>>8887697
Go give your supervisor some hints on your situation. I've been on this before, I just kept hintig my boss every week until he finally gave me a head count, probably stolen from other department.

>>8887707
Yes, for those $16/hour jobs; meanwhile me with my MS degree is earning $100/hour.

>>8887712
Wrong.

>>8887707
> diamond standard
lol

So tired of seeing these retards showup. As someone who has interviewed multiple CCNA/CCNPs they're at best able to turn on a computer.

At worst they dont even know TCP/IP, cannot even subnet, barely have any idea the difference between layer 2, 3, and 4.

Shoot for CCNA/CCNP if you want to compete with a pool of retards who braindumped.

>>8887714
what would be your advice to someone who studied instead of braindumped, to stand out?

And for those undergrad who is not sure about your future, go bother your professor until he recognizes you, especially those with research projects. You will usually get a temp RA job doing intern-tier shit until you find a real job or be promoted to a real RA.

>>8887714
Either you live in fucking India, or you're literally getting the worst applicants through sheer luck or amazing coincidence. It's the same as every other job in IT. You look at their practical experience/history plus their education and then any supplementing certifications, in which CCNA and above are the markers of extra cream on the cake. Not to mention that employers love Cisco certification holders because Cisco does deals with employers that give them discounts depending on how many cisco certified employees they hold and what type.

>>8887711
I've been doing more than hinting for a while, but I've basically given up hope of having a future here long-term. They have the headcount now which was the excuse I was getting at first, but now the excuse is that they're using that headcount to hire one senior engineer position I'm not even close to qualified for and one for a development program for a career path I was stupid enough to admit I didn't want.

I just wish applying for jobs wasn't so tedious and hopeless, and I guess I've done a shit job networking.

>>8887715
Actually know the material lol.

Look, I hate posting on these because it turns into flame war. desu I should just realize they're bait by now.

IT Certs are MARKETING MATERIALS; they do the following:
> Make people buy materials to LEARN their product and thus consume it
> Promise the business MARKETING in return if they hire CERTIFIED candidates

I offer you two solutions:
1. Go to school for IT..... inb4 dont want to, etc.
2. Build a home lab... Get a job, then plateau your career when you cant get jobs in healthcare, finance because you havent went to school.

>>8887717
Good luck anon.

>>8887702
How is $16/hour bad? That's like $3,000 a month.

>>8887721
That's barely adequate for US I guess.
t. Third world shit hole, earning 3000 is literally King tier here.

>>8887718 retard see >>8887719
Cisco is no longer a product company; they're a buy up competitors and market our product company.

Anyone with half a brain can braindump CCNA/CCNP/CCIE.

If you take IT certs, the only thing you prove is that you're a certified test taker.

If your job pays for it, then sure why not. But as a career move? lol, good luck hoping that HR has any idea what the fuck any of the certs mean.

>>8887719
>1. Go to school for IT..... inb4 dont want to, etc.
you don't go to school for IT

interning at some hip fintech company this summer

good luck anon. just mass apply and (in my experience) dont bother with cover letters unless you have the time

>>8887677
:(

>>8887724
> you don't go to school for IT
example of someone who has never went to school, observe.

>>8887727
i clapped when i saw your name in the example post

>>8887723
>conveniently glossing over my whole post and deliberately misconstruing my words
You're really a dishonest motherfucker. PRACTICALLY speaking, Cisco Certs IN ADDITION TO a good practical and educational background shine you over and above the rest, if not for the PRACTICAL reason that

1. Cisco is THE dominant player by a large margin in the networking industry and thus dictate the rules (if you hadn't heard, Cisco's proprietary EIGRP got standardized not too long ago, so it might be fucking useful to actually know the stuff you're working on)
2. Again, Cisco is THE dominant player, and thus can afford to make deals with other companies by offering these programs with certification holders.

I never said that having a CCNA or above automatically qualifies you or signifies you know what you're doing, I said it makes you almost insta-hired for the practical aforementioned reasons.

How qualified you actually are are dependent on your PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION.

>>8887710
I hope you're not implying that highly compressed images with black text on a white background above a reaction image are any better. Normalfag memes are shit.

>>8887713
Someone's jelly.

>>8887725
You can modify the cover letter such that it looks tailor-made.
The usual move is 'I would like to join the company as an *position name*, as I am interested in pursuing my career in *whatever* engineering field, where I find the *their program name, such as graduate engineer program* is a good opportunity to start.'

>>8887673
I finally got a job and my life together but I'm pretty bad at retaining wealth. I live frugal and save almost half my pay despite rent etc, but I end up buying expensive items to further distract from my lack of fulfilment. I've managed to save $3.5k but I'm 24 and feel like I should have a lot more.

>>8887729
> packet tracer
> web based learning
> braindumping the tests

Yea, you're so smart.

EIGRP is dead, OSPF is used by the big com providers. If you think it's not you have yet to work for an ISP. Come back when you have real world experience.

> CISCO IS THE DOMINANT PLAYER HUR HUR
Yea, no they buy up their competitors and sell piece of shit hardware that cant even compete with the likes of hardware such as FortiOS or pfSense. Get the fuck out you god damn pleb.

> How qualified you actually are are dependent on your PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION.
I agree, and CCNA/CCNP aren't educational material at all.

But since you're so keen on showing me up, and since you seem to be an expert, how do you pair two BGP backbones? I'm waiting. I want commands. This is stuff you learn in the CCNA.

>>8887721
At 40 hours a week that's $2,560 before taxes, compared to my $16,000 a month, big difference there guy.

>>8887673
I already have a job. everyone wants senior level positions, with 5 years experience in a bunch of frameworks specific to those languages. it's making it very difficult to move to another language in the field.

>>8887734
>sell piece of shit hardware that cant even compete with the likes of hardware such as FortiOS or pfSenss
are you a "the sysadmin" at a 10 person company or something?

>>8887735
Really depends where you live too. I grew up in Wisconsin and $16/hour can get you pretty far. But here in DC? Fuuuck no.

>>8887673
i gave up on getting anything computers related so I am currently getting my shit together so I can be an English teacher, I am Mexican, btw.

>>8887673
heh, just got a job in fast food
maybe one day you could get to where I am

>>8887673
>PHP/Laravel programmer (learned by internet and some pdfs)
>19 yo
>Create a twitter clone and an instagram clone
>Mom told me to get a fucking job because i'm a fucking neet
>Send an email to a company
>"yeh mom, i... i sent a lot of cv's by internet"
>2 days laters
>open gmail
>"Hey anon, we like your portfolio, how much would you like to earn?"
>1300k
>"Ok anon, could you get to our offices next monday?"
>WTF, I'M NOT READY YET
>i never answered.

yes, i'm pretty retarded.

>>8887737
When you buy Cisco products you're paying for the support you god damn retard. Last I checked their 10GbE port was $25k; yea, worth it isnt it?

I've worked for hosting providers; we run our own routers with our own routing OS (guess what FreeBSD/Linux do this well) . Inb4 routing is so hard without Cisco? If you think you need cisco to do routing you dont know how to engineer networks. Come back when you do.

>>8887673
I had a phonecall with the CTO today...try as much as possible to avoid talking about their background and qualifications because they are all defensive fickle snowflakes.

>>8887742
>Inb4 routing is so hard without Cisco?
actually that's the exact opposite camp i'm coming from
cisco's switches are the only ones to buy when you're only allowed 5 minutes of downtime per year

>>8887744
> because CARP and layer 2 reliability is so hard

>>8887741
Just call them and said you were on vacation.

>>8887745
you sure are sensitive for only having work experience in insensitive environments, sysadmin

>>8887746
i don't do php anymore, i'm learning javascript and making some clones of famous websites.

>>8887747
Semi-true. I used to be a SA (that was 8 years ago). I'm now an SRE. If you cant keep your network equipment up you're doing it wrong. Stop building SPOF. If you dont know how to use shit like CARP you should be fired. Stop building unreliable solutions; and stop acting like your "network engineering" job is so hard; it's only hard if you dont know what you're doing.

>>8887734
Oh fuck off. I'm not going to get into a further pissing match with you in a battle of knowledge. I don't work in the networking field but I still know some who do at the high levels, talking with Cisco and OTHER companies directly to manage the deals. ISP's are not the only entities that run networks you fool. To claim that "big com providers" are seemingly the only networking entities that matter is purely disingenuous.

>Yea, no they buy up their competitors and sell piece of shit hardware that cant even compete with the likes of hardware such as FortiOS or pfSense. Get the fuck out you god damn pleb.
literally still doesn't change the fact that they are THE dominant player. Quality does not matter in this case.

>I agree, and CCNA/CCNP aren't educational material at all.
They're practical for when you need to know the equipment that you almost certainly will be working on. God damn, you sound like super aspergers dick waving elitist faggot

I'm done with you. You're a prick.

>>8887747
btw, 5 minutes of downtime is a lot; you should really get better equipment. I recommend investing in CARP software such as *BSD: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/carp.html

>>8887719
>2. Build a home lab...
gimme a junior level idea for a lab to do
please

not parts but just a thing to do
i'm getting rusty and don't have ideas, at least the hackerfags have vulnhub

>>8887750
> cant tell me how to configure BGP
> doesnt realize its easy
> whines like a bitch about to an anon
> doesnt know what ISP means
> doesnt realize that RFCs define networking, not CISCO

You're saying what again self proclaimed expert?

>>8887752
build a home server and install a hypervisor (kvm + libvirt); install as many server OSs that you can Unix side and tinker with them; break them.

I'm the guy this idiot is responding to btw: >>8887750

Legit not trying to be a dick here; but people get mad when you piss on their parade.

>>8887754
ur both dum

>>8887673
Hope you have 2 years experience in the field you want an entry level job in, because that's what all the postings require.

>>8887753
Shut the fuck up you disingenuous faggot. You're entire argument is predicated that literally everybody who will get into the networking field will start out and/or become the entire head of network operations, which is the ONLY case where you can do everything that you claim is the best method to do everything.

But guess what? When you're a junior admin or not in control of your network, you work with what you're given, and what your given in most cases is CISCO equipment. SO, what is the likely best method going forward? Learning CISCO and playing by their rules. AFTER the fact, once you are in control of your network, yes you can do anything you want and then you have a leg to stand on in this "argument".

Fucking autist.

>>8887714
So what do you suggest doing then to learn or to demonstrate that you have the knowledge (prior work experience)?


>>8887707
>>8887708
So Sec+, net+, a+ are the important ones?
Which one is the most sought after?
I've seen a job offer which even askes for Microsoft certs too.

>>8887712
What is MS? lel

>>8887751
>CARP software such as *BSD
>CARP
I think you got the letters switched around.

>>8887757
*predicated on the assumption

>>8887754
esxi has been pissing me off so maybe kvm will be more fun as a change
thanks for an idea project

>>8887757
> ad hominem all over

I'll give you an easy one expert; what is RFC 1918?

>>8887758
Suck up those IT certs if your job pays for them, if not school part time

>>8887759
Nah, it's provided in *BSD solutions (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc).

>>8887758
the important ones are based on whatever you want to specialize in. go read over some certs and if they cover topics that interest you then go for it.

>>8887762
>what is RFC 1918?
bullshit everyone ignores today cause classless rules

>>8887761
Don't use that garbage; iirc its limited to 8 or 16GB. Use KVM + libvirt, it's what is used by big hosting providers.

Debian Stretch and Ubuntu Server LTS libvirt implementations are good and can recommend. I've ran them at multiple orgs without issues on 1TB+ bare metal systems.

>>8887762
Again, autist.

>I'll ignore the crux of his argument and simply spout "ad hominem" and then try and pull another equally inane "technical" question to try and prove his worth somehow

This is my last post. Don't bother responding.

>>8887677
Wow is this /r9k/ I know that feel

>>8887764
desu I've actually worked at a shit co that did ignore it and had some of their IP space revoked.

>>8887766
You had good points anon, at least you tried.

>>8887766
Dude, this guy answered RFC 1918 for you: >>8887764

I know that the CCNA/CCNP aren't treating you well, but if you dont know that... Well sorry man I cant help you.

protip; orgs do not want to pay for cisco equipment, it's too expensive. I know, you think know what you're talking about, but you don't. When you get a job in tech (if you get a job in tech; and outside of helpdesk) you may learn this fact one day. But, you seem to be hard to work with (dont know how to learn from your mistakes etc) so you prob wont make it long.

Let me guess, entitled white boy who barely made it through college and wants a job now making 6 figures?

>>8887677
>went to job interview the other day
>they ask me lots of questions
>i can feel the HR person judging me
>the disappointment in his eyes
>the feeling that I am wasting their time
>finish interview
>go home and sleep all day
>they never called back

>>8887739
Teach spanish, or better yet go back to Mexico or whichever of the brown countries you came from.

>>8887771
to be honest, what they dont teach you in school is how to interview.

The technical questions are what you have to worry about because if the team doesnt like you, then you wont make it at all.

>>8887772
are you retarded? I am not in your negro country you fucking faggot, why would I teach English in the U.S.? choke on a thousand negro dicks and die, please

>>8887774
your response made me laugh lol.

What if he was going to teach it in Japan? lol

>>8887758
LOL, Masters Degree in Science you plebian.

>have literally 4 phone interviews
>get to onsite
>have a 2 hour long behavioural/technical interview with hiring manager and 2 senior engineers
>genuinely autistic, tell me how much they work, expect to put in 60 hours a week
>tell them im incredibly uncomfortable with that
>they get offended
>after this group interview they lead me to a room with a fucking proctor in it.
>hand me a laptop with some obscure linux distro on it, no tools installed, somehow doesn't even have fucking gcc (????)
>get told I have 90 minutes to write my own interrupt routine in C
>dude stares at me in complete silence the entire time
>incredibly autistic, get up after about half an hour and just leave
>had to drive 3 hours round trip to come to this place
>oh, also, hiring manager just took lunch in the middle of our interview
>this is all for some no name shop in rochester NY that pays senior engineers fucking 50k, entry level 20k

holy shit, some companies are really deluded

>>8887770
>Dude, this guy answered RFC 1918 for you
fyi i as the 'this guy' am just a quick bullshitter that hasn't even done icnd1 due to zero confidence in prospects due to threads full of people aping on how useless certs are

>>8887777
> doesnt even have gcc
> interrupt routine in C

Ok, the problem was? That's easy...

>>8887722
Depends on where. My current living expenses I could live on $15 an hour with a few hundred to put into savings each month

>>8887774
Good, stay where you are then, we don't need your anchor babies.

>>8887778
You could be, but i'd tell you that you should get that multiple personalities disorder checked out.

>>8887776
You're not making $100 an hour, and if you are it's probably part time contract work where you have to eat up most of it so it ends up being more like 60 an hour part time

>>8887677
This post is why I hate 4chan. I related too much with this.

>>8887779
I'm not talking about interrupt servicing, I mean literally writing an interrupt routine at the system level
>inb4 you still say it's easy

>>8887783
Not him, but $60/hr part time is still $80k/yr. Also, $100/hr is easy in a big city.

I just got my diploma in computing and I dont know any programming language even though they taught us plenty
I just cheated my way through the exams
I haven't started searching yet but I know that I am fucked.

>>8887673
Take an hour or so to write a CV. There are plenty of templates you can use, make it a single page that effectively show stuff like your education(s) and previous job experience.
If you are young and inexperienced, 1 page might seem like a lot, but it isn't.
Don't fall into traps like bragging about trivial stuff like "I know microsoft word" even if it is something they list as a requirement on the application.
It may be called for sometimes when the software is key to your training is the software (eg saying you are trained with inventor over cad in general, or a programming language over programming in general)
When you have written the CV, you will make changes to it as time passes, so store it in a way it is easy to access.

When you have a CV, it should be easier to have people who are headhunting you turn opportunities into a real job.
>b-but I don't have anything impressive to write on my CV
>b-but people are not headhunting me
Then do something to change that.

>>8887784
> I didnt get the job
> They were nice enough to send me a letter why
> Im going to pout all day

Literally seen too many people do this

>>8887786
60/hr is not 80k. An hourly rate assuming 40 hours a week every week of the year is always twice your hourly rate in thousands of dollars.

>>8887787
ya fukd urself anon

>>8887785
Then you aren't explaining the problem adequately. Writing a kmod and intercepting interrupts is easy. I like to think I know what I'm talking about as I've written drivers in assembly, but hey maybe not?!?!

>>8887788
>need experience to get experience
>"heh yeah what's the problem bro? just go get some experience if you need experience!"

>>8887783
I own an IT consulting company, not always full time but at the end of the week I'll always make more than you pleb.

>>8887786
I just don't believe anyone here is making 70 or more an hour. Especially not 100 an hour. If they post a paycheck or whatever and prove me wrong I'll eat a fart though.

>>8887794
And how much of that goes into your pockets at the end of the year? You obviously have lots of overhead if you own a company and you obviously need to expand and invest so are you really making that much more?

>>8887792
>"Heh I've done a thing literally anyone who works in embedded systems has done, bow down to my superior intelligence /g/"

>>8887787
Seen so many of these types in school. They're the type that "gets in the group" or tries to be friends "with the smart guy".

When there was group work always opted to be in a 1 person group.

Whenever someone complained about programming, made it clear that if you dont want to program in tech then you wont make it.

>>8887787
You are not supposed to eat all that by yourself.

>>8887795
>>8887794
Yeah this. I'm a fresh consultant and make something like ~60 an hour but if I could pocket even 50% of what we charge customers I'd be making a fuckton more.
Self employed consulting is the way to go if you want to rake in dosh.

>>8887795
I'm actually making $70/hr. $100/hr is easy (my boss is making double of what I am). So do the math.

>>8887741
god dammit anon do you know how many people would kill for such an opportunity?

>>8887798
idk man
im 25 years old
dont have time to read and learn code
just wanted my diploma

>>8887796
I'm the sole propietor and employee, so costs are low but I'm in a higher tax bracket than $16/hour guy.

>>8887803
Here is what I do know. As an SRE. If you cannot program even as a jr I wont hire you. I burn through resumes. The ones who do come in, if they cant program then I dont want you.

Old sysadmin types are dead. Sorry, it's about automation now. If you cant automate then go back to helpdesk and answer phones.

>>8887677

I try to use it as motivation, and tell myself God (or whatever spiritual force) has better plans for me.

>>8887804
Not him. The only thing you have to worry about is no healthcare and getting taken at court for your company and personal assets. Unless of course you were smart and created it as an LLC; but then again you probably do not want to pay double taxes?

>>8887793
>need experience to get experience
Everything you have been doing since birth is experience.
In a CV, you just list the relevant things in your past that might be relevant to the people who are about to hire you.
OP said he is about to complete his education, that is relevant experience.
What did you do while you got that education?
Did you work in the summers?
Did you study something interesting?
Did you intern somewhere?
Show that you are better than a 5 year old that learned how to google.

>>8887805
>he ones who do come in, if they cant program then I dont want you.
what programming languages are hip these days?
whats the demand?

>>8887809
The team I'm on, we do not care what language you use as long as "its the right one for the job". We mostly use python and go (aws shop makes Lambda integration nice).

>>8887808
tl;dr
SHOW, dont TELL.

>>8887809
C, C++, python, java and C#.
Learn twp of these and get good with those.
Hip is overrated.

>>8887810
>>8887812
whats the easiest?

>>8887813
python

>College dropout
>Socially retarded
>Tech companies want you to show them certs

So far it's been the Neet road. Trying to keep myself from doing something stupid.

>>8887815
so a diploma is not enough?
they need certs too?

>>8887813
Easy is the wrong way to look at it.
It is a profession. Spending time with it is what is important.
I have no idea why some people recommend python as the "easy" option, it is much harder to learn if you are not already a programmer.

Is it possible to go from SE to sysadmin without starting at helpdesk?

>>8887673
I have 2 years of experience and can't find a job.

OP you're fucked

>>8887817
is html enough to start?

I'm fucked. I've tried for two years and no lucky. Still no internship. It's summer now there's no way I find one in less than a month.
To be fair though due to the ridiculous course load I was only able to apply to 9 companies this semester. Interviewed for 2.

Maybe grad school will get me out of this grave

>>8887816

some people and other friends of mine wizards in this industry claim that certificates are even more important than a diploma. Thats what they mean by "equivalent technical formation", since y'know, the computer science degree lost so many points over the year.
They basically want people that will hit the ground running and won't ask stupid questions. The age of getting the job and learning over time is far, far gone.
It all comes down to the fact that a certificate proves better than a college diploma that one will be able to do the job and be productive from day 1.

>>8887822
Even better than both of those is nepotism/cronyism. We're rapidly approaching a point now where that will be the only surefire way to get a job. Qualifications are going to mean dick unless something gives or we move into an entirely new paradigm shift.

>>8887822
>>8887823
fuck you guys ruined my day
spent so much money on my diploma :(

>>8887673
>been programming for 9 years
>about to get my first job as a truck driver

>>8887806
I have a good CPA who does some creative accounting for me, and my assets are protected.

>>8887824
I'm sorry, man. All I can say is, welcome on board. We're all on the same sinking ship here.

>>8887824

It doesn't hurt to get a diploma, but you should keep an eye out for both. I'm graduating myself, but I'm not paying jackshit for my diploma and I've got quite a handful of certs over those last years of university.
If you enjoy what you do, and people notice that you enjoy and are good at it, they will invest on you.

>>8887823
It might be true depending on where you are. Personally, I've never struggled too much for a job anyway. But you must be willing to move to where said jobs are.

>>8887828
>handful of certs
how many?

>>8887829

I've got six, it's not many. Two of these are from Oracle, the rest is on technologies I'm interested in working with.
I sign up to anything that shows up and looks interesting to me.

>>8887830
fucking poser

>>8887673
Passed the phone interview, got called in for the first of two on-site interviews. As long as the technical interview isn't extreme and the security clearance goes well then I'm pretty damn sure I'll get in.

Need to apply to some other things just in case this one falls through, but damn I want this job.

>>8887830
i got 0 certs just a diploma and im doing quite well
all you need is a good portfolio

Can someone explain to me how are you guys not able to find a job in this time? There is a huge demand for people right now and there are much more places open then people available. I am from eastern Europe and even in this shithole the companies literally fight each other over hiring me. Are the USA so fucking fucked or is it just in certain areas? Or are you just the lowest of the low?

>>8887834
>Are the USA so fucking fucked or is it just in certain areas? Or are you just the lowest of the low?
yes

>>8887673
Tried going to a career fair yesterday. Had a bunch of copies of my resume printed out and made a list of employers to talk to. Then I got there and there were hundreds of other students there packed in around each other. There were lines to even talk to anyone and you had to squeeze between people to get around the room.
I know this is pathetic, but this really triggered my anxiety. I really get on edge in crowds, and hearing people confidently talk about their internships and accomplishments, which I have none of, made me realize how outclassed I am by my peers. I panicked and just fucking booked it out of there, without giving my resume to a single employer. Fuck.

>>8887834
Foreign posters need to be at least smart enough to learn a second language. Make of that what you will.

>>8887834
>eastern europe
You folks are still building your infrastructure. Of course there's jobs.

>>8887787
You can still learn, if you want to.

Was hired before I was graduated, bought a house after the first year. Pretty good desu.

>>8887840
IQ 200, penis 12 inches, and speak 8 languages too, right?

>>8887841
Yeah roughly

>>8887673
Clinic work is hard as.

>>8887681
>>8887706
Get out.

>>8887841
But honestly.. if you want to get hired make sure you know on what level you are competing. Find your strengths and interests and push those forward. Keep learning and working hard as a specialist whilst keeping in mind where the jobs are at. Learn a scripting language, a high level language and a low level language. And yes, in the end its also about getting lucky and your social skills.

>>8887844
holy shit I have't seen this image in ages

>>8887845
What if the thought of a programming job makes me want to kill myself

>>8887847
weave baskets faggot

Got a dozen offers this month, but I'm not gonna leave my current job for a deskbound quality control job. Plus I'm gonna buy an apartment in 2 weeks so now is not the time for change.

It's not that hard:

>be 23 years old
>graduate from school
>get a job immediately

I am a welder, 300k a year

Unironically working for a big german bank at 20 yrs. feels gud

>Send 1 application after being neet for a little over a year
>They call me to talk for an interview
>At least thats what I thought
>mfw he just showed me the work and the people
>The only thing we talked about was how much I'd like to earn
>mfw 37$ an hour

This is the third time people just accepted me without ever doing a real interview

Only once I really had a real interview. I declined on spot.
Just show or tell me a little about the work. About the company too maybe and what I did and like to do and thats it. Not going fucking into detail like im about to marry those retards.
Everyone just talks shit during an interview and tells lies where he can. Youre basically just trying to get shilled by the best retards.
Still I answered everything pretty well and he told me he really likes me. But I denied on spot because it was too retarded for me.

>>8888055
Burgerland wages really are out of this world

>>8887801
>So do the math.
Your boss makes 140 an hour

>>8887773
Here in the Netherlands they do

>>8887673
Decided to get off my ass and apply to places. Finished first round interview with a real estate asset mgmt firm that I think went well, waiting on follow-up for 2nd round

we're all gonna make it

Just got accepted at my internship
They will offer me a full time contract when I finish
Finally I can participate in capitalism
Dad, wherever you are I bet you must be proud now

>>8887673
Not hard to get a job.

Just ask people you know with jobs you would like to do to put a word in for you. Call their boss dont be a sperg. Get job ez.

>Been NEET for 12 years