/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>8857507
>What is approaching?
Zero.

>>8857507
Zero cent singularity, an instant dump to 0 satoshi

>>8857507
You do realize on Friday test.smartcontract which runs on Ropsten is being connected to the nodes; therefore, we will see nodes on Ropsten and most likely contracts this week.

>>8857670
the jive turkey warehouse is having a 3/5th's percoon sale this friday too. coincidence? unlikely.

>>8857767
Sauce?

>>8857507
>What is approaching?
Exit scam

>>8857507
it's going to negative 1000 EOY. for every link you hold, you will be legally required to pay sergey 1000 dollars in big macs

>attempts to keep the price down

Link doesnt have the volume for that

>>8857809
>come up with the first comprehensive plan for a decentralised oracle
>get ari juels on board to co-write the whitepaper
>get evan cheng on board as an advisor
>present at SIBOS
>present at SIBOS again, get data from barclays, bnp paribas, santander...
>become elevated into the elite tier of crypto, invited to conference after conference
>invited to SXSW as THE technical face of smart contracts
>github is humming along nicely, test coverage over 80%
>get more top tier talent on board
>be on the verge of changing the world, making billions, and becoming one of the faces of the blockchain revolution while completely changing the financial paradigm to lower barriers to entry and decentralised finance
>give it all up to exit scam.

Seems pretty likely, don't you think?

>>8857767
ooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhwheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee hot mamma call my pa, get the chickens down their birthday suits

I'm in deep. If this fails I'll lose 20k USD. My family would think I'm actually crazy for investing this much as they'd tell me I should be more cautious and just save money. Hope it all works out.

>>8857891
lol

>>8858063
I wish I could be in that deep..

You've done your own research yeah? (Or been spoon fed is acceptable)

>>8857891
delet this

The price right now is based on pure speculation. Which means the more FUD we can spread, the lower the price will be, the more we can keep accumulating until it actually blows up.

pls

>>8858063
I'm actually the same, anon. We won't fail.

>>8858063
You think thats insane. I took a 50k loan out, I didnt know any better and bought at the all time high. But I truly believe in the Anons here and they wont lead me astray.

>>8859306
so how many linkie you got? 50k?

>>8858063

I'm sitting on 76k stinky linkies right now at an average of $0.50. We're all gonna make it.

>>8859482
What do you do for a living?

>>8859518
computer engineer, embedded systems R&D

>>8859536
If I wanted to be both a mechanical engineer and a computer engineer, which would be better to do first?

>>8859552
Strange combination, but I would definitely choose computer engineering first.

1) You make more money to start with
2) The classes and some topics are more difficult
3) You will greatly improve your abstract thinking, which will only help your ME education as you learn things like statics and fluid dynamics

>>8859536

Tell me I will make it with 16k you filthy whore

>>8858084
lol? what do you mean lol? THATS ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY? FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU DIE MOTHERFUCKER DON'T EVER RESPOND TO ME LIKE THAT AGAIN FAGGOT

>>8859607
Realistically, my target for LINK is $15-30 EOY

If $200k - 500k is enough for you to make it, then yes.

I could also see $100 happening within the next 12 months.

>>8859607
20k is the minimum to make it.

>>8857507

Did you faggots not watch this? Fuck off this board with your shitcoin, it is worthless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1R7wFK9SwE

>>8859660
>expects neets to watch a 23minute video about chainlink fud when most people here can't even hold a coin for longer than 10minutes
nice try fag

>>8859660
I actually watched about 5 min of this once. The guy's retarded. I hope he makes a video after it hits $10 and mainnet goes live.

>>8857891
replace exit scam with
>autistic 4channers meme it to death by harassing potential partners with big mac and toilet memes

>>8859763
yeah except no

>>8859763
This is what I'm most concerned about desu fampai.

>>8857507
The linkening

>>8859816
then you're an idiot

>>8859831
Always a possibility

Never assume you're not the idiot

>>8859616
lol

>>8859622

Thanks. I'm holding till 2020, so EOY prices don't phase me as much. Have you thought much about long term price targets?

Connecting blockchains with each other and external data is more revolutionary than bitcoin. I'm hoping to see $1000, even if it takes 5-10 years.

>>8859595
Thank you for the input. For the longest time I wanted to do ME exclusively but I’ve come to understand if I want to have a competitive edge/stay relevant then computer science/engineering is almost inevitable. Thinking of trying to learn Python in my free time, maybe JavaScript after that, before I go to college full time in a couple years. Or should I just start learning C now? Basically my game plan is to double up in mech/computer science while my brother does materials science (primarily nanomolecules) + chemical engineering. Is this a winning combo y/n?

>>8860040
flush yourself down the toilet.

>>8859969
>Have you thought much about long term price targets?
It's so impossible to say. Given the use cases, kek only knows how high we will go. Assuming it all actually pulls together like it appears to be (and like my gut says), I don't think $1000 is out of the question, unironically.

>>8857507

LOL it's the exact opposite.

>>8860040

C++ is the language you want to learn if you aren't a brainlet. It encapsulates all important elements from Computer Science. Other languages like are easy as fuck to learn once you learn C++. Python is great and very useful but it shields you from things you'll eventually need to learn. Just bite the bullet and learn everything once.

>>8859763
but seriously did Ari post about mcdonalds and toilets?

My honest opinion is that Sergey fucked us hard and exitscammed.

>>8860115
nobody cares about retard's opinions

>>8859880
wise, other anon BTFO

>>8860084
>unironically $1000
come on now. link is my largest position but that's outrageous. $1000 is a meme

>>8860090

>>8860141
Lol nigga the whole market is a meme, we have robots literally making billions reading meme lines. So I'm bullish on memes.

>>8860141
people who truly understand the tech know that $1000 is a longshot and a ways off, but totally possible

>>8860115
he's not going to exit scam till $999.99

>>8860053
Very insightful.

>>8860100
Okay. Thanks again for the feedback. I’ve seen people recommend this path generally, seems like it’ll save a lot of time and effort in the long run,

>>8860159
kek

>>8860141

I'm truly thankful people like you will sell early. Thanks buddy. You'll be wealthy, I wish you the best. Not everyone can understand the implications of this project.

>>8860141
I realize it sounds ridiculous, but I have enough industry experience to understand how large international companies operate. If any new technology or strategy can save them a significant amount of money, it will be adopted. There are business leaders who make their names known within a company for being the person that finds these huge cost savings.

Smart contracts connected to the real world in a reliable way is as important an innovation as Ethereum's trusted computing and Bitcoin's decentralized trust network.

The richest companies in the world are insurance and investment firms. Smart contracts are a drop in replacement for many very costly processes in both of these industries.

If ChainLink actually works as its described, it will be adopted, and whatever the long term target price is will be absurd sounding now.

>>8860101
He abso-fucking-lutely did. Not mememing

>>8860171

It will be hard the first few months. One time I remember almost crying from frustration, but after 6 months you'll realize you have a much better understanding of CS than most people that "code" for a living. You have to be diligent though, and study/code everyday.

>>8860168
>1 trillion dollar market cap
yeah, right! totally realistic

>>8860040
>Thank you for the input.
You're very welcome. It's a big decision, but don't kill yourself over it. You have all the time in the world (as long as you don't fuck up your life/body really bad)

>For the longest time I wanted to do ME exclusively but I’ve come to understand if I want to have a competitive edge/stay relevant then computer science/engineering is almost inevitable.
For this reason, most ME's I've worked with in the real world end up learning some basic programming skills (usually in a language like Python). Most ME's also end up being "jacks of all trades" -- at least the good ones. A solid ME is a real godsend.

>Thinking of trying to learn Python in my free time, maybe JavaScript after that, before I go to college full time in a couple years. Or should I just start learning C now? Basically my game plan is to double up in mech/computer science while my brother does materials science (primarily nanomolecules) + chemical engineering. Is this a winning combo y/n?

If you're serious about learning real programming, there is no better language than C++. There's very little in the way of kid gloves, and as the other anon pointed out, it forces you to learn a lot of important things (not the least of which is build processes and toolchains).

Python is my go-to simple prototyping and workhorse language. Gain some familiarity with Linux as well (including some Bash) -- again, if you're serious about your competency/usefulness in the computing space. Windows will be dead in the enterprise world in 10-20 years, I'm fairly convinced. Most of the enterprise world uses Linux for important shit nowadays anyhow.

Godspeed, anon.

>>8860267
have any more things you wanna say to reveal how much of a newfag you are or are you done

>>8860258
>>8860271
Read "Effective C++" by Scott Meyers. Even after spending years as a programmer, it taught me so much. If you follow what he lays out, you will be a fantastic C++ programmer some day.

https://www.amazon.com/Effective-Specific-Improve-Programs-Designs/dp/0321334876

>>8860171
see
>>8860291

>>8859261
>>8858063
Same. I have 30k of my personal savings that I've invested. Everything I've read points to this being legit. They say the difference between and lunatic and a genius is whether they're successful. In any case, I'm prepared to hold for 3-5 years. I could even lose this money and be fine. I dont think that will happen with link

>>8860267

Market cap is a meme. Price is determined by utility and scarcity. Some Anon did the math yesterday and his conservative calculations (based on Sergey's statements) showed an enormous amount will be locked in nodes.

>>8860191
the $1000 meme is based on the idea that people will keep the supply locked in nodes.
only they won't. they'll sell like people did with btc and eth

that's a lot of chat >>8860186
because surely you won't sell a single one should we reach three digits

>>8860258
>>8860271
>>8860291
This is what I come here for. C++ it is then. I wish I had more to give back than stale memes. Hope you all make it brothers

>>8859595
Why learn all that bullshit and abstract way of thinking when you are going to die in a few decades anyway. Better to go through life as a brainlet

>>8860317
Everyone has a price, anon. There will be a tipping point at an individual level. If I'm not retiring off of my LINK sales, I'll stake. Once the value hits retirement level, I'll sell.

>>8860403

Ditto, hope you make it brother. C++ is beautiful and deadly.

>>8860291

Thanks, just bought a copy on amazon. I'm only only about a year in, so I really appreciate this recommendation. I'll buy you a shot at the Lunar Link clubhouse in 2031

>>8860403
Not to twist your head at all, but if you go ME you can teach yourself computer programming along the way. Programming is basically a necessity in these fields anyway, at least to do very well, and I think another anon even said that the most successful ME know computer programming. The difference is that if you go into CS as a degree, you'll know the theory better, but if you go with ME you'll only need to know as much CS as is necessary for you to apply to your work. Why waste time? Just go for your end goal.

>>8860302
>genius
>lunatic
you're a gambler and most likely retarded.

>>8859595
you fucking gay faggot, comp eng would be better so that you can use compuders to help you with your mech eng modules... take all the optional programming modules and use programming skills in ur reports ez pz. nigger

>>8860536
you're mom gay

>>8857507
we're going to 4600 and below

then, if news arrive, we shall moon

>>8860271
this is sort of me, I’m an electrical engineer, specialising in power electronics, but I’ve always had a deep interest in compsci and programming.

the most value I can add is at the intersection of those, amongst other things I develop our in-house simulation stack (Python) and other pieces of software infrastructure, like comms libraries and integration with the firmware build system.

these days in almost any engineering field, your ability to leverage computation to multiply your effectiveness is critical. I think I’m underpaid though, lol.

it won’t teach you bare-metal computing fundamentals, but Python is a very effective and widely used ‘glue language’ for simulation and scripting, and numpy provides native-performance vector math like Matlab, I honestly think the ROI is better in an applied field than C++.

>>8860473
I see where you’re coming from and I’ve thought about that as well. Based on what I’ve read basic CS is incorporated into most if not all ME programs so I know I’ll be exposed to it eventually. I guess the long and short of it is that I want to attain an equally high level proficiency in both disciplines and knowing what to learn first will make it a bit easier. My tuition is covered and I’ll have all my electives cleared before I even start so it’s more a matter of deciding exactly how I want to go about it. I’m probably overestimating my competence level.

>>8859306
RIP

>>8860531
Gambling implies luck. Speculation implies a bit of knowledge. I'm a speculator hedging on good information. Sergey's Relationship with Gosner of Docusign and Swift give me a lot of confidence. Of course, that's after considering the WEF's own speculation about the effect of smart contracts and the necessity of an Oracle.

>>8860680

> I honestly think the ROI is better in an applied field than C++.

This is true, there are definitely more jobs for Python devs than C++. Still though, C++ is very widely used and has great respect. Learning Python is a cake walk to learn for someone who has studied C++ for 2+ years.

>>8857507
For examples sake, I'll use Amazon. So Amazon could create a contract or simple wallet address that can receive payment in ETH or any ERC token. Amazon then uses their own ChainLink node to monitor that address. Whenever payment comes into that address, the ChainLink node would notify their API's saying address of X has paid Y amount of ETH. The node can then use an external adaptor to get the live price of Ethereum and then convert it to any currency on the fly, giving them the USD amount.

This would allow for the following use-case: You could send ETH to Amazon that is used for payment, does on-the-fly conversion rates and then notifies their API's.

That's all just with a single CL node.

>>8860738
stop rationalizing your bad habits.

>>8858063
100k all in here. I can live with the outcome whatever happens.

>>8860681
I think you're just concerned about performing well in your field, and you can probably rest assured considering the amount of deliberating you do about this. It is a big decision though. You can certainly do both degrees if you want, but why overdiversify? All that a CS degree will give you is the ability to reinvent the wheel, when you could just go straight to using the wheel as an ME. I say leave the theory to the people who love it and just learn enough to be able to do what you love to do.

>>8860777
Prove to me that LINK is a bad bet. I want your best fud. I don't gamble or buy scratch off tickets. Show me how this is gambling

>>8860767
if Amazon wanted ETH that is
if not they would need a third party buying the eth for usd

>>8860816
check my digits and nothing is certain until it happens, there for all you're currently doing is placing a wager.

>>8860816
>bad bet
>I don't gamble

>>8860865
That's a poor argument because it invalidates all action and offers no replacement. Nice try. Nothing is certain. Waiting for perfect information will leave you waiting for eternity.
The best investments are made while taking advantage of asymmetrical flow of publicly available information.

>>8860171
this. flush yourself down the toilet.

my dick approaching your girls pussy nigga

>>8859595
>More money

Nice try Computer cucks. Just signed a job offer for 80k starting and 100k in stocks over 5 years straight outta of undergrad. Do mechanical anon, I get to design shit to blast into space for a living plus computer is full of pajeets. Mechanical is the true masterace.

>>8860995
My statement doesn't invalidate any action, it may however reclassify every action as a gamble. Why do you require perfect information in order to act or assume that others require it in order to act?

I wasn't arguing whether or not chain link was a good investment. I was pointing out that your a fool for thinking highly of yourself for investing in it. It doesn't make you a genius or lunatic regardless of the outcome.

>>8861169
forgot pic.

>>8861208
that's just a no effort translation

"man is first what is thrown into a destiny, and the one to be concious about throwing himself into destiny"

>>8860790
>learn enough to be able to do what you love to do

This is sound advice. I’ll have to think more about it but I could definitely go down the wrong path and overdiversify unnecessarily. It’s not even about being more competitive as it is having a more well rounded understanding of the technology we use everyday. It bothers me that I don’t know how information systems or digital media actually works. I think my desire to become intimate with machinations is part of the reason ME appeals to me. Money is less of an object, I have enough experience in my own field that I’ll be able to find employment afterwards (milfag here) and my GI Bill to cover tuition, I’d like to find work in a different field though. I just want to make things. Like if I ever made enough money where I could reinvest and live off passive income, it would nice to open my own lab of some kind. Things like that.

>>8861245
yea, couldn't be assed to download the episode and make a pic.

>>8861169
I dont think highly of myself. The "lunatic or genius" line refers to how others will likely perceive anyone that invests in chain link (similar to people that invested in bitcoin). We are lunatics in their eyes if it flops and geniuses if it performs well. I dont think it's a genius maneuver. I just happened to be at the right place to find the right information. My comment was more about how people will perceive it. The context is that one of the replies I originally wrote towards was talking about how his family would perceive him

I wasn't advocating for perfect information either. Perfect information would be the requirement so that nothing is a gamble. I think that's a stupid way to live because there will almost never be perfect information.

>>8858063

I have just under 20k invested in crypto right now.

My family and friends also gave me money to invest in crypto which totals to about four grand.

It's all 90% into LINK and 10% into RCN.

>>8861473
Cool. then we can agree, you're a gambler.

>>8861539
Speculator

>>8859024
Shhhhhh.
Don't be sad it's over.
Be happy it happened.

>>8858063
Although you fell for the meme
Link is starting to show potential
The uptrend is real
People are buying the highs, not letting it dump which is annoying
Because i want to swing trade it and that cuts into my profits

>>8860141
Link holder here
If market recovers we will see $3 EOY
If market stays same, 70-80 cents EOY

Screen cap this and do NOT question my calls

>>8860253
Sauce? Makes me kinda excited

>>8861557
>semantics
sure fren, sure.

>>8860141

I used to think this, but it's not really. (EOY yeah probably but long term no).

ETH reaching $1000 was more of a long shot because we didn't know if smart contracts would catch on at all. Well they clearly did and now that we know companies want to use them the oracle problem is something that needs to be fixed. LINK is the first project that will fix it.

Because of that LINK reaching $1000 is far more likely than it was for ETH to reach $1000.

>>8861622
yes sir kindly thanks for the informations you provide
so mister L. Holder say 50 EOY?

>>8861622
Weak FUD

>>8861664
>Assigns definition to behavior
>mad that he's btfo by his own misapplication

>>8861625
I'll have to dig.

>>8861097
I'm sorry but there's no way you're starting at $80k a year in aerospace as a ME I unless you either have previous experience, you have your masters, or you live on the west coast -- in which case, $80k a year is about the right starting salary for an ME (which is about $60k on the east coast).

I currently make $130k a year in the midwest. My first job out of school was in government aerospace, and I started at 57k a year. That was about 10 years ago. You make way less in government work, generally, as an engineer.

>>8861788
I don't understand how was I btfo?

>>8858140
Different id but it's me. I did my own research and realized this is the missing piece. I've been in other threads saying the same thing because I'm planning on dumping my entire refund check into link as well which will make it 23k and then I have 2k more fiat I'm buying some. I'll be at 25k USD. I understand that if I lose everything it will suck and that's why I can't tell my family. They will ostracize me and probably start suggesting I should get counseling for impulsiveness or something which is like a knife in the heart. I don't believe in saving money it doesn't make sense to me. They have no clue that I only have 6k in my bank account. Enough for food and expenses. If they knew I was literally ALL IN...they would guilt me to sell I just know it. Believing in something this much is scary at times.

>>8860100
Is it feasible to self teach c++ and go on to be an employable coder in x language? I'm 27 and haven't been in college for five years, and don't have any intention of going back.

>>8861840
Hey, you seem smart, can i get a quick run down on EOS??

>>8861625
twitter.com/aridavidpaul/status/967152368872812544

>>8860316
Anybody have these calculations? Ignore pic related.

>>8861768
>>8861786
>weak fud
I am the master of the charts
the master of predictions and price growth

>>8862160
>ignore pic related

>>8861622
Holding link doesn't make you a good predictor, apparently

>>8861622
$0.25 EOW

>>8861842
You were though. You're trying to compare investing in crypto to shit like slot machines. Funnily enough, this says more about you being a retard who doesn't understand why people invest in this rather than anyone here "gambling."

>>8861934

Yes, I started programming at 27 too, funny enough. The problem with teaching yourself is that it’s easy to slack off and never really push yourself or learn anything. But if you can control that there’s absolutely nothing stopping you. I’m in a CS program and the older students are actually more competent on average than the youngins.

>>8862343
Not really, I was trying to compare investing in crypto to for example going to work. If your interested in a career you could consider both as investments. It doesn't stop the act of doing either as a gamble, no matter how calculated that act is.

>>8859616
lel

>>8861934

Also, to add: If you lack a degree, it will be harder to land an opening gig, but not impossible by any means. I know devs who make 6 figures that majored in Poli Sci. Sergey majored in philosophy lol.

Without a degree you'll have to work extra hard developing your portfolio and being competent. That's a good thing in my view, and it won't be hard if you genuinely love CS. Once you land that first job though, you're set.

>>8861593
link was never a meme faggot. only sub 80 IQ thought chainlink was a meme. anyone with enough intelligence to read a white paper and watch some fucking talks by sergey knows this.

>>8857507
1k

>>8857507
The singularity is upon us brothers, if you think it is too late to get in you are wrong.

>>8860100
I learned Javascript first and that helped just as much.

>>8862491
I'm also considering a 10 month back end program at a non-shit tier boot camp.

>>8862491
Ive heard CS is all about certifications...how exactly does that work?

>>8862412
"W-well I shouldn't have used the word gambling for an educated investment so I'll double down and say that e-e-everything is a gamble technically I guess haha! Even a career!"
You're retarded. Painfully retarded.

>>8862914
That was literally my point and you haven't really refuted it. why are you mad?

Linkpool about to release their whitepaper this weekend.

Its happening bros.

>>8860271

Most workstations I see still run either Windows 7 or Windows 10. What makes you think that will be gone in 10-20 years?

pic unrelated

https://github.com/smartcontractkit/zap

Whats this Anons? Just got added

>>8862603

You're a fucking idiot.

>>8863180
Just a copy and pasted directory originally created by uber within go.

It's a good sign that stuff is happening but don't look too far into it.

>>8862608

10 months? Wow.. most boot camps are bullshit but that sounds semi-legit.

>>8862820

You're thinking of IT

LINK is going to be obsoleted by EOS and BlockOne IQ. Just sold my entire stack and went all in EOS, EOS is the next 100x. Sorry marines.

>>8863128
most clustered dbs/apps run on unix

clusters in the cloud are the future

>>8861964
Honestly haven't read much of anything about it. Don't own any.

>>8862160
>>8860316
Might have been this one

>>8863469
>>8863490
Absolutely medical grade hopium
10/10 finest quality

>>8863336
See ya .. get out.

>>8863469
>>8863490
I don't want to believe