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> Be me. 28 years old
> try every career under the sun, 35 jobs in total, in three different states, from shit jobs to startups, all under the guise of self-improvement and to learn about business.
> read every self-help book and have attempted to apply them, only a few have stuck.
> during this time, attempt about 10 different companies. all fail due to autism.
> only thing im good at is writing music, facebook ads, and sales funnels. thinking about doing a youtube channel
> hate the idea of running affiliate clickbank scams just for money, or starting a "social media consulting biz" like every fucking dude. cant stand having students and already failed at running a blog.
> now a security guard due to horrible family, ostracized by family and most friends due to focus on trying to make it.
> just want to make it, don't even know what that is or who i am anymore.
> just want to give up, but i dont

i know...just need to suck it up. but i feel stuck, confused as to what i want, and just lost. i have fucked up and feel alone. im just sad and it finally hit me that all of my hard work and learning has been for nothing. i failed

>> No.8771171

horrible resume, not family *

>> No.8771334

We are the same person down to the music and YouTube channel. Will you by friend?

>> No.8771367

>>8771334
yes. maybe we were meant to make music on youtube, market it with fb ads, and then sell affiliate products. i just feel conflicted, as each day i jump between ideas and never stick down to one thing

>> No.8771374

>>8771157
what's your net worth?

>> No.8771391

>>8771157
Be me working in a family business.

AT least you did something even if you failed. You will make it. It's darkest before the dawn.>>8771157

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Read this one?

>> No.8771413

>>8771374
i have 3k in cash, 1k in savings, and 1k car. but no debt and no problems. i can turn this money into something

>>8771391
thanks anon for the words. i can make it, i guess i jsut had to tell someone

>> No.8771415

All in on ChainLink

>> No.8771427

>>8771403
i almost bought this but got distracted, but i will now

>> No.8771429

If money was truly what your chasing after you would of spend every waking moment working towards "making it". The fact that you haven't "made it" is because you're not addressing underlying problems that keeping you from dedicating all of your time improving a skill that can bring you a lot of money.

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>>8771171
stay strong anon, take time off when you need to and realize that those shitty experiences taught you more about business than you realize. reflect on why each venture failed and always work harder on the next one. i can't tell you you're guaranteed to /make it/ but you can't unless you go all out.

>> No.8771466

>>8771427
Can confirm. Read Peterson.

>> No.8771473

>>8771429
this is true, and mainly comes from jumping between ideas. i know that i could get small biz to hire me and run their fb ads, i could charge 1k a piece. then, something stops me, and says no, i should learn programming and build an AI startup, then something stops me and says i should be doing music on youtube, and i cycle between these three ideas never getting anyways until it drives me crazy. its the feeling of being attached to one idea, i guess a fear of commitment, or the feeling of missing out on the other stuff, is what causes this paralysis

>> No.8771496

>>8771441
thanks anon

>>8771466
buying right now

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>>8771473
I'm like you, but instead of music, I write stories and draw.
Currently working as a pharmacy trainee for <20k/year, wondering how the hell faggots like to pewdiepie and skrillex and shadman are making money as talentless hacks ...
Every person I've shown my stories to says they like em and adamantly demand I publish them, but I think my real problem is that I feel like I'll be casting my pearls out into the slop trough and will be stomped by the next wave of moneymaking faggotry.
I feel you, OP.
I think we need to get together and form discord for aspiring /biz/ness people or something

>> No.8771718

>>8771675
man is that your artwork? thats awesome. have you ever tried animation?

>> No.8771797

>>8771675
The latest Lapps allow you to receive crypto payment for digital content including books, images or articles.

I think creative types will be the first to bypass taxes with crypto (besides drug dealers)

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>>8771718
It's my art.
I went to a meme school for animation back in 2009-2011 in San Francisco and quit because it was either end up working for Nickelodeon or work for Disney.
I also got booed out of my business classes for expressing that I wanted to make money and not get an art degree for 'fame'.
Fuck man, I have a 20 page story drafted out for pic related, but seeing as the entertainment industry caters to sjws and autistic trash, I'll never make it.
You and I will probably die Picasso-style and wind up being worth millions after we're dead...

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>>8771157
You got this, OP. Don't give up! <3

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>>8771797
Please explain Lapps, I bet me and OP would make a killing.

>> No.8771887

>>8771829
https://cryptoinsider.21mil.com/a-guide-to-blockstreams-week-of-lightning-apps-lapps/

I am not a creative type. But I am very frustrated at how stupid everything is.

All news is just a combination of paid for propaganda outlets with advertising to people who don't have a job. My time is worth quality content. I am seriously hoping this spawns a new era.

Imagine sorting by WordPress news articles that received the most purchases per day? No clickbait shit. No Pewdiepie shit tier entertainment.

>> No.8771907

>>8771829
If that is original artwork you seriously need to do something about it anon

>> No.8771922

>>8771819
man your artwork is incredible. you should start a youtube channel and just talk about your artwork, what kinds, and how tos. you would get millions of views, take those views and funnel it in an email list and sell a course on how to draw. there is lots of money to be made in this.

>> No.8771933

>>8771829
here is some of my music

https://soundcloud.com/willtheconqueror/boy-from-space-rough-draft2a

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>>8771887
Fucking awesome, thanks for the link, anon!
Reading things like this give me a shred of hope in these dark times.

>> No.8771958

>>8771157

"Making it" at this point sounds like getting your life in order vs becoming some fantasy version of yourself. You should go to church and get some help.

>> No.8771967

>>8771824
thanks anon

>> No.8771991

>>8771933
Everything needs to change. I'm just finishing "The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age"

Everything will change soon and you will be better off than many I think.

Just keep going.

>> No.8771993

>>8771157
Your 28 dawgy, just give it another go. It took Alan Rickman till he was mid 40s to get a real acting career started. You'll be just fine just keep trying.

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>>8771922
Thank you, I just never have any time to do anything with all my wagecucking to make ends meet. I haven't drawn anything in months and grow more despondent when I see shit like Rick and Morty making millions.
I guess I can cut out my excuses and get to monetizing my shit. I'm tired of letting my talents rot while I make thousands per day for my corporate overlords

>> No.8772052

>>8771933
Nice and chill. Have you considered setting up an account with audiocoin? I would be happy to drop a coin per hearing for many artists out there, but right now everything is free...

>> No.8772067

>>8772015
yeah, all it takes is one video after another, and before you know it, you have an audience that likes what you do

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>>8771907
All mine.
I haven't updated in a loooong time, but here's a sample of my stuff:
https://amishmechanism.deviantart.com/gallery/

>> No.8772107

>>8771933
Not bad, I dig it. If I heard it while playing a game or something I'd think to myself "this song is pretty good".

>> No.8772111

>>8771157
>>8772015
if you're into music or art and want to be involved in something decentralized and badass, i'd definitely recommend Cellarius: https://cellarius.network/

you basically create the canon for a dystopian sci-fi universe through decentralized curation/voting/whatever

>> No.8772120

>>8771991
i know once dapps gets big, that could destroy everything and start paying content creators their fair share.

>>8771993
thanks anon

>>8772052
nah but ill check it out. there seems to a weird barrier in my head - that i am so used to giving it away for free that getting paid for music seems absurd

>> No.8772248

>>8772107
thanks, i havent written in a while once my studio went down, but im rebuilding it now. apart of me just doesnt know which path to go, sometimes i think all the options including music are wrong. plagued by indecision

>> No.8772277

i am going to read the audiobook of mastery by robert greene. i feel that im at a pivotal moment where im about to get success, its just my current ideas give me no excitement, no passion. even music :\. i feel that i was meant for something much bigger and maybe qualities of all those jobs are supposed to meld into something. i dunno, but i feel tha ti will have the answer. i recommend it as i am listening to the free audiobook on youtube

>> No.8772296

>>8771157
No shit youre failing at life. U cant commit to anything it seems. Just looking for instant gratification. Oening a business is a sacrifice. Its fucking difficult youre just a pussy

>> No.8772387

>>8771829
reminds me of johnny the homicidal maniac. Try harder to either montize content through social media or try to get a publisher. You probbly havn't even asked. ask 100 and see what happens. What have you got to lose. start an insta tonight.

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>>8771403
this.

you can even get it for free if you sign up with Audible via Amazon.

>> No.8772686

>>8771157
I have a very similar story to you
>be me 29
> into music since 14
> in college, intern at massive record label (no job)
> play in band, make beats
> make music video
> get 3 songs on TV shows (Fox and 2 other channels)
> get like 300 from each placement, but nice dopamine rush
> start small businesses trying to make it like apps, websites, etc.
> all of those fail
> end of depressed and hate myself because eat breathe sleep music but not where I want to be
> get mixed up with bad people and be in "illegal" situations
> get out of situations
> find crypto, make some gains
> move back home to figure out what to do with life

I am in the same boat as you. Did some cool things, but not like I wanted to. My dreams never came true, and it is a bitter pill to swallow. I also have worked a shitload of jobs.

I bought the Jordan Peterson book. I am also reading a book called The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck and it's bretty gud. opened my eyes.

Basically, I think guys you like and I, there are a few things going on that I have thought about through introspection:

1) We're entitled. We think because we have done all these great things and are SOO skilled compared to our peers, we deserve greatness. Truth is, we aren't as great as we thought.
2) We felt like failures due to harsh parental criticism, so are constantly trying to be successful to please them. Basically, we didn't feel appreciated and thus we chase this as a coping mechanism.
3) Our brains have become addicted to dopamine, making it harder to focus MORE hours to a skill. I'm helplessly addicted to porn and crypto. We need to focus on ONE thing, and get GOOD. That is the only way to make it. Jumping from idea to creative endeavor etc at this point isn't going to work if YOUR MIND ISN'T RIGHT. You're at the bottom now. Time to start learning, and bettering you. This is a good thing that you feel this way, because you are aware of what you need to do to improve. First thing is reading

>> No.8772815

>>8772686
well said and spot on. i am coming to terms with that fact that even though i can list all those "accomplishments", i didnt actually do shit with them. so thats a good and bad thing, good in the sense that i never actually failed, bad in the sense that i wasted time instead of becoming the best at something. i feel that im at a crossroads now because while i have average skills at almost everything, i feel bored because like you said, no dopamine rush because once you dabble in everything, you automatically presume assumptions about an industry because "you did something with it in that field" or something. like shopify. you immediately think of shopify - you know to find trending niches on canopy, base your store around this in a specific niche, create one pages, run facebook ads to free offers, free offers leads to email management/sales funnels and email management is tedious work. then your brain goes - do i really want to be selling drones and shit? how would my peers look at me if i were selling sewing machines?

i am just stating this out to show the immediate correlation the brain makes that causes this trap, when in reality, it's all in the head. i say i should do music on youtube, but i just dont really even care. the only obsession i really have is mastering facebook ads and making money. i guess i should just sell that and scale up.

>> No.8772821

>have no creative interests
>see this thread
>become inspired/jealous

It's better sweet. Literally all I'm interested in is financial markets and normies think I'm autistic. I can't draw because tremors, and I don't find music fun, and I'm not am athlete. I spend days learning skills that socially cripple me the more I learn. Kinda sucks mates

>> No.8772837

>>8772815
>>8772686
Wow this is me. I'm focusing on programming right now as my main thing, putting in about 6 hours per day.

>> No.8772861

>>8772686
Damn anon. All of you guys are reminding me of myself. Except I have no achievements to boot, and little experience. i have thought about it a lot and you're right. I want to prove something I guess, and certainly am entitled and skewed in my thought processing. The lack of discipline is a killer, and stops one from commitment to any particular thing, including relationships and promises.

Somehow I need to figure out how to be disciplined and I think the answer is a simple 'just fucking do it and do it consistently'.

>> No.8772878

>>8771157
Same boat kinda, joined the military at 23 since I was broke, dead end job, failed start ups smoking weed all day etc but you were smart enough to keep away from debt and not take the easy way out like join the mil. I believe in you Anon.

>> No.8772879

don't chase your passion. chase opportunity. -mike rowe.

>> No.8772890

>>8772861
I thought I was the only one with consistency issues, i just want to take adderall but that’s not the right answer

>> No.8772891

>>8771157
Buy BAT or BNB if you want to make it big

>> No.8772937

>>8772815
Yeah man. Truthfully, we have it all wrong.
This video is interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIMu1PGbG-0
Somehow, our brains that interpret positive feedback loops are wrong. We have become smart enough to dabble in things yet none of them become fruitful. (as I have as well like you, seriously, music production, releasing apps, music videos, crypto, selling online, creating fashion apparel, etc.) I've done so much shit yet I'm still a piece of shit. I don't know man. I don't know anymore.
I think a good thing right now to do is learn. That's what I am trying to do, with videos like I posted, or those books I put in my earlier post. Something about our brains are GOOD (i.e. good at learning things) but WRONG (i.e. not succeeding). Where did it go wrong? Is it pointless to ponder it, and just let go and move forward?
>>8772837
Funny I am trying that too. Definitely not as many hours as you. What keeps you going to do so many hours? What language are you learning?

>> No.8772944

>>8772890
I tried vyvanse, it doesn't solve the issue. The issue is mental I believe. It just gets you feeling like you can do shit, but the lack of consistency is just the same, except more intense too. There is no quick fix I'm afraid. May just be physical, but aparently my brain shows no anomalies. Likely purely mental, probably a byproduct of fear of failure, shelteredness, and not wanting to leave a comfort zone.

I wanna figure this shit out, so that I can move forward.

>> No.8772948

>>8772937
>What keeps you going to do so many hours? What language are you learning?
Javascript because that's where all the jobs are in BC. I want to do lower level stuff but I need to learn what's here.

>> No.8772984

>>8771157
i feel you and i hope we get through these struggles. i share the same aspirations of wanting to start a company, but am constraint by my responsibilities

>> No.8773011

>>8772937
this is exactly what i concluded today as my only take away in my "research" aka years of fucking up. and that is, i can practically learn anything in one month due to hyper focus because we have become so good at jumping that we are used to freakishly absorbing info. the problem is sticking with the small details after the excitement wears off. it feels good to start telling everyone your new endeavor, we can make excuses about it not making money because hey, we are just learning in the beginning remember? then it dawns on us that we have shiny object syndrome and that we have to make money with it for proof. we then make a excuse and jump some more. yet we feel a deeper reason for the jump and chalk it up to a philosophical reason or a destiny issue, as if the job didnt align with our purpose, when the answer may be true or false. and we stay in limbo as we jump from trying to find a purpose, to trying to make cash. and lots of alcohol. the more we learn the more things get confusing.

i read that cal newport book last week. it helped some.

>> No.8773018

>>8773011
which one did you read? deep work?

>> No.8773022

>>8772878
>>8772984

we all make it in the end. we are very very close

>> No.8773052

25.Same fucking problem. Everyone in my family sorta looks down on me. To the point that they don't even say it in my face but I know they talk about me behind my back.

All my brothers are successful which I'm happy for but it makes me look even worse..

>> No.8773056

>>8773018
so good they cant ignore you. i enjoyed it, but even after reading it, taking notes, and applying it to my situation, i still have no idea what the fuck i want to do. i have the entire process and system down on how to make money, yet i dont have an idea on which to do it with.

cal states the idea should follow the 10k hour rule, but how can that be measured? and he used steve martin as an example.

i wonder if our hesitation is reserverd in fear, knowing that we would have to lay it all out on the line and go after one thing, which could very well be an extremely harsh career choice, music or comedy etc. we have thoughts of safe career choices, which would coincide with the 10k hour rule. if your 10k hours is in something "passionate" like music, you have kind of a paradox, dont you?

>> No.8773116

Do meth

>> No.8773158

>>8771933
You talented fuck, that's seriously amazing music. Loved it. You'll make it anon.

>> No.8773188

>>8771933
This is nice anon. Have you considered maybe selling some commercial music? the kind they put in the background of commercials?

this is nice, if you can make this, you could make commercial. Maybe that could give you more money?

>> No.8773202

>>8773158
thanks bro, ill share one last song with you if you want. seems to be a favorite for a lot of people. i write/produce/edit all of it

https://soundcloud.com/willtheconqueror/diamond-rougha

>> No.8773222

Speaking as someone who has directed the tech side of over 3 startups to success (with a couple failures), you need to learn a lot that school doesnt teach you, and to strike it out alone is a crazy test of all around competence. It can be done but i should write some articles on everyrhing a super professional suoild kjow. Well. Just know theres people like me who care about helping uou guys catch up to the level of extreme competence.

>> No.8773227

Anon maybe you could try teaching others on Youtube how to make music from scratch?

>> No.8773230

>>8771157
I sympathize. This is really the only way. You can only do your best to manage and mitigate these other factors, anon. Godspeed.

If you want you can become a normie and decide not to make it and that's fine, too. You can make it 10% of the way. You don't have to be a multimillionaire.

>> No.8773246

>>8773222
Any tips on where I should focus my studies? I'm starting my own company soon.

>> No.8773255

>>8773188
i honestly never ever because i never thought it was good enough, so i didnt even try. i always just wrote my own stuff and tried to make it as perfect as possible, sound and composition wise. now that i think about it, its the only thing that i truly love doing and have 10k hours in

>> No.8773266

>>8773227
this is a great idea, i have the skills and resources to turn that into a biz. i can just share what i know and let it grow from that.

>> No.8773279

>>8773266
Yeah, build up a following. You can do it anon, you have the skills and you seem chill/likable. You can do it bro.

>> No.8773282

>the only thing I have 10k hours in is reading about history and foreign affairs (non /pol/ meme reading)
I wish I could monetize this.

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>>8772686
you summed it up pretty well. The only way to appreciate life is to accept and embrass boredom.

>> No.8773297

>>8771887
> Imagine sorting bby WordPress news articles that received the most purchases per day?

Elaborate on this. It doesn´t have to stay in imaginationland if you lay a good enough groundwork

>> No.8773312

>>8773282
Maybe create a YT channel where you explain history in an easy, entertaining way to understand? You could research what kids are studying in school and target them. That or history majors.

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>>8773255
Drawfag here again. I've probably put about 10k+ hours into drawing and it's the thing I love to do more than smashing vagoo or smoking marahuanga.
This whole thread has got me fired up to make SOMETHING in the form of reward for my talents.
You're good at making music, OP. I hope you too get fired up and figure out a good way to monetize your talents. Getting paid for doing what you love may be a meme, but I'd be comfy becoming such a meme.

>> No.8773358

>>8773266
Yeah. For example, assuming I wanted to start making music, I have zero idea on how to start. None. A channel like yours could help me out.

Then I'd become a loyal subscriber. I could buy merch/contribute on patreon/add you in brave payments to support you. That's assuming you don't come out with courses and stuff like that.

>> No.8773375

>>8773246
If i had to say 1 thing... build a deep understanding of the basics and develop real skills. Like, if you work in IT you better understand symmetric vs asymmetric encryption but practically if i asked u to sftp me a file to my server could you do it confidently in 10 minutes? If you are in hw design its one thing to make prototypes and another to lead a project risking 2M on a company production run where your mistakes can kill the business. Do you want to be told what to do or are you good enough to get stuff done by taking the lead?

>> No.8773381

>>8773355
You could try making Sci-fi book covers. Draw, vectorize in illustrator or digitize it on Photoshop. Some authors like going for illustrated covers.

>> No.8773385

>>8773375
I mean, I'm not good enough to do it yet, but I WANT to be good enough to do it.

>> No.8773391

>>8773282
hire an animator on fiverr, write script, turn it into a comedy series, start a youtube series, build following, sell products

>> No.8773393

>>8772015
You want my honest opinion? You´re a decent artist, but a terrible entertainer.

You sit here on this Papua New Guinea banana peeling forum complaining aobut succesfull entertainers.

Let me tell you, the world of art and entertainment is about recognizing skill and talent.

If you can´t fathom how Rick & Morty, Skrillex, DJ Khalid and Justin Bieber have made an impact, you have no chance in this industry.

All of them have major talents that you HAVE to appreciate in order to become successful.

>>8771922
Don´t listen to this guy. That´s not how Youtube or any business works now. Youtube is about originality, filling a niche that´s somehow appealing enough to a wide audience without being thought of before.

Making the content actually good isn´t that hard with a good team behind it, and it is certainly not the end of it.

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>>8773282
i'm exactly you but in /pol/ meme reading. Like i spent the last 7 years making the illuminati-merovingian-israelite-iranian-phoenician-lombard-palladist family tree. Will i make it too? pls

>> No.8773410

>>8773358
right, that makes sense. didnt see it like that and just recently heard of patreon and that was because of jordan peterson. this seems like a really feasible way to do it. i think a cool position to take would be almost in a bob ross way, cause there is so much crassness out there, but it would be nice to have almost a wholesome channel to show that anyone can make music

>> No.8773421

>>8773355
hey man, you mind if i use some of your artwork to promote my music? i will use the picture when i upload some of my music to my channel and start getting traffic to it. you got a link of your material?

>> No.8773435

>>8773410
Yeah but remember that the youtube game is getting hard af. Don't get discouraged, I'm telling you this so you don't give up the first year.

Continue putting up consistent work. It's harder now because of the new limitations they just added for new channels to start earning money but it's still doable. It's just a lot of hard work.

>> No.8773445

>>8773056
Yeah the 10K rule I think was initially in the Outliers book.
I think the 10K rule is true, but it is slowly becoming a fucking meme.
First of all, none of these reviews on life have factored in social media, where our brains our now wired to instantly feel good, otherwise we feel like shit.
Second, I feel like it's easy to point a finger for a reason for success. I mean, I've spent thousands of hours on music and I wasn't successful. (I guess my success was defined differently. Meanwhile, I am sure there are others that have done less, and they haven't. If 100 people spend 10k hours and 3 make it, they'll analyze the 3 and then draw up the reasons. What about the other 97 that loved it just as much as those 3, and spent just as many hours?
If you watch the interview of Deadmau5 on h3, he straight up believes the universe is completely random.

I think at the end of it all is this: you want to be great. everyone wants to be great. maybe you need to bite the bullet and realize, you're not that great and may never be.

I think it's the millennial curse: We're all fucking delusional and think we're special and are going to be rich.

It's possible that through this realization, you can care less, which inadvertently causes you to be good and become successful (funny how that works). And It's not fear about the 10K hours.

I think it's simply our brains are different nowadays, and when we grew up, the "thing(s)" our brain's attached to didn't bear fruit. Now it's harder and harder to go back and try. meanwhile, you get jealous of kids that the one thing their brains latched onto DID bear fruit. Given we're exposed to that envy everyday through the internet, it creates this negative feedback loop.

I'm just going to accept I'm mediocre. I don't fucking care anymore man. I tried and failed. Maybe I didn't try enough. I don't know, but either way, it didn't happen for me.

>> No.8773459

>>8773385
I've hired a lot of people and honestly let me tell you 2 things. 1. If you're hardworking, honest, fast learning, and comply to authority (doesnt mean u dont speak up or ask questions), i am excited and want to give you bonuses/longterm security/equity. 2. Businesses just want things to work goddamn reliably. Im actually hiring for a mobile dev and if they know how to make an app that doesnt crash and is extensible, we can work on sprucing up looks and features anytime.

General skills and reliable performance.

>> No.8773496

>>8773459
We should make a /biz/ guild, helping each other until we make it. Like, you should maybe give this anon a try and hire him or let him prove his talents?

>> No.8773501

>>8773393
I think you're right, my talents are a niche market vs the sweeping arm of entertainers that have made it big.
That being said, I'm young enough and have enough time left (hopefully) in my life to do what >>8772067 said and just plug away at it and build my own fan base. It took almost a decade for Bitcoin to rise above 4k. I figure if I'm 50 (I'm 30 right now) and I haven't made any following I'll give up.
I'm not really looking for fame, just want people to read a good story and get their noggins joggin about science fiction

>> No.8773505

>>8773445
I doubt you were learning effectively. This is a common problem. People expect work and time to solve their problems. They fail to take a step back and improve their structural speed.

>> No.8773506

>>8773445
not giving a shit always seems to be what makes the best decisions unironically. we may not be great at something, but we sure as hell arent dumb, and those rich people that made it arent that much smarter than us and i refuse to not be apart of that club, millenial or not. i am starting to think the 10k hour is definitely a meme and maybe the key to wealth is bashing people over the head until they listen to you

>> No.8773517

>>8773505
Do you have any advice on how to improve learning outcomes?

>> No.8773533

>>8773421
I don't mind at all. That's really cool of you!
Sadly the best I have in ways of a website is a deviantart page I set up in 2010...
Give me a minute to set up a new twitter...
This thread should last long enough...

>> No.8773534

>>8773506
I think you are right, but i also think it's all about being in the right place at the right time. Opportunity windows are very narrow nowadays.

>> No.8773538

>>8773496
You know. I'd love to if it weren't so goddamn expensively tragic. What have you guys gone to college for? Where are your skills? If i hire a grad im dumping 50K to train them out. It's charity i cant afford on a larger scale. This is why internships are so popular. The rise of the misguided incompetent. The educational system needs a huge overhaul, especially post secondary.

>> No.8773568

>>8773517
Master the basics. Make every situation a learning opportunity. I can teach you so many product design principles from a simple pen. Material translucency allows ink vision, weight balancing affects ergonomics, 1 handed op etc.. Ask yourself why you're not getting a crash course every trip to the hardware store. Ah hah. You need to be paying more attention to what uou observe.

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>>8773538
I feel you anon, it seems to be a lot of responsibilities. What make the training this expensive btw? You sound like a good guy. I hope someday you will train a /biz/znessman and that you will make it together

>> No.8773593

>>8773355
Dude seriously, recently I bought a canvas print for 350 euro from a local artist around here.

Your artwork is cool, learn how to monitize it. I know jack shit about it, but it probably involves making a digital version of work. Then you print it and find somebody that can make quality wooden frames. THATS FUCKING IT DUDE you can sell the signed canvas prints.

If you had this stuff for sale I would buy one, I dont give a fuck about spending 200 / 300 euro for a legit piece of art. Alot better than the IKEA trash other people put on the wall right ?

http://www.eelcovandenberg.com/shop/ Link related: it is the where I bought the print

>> No.8773595

Keep going mate, I'm 48 and a third year nursing student. Once I get my degree I will work part time and keep on doing what I love - writing, writing, writing. Had 4 books published - got around 1.5-2K for each one.
underneaththestairwell.com

>> No.8773600

What if I told you guys that all the shit you've done that you take pride in is actually easy to do and doesn't prove your worth in any way shape or form? Why do you feel you tried so hard in any area of life? You adhd retards haven't seen ANY task through to completion. Whatever bullshit you've done you taught yourself on google; so you only have the illusion of competence. You've never innovated anything because the only way you've ever learned to do something is by following someone else's instructions. You can't even determine the course of your own life without consulting a self help book. Why should you make it that way?

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>>8773600
ouch

>> No.8773628

>>8773421
I made a twitter. Gonna start posting soon, but you can tag me @GigaSaphiens

>> No.8773631

>>8773600
True, but I have a real engineering degree at least.

>> No.8773657

>>8773578
You got it buddy. It's the tragedy of the well-intentioned and unskilled. I'll play my part in building some structural edu/training solutions though, that I reassure you. What makes it expensive are the architectural mistakes. From the very beginning i have to handhold them otherwise its a doomed product. And for me to handhold assumes that i am a master hiring an apprentice. Most businesses hire for what they DONT have. So what can they do, hire a real professional to tutor the grad (who might not even know how to teach properly)? This is the reality behind the current struggle in the job market.

>> No.8773714

>>8773501
It´s not about being niche. It´s that you´re insufferable in the way you go abbout things. You won´t achieve anything keeping with this attitude, you gotta realize that the creators of "shit" like Rick & Morty and Skrillex are vastly more dedicated and talented than you.

Only then can you grow.

>> No.8773722

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_y-V145mKw

>> No.8773773

>>8773600
Damn. That hit home

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>>8771171
I haven't read the other posts yet but I know the solution that you're looking for. Basically it's cos you're making the wrong choices, have a beer and sit down by yourself and think of what you want.

Then once you've figured it out, you need to start doing something to start working towards it. Your problem probably is that you're jumping around with goals and ideas because you're a creative type.

You need to pick something and stay on that goal, ie; finding a better job should be approached like this:
>Think about jobs you like, and what the key words are for the search field on Craigslist or a reputable site.
>Then go and apply

If you don't do that before searching and you just enter random job words and apply for random shit you'll get shit jobs. I could go on and on but basically this is essence of it.

Same process applies for pulling hot women, want it and do the steps required to get it.

>> No.8773819

>>8773600
nice ID, FAG

>> No.8773863

If you guys want to be wealthy, it is not needed to make the facebook, instagram or whatever killer app. You just need to make money, live frugally (ie save up to 70% of the income) and invest it (an easy way is index funds). That's it.
I suggest you (especially artfags) try to make a living doing what you love (in ways the others anon have suggested) and then follow the above principles.


>>8771675
Your artwork is very good and i like sci fi. I would probably read your stories if you published them.

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>>8773714
Despite all the wagecuckery and wasting years on a meme degree in (((college))) I'm pretty damn dedicated to art and writing.
R&M is the epitome of catering to the desires of the mentally ill masses: recycling scientific concepts into an easily digestible 20 minutes of bright colors and ego-stroking solipsistic banter with a dash of perversion or degeneracy.
I could easily write better stories and I have. I just don't swap wives with the producer of an ((entertainment industry)) and I refuse to cater to a bunch of Nintendo Switch slack-jawed faggots.
Why people like skrillex is beyond my comprehension. Perturbator is a superior digital music artist.

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>>8773863
It's nearly 3am and I have to go wagecuck in a few hours, but this thread has gotten me looking at publishers right now and I set up a twitter to slowly trickle out my longest sci-fi story :)
Thanks for the compliment!

>> No.8773981

>>8773899
don´t trickle it out on twitter doofus.

>> No.8773985

>>8773887
You are seriously delusional dude. Get off you ego trip and you´ll make it.

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>>8773981
I'm just realizing that twatter displays posts in the worst way possible for reading a story...
Got any tips on a publisher site that would handle comics nicely?
How did that One Punch artist do it??

>> No.8774056

>>8773863
>Dude just live like shit all your life saving every penny and enjoying things so you can have money when you're decrepit and pissing yourself in 40 years assuming the economy doesn't take a shit and set it back even further

Dont listen to this guy OP, something will eventually click you just need to go all in on one thing and stick with it. Stop jumping around between businesses and make sure you're in control of your investments.

>> No.8774059

>>8773600
the harsh truth, but it needed to be said.

>> No.8774207

>>8773887

I used to be on the skrillex hate bandwagon but he is more than a wub/brostep producer achktually
he done and tried a few more things that are quite interesting.
I'm not so up to date about his recent work tho.
Still not a fan but there are some things top artists have done right, may it be networking marketing timing or actual quality of what they providence.
You should at least get to show more of your work to more people maybe instead of larping on 4chan from your bedroom

>> No.8774322

>>8774056
Classic poorfag response.
Living frugally and investing doesnt mean living like shit, it means spending more efficently in order to accumulate capital and create passive income.
Most of the times you just need to improve your spending on the big 3s (housing, food and transport) in order to cut it by half if not more (unless you have unusually high spending in some other category).
And all three categories have very simple solutions: live in a very small house or with other people, eat mostly (on season/discounted) vegetables + legumes + grains + a bit of nuts + a bit of cheese + the occasional fish/meat, use the bicycle and/or public transport.
If you then invest your savings in your own business or in something like index funds, you can accumulate a good capital in a relatively short amount of time which will start to make money on its own.
After a while you will have a much higher net worth and income then the average yolo braindead normie, and will have be able to live more comfortably and freely.

You may not believe this, but in my town there are people that (i know) have a much bigger business than mine and yet are much poorer, stressed out and always in need of financing, mostly because their lifestyle inflated too much when things were going well (before the financial crisis) and now they are hurting their business (with decreased revenue) in order to maintain it. Had they lived frugally and accumulated capital, not only they would have a personal liquidity of a few millions but they would be able to accumulate even with decreased revenue since they would spend much less.

>> No.8774544

>>8771415
This but he won't.