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>>875116
Nope. I use Noopept

>>875116
I used it last year a bit and it's really cool. I just took one in the morning and with a bit of focus could study all day.

I stopped though because I got pancreatitis which i'm 75% sure wasn't caused by the Modafinil but pancreatitis is fucked so it kind of put me off it

>>875124
Did you experience any sideeffects?

It's pretty awesome. I'm convinced that this shit must be widespread on Wall Street and in Silicon Valley. It's basically just insurance against having a bad day. Every day is on point.

It is truly amazing, if you are a responder. You become so focused and you think more structured.

You will act differently on it though. I become more talkative but also 'colder'. That's how other people describe it anyway. When I first started taking it I felt so devoid from the world, like a robot. If you take it daily you get used to it and it feels normal, but you'll still act differently. When you think about what you have to do you will simply execute instead of procrastinating.

Every two weeks I take a break of about a week to get that feeling back, the devoid feeling.

Tiredness and other thoughts seem to just melt away when I'm on it, it greatly helped me with my studying.


Also noopept is weak shit that doesn't really do anything, it gets slightly more pronounced when you insufflate it, but it's still weak. Phenylpiracetam is great though, although the tolerance builds up really really fast, and it is still not as strong as modafinil is for me.

>>875116

>ITT: people taking psych medications for no reason

What's the difference between Modafinil and Vyvanse? Because Vyvanse puts me at my peak productivity, but can make me a little irritable from time to time.

How can I get a script?

I want this for my job bad.

How the fuck do you even get it in Canada? and also what do you guys think about the other version of modafinil? Forget the name but yeah.

>>875519
The issue with drugs like vyanse, ritalin and concerta is that they are derivatives from amphetamines or methylphenidate.

The problem with these drugs is that while they work, they also have a very pronounced stimulatory effect and the comedown will suck. You feel exhausted and slow and sluggish.

These things can also be very addicting and you build up a tolerance. If you try to get off them after taking them for a couple of months people often lose ability to focus, to the point of feeling useless. They might have these problems for months before they feel themselves again.

There are also some indications that long term amphetamine use is very harmful for your working memory.

Modafinil has none of these issues, but there is less of a stimulatory effect.

>>875548
Oh yeah, and if you OD on these an amphetamine based because you want to keep feeling pumped there is a risk of psychosis, my room mate had that when he backed himself into a corner by starting too late on this master thesis. He worked for weeks straight on that shit and kept taking more and more. Eventually he broke down and he has never been the same.

But then again, that retard was taking 400mg a day after some time, which is like 10x the max recommended dose.

>>875562
>and he has never been the same.
W-What happened to him?

>>875563
Well right after he broke down he got depressed, which is I didn't find weird because he missed the deadline for his theses. It mean a study delay of one year. He also went through withdrawal and had bouts of paranoia and mood swings.

After about a month he started complaining that he could no longer focus on anything for more than five minutes and felt tired a lot. He got kicked out of his intern ship because his performance dropped and he was constantly agitated.

Now it's like three months later and he is still weird, his girlfriend left him too, not sure if that was related to his personality change or not, and has just become bitter.

I'm pretty sure the OD on amphetamines were just part of what is going on, the biggest blow was that he has a study delay of a year. He was one of those people who had his life planned out.

>>875380
Holy shit. This made me think. Imagine if employers put that shit in the drinking water cooler. They'd get a huge boost in productivity.

Oh god the lawsuits.

>>875116
I take it 3x a week. It is exactly as advertised. I order it from an online pharmacy in India and get pills for a little over $1 each.

On it I become more focused, task-oriented, and efficient. It also suppresses my appetite.

Side effects - at first I had trouble falling asleep on days I took it, but that faded after the first couple times I took it. Other than that, it's side effect free. Pretty much a wonder drug, man.

>>875582
What site?

>>875511
So I was really against these nutrition/drugs till I heard about a breed of cows that was fed steroids for a generations. One day they stopped it because the steroids stayed in the cows system and therefor got in peoples food.
After they stopped something happened, some cows didn't stop growing more musle, their body had adapted to the large quantity of steroids and were now producing it themselfs.

Long story short, I think nutrition/drugs have a big role in human evolution, and I think that these medicine/nutrition will positively change mankind.

>>875582
what shop did you order it from?

>>875583
>>875587
Poointheloo.com

>>875578
Yea, but how'd they know?

>>875592
Suddenly everyone starts feeling mild stimulatory effects? As soon as you drink water you no longer feel any hunger or tiredness? If they drink after 1PM they won't sleep at night. If they drink too much they'll get extremely anxious and they wont sleep for 40 hours.

I mean really, how can you not now. The effects are quite pronounced.

>>875583
https://www.modafizone.co/

>>875596
Well they can put it iin the coffee water. A lot of places have these kurigs now. They'd just stop drinking in the afternoon if they thought it was the coffee.

>>875116
No, but now I'm interested. I've been taking piracetam and have experienced remarkable results. I'm more motivated and focused than I've ever been in my entire life. Before I would overthink everything, causing me to miss great opportunities, now I'm the first one on the boat.

>>875475
I know exactly what mean about the robotic feeling. I'm all about results now, so when other people drone on about their problems, which they can solve with hard work, I have neither the time nor the sympathy.

>>875116
Just read an article about it. Fuck that shit. Not good for you.

>>875672
Link?

It works but it isn't some miracle drug everyone makes it out to be, it's like expensive coffee

>>875569
anyone who takes amphetamines like that has some underlying problem, whether it be psychological or just with life. everyone says it's for "productivity" but anyone who goes on binges is not a stable person to begin with

>>875592
is this legal in the US?

>>875679
It's better than coffee, man. Less expensive than any starbucks or red bull too.
>>875687
It's prescription only, but there are a ton of India based pharmacies online you can order from for cheap.

>>875690
Such as? Don't really just want to throw my info out to a random Indian pharmacy.

I'd love to get a legit script

i have some but all they did was give me a headache and mild diarrhea. maybe i got bunk pills? theyre modalert brand. they do seem to keep me up late though

Are there any places where I can buy like 20 or maybe 30?
I really don't want to drop nearly $100 on pills from some indian company.

>>875717
probably on agora market

>>875717
Are you in the US? You can get a Modafinil prescription from your friendly family doctor and then purchase it at a local pharmacy.

>>875717
This. I don't want to buy a fuck ton of pills, I just want to use this one occasion as a replacement for energy drinks.

>>875700
I tried posting the link and got banned.
Google "modafizone"

>>875704
you just described the typical effects from modafinil. More wakefulness, especially if you were sleepy in the first place, and sometimes mild diarrhea and headache, depending on dose.

Just like any stimulant, including an energy drink, your experience may vary depending on a couple of factors including your state of mind/attitude towards what you consume.

>>875810
>your experience may vary depending on a couple of factors including your state of mind/attitude towards what you consume.

so basically its a placebo

Well, I did some reasearch, and it turns out that adrafinil is basically modafinil, except it's legal and cheaper.
It's a bit more damaging on your liver apparently, but it shouldn't be anything to worry about unless you're taking copious amounts, drink a lot, or have previous liver problems.
The way it works is that it turns into modafinil while in your body, so it takes about an hour to get going unlike modafinil.

Do research for yourself and see, but it seems worth it to me.

>>875676
http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/modafinil-2013-4/

Sort the comments by most voted and read them after the article if you want to see why I'd stay away from it.

>>875720
Yeah but doctors don't just give scripts to anyone.

>>875720
>>875916
According to the article or comments here >>875890, insurance companies will resist paying for it even if prescribed. It's a $1,000+ prescription for like 30 pills.

>>875685
What? Even stable people get sucked into a amphetamine high. Even if you have a perfect life that shit still feels a lot better.

Where can one purchase this drug in Australia? What's the cheapest website?

>>875116
used it for awhile. At first, it was a wonderdrug. No cravings, almost no appetite. I had to remember to eat and drink. You get a full day of wakefulness without any harmful side effects you'd see from caffeine.

>>875949
Just buy it online

>>875116
thanks op i just ordered some LOL

Just take some kratom you drug fiends.

>>875986
Healthy minded people almost never become dependent on drugs. They can enjoy them but rarely develop the compulsion that mentally ill people do.
Low levels of dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, and noradrenaline coincide with mental illnesses so addictive drugs have a much deeper effect on these people, they're searching for a feeling of normality rather than a high

>>876124
that stuff fucked my voice up for a while

>>876127
;-;

>>875890
These people are complaining about the price and the fact that they feel "abnormal". Another person who complains is a pharmacist who states it "makes your brain age faster". Why you would listnen to these idiots is beyond me.

Also the indian sources from Sun Pharma and the likes, which are large and respectable companies, sell the exact same thing for 80 ct's per pill, including shipping. And thats the price for 100 pills, if you order more it gets cheaper, and if you order less it gets more expensive.

Here, have something with sources.
http://www.gwern.net/Modafinil

I bought some lost year, have used it maybe half a dozen times at finals time. They are not a magic get-everything-done drug like adderal or ritalin. For me they enhanced my concentration on whatever I was studying, and prolonged the feeling of getting jaded while studying. The best thing they are for imo is in exams. You will never have a bad exam, you already have no distractions in an exam room and your mind is clear and focused the whole time.

>>875586
nigga what? the exact opposite should happen. can you link the study? i'm not saying you're full of shit, but that defies everything physiologically

>>876193
And the rest of them pushing the product are complete shills.

>>876012
Aussie here, buy mine from http://www.onemedstore.com/prescriptions/waklert/

>>876127

>Healthy minded people almost never become dependent on drugs

Lol sources plox. Addiction is way more dependent on the chemical profile of the drug than the person. Yes, predisposition is a factor but it's not like a healthy joe-schmoe can shoot heroin and be unaffected.

>>876124
Kratom is GOAT, the only problem is the taste and constipation

>>875582
Link to pharmacy?

>>875575
I went over this thought in a philosophy class. We came to the conclusion that it would be sketch unless people knew about it before hand but would then cause problems for business that didnt use it and in the end it would cause too many problems

>>876906

wow bruh. like totally. My mind is totally blitzed bro. First year Philo #rekt

>>876626
My friend has been performing brain surgery on rats since he was 19 to study addiction, he's doing international work on chemically treating addiction now.
They had to completely rethink their research cause they realized that there are in fact people who can shoot heroin and be pretty much unaffected.
Some people are on pain killer regimens for years and have no problem quitting

Addiction is usually partly a choice, because being dependent on the drug is at least better than going without it.
Heroin treats the symptoms of most mental illnesses

>>876965
You have to experience a powerful drug rush to realize there what its about. Addiction is always a choice and I agree there are people out there that can shoot heroin and not become dependent but they are the one percent. Its a combination between genetics and extreme willpower. People that have an amazing life with no mentall illness to speak of will throw that life all away to feel 100 times better. Almost anybody is going to chose to be as high as a kite over being sober. Its something that you cant describe to somebody that has not experienced a strong rush of a drug.

>>876928
What is wrong with you people who post stupid shit like this? Someone's adding to a conversation and mentions they took a class and you make a cheeky cunt remark for no reason. I was gonna make a /b/ reference but even they make shitty posts more gracefully than you. Yeah, your post is purposely bad, I get it. But there's some merit to being good at posting something bad. You're literally bad at making bad posts. I just cringe at these posts because even ironically posting it makes you look like you've never had an actual conversation with someone in your life. I don't know why people too young to even play with money are on a business board.

Also the only people who think lightly of opiate addictions are those who have never ever shot up heroin. The pleasure is literally unimaginable until you feel it yourself, even the most stable minded, strong willed person can fall into the trap.
Getting out of addictions is due to external factors, like almost nobody on this planet has ever woken up and randomly decided on their own "eh I don't feel like doing heroin anymore ok that was fun bye needle"

>>877144
>>877113
>tfw I've literally done this with every drug I could find
>tfw went looking for addiction because it would give me a strong urge to do something again
>would just be on a comedown and not want to do the rest of my speed/blow/heroin/caffeine/molly/cigarettes because I'll just end up like this again

>>876965

Again, sources. As in links to peer reviewed journals. Your friend sounds cool and all, but you have to understand that I can't blindly accept your anecdotal statements without some concrete evidence behind them. While I don't doubt that there are SOME people who are essentially 'immune,' for lack of a better word, to the effects of addiction, there is absolutely no way that it is at all the norm. You're using the logical fallacy of composition, to a certain extent. Unless you can prove that a significant number of persons who do not have mental illness are not affected by addiction, your argument that healthy minded people almost never become dependent on drugs holds little weight. The key words there being 'almost never.' Unless you've got research with a majority percentage of a study population that confirms this.

>>876965


>"They had to completely rethink their research cause they realized that there are in fact people who can shoot heroin and be pretty much unaffected."
>"Some people are on pain killer regimens for years and have no problem quitting"

Some numbers here would be nice to verify these claims. 'there are people' and 'some people' apply as well in a world where only one person fits these criteria, which would not be representative of a population at all.

Additionally, to touch on the topic of addiction being a choice, we don't know if humans, or any other life form for that matter, have free will in the first place, but that's a whole different can of worms.

>>877160
The only drug I am like that with is speed, the high is amazing but the comedown is enough to keep me from doing it again. Downers are another story, I cant do them anymore It gets to out of hand to quick.