/biz/ - Business & Finance

how are futures doing after bloomf tariffs?

>>8732071
Anyone listen to some good podcasts/streams they can rec me?
I've been listening to tasty trade lately.

>>8732146
The only one I listen to is DH Unplugged, with John C. Dvorak and Andrew Horowitz. You guys won't like them, because they're not crypto fans, and they're somewhat bearish. But they're entertaining, and the only financial guys I've run across that aren't shilling for a platform/stock. They do it for the sheer fun of it, and don't take ads.

>>8732212
>that aren't shilling for a platform/stock. They do it for the sheer fun of it, and don't take ads.
I'll check them out. Yeah when they started shilling their platform to open and IRA account it really put me off.

>CLDR

I want to die.

how often do people make it and actually make a living off of pure TA and trading medium to long term stocks? Im talking like making 50% or more a year, not the memey 20% Buffet gets from having trillions already

>>8732740

No one

>>8732740
its not hard for 50% if you swing trade the sp500

>>8732241

top kek

RIP

>>8732239
To be fair, it really hard to not shill platform right now, there so many with lots of money they just throw at people

Me not tell who am but was approached by ******* with offer unable to refuse... this after I promise follower I never shill x.x

why is it everytime i invest in a penny stock I am either

A)too late so no margins
B)about to be BARTED
C)get cucked by ERs

FOMO will be the death of me,

>>8732071
Accidentally bought Shopify today instead of Spotify

>>8732796
This what I learning to do
Best twitter found so far is @TicTocTick for daily hand holding resource
He $SPY whisperer

>>8732740
TA isn't for medium and long term holding. For that, just buy blue chip and the less volatile funds. TA is for day trading, short term stuff.
Nobody makes 50% unless they get lucky, even in a bull run like last year, or you have insider information, or have the kind of money/influence to get in on IPOs.

>>8732956
>@TicTocTick
interesting, because you can actually leveraged up to 15x the SP500 on 1broker, i presume its similar on SPY for interactivebrokers or other bigtime brokerages?
>>8732972
maybe we have different views of terms, im talking medium term at max so like anything from daytrade to holding for a month or two. Past that it does seem like buy wahtever you want no matter if its at ATH, your holding for years to decades anyways.

>>8733058
This isn't crypto, yeah, you need to relearn your terms. Medium long for the stock market is months, not days.

>>8732868
>C)get cucked by ERs

Always check the earnings report schedule for any stock you intend to swing trade. That's an unknown variable you don't want cropping up during your hold period. Unless you have reason to believe the ER will be better than forecast, in which case the strategy is to buy in a little before and sell on the day it comes out.

So have the Bogs decided to pump, or are they just painting a bear flag to get everyone to fomo in before initiating the dump?

THE NIKKEI ISNT DOING PARTICULARLY WELL

>>8733329

The Nikkei is on an upswing at the moment, I don't know what you're looking at - but it's way too early, they can (and often do) shit the bed after lunch.
Dow Futures aren't looking any good, but that could change overnight. VIX, interestingly, is down. But most likely the bed gets shat on tomorrow, as the MSM is pushing the trade war narrative. Even Drudge is getting in on it.

>>8733721
It gapped up but got dumped from the open
nikkei futures is down 0.70%

>>8733803
I don't put a lot of emphasis on the Nikkei, to be honest. I glance at it, but they're not the best barometer for our markets. They haven't tracked us that closely, over time.

>>8732868

INPX?

>>8733329
ダンプ・イット

>>8733921
AKER

>>8732740
TA is from when people were recording prices on paper and they started noticing patterns on their charts. So by definition they are very very old models. Markets are different now, speeds are different, even representations of prices are different. Why do you think the same old models would work? Because all TA is is very old models on the chart pics. I seriously doubt it works and could be back tested consistently. It involves recognizing patterns and running a tester back. I haven't seen it done, so I assume it doesn't work.

t. semi retired equity trader.

>>8734044
>doing TA
>not animorphing into the charts and figuring out the movement organically

>>8734447
You have digitized data, why do you need a chart?

Nike +4%
redpill me on Nike

>>8732740
$200 a day is doable if you have a set trading plan

Shit you could just long and short tvix everyday and make that easy

>>8735007
>>long and short the same fake asset

waht did he mean by this, implying you can call every days movement accurately lmao

>>8734585
>not extrapolate data into jamaican interpretative dance
>2018

>>8735046
You can easily make a 20 cent gain very easily following the spy/yvix

With such liquidity tvix is easy to get in and out with a large account, even if you make a mistake you can cut losses quickly.

>>8735141
i know TVIX is 2x the VIX volatility index, but what is yvix i dont see it on tradingview, is it shorting volatility? that seems bizarre

>>8735285
That was a typo lol

What was that pump at the end of the day? It was almost going to be a red day then the bogs struck

>>8735347
i figured so but what do you mean by 20 cent gain, relative to TVIX price? i understand prices moving downwards are more volatile hence TVIX Moves up during drawdowns and not really at all during moves up, but what do you mean follow SP500 and profit off it? Are you literally saying see how SPY is doing then hope TVIX lags behind it a bit if its a red day? it cant be that easy lmao

>>8735353
Buffet told me the dip is over

>>8735371

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's actually really predictable. Open up a paper-trading account and try it. When the penny stock market is slow there is usually lots of volatility twoards spy/tvix. Maybe I'm just making this all up but when the penny stocks world is slow such as now I just scalp tvix to at least make easy money

>>8735371
I also meant just scalping 20 cent gains off of tvix. With a 30k account that's a good amount of money in a day.

ONLY 5.99 for a medium pizza and a drink?

>that is unironically a steal

>>8735393
I wish I could believe

>>8735101
Are you talking about TA? I'm yet to see successful TA trader.

In equities, the model is basically to be a tape reader, which is now computerized. The TA is model converted into chart for ease of processing by humans, and it's not even time sensitive. I'm not even talking about execution issues and importance of volume. With computer you can track volume instead of TA "volume spike".

TA is voodoo tier shit.

>>8735418
>>8735428
why does the VIX/TVIX lag behind SPY like that? I understand its a reactionary type of fake asset basically but if you just bought TVIX as the SP500 is going down you shouldnt be able to make a livign off taht, or else everybody would??

>>8735708
They are ETFs

Some subset of traders just trade these things (and make money) like jnug, nugt, vix, etc, etc

Cryptofag here, thoughts on rare earth minerals? I hear US/China regulations will cause the price to moon.

Anyways

Who /Dogs of the Dow/ here? can I get a woof woof? Where my hounds at? Tommrows purchases will be: Goldman Sachs, IBM, and Verizon

Woof woof!

>>8736119
?

>>8736122
dont question me

>>8736161
just do your best and work towards retirement my man i dunno wtf your post is about are you maybe intoxicated?

>>8736119
>>8736257
LMAO

>>8732071
why do I want shitty pizza now? Fuck. Where am I going to get that at this hour?

>>8732071
Daily Reminder

Should I buy Tesla and Spotify stocks right now?

>>8732071

where can i get this deal? is it actually at chuke e cheeses cuz i'll go if it is

>smg thread still alive at 230 AM

wtf

>>8735705
It's really good for finding price points. Not really about predicting anything.

>>8737272
Right, its great

>>8737272
Everyone is waiting in anticipation for the JUSTening when markete open

>>8737258
yeah its at chucky cheese but you need a child with you to get in
Easier, You can get the same deal with Little Ceasars Hot n Ready™ deal

>>8737547
I'm ready to see red all day, blood running in the streets, and pink wojaks from people getting JUST'd.

eurobros just woke up and they are pumping

>>8737589
Me All in on SPXU

>>8737547

what did he do now?

>>8737589
I don't think there will be recession
The US market is deleveraging and corrections are to be expected

I am long what I believe to be value stocks and I am experimenting with covered calls to generate income.

I have been thinking hard about the downside of this strategy.

Since you are long/bagholding, if the stocks drop in prices, you keep your shares and you just sell more calls, and if the stocks get called away, you have already pocketed the call premium and you just buy the shares back.

Am I missing something ?

fuck trump
When are we getting these?

>>8737749
I think Commieforia has become what it is because it became too successful and too rich

So rich that each little parasitic leeching, socialist demand didn't bother them, until it adds up to today's extent.

It might follow the same path of Venezuela : tech companies are creating most of the wealth of the state. What happens when they are no more as profitable as before ? Will California still be able to cope with their socialist agenda ?

>>8737793
Brown has brought a level of spending control and is actually running a Budget Surplus.

>tech companies are creating most of the wealth
Unironically it's mostly our agricultural, California is well diversified and self sustainable, It's the Rust, Bible Belt states that lech of from us.

They Hate California so much they want to include a citizenship question to dilute political strength since CA is is mostly immigrants.
Which is funny because the States that complain about immigration usually have the least immigration.

SOYBOYS in Suicide Watch

Fuck S&P Futures are getting Rekt and Gold is getting Pupped

>>8738046
>>8737814

what the fuck is your problem

>>8738090
this goldshill jizzing on himself

We are at the 200 again

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/04/china-new-us-tariffs-including-soy-cars-and-chemicals.html

-1000 point drop today

Tanks Trump you fat piece of shit

Based
Now I have another dip to buy tomorrow

>>8738143

300 now

I only sold Half my TQQQ because I had some faith left. Now I have none.

>>8737947
Glad to learn something new
I already know CA is famous for its almond, grape, tomatoes and shit. But not to that extent.

Also, I don't live with immigrants, I used to deal with them on a daily basis as customers, I don't hate them but I am fully convinced I don't want to live with them.
Being the least affected about a phenomenon doesn't take away your right to be opposed to it.

And I am even willing to bet, the more a problem affect people, the more they are resigning to it and wishing others to be affected by it too.
>There is no problem if we pretend to be happy dealing with it even with no ROI.

SAVE ME

>>8738234
I'm getting hammered by the volatility, and am now just focusing on hedging.

But if we want the US stock market to keep going up in the long run, something needs to be done to protect US companies' IP, particularly in tech.

>>8738587
>>8738628
>>8738143
its not that bad, is it?

Any opinions on JD.com? Bought some a couple of months ago. Did I get memed or good time to add more?

>>8738234
feels bad, sold my puts today now I'm gonna miss this gap down

Can someone explain me why all the weed stocks keep on dropping 10% and more each day now?
Is this a bottomless pit?
It's not like they are overvalued. They aren't even double digit worth each stock, why do they keep falling even though the market for this product is about to open?

it's going to be nothing

Going to open, slam down 600-1000 points, then rebound to even by the end of the day. China has more to lose in a trade war due to the trade imbalance.

>>8738890
Don't worry m8
I heard there is a pretty strong support at 0$

>>8738964
Doesn't matter anymore, I already lost over 60% of my money.
It's the same as losing everything as a poorfag.
Dropping to 0 won't make a difference I guess.
I am finished without any options to rebuy or short cause no money.

>>8738890
>>8738991

More seriously

I find the weed market to be like cryptos : a whole lot of hype before dying down

Also, for the US, you have an emperor who seems to be admirative of what Terminator Duterte is doing to the drug dealers in the Philippines
There is much uncertainty about the future growth of the weed industry

Uh oh

>>8739136
HERE WE GO AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Check it check it check it out
got a margin account and you know that

Large in the margin
my portfolio unfolds behind closed doors
Sold puts on the down-low
i believe that I'm broke but really, i don't know
maybe it's better, but I can't think so
maybe its better to short, one never ever knows
bought the rumors that grow like tumors
more fun than the truth that we know

Trying
too hard to reach a higher plane

Market'll fuck you up
when you least expect it
you think you're moving closer
when suddenly China wrecked it
Lost all my gains, but the pain gains wisdom
as if you ain't had enough then you're in some
prison of a market correction
Stock dilution
look at what your facin' placin'
puts in every direction (what?)
but in the end it's a market correction

There's no way to avoid liquidation
you'll always end up working the fry station
here's hoping the margin calls aren't too unkind
here's hoping the voices are benign
it's easier when you hear it
there's a reason to fear it
it's jews
it's jews

Today is the day circuit breakers are initiated. It's been nice knowing you guys. About to lose my life savings in a few hours.

The Darkest of times are Just Starting.

>>8739399
Rip Leveraged Traders

I should have bought more straddles yesterday.

>>8739422
I'm fucked so bad, no lie.

>>8732071
BIIB BIOGEN INC, to the MOON
Who else here riding the dip?

Now I finally see the point and the how-to in going long gamma

>>8739537
https://youtu.be/XcicOBS9mBU?t=7

>Buying stocks now

lmao get the fuck out your absolute retards, shit will implode because its beyond fucked

>market is all inter-connected
>doesnt matter if your stocks arent directly related to the news, you still get fucked lmao

This is retarded, why did i believe in this meme. I dont want to wait till im 60 to make a profit.

WHATS IN YOUR HEEEEAD WHATS IN YOUR HEEEEEEADDDDD

ZOMBIE
ZOMBIE
ZOMBIE

All the gains $TSLA made yesterday evaporated in aftermarket shenanigans

>>8739754
I only sold 3/4 of my AMD Hoping for a small rebound to make up for my losses.
Now I'm Just redder,should of just liquidated all of it yesterday.

>>8738234
>Tanks Trump you fat piece of shit
I M P E A C H
M
P
E
A
C
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Art of the Deal my ass. He's just an overhyped carnival barker.

>>8739732
Stocks are 70% market, 20% sector, and 10% company (even less if it's bluechip).

Microeconomic fundamentals become less relevant to individual retail traders/investors (not big funds) the more well known a company is, as it's essentially just going to follow larger scale market moves.

This is not anything new, but with more quantitative approaches being used by more and more people, this phenomena will likely only increase with time.

>>8733972
>ッ
japs use smily faces as a letter.
truly a society to strive for.

$TVIX

>>8739785

I think everyone shilling ETFs has made everything move together in lockstep. I hate this lazy investing mechanic

>>8739816
That's also adding to it, but like I said, it's something that's probably been happening since at least the 80s.

I DON'T NEED HELP AHHHHHHHHHHH

i unironically want trump to get impeached

>>8739874
ok

>>8739830
>>8739785
This is not to discourage people from looking in-depth into what they are buying though.

Fundamentals are important, they are the only thing separating financial markets from full blown ponzis.

>>8739874
cuckd

>>8739874
he is a man from a different era who thinks Globalism is bad and everything will will be just like it was. Boomers never lived trough any real struggle.

Tariff would make sense if the US was a small vulnerable economy.

>>8739786
As corrupt as Japan's government is at all levels, they're 10 times better governed that we are in the US.

>>8739927
The worst thing about these dueling tariffs is that there was no serious attempt to negotiate first. I feel like Trump is just flailing around because he doesn't know what he's doing and wants a distraction from everything else that's going wrong. Plus he has a rabid base that eats this shit up. When you're the President you have a responsibility to play things cool and not do impulsive shit. Trump is failing badly at this most basic task.

Looks like we tested the 200 in PM and moving away from it again.

>>8740035
wrong, more to come

$$$

Is /smg/ finally 24/7?

> bullkeks

>>8739794
Sold all my $TVIX and $SQQQ yesterday morning.

>>8740093
>sold a covered call yesterday as my very first option trade
>mfw I might already be able to close it for a small profit

Gold Can't Break 1345
This might get interesting.

Should i short the dow 3x leverage today? I can't imagine we finish high.

Don't pay for any signal group. Here you can get all it all for free. So people who can not afford paying signals can get it also! Sharing is caring! t.me/RobinHoodSignals

O Shit it did it.
JNUG
JNUG
JNUG

>want to shift away from the fail stocks and go for that might hold/profit from the trade war
>cant because im down too much and i have to pay 5% worth in broker fees

Any one feeling Golden?

IT NEVER ENDS
THE HELL NEVER ENDS
EVERY DAY FOREVER

leaf here, literally all cash since December

probably going to buy some puts on XIU and WEED. not planning on going long on anything other than maybe gold. feels good.

>>8740164
yes.

just got paid a fat dividend lads

reinvest or keep as cash?

>>8740220
always reinvest.
just not always in the same stock.

Morning all

>>8739968
>>8739927
>drumpf
You retards realise he's too much of a brainlet on specifics for these to be his ideas right? This is all ross and Navarro.

Personally, I support these tariffs. This is more about national security than economics but you reddit brainlets with trips are too fucking dumb to real eyes

>>8740251
Hello friend.

>>8740220
In your opinion, would it be a good strategy to hold divvy paying stocks and selling OTM calls on them ?
I have been thinking hard with my little brain and can't see much downside to this strategy.

>>8740220
DRIP, always DRIP.

>>8740259
Economics is the foundation of national security. If the economy is fucked you have nothing. Whatever problems we have with China, and there are many, Trump is handling things in the worst way possible.

>>8740161
Why aren't you already diversified?

>>8740331
>Economics is the foundation of national security.
If that's true it shouldn't be left in the hands of a few people and should be decentralized.
Buy stocks with gold.

>>8740279
Yeah, sometimes deep ITM will work too.

>>8740371
>deep ITM will work too
I have read that too
Do you have to be bearish on the underlying to do that ? Or you can pull this off by meeting some requirement on the greeks ?

>>8740331
Serious question, how would you close the trade deficit by a $100 billion? "I wouldn't" isn't a valid answer since Trump already said long ago that he would and he won't just back out of a major campaign promise when he will be up for re-election soon. I'm not attacking you, I'm genuinely curious since everyone bashes Trump, but they never offer their own solution.

>>8740349
I agree. I've already griped that the President has been given way too much power.

>>8740397
It’s just a neutral position usually, but you’re immediately profitable.

Morning! Wow, the thread stayed alive?

Feeling green today, got some calls on SVXY

>>8740344
I only have around 4k across 4 stocks.
2 of em in tech getting fucked because the whole sector got memed.
1 mining getting fucked for no reason.
1 real estate doing nothing.

I thought the trade war was a bluff that made for a nice buy in dip. But the madman has actually gone all in.

>>8740401
That 100 billion doesn't stay in one place.
Chinese investors are stashing their cash in the US, It's the US largest creditor and Investor.
Most EB5 visas where issued to Chinese.
Where as US investors are stashing their cash in Tax safe heavens.

>>8740429
>Feeling green today

>>8740429
>SVXY calls
Wew

>>8740460
>>8740482
It'll probably be choppy again but I just got a feeling I can make a buck on some calls

>>8740401
Normally, a country balances its trade deficit by
- issuing debts
- devaluing its currency

The first solution is sustainable as long as there are people willing to lend (foreign or domestic lenders)

The second one would make import goods too expensive for the inhabitants. But the export goods produced will automatically become cheaper for the others. Italy before the implentation of Euro is a very good example of this phenomenon.

The pasta eating guidos are not as productive as the Germans, but the Lira was cheap and Italian goods could be sold elsewhere. With the Euro, Italy still has not recovered their development level of before 2008. Literally a lost decade.

>amd
Top kek where's that bagholder from yesterday's thread

>>8740401
> muh promise
I don't see Mexico paying for a wal
I don't see a ban on Muslims
I don't see a drained swamp
I don't see Hillary in jail
I don't see companies outsourcing getting punished
Promises don't mean shit

As for my opinion on closing the deficit, we could've used literally just bribed countries to take our exports and still have half a trillion to pay down the debt instead of increasing the already bloated military budget.

Anybody else's dick hard as the gold and vix they bought yesterday?

well it's time to get the fucking fuck out of stocks

>>8740529
Leveraged spx short. Diamonds rn

>>8740428
Thank you
I will try that once I close my current option position

Also, when you are short call, time decay is working for you. And the closer is the expiration date, the bigger theta is.

So, as for the choice of the expiration when you sell covered call, is 31 days a sensible choice ? (and of course I would avoid any ER during this period)

>>8740523
>moving the goalposts
Nice try though

>>8740529
>b-b-uy the dip!

>>8740401
This isn't something that can be done easily, and one shouldn't do rash things like announce tariffs out of the blue. I can't say that I know for sure what to do. I do think a lot of the trade deals have been bad, and that economics gets sacrificed for the sake of foreign policy goals a lot of times.
We should have more bilateral trade agreements for one thing. You can't just apply the same rules to several countries. NAFTA is an example. Canada and Mexico are radically different countries, and it was foolish to think you could shoehorn both into a common trade agreement. The US-Canada free trade agreement was just fine. Adding Mexico to the mix and turning it into NAFTA was bad.
We should also focus on getting trade deals with similarly situated countries first. We should have had a trade deal with Japan ages ago. We definitely should have been working more on an agreement with China, and we should have been negotiating first, and only resort to tariffs as a last resort, not as a preemptive strike in a trade war.
We also need to get our own house in order. Regulations and tax structures that incentivize offshoring production can be a problem. The lack of Federal budget discipline is another.
Currency issues are another area that can receive attention.
There really is no quick fix. It took decades to get where we are now, and it might take decades to fix it. Trying to change too much too quickly is disruptive though and causes more harm than good. We should also try to avoid getting too caught up in American Exceptionalism and "not invented here," and be more open to ideas from other countries. Not that I want to copy Germany, but they seem to be a lot better governed than we are, running trade and budget surpluses with lower interest rates. Maybe we could learn something.

>>8740523
Comrade Trump is increasing military spending because after global economy crashes from trade war there will be a real war. He may be dumb but he is not stupid.

Sami I was almost back up, was at $4400 in February
>>8740080
Has been for 2+ years now
(If you count rhg/rgt threads)

how long until china caves?

>>8740625
until we kidnap Jackie Chan

>>8740509
The Euro was a masterstroke - for Germany. It's worked totally to their advantage. It's not been so good for other countries in the Eurozone.

>>8740558
I generally prefer a short timeframe to more quickly reduce cost basis.

>>8740625
China won't cave the US will cave. China is totalitarian society with strict discipline that can destroy the US stock and bond market and cucks the US on all trade goods. The US is long past it's golden age run by a retarded man and is a weak and degenerate society

>>8740331
You're literally proving my point

Keep choking on gook cock

>>8740451
Right, but you didn't answer the question.
>>8740509
Those aren't really valid options since China is our biggest debt holder and there is no way we beat the Chinese in a who can devalue their currency more contest.
>>8740523
>Promises don't mean shit
The appearance of trying to keep them matters greatly when you're up for re-election. As for the rest that doesn't come close to addressing the trade deficit with China and that bill was horrible, but Trump had no part in it besides signing it. Ryan, Pelosi and Schumer drew it up and then told Trump that if he didn't sign it then the government would shut down. He was very clear in his displeasure with it.

>>8740667
this

when is this shit coming down for real

>>8740667
Have a (you) Nyugen it's time for you to open that soybeaned boipussy and accept American cock once again

>>8740579
> hurr how would you do "retarded thing", and saying you wouldn't isn't a valid answer
you guy the answer you deserved

>>8740618
i believe it
literally all the military is nowadays is a welfare program for retards to fight pointless wars

>>8740680
you're in it
you won't realized until a few months later

>>8740640
>Implying you can capture Jackie Chan holding a ladder with a baby on his arm

>>8740650
I am glad someone gets it
Whenever I hear "normal" people getting upset about how they are feeling poorer in the EU ex-Germany, they will always end up defending the Euro, the one thing that is keeping them enslaved to the system.
Yeah, Germany managed to do what the Wehrmacht failed at : subjugate Europe.

>>8740663
Thank you so much for your insight

>>8740618
And how the fuck are we going to pay for that? Hyperinflation when everyone stops buying our bonds? Sure the Fed can monetize the debt, but if you print too much money it becomes inflationary as hell.
>>8740625
China's playing the long game. If they "cave" you can be sure it's a strategic move calculated to gain a long-term advantage.

What's with LBCC up so much afterhours?

>>8740523
>I don't see a ban on Muslims
The ban has been in effect for about 4 months:

> On December 4, the Supreme Court allowed the ban to go into full effect, pending legal challenges.

>>8740529
Gonna be diamonds

>He Shorted

>>8732071
You guys think it's from the market being over valued and the raise in rates, what was it 25 BP?

Anyhow, time to get out of the big dogs and into shit like BPMX and NVCN

Me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=61Q6wWu5ziY pic related

I'm only in this thread to collect some pink wojacks that I might not have

>Stock futures plunge, with the Dow set for a more than 500-point drop, after China announces tariffs

>>8740622
Is your biggest position a tech bull ETF?

>>8740735
>9.15

>>8740739
Those screams

>>8740706
There will be no hyper inflation. China has to continue to buy US debt, if they sell the US treasuries they will run up the value of their currency and they lose the trade war. If the US dollar drops in value it is good for an exporting nation. This is a war of who can lose the most before they fold up like paper tiger.

>>8740729
Its not a ban on muslims, imbecile stooge.

>>8740670
I'm not. I'm just saying that national security is expensive, and you need a good economy to pay for it. It also helps to have a content and prosperous populace. It's hard to maintain national security when you're broke and are playing whack-a-mole with domestic crises.
>>8740703
Yes. The Germans have gotten smarter and are doing a lot better than they were when they relied on their military. It's no accident that the ECB HQ is in Frankfurt.

>>8740617
>one shouldn't do rash things like announce tariffs out of the blue
He has been talking about tariffs on China for over five years now. Anyone who was caught by surprise hasn't been paying attention.
>Canada and Mexico are radically different countries, and it was foolish to think you could shoehorn both into a common trade agreement.
I agree wholeheartedly with this, but NAFTA has been around forever and Trump is the only one who is actually trying to fix it.
>We should also focus on getting trade deals with similarly situated countries first. We should have had a trade deal with Japan ages ago.
Agree.
>The lack of Federal budget discipline is another
That's on Congress.
>Currency issues are another area that can receive attention.
He has addressed this, but ultimately it's up to the FED.
>Trying to change too much too quickly is disruptive though and causes more harm than good
He is working under a time constraint. While he is likely to get re-elected there is no guarantee, also the republican lead in the senate is tenuous at best.
>Not that I want to copy Germany, but they seem to be a lot better governed than we are, running trade and budget surpluses with lower interest rates. Maybe we could learn something.
I don't think Germany's current trajectory is something I'd want to copy. I don't think it's sustainable.

>>8740739
The Federal Reserve isn't helping. They've flattened the yield curve way too much, and are on a course to invert it. If they invert the yield curve we're fucked. They need to stop raising rates, and if anything should cut them. They shouldn't raise short term rates unless the 30 year end of the yield curve starts moving up. Right now 30 year rates are pegged around 3%, and 10 year rates aren't much lower, so this is no time to be raising short-term rates.
A year ago the yield curve was much steeper, and we had a good year for stocks. In that year 30 year rates have been stuck and are essentially the same. All the other rates have gone up. It's no wonder the stock market is starting to stall.

Going to keep buying NVCN! See you on the moon! Another 2000$ in!

>>8740850
> he dindu nuffin, its the swamp stopping his based ideas
i can't believe people are this retarded

>>8740673
As I said before, debts are not necessarily a problem depending on :
- who is holding the debts (domestic or foreign ?)
- can you issue the currency in which you are borrowing ?
- is your country producing valuable stuff and services ?

The final position depends on the answers to these questions.

Japan for example :
- the debts are mostly held by the Japanese people themselves. The government can decide to cuck them hard by making laws that would benefit them?
- their debts are issued in JPY so they can print more if needed
- Japanese products are relatively sought after and are desirable. Even if JPY is printed non stop, it is still a valuable and desirable currency because you want to use it to buy Japanese stuff

Turley, which several months had a severe liquidity problem
- the debts are mostly held others
- many debts are labeled in foreign currencies USD and EUR
- Turkish industry lol. So despite repeatedly devaluing the Lira, it is quite a useless currency since not many desirable goods/services are produced in the country. So nodoby want to hold debts labeled in Lira and would insist borrowing in USD or EUR

>>8740760
Not quite, AMZN

>>8740850
>Likely to get re-elected
Not at this rate. We're poised to enter a long-term bear market and on the verge of being locked into a devastating trade war with China. Trump will lose a great deal of his base if he leaves the economy worse off than he inherited it.

>>8740684
>expecting all campaign promises to be completed overnight
It’s gonna take decades to reverse the damage done by liberals and cuckservatives and NOTHING will be easy. NOTHING. We’ve pissed away what made us a superpower over the last 50 years. That just doesn’t comeback.
You’re still in denial about what’s happening around you. Do you remember Baghdad Bob? You remind me of him. First it’s “he’s not building a wall” and now that he is its “b-but Mexico isn’t paying so drumpf is a failure.” You move the goalposts.
You’re entire world is crashing down and your only response is “nope, it’s not happening.”
One day youll wake up and America will be great again, and you’ll realize that the only thing you did was post denial threads on a Sudanese chainsaw trading forum, sipping $15 cups of Starbucks latte and wearing your Rick and Morty pajamas.

>>8740888
>i can't believe people are this retarded
How meta of you. If you ever find your brain then feel free to make an actual argument.

Is anyone here making consistent profit in 5-minute Nadex forex options?

Going cheap on options seem like effectively gambling but the easy, smaller gains are wiped out by fees

>>8740929
The easy decision was to elect Bernie.

How many more days of 2-3% drops are left?

>>8740896
I'm not looking to argue, but please understand that you're explaining the economics of currency without actually answering what you would do to balance the trade deficit with China. My guess is if it was up to you then you wouldn't do anything and that isn't an option for Trump. It would be if this was his second term, but it isn't.

>>8740988
ANSWER ME, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8740917
You probably thought he wouldn't win in the first place either. Incumbent presidents have a huge advantage and wishful thinking doesn't change that. He'll win re-election and then a Democrat will win the term after that.

>>8741028
Anon, this is it.

>premarket
>Already down 1.5%
DRUUUUUUMPF

This pre-market

>>8741028
Once all the soy boys with weak hands who shit themselves everytime Trump tweets leave things will be fine.

>>8741046
Some one call the fed, we need pump it, boomer money is flowing out.

In all seriousness, is NVDA a good buy now @ 215?

>>8741050
Some Bankrupt Soybean farmer might do us all the favor.

>>8740684
> hurr how would you do "retarded thing", and saying you wouldn't isn't a valid answer
>you guy the answer you deserved
I understand you're probably new, but we have these things known as "ids" that you can use to tell people apart. If you need any more tips just let me know, newfriend.

>>8741074
The Chinese are unironically their fastest growing market. Short

>>8740998
Oh sorry, I didn't give the actual answer
As for the Chinese holding US debts : I don't think it is a problem.

There won't be a default since the FED can just print more USD.
China would dump the treasuries ? That is good since that would devalue the USD, making US exports cheaper and more competitive than Chinese exports.

And besides, devaluation can both be good or bad. For example, Afghanistan devaluating is bad because this country produce next to nothing of value, so others would lose trust in their currency
The USA actually has desirable goods and services. It is also a big country with power and influence. The currency will still be trusted and used and US products will get more competitive.

Of course that would make travelling more expensive. But isn't sick of retarded normies shitting on other people's cultures and sacred sites while snapchating their penises ?

>>8741066
The fed doesn't show up until despair

>>8740783
No, I don't actually believe there will be hyperinflation. The anon I was responding to made a comment about a real war. In a shooting war then you might be facing the hyperinflation scenario. I do not see that happening, though you never know.
I think it would be dangerous to overestimate the strength of the US position. I don't even like China very much, but the reality is that relative to us their position is strengthening. They have more manufacturing, a lot more people, and are fiscally in a much better position. We screwed up and now we're paying the price. Braggadacio isn't going to be enough going forward. We need to be realists.

>>8741076
Most farmers hedge

YES YES YES

Buying puts on GE are paying off!

>>8740987
The reality is we were fucked no matter who won.

yall think this is gonna slide again? i think we might get a good run opening down this low, after we find the floor, that is

>>8741060
Trump's Twitter feed needs to be shut down. That's no way to govern. Fuck that shit.

TICK TOCK. The dump is coming upon quickly here. Good thing i brought my rope to work with me this morning.

>>8741060
this

>>8741158
Trump tweeted that we are not in a trade war. Expect green markets.

1-800-273-TALK
Good luck anons. I love you all.

down 500 and the bell hasnt even rung yet, this should be f-fun g-guys...

guys...

REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8741186
kek
but trump tweeted at all. that normally warrants a 700 point slide on the DOW

How long until AMD reaches $6? Tomorrow or a week from now

$SPOT

>JUSTed on crypto
>JUSTed on stocks

I should've left my money in my savings account

it will finish black, don't worry

should i invest in orange juice or cocao stocks? is there any promising news coming out for these two products?

>>8741158
It's been down so much I feel the Institutional sellers will probably wait for 270

>>8741186

>>8741057
Were you expecting something else?

>>8741095
>As for the Chinese holding US debts : I don't think it is a problem.
I don't either, but that doesn't address the trade deficit.
>China would dump the treasuries ?
Maybe a little, if they dumped it all then they would be crashing their own market as well. The FED is raising rates because of the strength of the dollar. Once again though, Trump has been addressing currency, but it's up to the FED. He can only control what is within his power.

>>8741232
and i wish i had taken my vol short a day later but thats how it be. looks like we could climb from here, sans FAANGmemes

>>8741249
exactly. the sell off has been so total in every sector, there are a bunch of good companies that are absolutely on sale. they will wait a little longer maybe, as we likely have a few more good drops in us, but this shit is opportunity, especially for those with a bunch of cash to burn, and a long enough timeframe

A lot of things are on sale, what are you boys buyin?

Gap Fill
Bear Trap
Short Squeeze

>>8741274

Are you honestly saying we will have a green day? Haven't even seen the 10:30 sell off yet.

>>8741281
>Buying now
Everything is just going to keep dropping until one can anticipate when Trump and China come to some form of agreement

>>8741303
yes until the jews and illuminati force Drumpf to kiss and make up with Xi shit will continue cratering

>>8741256
In a really free trade environment, currency devaluation would naturally bring down trade deficit since it makes imports more expensive and exports more competitive, bringing in more foreign currencies. But things are more complicated than that and Trump simply applies a very simple solution

As for the USD and China dumping treasuries, I think China is in the "Head, China sucks USA's dick, tail, China gets buttfucked by the US" situation.

>>8741281
looking at grabbing some of the CRSPR stocks. they are all so cheap because of techpocolypse. might have to wait for them to show signs of life again, but i made a lot of money on EDIT when it was in its 20s. nice stock with a good company and tons of volatility. also want to get back into SQ at some point.

>>8741297
sure, ill go on record. although im saying less green, and more like clawing our way back to where we were at the bell yesterday. but considering where we started, thatd be a good run

>>8741320
>joking about the jews

>>8741281
I'm buying CLUB. It is Master's week so money is going to funnel into stocks with funny golf names.

>>8741328
nothing actually happens to China if it dumps US treasuries. They will just have all this cash in USD that they won't know what to fucking do with.

>>8741303
Pretty much this. Fundamentals of the economy are really really good. They'll make some sort of deal and this shit will be forgotten about within a year.

>>8741066

This retail is quietly getting the fuck out.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-03/morgan-stanley-retail-quietly-fleeing-market

>>8732212
In the morning citizen

>>8741371
>stealing hubcaps is a trait of all monkeys
wew

Green Day today?

>>8740625
I don't think you retards realize how popular Xi is. Just look at Russia, even with an economic collapse, Putin's popularity remains sky high. Meanwhile Trump has been under 50% his entire term during a fucking bull market.

Just trade Put options for AMD and WFT. Look at these gains

Trump is unironically a complete and utter retard

>>8741333
I am getting JUST'ed everyday by muh CAR-T hemophelia therapy hodls
But I should get mentally strong since a catalyst will coming in the coming months

Long QURE ONCE SGMO BMRN

>>8741347
>China dumps US treasuries
Indeed, the USD has nowhere to go and Emperor Trump just DENIED further Chinese investment into the US

So the USD is down the shitter and suddenly, US goods and services are not so expensive anymore and can compete easily with Chinese goods and services.

I can't see a complete winning position for China and its still mostly export driven economy

>>8741397
> economic collapse
it grew at 1.8% in 2017 which is better than the UK

Papa Buffet told me not to sell at a loss.
But these hints of a full on crash are making me nervous

>>8741440
>But these hints of a full on crash
Like what retard?

>>8741371
>retail is quietly getting the fuck out
this will invariably be a good thing
literally no reason to open down 2% across the board. once the people who jump when trump coughs get out, we will return to a more normal market i believe, but when exactly i cant say

>>8741417
got out of all of them when they started sliding in the end of jan. since then ive hardly even looked as ive been anticipating this volatility
also
>So the USD is down the shitter and suddenly, US goods and services are not so expensive anymore and can compete easily with Chinese goods and services.
>I can't see a complete winning position for China and its still mostly export driven economy
been telling everyone this for weeks. the dude is trying to corner china into doing something that will undermine their competitiveness. good on you anon for not being a sheep

>>8741417
the thing that is worrying is all the wall mart welfare shitters which make up the majority of the country, they have no savings at all and the prices on the shit they buy just rose and the value and buy power of their salary just dropped

>>8741371
>elect a complete imbecile
>Sell all the stocks
>retire in Florida and gamble away gains

Gee whiz thank you boomers

>>8741440
But papa Buffett doesn't invest in memes and is actually confident in the recovery of his positions.

>>8741328
>>8741347
China sold $150billion worth of U.S treasurys in 2015 and it didn't do shit. If they dumped all $1trillion then it might do something, but China doesn't want to do that because it isn't in China's best interest.

>>8741454
doesnt matter. they just cashed out now rather than hedging against upcoming inflation. they are gonna have a lot less money than they thought they did in a few years. theyll get theirs

isn't populism great gaiz :')

>>8741079
> what is phone-scum

>>8741467
it's because China has literally nowhere to put all the fucking USD surplus they have from trade with the US so they shove it back into US treasuries. IF shit escalates into proper trade war they can do whatever the fuck they want

Good start for /kolabois/, Spotify keeps falling like a rock.

Was the Dump Cancelled?
I'm Confused

>Dat Hollow Candle

How does this thread run from 7:30 last night to now? What the fuck is going on?

>>8741450
I don't know if I am a sheep or not. Or even if I am right.
I read Art of the Deal and I feel Trump won't be taking that kind of gambit without having the odds on his sides.

The only thing to know if I am right is to find a way to profit off it, but since I am a brainlet, I haven't yet :(

>>8741451
Fuck them
I am a firm believer that what make a country civilized and hard working is discipline instilled by the good old physical pain, which unfortunately is very quick to forget.

this is great news. we can buy in lower during the bear market, and the American economy will finally become strong again as we begin to make things here. i'm cool with buying in low for a while so the Chinese exploitation can finally come to an end. only brainlets think this is a bad thing. the real economy will boom and the market will eventually follow. let the market take some short term pain

Massive gap down at open. I loaded up with my entire remaining cash for a day or possible swing trade. Market is being panicky as fuck and i will happily drink the tears.

the market is actually doing a lot better than i thought it would. I imagine all the retail already fucked off or are just hodling while the institutions aren't looking to sell.

Then again Power Hour hasn't happened yet

Pretty comfy here, trusted my instincts and bought puts to protect all my positions 2 weeks ago.

$TSLA is up again

Powered by nothing except normie hype, and 18650 batteries

>>8741556
Really, I actually called what Musk would do last week, before his April Fool tweet.

People are delusional if they think they can short TSLA all the way down to 0.

>>8741500
How would that help China? It wouldn't, it would hurt them. The last time they did that it was because they badly needed the cash to prop up their own market.

>>8741532
Stocks are now more volatile than crypto.

>>8741588
it wouldn't hurt them nearly as much as it would hurt the US they will just spend it on more mines in Angola or buying shit in Australia and Canada the US absolutely needs China to buy US treasuries even if the halt purchases it will have a significant effect

EDGE is pumping up right now.

This past month has sucked for me

>>8741429
Wasn't referring to 2017, -2.8% in 2015.

Every day I fall deeper in love with the Bloomberg girl.

I wonder what her portfolio looks like

>>8741653
Post her

>>8741548
We're above the opening levels but things could still go either way. At least we're not in a freefall.

>>8741670
and rules34 on her

You know what is fucked up. If I had waited to do my taxes then I wouldnt have paid as much after this crash.
Im down 5000 in my mutual funds and 600 in my personal.

Holy christ . Weed stocks are fucked. Im ruined. Brb killing myself

>>8741626
How old are you

>>8741730
>Don't do drugs kids

Starting to rise. Was it a head fake?

Does anyone in /smg/ own any fast food stocks?

At least my bond funds are up so far.

>>8741730
K but don't sell though. You will regret it in a month.

>>8741747
If this isn't a dead cat I'm killing myself

>>8741776
wait till power hour you dumb nigger. You aren't missing out on anything

>>8741548
It was all known. All this macro shit comes from the government, and the market knows. That fucking stick save in the end of the day should clued you in that bad news is coming. Market was selling off until the planted AMZN story appeared. When shit is bad you can see the mechanics of what's happening, and make globs of money. In the regular course of trading, all the insider trades are hidden. When they can't inside trade weird shit happens to provide entry point.

>>8741670
She's Claimed as my Official Wiafu so fapping to her is prohibited.

>>8741730
...You get in late?

>>8740401
>up for reelection soon
You mean congress.
He hasnt even hit his halfway point yet.

>>8741786
Did I imply I wasn't doing exactly that?

>>8741618
Wrong. Maybe if the American economy was in dire straits, but its humming right now. Japan and other countries would scoop up a lot of those treasurys real quick, just like last time. China would hurt itself at least equally if not more by dumping. People like to fall for the doom and gloom predictions for some reason, but they're way off. Here is a quote from Paul Krugman: "If your image is of a nation that's already deep in hock to the Chinese, you've been misinformed."

>>8741585
> Short
> What is out of the money puts on fraud tier shit?

Get in on KMI. Expected to announce a large boost to their dividend at earning on the 18th. If earnings is good again and people like the dividend boost I could see them hovering closer to 20 than the 15 it's at now.

>>8741759
you thinking fast food consumption will increase with reduction of poor peoples purchasing power? thats an interesting thought. shill me some

>>8741804
i'd let her hike my interest rate, if you get my drift

>>8741804
>That angular face
More protoss than human.

>>8741849
shit taste desu

>>8741849
I would still plow my psiblade into her vagina if you know what I mean

>>8741810
No i actually timed the first surge perfectly. Bought in October and sold near the top in Jan. Sat on cash and decided to reenter at 32$ the other day. Big fucking mistake, so much for bull news, kill me

>>8741811
He already filed for re-election, hired a new campaign manager, has a new slogan and is doing multiple rallies. He is almost in peak campaign form already, friend.

ICFI can not keep running up like this. I might have to sell this company and buy a better company like VIX.

>>8741814
i don't buy the whole humming shit. I don't know what its based on except muh stawk. To me the state of the economy has all to do with sales and inventories and retail sales have been dropping and inventories have been increasing which comes down to people buying less shit.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-retail/u-s-retail-sales-falter-inflation-creeping-higher-idUSKCN1GQ1N2

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-inventories/u-s-business-inventories-rise-sales-post-largest-drop-in-one-and-a-half-years-idUSKCN1GQ1ZX

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-business-inventories-jump-06-in-january-big-rise-in-autos-2018-03-14

>>8741895
>keep america great
weak memes desu
he should in hire /pol/ to be his campaign manager. they are his biggest cheerleaders

>>8741895
What hes doing and what is real are two different things. The campaign trail hasnt even started yet. Anything he does from now until fall 2019 wont matter.
The country changes drastically year from year and the policies of today might not be the policies that matter during election year.

>>8741932

oh fugg he's gonna lose with such a weak meme. hopefully some autist will change it for him by then

>>8741895
I honestly don't think he's going to be able to get a second term. The media has absolutely declared war on him from day one, and normies are so brainwashed that they believe anything the news tells them, quite literally. Wouldn't be shocked if he was a one term president. That's assuming the Dems don't run Satan as a candidate again.

>>8741856
>Irish Catholic
>Plays Violin

niBBA

>>8741804
I'd liquidate some of my portfolio even it i meant recognizing short term gains for a higher marginal tax rate and give all the proceeds to her myself and take the 1099-B tax hit on my schedule D if I could just lick her thighs for 5 minutes after the bell rings, maybe lick the puss for a second to see her squirm as we look at volatility and decide what we're going long on.

Fuck the markets, this tariff bullshit should have already been priced in.

>>8741947
He had full legislative power and accomplished nothing except spending more money and raising less in taxes. If he keeps the house I will be in shock.

>>8741985
It wouldnt be too shocking because D have more seats up for reelection. I can see it going both ways.

>>8741985
Nothing of what you said has anything to do with what I said.
I was talking about him campaigning.

>>8741982
OBSESSED

>>8741921
>ICFI can not keep running up like this. I might have to sell this company and buy a better company like VIX.
holy shit is this some new pasta?

>>8741966
>mfw
wew
chill out bruh im tryin to trade

>>8742028
No, there is a flood of people here that are just that new.

>>8742003
The whole house is up for reelection...

>>8742004
I'm telling you that if he is able to accomplish anything policy wise between 2019 and the 2020 election I will be in shock.

>>8741947
>Anything he does from now until fall 2019 wont matter
You couldn't be more wrong. Do you honestly believe if he manages to start construction of the wall then it wouldn't be a huge fucking point of contention during future debates? Seriously? I know people have short term memories, but Trump has a knack for touting his own accomplishments whether it's warranted or not. Everything matters in an election even if it's shit from decades ago, look at Roy Moore.

>what products will be affected when going to a trade war against china
>Soybeans
every time

>TESLA
I hate them so fucking much and I hate TESLA investors. They cannot be allowed to win.
Their bonds are nearing junk status and faggots are still buying their stock.

>>8742087
Farmers always hedge against bumper crops & conversely famine &c, this isn't that much of a big deal. Go look at the commodity indexes.

>>8742050
What he does as president and what he does on the campaign trail are two different things.
Both will impact him being reelected but campaigning specifically means holding rallies and hyping your platform up for the election.
Theres no way he can hype up his platform 2 years before the election because the issues that matter today arent going to be the issues that matter during the election year which is what everyone is going to base their votes on.
>>8742072
You are also saying things he does as president while Im talking about him starting his campaign today.
Its like trying to tailor a resume for a company when you have no idea what the company will be focused on.

>>8742072
Wall was already supposed to be up and paid for by southern spic friends. Also LOCK HER UP, uh guess that's not gonna happen. He hasn't done anything, stop drinking the cheeto-aid.

>>8741965
I think the odds that we'll be in a recession by the end of 2020 are extremely high. The current economic cycle is in a pretty mature stage.

>>8741965
He'll get another term. No strong opponent will want to run against an incumbent. Especially with Bernie waiting in the wings again. They'll just wait four more years and throw a lamb in for 2020. Most likely a diversity pick.

Am I supposed to sell NG today if they are reporting earnings after the markets close?

>>8742111
I actually believe that if shtf for Musk and TSLA, Chinese investors will be more than willing to buy the company
Besides, Musk might actually pull off his meme

>>8742111
>watch betting on zero
>a full blown ponzi scheme is allowed to win because investors dont give a single fuck

To be fair, Herbalife is a scam that makes an undeniable profit.
Tesla is just dreams.

>>8742184
> Chinese investors will be more than willing to buy the company
he already tried to sell it to the Chinese and failed.

> Musk might actually pull off his meme
he won't he doesn't have the meme power.

>>8742048
im gonna use it. that shits hilarious

>>8742165
Really, yeah what Trump is doing hurts. But we are rustling jimmies, being alpha and drinking faggets' tears.
This is priceless.

>>8742184
And a TSLA car killed an asian while in autopilot mode. Their AI knows and TSLA may get contracts with the DoD.

>>8742048
makes me wanna make a whole fake page to link to people, explaining that VIX is the most industrious company in the world, and thrives in the market during pure chaos.

Cheetoman just tweeted again. "When you're already down 500 billion you can't lose." Brace your selves, we're crashing today with 0 survivors.

>>8742226
I can't buy anything with rustled jimmies and faggot tears.

>>8742123
>You are also saying things he does as president while Im talking about him starting his campaign today.
Its like trying to tailor a resume for a company when you have no idea what the company will be focused on.
Are you being facetious? You really can't figure out what his platform will be a year from now? He'll list all the things he still wants to do while touting anything he sees as an accomplishment like the supreme court pick and the tax cuts. The problem is you're thinking about how other presidents usually do things and he doesn't fit that mold.

>>8741653
Kristen Scholer is the ultimate stock market qt

>>8742241
thx just bought 100k

>>8741232
Go buy BND. Incredibly boring, incredibly safe.

>>8742288

>>8742284
What I am trying to say is, sometimes, people just want blood and dominate others.

>>8742274
>"When you're already down 500 billion you can't lose
kek

>>8742289
>press to accept
>press to accept
KeK

>>8742184
They can't raise money via secondary. Surely M&A will happen. Come on. This pumping is an attempt to goose up the SP to sell more shares. You should be asking why he didn't raise money in $300s. Because he can't. He also had a big block of stock vested for keeping the SP above $280 for 6 months. That also could be the reason for not doing a secondary. As soon as the block vested, SP dropped. If there is a recession, this is zero no matter what the guy does.

>>8742310
Those two are probably thinking the same thing.

>>8742241
Way ahead of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vix_Technology

>>8742127
>stop drinking the cheeto-aid.
I'm not, he wasn't my candidate, although neither was Hillary. I'm not supporting Trump, I'm merely stating facts, not sure why facts upset so many people. Nothing is more offensive than the truth, I guess.

Why did my Robinhood market order for TVIX from last night for this morning not go through and now im out 10%? Now can I sue, obviously I deserve my gains how do I get my stolen profit back?

>>8742326
I know your position. This is very logical. 8 out of 10 of Cucking Beta's "short ideas" are about TSLA being trash
But TSLA stock is crazy and defies any logic.

But in this crazy crazy world is being normal so good, huh ???

>>8742312
I understand that. Those things don't interest me though. Money does.
I'm surprised biotech is doing relatively well today.

>>8742388
One of the problems with RH is it's wildly unreliable. But you get what you pay for with trading platforms.

>>8742287
Tell me things he has done today that will not change over the next 2 years?
The border wall that will either balloon in price or have unexpected delays because the military is doing it.
His deals with russia that will definitely evolve over time because its two countries doing their own things.
His tariffs that are brand new today but in a year will have enough impact to either make or break him?
Its easy to say >spout accomplishments while diminishing negatives.
What specifically can he say today that will be relevant and consistent for two years?

>>8742355
>post contains all speculation
I'm just stating facts anon! Don't get butthurt over facts!

>>8742453
at this point i have to cancel my 'market order' thats just sitting there for hours at this point, and once i have $10k liquidity move to interactivebrokers and shittalk Robinhood everywhere, keep anybody else from getting scammed this badly

>>8742404
I don't outright short. I buy deep out of the money puts. Frauds are bad shorts. They are great on black swan events. It's free money. When the recession hits, people like me clean up. 2008 was the best year for my trading ever. Everything played out. The next recession shit like TSLA will just play out too. It's not fast, but very profitable to be rational.

Who is Pumping CASI so Hard Holy Shit.

It might actually hit my 7.50 short target.

>>8742388
>>8742453
>>8742497
>trusting a trading platform that loans your shares to short sellers among other weird shit to make money.

>>8742520

>>8742388
That 10% was from pre-market behavior

Unless you had access your shit wasn't gonna execute until the market actually opened

>>8742481
Incumbents are the favorite in an election. That is a fact, not an opinion. This isn't complicated.

based PEP

>>8742566
Incumbents are normally the favorite. If you know anything about this incumbent you will understand he is far from normal.

>>8742529
I absolutely do not trust RH and I never said that. Don't know where you got that from.

>>8742404
What you don't realize is that when you have something that is worthless trading at any price, it's overvalued. So buying puts for higher strikes is a waste of money. You buy cheapest puts. Free leverage essentially. Because with $0 any return is 100% if you have puts. It's an arbitrage. Sure you can hold this up, but you will spend more money holding it up than me patiently waiting for the inevitable.

>>8742388
Market orders don't go through if the market is closed you fucking retard.

>>8742508
I don't have any position in TSLA
I just find the whole story (the EVs, the company, Musk) to be interesting and fascinating.

I don't know (and I don't want to judge) if Musk is a fraud or is genuinely having visions. Many things seem crazy at first but ended up being revolutionary. It is like Musk tries to implement stuff he loved in scifi into the real world, or trying to invent technology for still non-existant needs.

I am thinking about the Boring Company. What if it is a venture aiming at building a transportation solution for future cities to be built ?

Good luck in your bet m8

>>8742508
How far out are they?

>>8742497
I find limit orders work better on RH.

>>8742643
$50s Jan 2020

>>8742623
cuck thread btfo

Oh shit