/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>8642354
its much worse than university, way worse

you might as well kys now

>>8642354
I was thinking of suicide BEFORE I started a 9-5 x5 job.
I'm doing better now, but that's just me.

>>8642354
enjoy your forcefeeding and wagecuckcommuting

end it now

Some countries have 8 till 6 as an acceptable office shift, you better be glad for a 9-5 job goyim

>>8642354

The key thing is having screen privacy, make up some shit that you got mugged and get panic attacks if people walk behind you if you have too

>>8642354
Really depends on the job. If it's something you love doing, it's the best thing in the world to get paid for it.

If you hate, you'd hate it even if it was just one hour a day.

>>8642395
Mexico is 8 till 7 in some companies where the idiot employees let themselves get exploited.
Be a good wagecuck and don't complain about the measly 7 hours + 1 lunch hour you'll have to endure 5 days a week till the day you die.

lads how do I make enough money remotely so that I can travel? I just want to not waste the better half of my day (and life) at a fucking desk

I graduated five years ago with:
1-) $60K in debt.
2-) 12% bodyfat.
3-) Head full of hair.
4-) Perfect health.
5-) Dreams.

Now I have:
1-) $20K in ETH.
2-) 29% bodyfat.
3-) Receding hairline.
4-) Scary medical bills every month.
5-) A divorce.

>>8642446
buy chainlink

>>8642354
4 options for basically everyone:

1. Graduate in something where you can make mad fucking dosh, work your ass off for 10 years, get the satisfaction of a job well done and then retire in your early 30's
2. Graduate in something where you can get a job you actually enjoy
3. Get a 9-5 that's basically not even a job where you can bring a laptop and just shitpost and watch youtube all day
4. Work 3 days a week (or 2 days a week on weekends) and make enough for a modest life where the majority is free time and no alarm clock

>>8642485
portfolio already 90% LINK brah

NPCs have to work so those of us who are real can live a good life
That's just how it is

Most people here don't have career's or degrees. Truly the lower end of society. If you've got a good degree, enjoy your career. If not, LMAO @ YOUR LIFE.

you'll get used to it

>>8642493
>all in chainlink
good luck supporting yourself with a 9-5
youre gonna need 2 jobs the way u handle money

so dont work full time?

>>8642463
Shit senpai what went wrong?

I'm an army fag and civilian jobs seem so chill desu, I dunno why you guys complain.

On the other hand, the repetitive nature of a clerical job and the lack of camaraderie with the colleagues probably makes doing the usual 9 to 5 less fun.

>tfw getting wasted with the dudes cause it's the boss man's b-day since 7 am.

>>8642354
/adv/ is this way. Leave.

>>8642582
he got married

>>8642354
When you get kids, having a place to escape them from 9 to 5 is a blessing

>>8642582
>>8642597
Yeah, I got married.
And you know what the worse part is? She was one year younger than me, we met early in the same college and I was sure that everything was going to be great.
We married when she graduated, and after that not only she quit her part time job, and NEVER got employed again, was with a ready excuse.
I got fat working like a madman (only constant pleasure was eating), stress might have made me balding earlier than normal, my health problems have to do with the increased weight and lack of exercise (pre-diabetic and other shit). I finally managed to get her a good job (paying almost as much as mine) but she straightly refused a done thing because working 40 hours every week was no way to live.
Now I still have to work like a madman for another year until I am free from alimony and can try to pick the pieces.

>>8642653
she cheat on you anon?
do you have kids?
how old are you?
is crypto your last hope too?
i think you can still recover from this.

>>8642653
the play was to quit work and go couch surf until she left you

>>8642610
This, no wonder women want to join the workforce, even though after school care costs more than they earn by working.

>>8642683
>she cheat on you anon?
No, that is one of the few blessings that I can count.
>do you have kids?
No, turns out that she is pretty much infertile. Her plan the whole time was to get pregnant (confessed fucking up with birth control since the wedding) and be a "stay at home mom".
>how old are you?
28
>is crypto your last hope too?
You could say that.
>i think you can still recover from this.
I am not making any real money right now. What I can hope is to be able to fix my body and health, but even if ETH reaches $1K, I will be 30, with a $80K/year job, an old car and only $50K in savings.

>>8642712
The play was to get her murdered. At least I would keep the good car.

>>8642653
I'm married now, have been for 3 years. I really empathize with you. I'm not sure what to do with my own life anymore but I understand. I don't believe in divorce, yet I'm suicidal. Anyway I hope it works out better for you now.

>>8642737
wait if you dont have kids you still have to pay alimony? Ho does this shit work?
>she cheat on you anon?
>No, that is one of the few blessings that I can count.
As far as you know. But stay with me. If you can prove she cheate don you, can't you present that to court and unjust yourself from alimony?
I've seen it happen in series at least

>>8642737
youre still young anon,
you can still recover,
good for you didnt have kids.
im 30 and still a loser.

>>8642488
Underatted.

Would also observe that depending on your personality, (1) can be fucking good fun. I am 3 yrs into IB, work nearly 100 hrs a week but the work is very interesting and intense. Which i like. Despite the hours i would say i actually have a better life than my friends doing 9-5 because i actually feel like I am going somewhere. Sure, they watch 3 hr of netflix a day, but in 30 years they will be marinally richer and no more fulfilled. Also; when i do have time off I can fucking ball. Op, i would say you can either shy away and become a depressed NEET (why do you think they feel the need to post so many anti- wage cuck threads), or take the bull by the horns and go for greatness.

In almost any career, if you work 100 hrs a week for ten years out of college, you will be successful, and probably wealthy.

depends what u do, Ima mechanic working 7 till 5 and its good and good money

>>8642369
It's called stockholm syndrome

>>8642765
I did not even feel like a man at the end of my marriage. Things could have been different if she brought something to the table, but god, I am not sure if I will ever be able to go through something like that again.

>>8642769
Since she was used to a certain lifestyle and whine whine whine blah blah blah, I am forced to support her for a while.

>>8642772
Anon, I basically just threw away some of the potentially best years of my life for almost nothing.
Somewhere there was a NEET with a degree that did nothing but play vidya, watch anime and masturbate. If that guy cleans his act now, we might be at the same level next year, because the place where I work might be gone next year - and I can't quit and take my time finding something else, because i am FORCED to pay that bullshit, it is either that or jail.

I like it a lot more than uni, you can start keeping a normal schedule and when you go home you don't have to think about work at all. Plus making money is nice.

Disclaimer is that I work for the government and get flex time, decent annual leave, and rostered days off.

>>8642354
My perspective is that starting off with a new job in your field is always great and interesting because you're learning new things and feel more confident once you get better at it.
But almost always after about 3 to 4 months it gets mostly repetitive. And that's the moment you actually start making money for the company, because you're efficient in this little scope that you're responsible for. So actually profitable working is actually boring by definition.
This is why I started being an entrepreneur. Instead of staying and doing 1 job, I train someone else to do it and move on myself.

>>8642826
It's not because I love the job or anything like that.
Being occupied with smething helps keep away the shitty thoughts for a good part of the day.
And I'm finally making some money of my own so there's that too.

>>8642939
>not automating your entire job without your boss finding out and getting paid to browser 4chan and playing mobage all day

>>8642966
Been there, done that, but it's not a long term fulfilling activity

>>8642354
At first you will. For me this lasted for about a month, and then seceeded before returning briefly around a year later. Thankfully, I love my job and essentially get payed good money for what I used to do for free, for fun. Now the stakes are higher because of huge responsibilities and things like a mortgage.

It gets better man, as long as you truly love what you get payed for and work with genuinely awesome people.

>>8642653
Your own fault for making her work, a happy wife is one at home with kids and has time to look after her husband.
Lrn2nature.

>>8643200
She obviously wasn't doing that you stupid roastie.

>>8642354
welcome to real life.
People hated me in college, when I used to tell them about future routine.
Now they hate themselves

Fucking millennials will do anything to not work. Don't worry yol eventually kys and the strong will rise and thrive.

>>8643223
Cus he pimped her out into wage slaving. Instead of giving her babbies.
I know he said she was "practically infertile" i bet he didn't try ivf or whatever other stuff is around these days.

>>8642782

Are those 100 hours even real? Are they really 100 hours of pure work? Everytime I read those kind of numbers, I always think they're bullshit.

Answering OP, it really depends on the job or company you work in. In my case, I've got a remote gig, in which I clock 8 hours (but realistically, 6 hours of these are pure work, the rest is reading up stuff). I get paid decently enough and I don't need to be in a bullshit open space, however the lack of socialization is sometimes crippling. Therefore, I'd say it's a matter of picking your poison.

>>8642354
No is not bad faggot because you are making money. In fact you will be kicking your heels all the way to the bank. Be a man you little snowflake, your ancestors had a much rougher go at it.

>>8642782
if you work 100 hours a week for 10 years you will end up offing yourself

>>8642354
I have decently bad anxiety and I felt the same as an undergrad. It's not that bad as long as it's not 24/7 manual labor. I have a kush desk job and as long as I eat healthy and workout most days I feel fine

Im wageslaving in a hotel as a cook since one year ago, honestly i am less of an autist now and it has helpede see life with another perspective, i am also close to being laid dor thw first time in a long time.

>>8642354
Here I've outlined what you have to do.

1. Save all the time
2. Pay all debt, sell shit if you have to
3. Invest on good shit once you are debt free
4. Improve yourself and get more money so you can save more

Sell something whenever you need or want money to do something.

In 15-20 years you'll be better off than your wagecuck friend that started on a high paying job but didn't save or acquire shit even if you work at mcdonalds.

>>8642966
Why don't you use the free time to improve yourself and get a raise, higher pay job or even additional sources of income?

>>8642782
>. I am 3 yrs into IB, work nearly 100 hrs a week

oy vey, the state of this goy

>ork 100 hrs a week for ten years out of college, you will be successful, and probably wealthy.

Or you'll be sat around wondering why you pissed away the best years of your life and have absolutely nothing interesting to say about yourself to anybody apart from

>muh car
>muh house

Nobody gives a shit about you being rich.

Honestly, some people like that. Some want to be busy. Others legitimately enjoy what they do. There are actually great work environments, where the pay is good. Many people love the routine, love the discipline it brings. It's not like we created an entire system based on whipping people to work.
As long as a person has a good purchasing power, wagecucking can be more than acceptable and made many people somewhat happy. Trust me, that between doing jack shit oand working in a mediocre place (mediocre salary, hours, environment, etc), you will probably get quickly more depressed in the first option.
off course today things changed. purchasing power decline, which created a major shit in the work rewarding. also climbing the ladder is much much harder, highly dependable of networking which makes the effort for hard work even less rewarding.

>>8642369
This. I'm earning money and actually get social interaction and respect at work. At school all I accumulated was debt and stress. I feel like I'm making progress and doing a job is more fun than trying to memorize and understand shit like chemistry. I've made actual friends at work.

>>8642354
Its bad.

Hard labor is fucking refreshing, at least not the ones that kill your joints that is. Look for jobs where you wont stand around doing nothing or where there arent much old women. I am getting ptsd just thinking about these jobs.

>>8642868
Jesus you are a faggot. Get over yourself. She was a waste of time so fucking be it. Go get in shape and try some new thinks. And who the fuck cares if a neet may do better than you. Fucking hell just make the best of it go do a new intersting job and have fun in life. It take some time stop cry about your antiluck on taiwenese hentai board.

>>8643944

I actually dont think your wrong - how you perceive it is all that matters. We just think differently. But riddle me this:
I will be NEET when I am 35. I will not be employed. My money will work for me. I will devote the following 50 years of my life to pleasure and leisure. Any job or hobby I want. I can choose. Sure, i spent ten years when I am probably the most attractive and fit i will ever be. But thats a price i am prepared to pay.

>>8643903

I like the way you think! Listen to this man fellow anons.

>>8642354
i landed a pretty good job that pretty much lets me live as a NEET and save away for a thot. much easier than school too, most people in industry are idiots

>>8642354
9-5 is nothing. However, automation is going to replace nearly all work. We will have socialism at some point in our lives.

The cope in this thread is unbelievable. If I had to wagecuck I’d just kill myself

>>8642966
t. FiletOfFish1066

>>8642354

You get used to it. I'm posting from work right now. Having your own office helps.

>>8642354
If you can find a job that gives you some freedom to where you can browse the internet at work, it's not so bad. Find an interest online and pursue it on company time.

If you're working somewhere that you can't do this, it's gonna suck.

>>8642354
I dont like it but i get money. I dont plan on working my entire life so i save almost everything and find news ways to earn money. I will stack untill i dont need to work and can do anything i want

>>8642868
>>8642737
>$80k job, $50k savings
>threw away some of the potential best years of my life for almost nothing.

It's all good OP,it'll all work out. you're doing better than 99% of people where i'm from.
Also, some people's lives take off way past how old you are now, you've still got a good 60 years until your potential best years are behind you.

>>8642354
9-5 is good hours. Try working evenings.
>Wake up. Everyone is at work
>Go to work.
>Everyone gets off work and has happy laffy time
>Come home
>everybody is asleep.
I go entire weeks, months sometimes without any human interaction other than my coworkers.

>>8642354
you get used to thinking about suicide regularly

>>8642413
This 100%. I'm at work right now

>>8642488
how to get a job like (3) or (4)

>>8642354
It depends on the job, the co-workers, and the commute. Most times, they both suck. You will feel especially nihilistic if you are in a dead-end job.

Immerse yourself in your field or trade with the intent to move up and become an authority on it. If your job sucks, hold out until you find something better. Hit the gym before or after work.

Have a plan and realistic goals and your days will be fulfilled. Go without them, and you will end up in a dead-end job that challenges your existence

>>8643880
>improve yourself

>>8645817
This person knows. This is good advice. OP and everyone else interested, take this to heart.

>>8642354
My “shift”: 8-5

My actual shift, 8-10, 2 hour lunch, 12-3 or 4 depending on the day

I make 66k of anybodys wondering

>>8645817
>commute
This is something many people seem to underestimate. I've seen coworkers destroy their psyche by driving 3 hours every single day, and that's if they don't get traffic.

>not leeching off your parents and enjoying the neet life

>>8642653
I feel bad for people like you. You never had a chance. I was with my wife for ten years before we got married. To anyone reading this, you can find a good woman and be happy.

>>8642463

cant be different, depending on job:

graduated 3.5 years ago:

1) $10k in debt
2) full hair
3) dreams
4) 18% bodyfat
5) wanted to marry

now:
1) $150k in crypto
2) full hair, some gray already
3) ambitions
4) 12% bodyfat
5) dont want to marry

i work in finance in a client-facing position where i have to travel quite a lot, which helps staying healthy. also having money means you can relax and start not to give a fuck about anything.

>>8645982
I tried but I started feeling bad after 2 years. Now I'm leeching of my employer.

>>8643903
I was once like you, ya know. Always giving 120% of myself to my employers, passionate about whatever company I was working for. Then I noticed bosses simply do not care for efficiency, as I noticed from other anons experiences and my own too. They would rather have someone with a fake yet appealing image (like a chronical brown noser) in the higher paying positions than anyone who actually knows their shit and gets the job done.

I have come to the conclusion that 9-5 - in my country it's 8-6 - is literally for normies who cannot do anything else than push buttons and follow orders without questioning. We as anons (normans need not to relate) have a fuckton of habilities that do not require a normie job.

We know how to invest using crypto exchanges, while most normies can't even put money on Cuckbase.
Many of us are expert in many languages, specially weebs and their skill in Nihongo, so we could work as freelance translators. Normies don't even know their first language.
Others are skilled with computers while normies don't know anything beyond how to use Facebook, we could work as programmers or freelancer IT.
Anyways, we have a fuckton of skills that allows us to get money without the need to 9-5 like a robot. @OP: you don't need to join the system, the fact you're here probably means you've got a higher IQ than the average normie, so you'll do fine.

>>8642354
Should probably just kys now. It'll spare to the trouble of worrying about it.

>>8646134
I feel you, but for the time being my desire to not work vastly outweighs my guilt.

>>8642463
>receding hairline
Kill yourself.

>>8643235
You are pathetic. Millenial overlord here. I make 3k a month from adsense doing jack shit. Working is a SCAM. If you are working you are a KEK, know that.

>>8646301
>I make 3k a month from adsense

you need money to make money, right?

i mean you probably invested in a website or something

>>8646200
hehe cool story. for real, u have a point. I cant work for a fucking boss but i have interst in a lot of things while normie friends just do what they must. Im out here learning about crypto, watching intersting stuff about alot of subjects. Only problem is i am a jack of all trades and not an expert yet. And don't know where i want to be an expert in.

>>8646368
If you can afford to browse 4chan pretty sure you have money to begin with.

>>8642354
go to the police, if you don't live in a shit hole like the USA it's a nice job

Pros:

>treat people like shit if you like
>do whatever you want
>payment is not bad (depends on the country)
>fuck retarded bitches that get turned on by an uniform

Cons:

>90% of your coworkers are retards
>you can't shoot niggers for fun without getting arrested (depends on the country)
>you have to see some shit, but since you're browsing 4chan you won't care anyway
>night shifts

>>8642354
This is why everybody studies until their 30's cause nobody wants to work and pay ridiculous taxes

>>8642354
It sucks if you hate your job. It's doable if you like your job. It was hell when I was 25 because all I wanted to do was play video games and smoke weed. Then I got a bit older, I got married and had children. Now I enjoy working really hard to provide for my family, and I need less sleep than I did at 19-25, so I can function on 6-7 hours a night, and still beast it at work.

>>8642966
This, except I don't browse 4chan, I learn how other people do their jobs and then automate them.

>>8643903
You missed the point of what I said right at the start of your post, so here's the thing: It's not about the employer.

In your free time you could've studied something new so that you could tackle harder or different things at work and ask for a raise/promotion or perhaps find a better job or another source of income like handcrafting things and selling on etsy or becoming a blogger. You could have spent the free time trading stocks or virtual coins.

The employer is just the dude that pays you, improving yourself can result in him giving you more money or not. If you want more money and he wont give you then find another employer that does.

You should work on maximizing your own production, not the employer's. Increase in the employer production is either a side effect of your own improvement or a tool that you can use to negotiate a higher pay.

>>8642354

It depends if you like your job or not.

I recently volunteered to go from doing for 9.5 hours days to 5 because I get bored with three days off and I like my work and the people there.

If you hate what you do and your co-workers then you're gonna have a bad time.

>>8646401
You don't have to be an expert on anything, really. Do understand that the average individual is clinically retarded for our standards; I have spent several years thinking I was either worse than everyone else, or at very best, that I was an average person with average skills. Until I got out and met actual people. They lack even basic skills on [whatever] - you name it. If you're moderately competent at any (or many) area, you're a better professional than 70% of the market.

That's why normies need a 9-5 job: most of them don't have decent skills, so all they can do is lend their time, effort and energy to doing mechanical button-typing. We don't have to be like that.

every morning, sunday, and night you'll want to kys

>>8645752
Plenty of shit like 3. Everything from night shift at a nursing home to crane operator in some low traffic port to some bullshit administrative job in a municipality with 3,000 people. There's nothing special about it, but you have to find it yourself

4. Can be almost anything, it's just down to how the employer schedules hours. Alternatively you can get special competence like pipeline welder and do contracting work, where you do 4 weeks straight of field work but take home 20,000$ you can live off for several months.

>>8642354
You’re in fantasy land thinking it’s only going to be 9-5 5x a week if you’re going to actually make it.

Wages leaving 8-8 for less than a 25k euro a year, living in western EU country not 3rd world, enjoy your family 9- 5 only

>>8646688
You may put it anyway you'd like, but in the end, you're not generating extra productivity for yourself, but for whoever is your current employer. That's the cold hard fact: there are very few employers who can actually appreciate your rising productivity. They'll simply not give you anything for being a better worker, will cash in the money for the company and blabber to others how they are business geniuses.

For those who learn new things easily, who are not afraid of learning new ways of doing same things, and I include many anons in here, it is simply not worth it to dedicate so much of your time and youth to that system. Be self-employed, invest in decent assets and crypto, start your own business (and keep a watchful eye for great workers!), there are many alternatives to wagekekking.

>>8646624
Nicely done anon

>>8646764
My boy. Is good to hear this stuff, i just have to get started and stop overthinking indeed. normies indeed retarded. And I'm lucky enough to be pretty good socially. Thank you very much.

>>8646962
example 1:

>earn 1000 gold a month working at X, i can save 400 gold a month
>have free time at work
>study something new
>Y has a job opening that requires the skill i just learned
>get the job, now i earn 1200 gold a month i can now save 600 gold a month

your personal productivity increased 150%, meanwhile the old employer will have to find somebody else to fill the hole you left behind.

example 2:

>earn 1000 gold a month doing fucking nothing at company Y, still 5000 gold on college debt, can only pay 100 gold/month
>employer doesn't mind if i bring my own laptop to kill time
>spend 1-2 hours on daytrade every day
>manage to get extra 500 gold a month on average

debt free in 9 months ((500+100)*9 = 5400) instead of 50 and you can now start investing.

example 3:

>earn 1000 gold a month at Z, no debt, no savings no nothing
>have some free time and employer doesn't mind if i bring some jewelry stuff
>make rings, pendants and earrings on freetime and sell on etsy
>earn 150 gold/mo from my handcrafting

you can now save money and make an emergency fund. if you are good and advertise you'll sell more stuff and in time it'll be better if you quit your job to dedicate yourself to this new activity. soon enough you can hire someone part time to help you so you don't get RSI.

>>8646962
>>8647545

Hell, It doesn't even have to be something the market wants:

>suffer from depression/anxiety
>spend 50 gold/mo on medicines
>learn how to meditate on my freetime
>practice regularly
>3 month later i don't feel as depressed/anxious as before and the doctor reduces the doses
>spend only 25 gold/mo on medicines

- you spent zero money
- you got a tool to calm your mind during hard times
- you got 25/mo to spare
- you feel better because you are not as depressed/anxious as before
- you feel better because there's less drugs fucking you up

>>8647545
>>8647861
Are you assuming a 100% success rate on everything you are going to do?

God reading this thread made me depressed. What's the solution? doing art and selling it?

I really thought I was ganna make it...

what happened... why did it end up like this

>tfw tried to start my own business but it fell through

Fuck, I was so optimistic about this. Just ended up being harder than I anticipated.

I'm starting to accept the fact that the vast majority of people have two options in life:

1) Work 40 hours a week, never get ahead financially, but get to have a life outside of work

2) Work 60-100 hours a week, get ahead of everyone else financially, but have virtually no life outside of work

>>8647925
Nothing I can think of has 100% chance of success, but if you stay still you'll have 100% chance of failure.

Working 9-5 is not the end of the world and nobody is obliged to die doing it. If you are in 9-5 and you hate it, your focus should be on working hard/smart to get out of it asap. For some people it will take 6 months while for others it will take 6 years.

Starting your own business takes a lot of guts and responsibility. If you can't take care of yourself or your house just give up, save money, acquire property and when you have enough you can retire, work for free at a charity or do whatever the hell you want.

See >>8643880

>junior at top comp sci school
>get 20hr a week 9-5ish schedule
>arrive at office late every day
>spend at least half of the day on memeing on irc, vaping in the office with my coworkers, reading on cryptos
>spend the other half working on entertaining software projects, reading unrelated stack overflow, or learning new languages that interest me
>still get the most work done

It depends where you work but it’s most definitely not all bad. I almost feel bad when I see an unskilled wagecuck putting together my tendies basket everyday on my lunch break.. almost.

>>8648079
There is more:

3) Work 60-100 hours a week, minimum wage, and no life outside of work.

I do a 30h/week blue collar job (renovating old homes) in Germany. Ofc I don't make mad bank but it's enough to live comfy as single + I have some side jobs. Main pros are:

- I have time for hobbies, gym, learning stuff etc
- The physical work keeps me slim and fit
- I learn something that is in demand, I could start my own small company any day but that would mean less time for other things

>>8647951
Learning a skill that people want done. Every loser and their mom is trying to figure out ways to make quick bucks and every Indian and chinaman is learning to script well enough to undercut you by half. Learn something people need physically done like plumbing, phone repair, tiling, car repair. Something physical that everyone will need for the forseeable future.

>>8642354
It's different for everyone. College was awesome for me so working blows by comparison, but I got the right degrees and make six figures working from home, so I guess it's not that bad in the grand scheme of things.

90% of it is your attitude.
>congrats on graduating by the way, hope you didn't get some meme degree

>>8642540
I got a degree in Marketing and I spend 1 day in an office "job" I just had to quit
I am a CNC Machinist now and I enjoy every moment.
Whatever makes you happy