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U retard fuck
This was on deep weeb and silkroad

Fake news old news

>>8496767
but its affecting the price, shitcoins are dropping now

>bitcoin system

>>8496767
watch your language fag

Fake news.

>>8496746
everyone who's more than a janitor at the washington post needs to be tried for treason and given the highest punishment possible for that crime.

>>8496798
Kys reddit faggot

>>8497486
This.

They think it's a bull run, release the child porn fud.

>>8496767
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/markets/bitcoin-falls-as-exchange-faces-government-warning-in-japan-1.3436570?mode=amp

>Researchers from the RWTH Aachen University,Germanyfound that around 1,600 files were currently stored in bitcoin’s blockchain. Of the files least eight were of sexual content, including one thought to be an image of child abuse and two that contain 274 links to child abuse content, 142 of which link to dark web services.

>“Our analysis shows that certain content, eg, illegal pornography, can render the mere possession of a blockchain illegal,” the researchers wrote . “Although court rulings do not yet exist, legislative texts from countries such as Germany, the UK, or the USA suggest that illegal content such as [child abuse imagery] can make the blockchain illegal to possess for all users.”

fucking buttcoin pedos...... i will have many epic keks when you lose your money and go to pound me in ass prison :D

>>8496746
There was uproar about this kind of thing when the internet entered the mainstream, whatever happend to the internet? Also this news is old and stale now, do you even lurk /biz/?

>>8498529
internet content is mutable. bitcoin isn't.
the FUD is still valid

>>8496746
Well how about a hard fork for a content-moderation mechanism?

>>8497590
Faggot, from

Reddit

>>8498758
forks preserve former content.

>>8498713
So you're saying there's no cp on the internet?

>>8498725
>Journalism

>>8498758
incredible gif

A pretty elegant solution would be to use a collision attack to alter the block's content, without altering the hash. That keeps the rest of the chain valid; while mucking up the contents of the text. You'd just need majority approval by the miners...

You can do anything with a code change. You could rewrite the entire blockchain. That's the whole issue with a 51% attack.

>>8498529
>>8498788
retard

you aren't required to download cp to your computer
to run an internet browser / host a website on the net
whereas to run a BTC node you have to store and update the blockchain

yes, the article is misleading
it's not illegal to buy Bitcoin / have a wallet

but running the network is, which is the part that's threatened by this

>>8496746

I heard that people are also using AWS, Google Cloud, Dropbox, and Microsoft Azure to share cp

>>8499341

CP is not embedded in the block chain. It's a link that you have to modify the client to read, visit with a web browser, and then probably redistribute to warrant attention from police.

>>8499463
That's incorrect. Read the actual research paper. They looked at some of the images, and one of them was definitely cp. They estimate 9% of the blockchain is images, and with the blockchain sitting at 160gigs right now, that's over 15 gigs of images. I wouldn't doubt that there's video in there - they were uploading when it was cheap to do so, before the 2017 run up. This is a legit issue. Just the PR alone is bad, because you know the MSM is gonna blow this up even more for clickbait, and this is the kind of thing the government loves to use to gain control - and if there is cp in there, this needs to be dealt with. The devs who knew about it and did nothing to stop it have only themselves to blame.
Even if it wasn't true, this is the kind of rumor and fud that can cause a crypto-bank run. This is the kind of thing that can upset the herd, and cause a stampede. If the governments move to act on this, watch Bitcoin's price fall faster than the DOW on news of interest rate hikes.
You can deny it all you want, but it's real, it's out there, and nobody knows how it will play out. The blockchain is the literal heart of the whole thing, and if it's compromised, and banned, it's gonna be a God event of biblical proportions on crypto.
Go read the actual paper. I did. It's extremely technical, but the gist is, it's there, it's not hard to find, and there's a lot of it. They only looked at a sample.

>>8496746
Good, the dumb money will finally get shaken out and we can start the new bull run.

>>8499846
This is interesting. Considering that the first to pages in the playbook for getting public support to ban/regulate something are Terrorism and Protecting Kids. I always thought it would be terrorism. I didn't see how you could fud Bitcoin with protecting kids. I'm impressed; didn't see this coming.

>>8500059
Except that the cp is in there, and the government didn't plant it. Remember, before the run up, bitcoin's only use was drugs and shit on the deep web, so it's not surprising scumbag degenerate pedos were using bitcoin, too.

Keep thinking this is a plot, though, it's adorable. It's what I've come to expect from 4chan - everything is a plot here.

>>8499846
False, the paper doesn't definitely state there are cp images on there. Only that there are links

>>8500579
" Some files depict or link to “mildly pornographic content,” and two files contain 274 links to child pornography websites, the researchers found. Another file is believed to depict a nude image of a minor, the researchers said."

Didn't read the paper, huh? You really should read the paper before running your mouth over what's in it.


https://www.comsys.rwth-aachen.de/fileadmin/papers/2018/2018_matzutt_bitcoin-contents_preproceedings-version.pdf

"Illegal and Condemned Content. Bitcoin’s blockchain contains at least eight
files with sexual content. While five files only show, describe, or link to mildly
pornographic content, we consider the remaining three instances objectionable
for almost all jurisdictions: Two of them are backups of link lists to child pornography,
containing 274 links to websites, 142 of which refer to Tor hidden services.
The remaining instance is an image depicting mild nudity of a young woman.
In an online forum this image is claimed to show child pornography, albeit this
claim cannot be verified (due to ethical concerns we refrain from providing a citation).
Notably, two of the explicit images were only detected by our suspicioustransaction
detector, i.e., they were not inserted via known services."

This is polite speak for "We know it's cp, but to show the image or research it's legality puts us at legal risk".

Hey, you tried.

>>8496746
I fucking hate these lying evil cunts.

Literally just a bunch of dead web links and a single image.

Plus the image is shitty at best in quality and just a topless teen, but too blurry to tell.

>>8499846
>9% of the blockchain is images
100% bullshit

Or the images require special reconstruction to be seen as images, in which case theyre not really stored in the blockchain at all

>>8499846
5/10 FUD man seems like it could almost be legitimate

>>8500849
A single image can put you in jail and on the sex offenders list, dummy. Governments have a zero-tolerance policy for cp (as they should), and they're not going to sit there and go "Hey, it's only one image, you're good to go, Bitcoin". And, the cp is only one of the issues, copyrights are another. The paper discusses the potential hazards of the embedded data, which you'd know, if you read it.

>>8500849
>tfw its Jessie Slaughter lol
Poor girl

>>8500860
Well, since you know more than the researchers, feel free to contact them and correct them in their errors.

We'll wait.

>>8500735
>depict or link
Nice weasel words.

It's technically true even though there were no depictions, because they skate around it using "OR".

I am having sex or posting on 4chan right now.

Am I having sex?
Did I tell a lie?

>>8500903
Ah, another neckbeard chimes in.

When the government moves on this issue, remember who was running their mouth about fud, dummy.

And, if you had less neckbeard and more common sense and being able to read for comprehension, I havent said anything bad about crypto, other than this issue being the kind of bad pr that can cause bank runs.

But, you know everything, right? And shitposting snide, smug cunt comments on 4chan will magically make it all go away, right?

Because "herrrr derrr I totally memed that guy!" means something, I guess.

>>8500942
>implying they will issue a retraction when the publication of this paper is clearly politically motivated.
Nice appeal to authority btw.

>>8500995
Nobody gives a fuck about bad boomer pr here.

If some boomer jews think this will help some weak hands sell, they'll use it.

But here nobody gives a fuck. Some CP isn't convincing a single 4channer to reconsider bitcoin, blockchain, anything.

Fuck off

>>8501008
Ah yes, here comes the conspiracy tards.

I should know better than to expect rational thought on 4chan. Fine, here, this is what you want:

"BITCOIN MOONING TO 100K TOMORROW WE ALL GET LAMBOS HERRR DERRRRRR"

You TRY to help people, but they just have to run their mouths, because their autism compels them. Fucking 4chantards.

>>8501040
I thought you were a mediocre FUDfag, I see now you're just a brainlet

>>8501022
That's all you got?

LOL.

Why do I bother, when this level of autism even exists?

>>8500945
confirmed for not having read more than one sentence of the post

>>8501050
Are you the retard on the other thread who thought Papua New Guinea was in South America?

Btw if this was true coinbase would delist bitcoin immediately due to liability issues.

But they haven't. You know why? Because the paper is bullshit.

>>8500860
they store just as simple hex vlaue.

>>8501051
You're pretty shitty at this tbqhwyf. I'd recommend lurking for another few years

>>8498293

How the fuck are you gonna store images on the blockchain?

>>8501080
Shitty at what, being an asshole?

>>8501087
They are not they are storing 'illegal numbers'. Its a big nothing burger designed to scare away normies, take advantage of it.

>>8501117
you are aware that every digital file is just a series of numbers?

>>8497486
>>8497595

>>8501268
Your post is a series of 1s and 0s. If i code a tool to permute hose bits in a specific sequence, you are now guilty of possessing CP

>this is the argument they are making

>>8501312
>if I could turn your post into child porn, I would now possess child porn
no shit anon. are you feeling ok?

>>8496789
>that video

>>8501312
no, because you cant do that without actually having the cp image and thus you would just make a program that puts out the image that you have put in before...

if it would be that easy why not just make a cp board on 4chan where every image is encoded in base64? its mean its just a number... retard.

>>8498293
Lol You literal retard the link you posted is unrelated to the cp FUD.

Learn2fud you pants-crapping mongoloid

>>8501342
>>8501312
Its literally fake news anyways

https://news.bitcoin.com/no-isnt-child-porn-bitcoin-blockchain/

>>8501388
>tries to refute fake new with literal fake news

try again, nigger.

>>8501356
Yes it is? Read the quote

>>8501404
The link I posted is 100% true though

>>8501416
no its not

its talking about links while actual images were found.

>>8501356
>>8501406
you're right, second quote isn't there, can't remember where I got that one from. First quote still makes the point, though

>>8501424
Except that the OP_RETURN data is completely optional and can be pruned.

>>8501406

>y...yes, it I..is?

Jesus’s Christ you’re fucking stupid. You need to get the fuck out of here you pond scum shitstain. That article is about the binance kyc.

You need to fill out the binance KYS.
Please livestream the suicide and make it messy, I’m fapping and need to cum

>>8500579
You're an idiot. It's obviously possible, and if it's possible then you can bet your stupid fucking ass that people have done it.

LMAO, I actually raised this as a concern when I first started learning about blockchains back in 2013. And at the time everyone dismissed what I said as FUD. Funny seeing this surface again. DESU I'm surprised this news hasn't been spread out that much before because it's an obvious attack vector to delegitimize immutable blockchain tech.

>>8501472
It was probably still on your clipboard from your other 5 FUD threads. I would literally kill you if you were in front of me you valueless lowlife.

>>8501478
>Except that the OP_RETURN data is completely optional and can be pruned.

not with some serious brainpower put in. this was suggest like 3 years ago.

>>8501342
>no, because you cant do that without actually having the cp image and thus you would just make a program that puts out the image that you have put in before...
No, this is wrong. You could write a tool that brute forces the bits in your post until it produces an image.

>>8496746
Wow, first I've heard of this. Sold 100000.

Fuck me how are you cunts so THICK. If links can be encoded/embedded into blocks/addresses, then obviously images can too you literal fucking retards. It's just ones and zeros you faggots.

And people that argue that it's won't be illegal because it's encoded, that's like saying that anyone who stores CP in an encoded/encrypted form is off the hook. The law everywhere disagrees.

>>8501617
and when does it know it has found the correct image? all the necessary information about the cp would be in your tool.

>>8501513
>>8501567
are you so upset that you replied twice? are your life savings in BTC?

>>8501655
No, because its just reassembling fragments extracted from your post.

>>8498293
Where does your second quote come from? That's rubbish

>>8501684
but the order, the functions that decide how it needs to be reasonable and what exact fragments it needs is stored in your program.

>>8501646
except you have a very limited quantity of bytes to store these which is not even enough for an image header let alone a full image. elevate your troll game you unironical retard.

>>8501655
Wrong. You can have start of frame segments in the embedded data that tell a program that is scanning that its come across a certain file type and the length of the file etc. Look up image header formats, this is basic shit.

>>8501655
>and when does it know it has found the correct image?
Manual review :^)

>>8501717
80 bytes per block (OP_RETURN). With a couple of blocks/transactions you have more than enough to store images you tard. It's not prohibitive.

>>8501720
so it found an image header with broken data below it...

>>8501338
>But why male models?

>>8501712
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/20/child-abuse-imagery-bitcoin-blockchain-illegal-content

>>8496746
Anyone who doubts this is possible needs to check out http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html

This has been known for years. Stop acting like it's not possible when it's already been done and is trivial.

>>8501767
Then you are back to the argument in >>8501312

>>8501682
Are you so transparently a fudding faggot you need to continue posting this shit? If I store a bunch of file fragments on unsecured printers or in DNS caches and shit, does that mean we shut down the Internet?

>>8499846
>increasingly nervous kike tries to FUD bitcoin

>>8501842
Good luck with that argument in court.

If I hypothetically send you a password-protected zip file with CP and you keep it stored on your PC, you think they'll let you off the hook? After all the zip file is just a series of 1s and 0s and you need a tool to permute those bits so that they produce the illegal content.

By that same token anyone who stores illegal content in a ZIP file is off the hook because they need Winzip to extract the content. Hurr Durr.

>>8496746

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pizzagate-from-rumor-to-hashtag-to-gunfire-in-dc/2016/12/06/4c7def50-bbd4-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html

Are the media pro or anti pedophilia?
I cant tell.

>>8501867
Do you understand the different between something that is mutable and something that is immutable?

>>8501818

Of course it's possible. It's possible to use a bunch of different techniques to hide or disseminate illegal content. Shit, I could probably encode enough data in tripcodes. But so fucking what is the point?

This is like 1996 all over again. "Reeeeee Internet used for child porn amd terrorism". Thanks for the buying opportunities you fucktards.

>>8501943
Nice strawman.

>If I hypothetically send you a password-protected zip file with CP and you keep it stored on your PC, you think they'll let you off the hook?
Yes. You have a 16 year old's understanding of court proceedings as well as making arguments.

>>8502001
but he is right you fucking retard. Everything is just a number and gets permutated to generate content.

YES THAT'S RIGHT, SELL YOUR BTC
YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO PRISON, DO YOU?

>>8501976
The point is simple. Yes you can host illegal content on a website. Websites can be taken down and/or the offending content can be removed.

However you cannot remove it from the blockchain, and furthermore the blockchain needs to be stored in its entirety on any full nodes. Full nodes are now hosting child exploitation material which they cannot remove. Think about that.

>>8501867
Is there a way the data mentioned in this article could be removed from the blockchain, where they're encoding binary data bytes as hex, and then sending them to fake addresses?
>http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html

If it's there forever, I can see this being enough to destroy Bitcoin. In that way, your caching comparison doesn't really match up.

>>8501943
Except that a file is one thing, whereas youre arguing somebody is guilty by means of you randomly assembling an arbitrary series of 80-byte op_returns

>>8502017
And I do not think you can read.

>>8502052
Look it's kind of like running a TOR exit node. You're putting yourself at risk, even if you have plausible deniability.

>>8502071
you reasoning ist just awful.

>>8501974

Do you understand how little that matters in this context? You think there aren't already ways of ensuring that data can't be scrubbed? Shit, steganography and the wonders of encoding is the real story here - how about I release a bunch of CP, XOR it with some noise and encode the output inside Buzzfeed clickbait? Math is the the problem. You gonna ban Math?

Or fuck - if I was a sufficiently rich Whale, place massive buy and sell orders (encoding binary) and use some market as a form of store kek. Actually, you wouldn't need to be that rich - find some low volume low market cap shitcoin to dp it with. Why the fuck not?

>>8496797
bitcoin's system, aka bitcoin's blockchain you dumb reddtr

>>8502044

Yep. Pruning. This has already been mentioned.

Of course, doing this with something like Ethereum is even easier and afaik impossible to scrub. How about humanity grows the fuck up and stops worrying about this bullshit? Arrest those in possession of the reconstructed fragments or who made it in the first place. Too late now baby, horse is thoroughly out of the stable.

>>8502191
>how about I release a bunch of CP, XOR it with some noise and encode the output inside Buzzfeed clickbait? Math is the the problem. You gonna ban Math?

so you basically just put a password protected / ecrypted file there?

dude... if it would be that easy everyone would do it and would get of the hook while happly sapmming cp everywhere.

>>8502288
my understanding of pruning was that it's a feature that stops your node from downloading unnecessary data, it doesn't mean that the data is unavailable on the blockchain. I thought that the fake transactions, that are being used to contain encoded photos, are still on the blockchain, and will be there forever, because they're still part of a block. Am I wrong about that?

>>8496746
You don't say?

Normies will believe this

>>8501974
And this is why illegal numbers are a bullshit idea. The immutability of the blockchain is more important than stopping people from putting obscure links to child porn on the internet, especially since they were already doing that before crypto without much issue.
They don't fucking care about the CP. They want to sabotage Bitcoin and by extension all decentralized cryptocurrencies. They want to put a jew in charge who can censor whatever they don't like.

>>8502572
>And this is why illegal numbers are a bullshit idea.

but its the reality buddy...

>>8498293

>irishtimes
i legit just laughed my ass off at that

>>8502572
That's all it is. Taking down bitcoin is the number 1 objective of the elite and shadow government. Same government that has politicians who own CP themselves. Bill Clinton and John Podesta on their flights of fantasy with children. They never got much attention. Pizzagate. They just let these slide.

>>8498293
>>Our analysis shows that certain content, eg, illegal pornography, can render the mere possession of a blockchain illegal
Better go arrest those researchers at the university

>>8502766
or close all nodes and make take bitcoin take a nose dive

>>8500937
Did you ever see her blown out snatch?

pic related

well fellas, if that headline doesnt get BTC a sell rating by tomorrow evening then absolutely nothing will.

>>8501022
>>8501051

>>8498423
nobody runs full nodes tho.

>>8499341
nobody runs full nodes except servers and pools. everyone else uses light wallets like electrum